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Reply #480 posted 01/11/11 4:18pm

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LOS ANGELES – A judge on Tuesday ordered the personal physician of Michael Jackson to stand trial for involuntary manslaughter after hearing testimony that he administered a lethal dose of a powerful anesthetic and other sedatives then left the pop star alone.

The ruling in the case against Houston cardiologist Dr. Conrad Murray came after a six-day preliminary hearing before Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor.

Prosecutors concluded their case with testimony from two doctors who said Murray acted outside the standard of medical care when he administered the propofol then failed to provide proper care.

Both witnesses said that even if Jackson had self-administered the final dose of the drug, his death would be a homicide because of Murray's actions.

Murray, 57, has pleaded not guilty, and his attorneys have said he did not give Jackson anything that should have killed him. Murray could face up to four years in prison if tried and convicted.

During closing arguments at the hearing, Murray's defense attorney, Joseph Low IV, argued the case should be dismissed because prosecutors didn't adequately prove how Murray caused Jackson's death. He also said Jackson's health may have been a contributing cause.

"In contrast to Mr. Low's comment, let me just say, it was not Michael Jackson's time to go," Deputy District Attorney David Walgren said. "Because of Dr. Murray's actions, Michael's children are left without a father."

During the hearing, prosecutors built a timeline of Jackson's final hours and Murray's actions, suggesting the singer died because of Murray's gross negligence.

Though many details were previously revealed in court filings and accounts from law enforcement officials, the hearing featured new disclosures and compelling moments such as Jackson's burly former bodyguard choking back tears as he recalled the two oldest Jackson children watching their father in his death throes.

The guard, Alberto Alvarez, said daughter Paris fell to the ground crying out, "Daddy!" before Alvarez led them from the room.

Jackson's mother, Katherine, seated in the courtroom, dabbed at her eyes during the testimony.

The famous Jackson siblings — Janet, Jackie, LaToya, Randy and Rebbie — were present every day along with their parents.

Alvarez also testified that Murray instructed him to place medicine vials in bags before calling 911 on the day Jackson died.

Police Detective Orlando Martinez said Murray told him he found Jackson not breathing just after 11 a.m. on June 25, 2009. Phone records showed 911 was not called until 12:21 p.m.

Paramedics and an emergency room doctor all testified that they thought Jackson died in his bedroom, before he was transported to a hospital where Murray insisted resuscitation efforts continue.

The medical personnel also said Murray didn't tell them he had given Jackson propofol, which is normally administered in hospital settings.

Using phone records and testimony from Murray's current and former girlfriends, prosecutors also showed the doctor was on the phone before and after he gave Jackson the lethal dose of propofol and sedatives.

Martinez testified about the timeline Murray laid out in a nearly three-hour interview with police two days after Jackson died.

Murray described a nearly 10-hour ordeal of trying to get Jackson to sleep, giving him a valium pill and two other sedatives intravenously before yielding to the singer's demands for propofol.

Jackson called the anesthetic his "milk," and coroner's investigators later found several vials of it in a bag labeled "Baby Essentials" in Jackson's closet.

Martinez said Jackson told Murray if he couldn't get sleep, he might have to cancel his widely heralded "This is It" comeback tour. The doctor spoke of feeling pressured to give the star the propofol he wanted, the detective said.

Defense attorneys rarely call witnesses or present their own theories during preliminary hearings, which have a lower standard of proof than criminal trials.

But lawyers for Murray did reveal possible trial strategies while questioning witnesses.

Defense attorney Ed Chernoff challenged Alvarez's recollection of events in Jackson's bedroom but stopped short of asking if there was enough time for him to do everything he said he did before dialing 911.

Another defense attorney, J. Michael Flanagan, quizzed a coroner's investigator about whether a syringe and an empty vial of propofol found under a table next to Jackson's bed, were within reach of the singer.

The judge barred an answer after a prosecutor objected.

Under Chernoff's questioning, Martinez said Murray recalled Jackson asking to self-administer propofol. Prosecutors said they expect the defense to claim Jackson administered the deadly dose himself while Murray was out of the room.

The testimony painted a troubled portrait of a singer who had grown more reclusive since his 2005 acquittal on child molestation charges. He was plagued by insomnia, and the choreographer of his show said he seemed ill and "lost" a few days before the final rehearsals but rallied to do "fabulous" work in the final two days

Jackson had been receiving propofol intravenously six nights a week for the two months before his death, Murray told detectives.

When Alvarez and paramedics arrived at the singer's bedroom, they were surprised to find the 136-pound singer wearing a surgical cap and urinary catheter. Far from looking like a pop superstar about to embark on a 50-concert tour, Jackson seemed more like a hospice patient, one paramedic said.

Jackson's family and fans have contended the doctor should be tried for murder. During the hearing, a plane flew over the courthouse trailing a banner with Jackson's image that read, "Change the Charge to Murder."

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Reply #481 posted 01/11/11 4:20pm

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"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #482 posted 01/11/11 4:31pm

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Trials and Tribulations unedited draft updates

Christpher Rogers

- LA coroner. Employed since 1988 as a forensic pathologist

- He performed the autopsy on MJ.

- Findings : MJ's overall health was excellent.

- MJ had prostate issue; vitillago, polop of the colon, inflammation and scaring of his lungs, and also had some arthritis of the spine.

- MJ was 5’ 9” and 136 pounds. His BMI (body mass index) 20.1. It falls to the thin side of normal weight.

- MJ did not have any abnormalities of the heart and he did not have any atherosclerosis. He did not have any cardiac disease.

- There was no trauma or any natural disease that caused his death.

- They decided it was homicide based on the info they have and substandard care given to MJ.

- Cross-examination : Rogers say that situation doesn’t support self administration of self treatment of propofol and there were no factors inconsistent with his conclusions.

- Cross-examination : Rogers is asked hypothetically if MJ ingested propofol and lydocaine himself would it still be considered homicide. Rogers answer is that it would still be homicide based on the medical care - the fact that there was propofol in a house setting and there was no preparation for adverse effects.

- Question about self administration : The IV catheter was in the left leg a little bit above the knee. Rogers mentions it's hard to reach and in order of MJ to inject himself it would require the doctor to stop medication, leave the room, MJ wake up and gain the necessary awareness to press /push propofol.

- Cross - examination : Oral digestion. Rogers say it's possible to orally digest propofol but doesn't think that's the case here as the amount in the stomach is so small.

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Reply #483 posted 01/11/11 4:48pm

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Prostrate issue - wonder if this is related to the urinary catheter?

Scarring of the lungs is interesting. I wonder what could have caused that?

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Reply #484 posted 01/11/11 4:58pm

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Militant said:

Prostrate issue - wonder if this is related to the urinary catheter?

Scarring of the lungs is interesting. I wonder what could have caused that?

I read it was the usual prostate issues that men his age have. He had medication for it if I remember correctly

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Reply #485 posted 01/11/11 5:11pm

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bboy87 said:

Trials and Tribulations unedited draft updates

Christpher Rogers

- LA coroner. Employed since 1988 as a forensic pathologist

- He performed the autopsy on MJ.

- Findings : MJ's overall health was excellent.

- MJ had prostate issue; vitillago, polop of the colon, inflammation and scaring of his lungs, and also had some arthritis of the spine.

- MJ was 5’ 9” and 136 pounds. His BMI (body mass index) 20.1. It falls to the thin side of normal weight.

- MJ did not have any abnormalities of the heart and he did not have any atherosclerosis. He did not have any cardiac disease.

- There was no trauma or any natural disease that caused his death.

- They decided it was homicide based on the info they have and substandard care given to MJ.

- Cross-examination : Rogers say that situation doesn’t support self administration of self treatment of propofol and there were no factors inconsistent with his conclusions.

- Cross-examination : Rogers is asked hypothetically if MJ ingested propofol and lydocaine himself would it still be considered homicide. Rogers answer is that it would still be homicide based on the medical care - the fact that there was propofol in a house setting and there was no preparation for adverse effects.

- Question about self administration : The IV catheter was in the left leg a little bit above the knee. Rogers mentions it's hard to reach and in order of MJ to inject himself it would require the doctor to stop medication, leave the room, MJ wake up and gain the necessary awareness to press /push propofol.

- Cross - examination : Oral digestion. Rogers say it's possible to orally digest propofol but doesn't think that's the case here as the amount in the stomach is so small.

i notice that the defense didn't try to raise the issue of drug addiction with the coroner today. they tried to allude to that yesterday. i really don't understand how they think that makes their client look good - are they admitting that murray suspected mj was an addict and STILL continued to give him drugs? that is playing right into the prosecution's hands in painting him as reckless and negligent. i'm so sad right now.
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Reply #486 posted 01/11/11 5:18pm

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About time this went to trial. Now...let's bring on the conviction...popcorn

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Reply #487 posted 01/11/11 5:38pm

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Nikademus said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I dunno if it was intentional or not, but I've always thought this song sounded a LOT like "Lovely One'"

.wrong song title edit duh

[Edited 1/10/11 22:35pm]

Here is another track written and produced by Marlon.

PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
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Live Your Life How U Wanna Live It
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Reply #488 posted 01/11/11 5:46pm

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A Tito Jackson production

PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
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Reply #489 posted 01/11/11 7:43pm

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Militant said:

Prostrate issue - wonder if this is related to the urinary catheter?

Scarring of the lungs is interesting. I wonder what could have caused that?

It's the inflammation of lungs. He suffers from Lupus (which is an autoimmune disease that can occur with vitiligo).

"If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with" - Michael Jackson
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Reply #490 posted 01/11/11 8:12pm

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MyLuv229 said:

Militant said:

Prostrate issue - wonder if this is related to the urinary catheter?

Scarring of the lungs is interesting. I wonder what could have caused that?

It's the inflammation of lungs. He suffers from Lupus (which is an autoimmune disease that can occur with vitiligo).

He said in his autobiography "Moonwalk" that he suffered from pleurisy. Therefore, he's always had and issue with his lungs.

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Reply #491 posted 01/12/11 8:36am

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Militant said:

Prostrate issue - wonder if this is related to the urinary catheter?

Scarring of the lungs is interesting. I wonder what could have caused that?

I think the urinary catheter was for when he was put under the propofol.
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Reply #492 posted 01/12/11 9:54am

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When was HIStory: Past, Present, and Future really released in America?

Wikipedia says Friday the 16th but Amazon says Tuesday the 20th.

Was the US release date still Tuesday back in 1995?

I remember losing a tooth the night before it was released, and the next morning,

it was under my pillow. I just don't remember what day of the week that morning

would have been. Can anyone give me a definite answer?

Damn 95 was a good year for me as far

as pop culture was concerned....MJ's new album, Batman Forever and Power Rangers

the movie all came out that summer.

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Reply #493 posted 01/12/11 10:10am

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #494 posted 01/12/11 12:41pm

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #495 posted 01/12/11 1:01pm

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Vanilli said:

When was HIStory: Past, Present, and Future really released in America?

Wikipedia says Friday the 16th but Amazon says Tuesday the 20th.

Was the US release date still Tuesday back in 1995?

It was released on friday the 20th in Europe and tuesday the 20th in the US! Yep, albums were always released on tuesday in the US.

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Reply #496 posted 01/12/11 6:07pm

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"If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with" - Michael Jackson
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Reply #497 posted 01/12/11 6:24pm

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Awesome story today.

Me and a coworker were coming back from lunch, and what do we see? There is a BuM walkin down the street, but what is he singing, he's sing "I Found That Girl!" I ask my coworker do you know what he's singing? I tell her, it's a J5 song, haha.

Awesome.

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Reply #498 posted 01/12/11 6:31pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Awesome story today.

Me and a coworker were coming back from lunch, and what do we see? There is a BuM walkin down the street, but what is he singing, he's sing "I Found That Girl!" I ask my coworker do you know what he's singing? I tell her, it's a J5 song, haha.

Awesome.

thumbs up! biggrin

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Reply #499 posted 01/12/11 6:33pm

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SherryJackson said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Awesome story today.

Me and a coworker were coming back from lunch, and what do we see? There is a BuM walkin down the street, but what is he singing, he's sing "I Found That Girl!" I ask my coworker do you know what he's singing? I tell her, it's a J5 song, haha.

Awesome.

thumbs up! biggrin

He was singing the whole song, not just the chorus.

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Reply #500 posted 01/12/11 6:55pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

SherryJackson said:

thumbs up! biggrin

He was singing the whole song, not just the chorus.

I love moments like that....make me smile wide.

Had one similar when I was getting certified in First Aid and CPR. The dummy we practiced on was named Annie. And when we "discover" Annie, we're supposed to say "Annie are you okay, tell me you're okay". I laughed so hard cuz the whole class was saying that.....and obviously didn't get the double entente there. They were all starin'...who cares. That was a priceless Smooth Criminal moment...lol

For those curious....Annie is now alright. cool

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Reply #501 posted 01/12/11 6:59pm

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SherryJackson said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

He was singing the whole song, not just the chorus.

I love moments like that....make me smile wide.

Had one similar when I was getting certified in First Aid and CPR. The dummy we practiced on was named Annie. And when we "discover" Annie, we're supposed to say "Annie are you okay, tell me you're okay". I laughed so hard cuz the whole class was saying that.....and obviously didn't get the double entente there. They were all starin'...who cares. That was a priceless Smooth Criminal moment...lol

For those curious....Annie is now alright. cool

That's awesome! lol

"If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with" - Michael Jackson
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Reply #502 posted 01/12/11 7:34pm

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[img:$uid]http://i.imgur.com/V6pB7.jpg[/img:$uid]

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Reply #503 posted 01/12/11 8:47pm

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Has anybody purchases that book that Katherine was selling, Never Can Say Goodbye.

[img:$uid]http://extratv.warnerbros.com/images/news/0622/mj-book.jpg[/img:$uid]

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Reply #504 posted 01/12/11 11:01pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Has anybody purchases that book that Katherine was selling, Never Can Say Goodbye.

[img:$uid]http://extratv.warnerbros.com/images/news/0622/mj-book.jpg[/img:$uid]

Yes I got it. It's a nice book to have but has a few glaring typos and from memory has my pet peeve of "Billy Jean" in it.

Nice pics though.

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Reply #505 posted 01/13/11 4:46am

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Vanilli said:

When was HIStory: Past, Present, and Future really released in America?

Wikipedia says Friday the 16th but Amazon says Tuesday the 20th.

Was the US release date still Tuesday back in 1995?

I remember losing a tooth the night before it was released, and the next morning,

it was under my pillow. I just don't remember what day of the week that morning

would have been. Can anyone give me a definite answer?

Damn 95 was a good year for me as far

as pop culture was concerned....MJ's new album, Batman Forever and Power Rangers

the movie all came out that summer.

awww the tooth thing sounds soooo cute and getting the album smile that summer was so great for me too, it was all about music, baby sitters club and it's movie and goosebumps books. CrazySexyCool was my favourite album, but I didn't have HIStory yet though I loved mj and was rediscovering him during HIStory era and falling in love when before that I liked him if he was played or if I didn't realize it was his song. But I was blown away by that awesome, freaking amazing Scream video and went nuts over it.

[Edited 1/13/11 4:48am]

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Reply #506 posted 01/13/11 8:05am

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Militant said:

Prostrate issue - wonder if this is related to the urinary catheter?

Scarring of the lungs is interesting. I wonder what could have caused that?

It is well known that Michael had a collapsed lung, and lupus which can attack any organ in the body.

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Reply #507 posted 01/13/11 9:18am

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sag10 said:

Militant said:

Prostrate issue - wonder if this is related to the urinary catheter?

Scarring of the lungs is interesting. I wonder what could have caused that?

It is well known that Michael had a collapsed lung, and lupus which can attack any organ in the body.

I'm a little ignorant about what exactly Lupus does to the body. I didn't know it would have caused lung scarring. I really know very little about it.

I think I read something before about the collapsed lung, but can anyone refresh my memory?

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Reply #508 posted 01/13/11 9:21am

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #509 posted 01/13/11 9:22am

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Militant said:

Prostrate issue - wonder if this is related to the urinary catheter?

Scarring of the lungs is interesting. I wonder what could have caused that?

It is well known that Michael had a collapsed lung, and lupus which can attack any organ in the body.

nod sad

It's a deadly disease. Vitiligo scars you but there's no affect on your health (which is quite incredible though it doesn't help with your melanin being destroyed).

Michael's lupus ailment was not at a heightened awareness when he died though.

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