I went to this show.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Does ANYONE have the clip from The Jacksons cartoon where "Maybe Tomorrow" played? The visuals were just beautiful to me (I know it's weird) But I cant find it on Youtube anymore

NVM! FOund it!

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That was so much fun to watch! Thanks for finding it

Swa said:

kibbles said:

i'm sorry, but reading the blow by blow accounts that have been coming out of the prelim, i believe it ultimately was intentional. initially, murray gave him the propofol, and although he wasn't paying attention to mj, he didn't think or intend for mj to go into distress. HOWEVER, once it was clear that mj was in distress, he *intentionally* waiting 20 minutes before he decided to have the security guard call 911. he *intentionally* lied to the emts upon their arrival, and the doctors as well. he *intended* to get back into the house to discard the evidence, but the security wouldn't let him. none of those acts are unintentional.

I get where you are coming from but I think the situation went like this.

Dr Murray had been putting MJ to "sleep" with propofol on and off for some time. It probably became the routine "last resort" for MJ to get some rest and as such sadly Dr Murray became lax in his care.

That morning he probably went about his business as he had done time and time before stepping out now and then and thinking nothing of it because nothing had gone wrong in the past. Then upon discovering MJ in distress/dead he panicked - plain and simple. "Oh $h!t - what's happened...." and then he probably frantically tried to revive MJ then call for help, then cover up the mess. Then he went into survival mode by not telling the emts what drugs he had administered etc.

All of these acts are negligent but I don't think he intentionally discovered MJ was dead and then thought "hey i'll just chill for 20 minutes then get some help". It's clear by his actions that once the scene was beyond his control he went about protecting his own ass.

But sadly by that stage all was too late. And it's the acts that lead to the death of Michael that ultimately Murray will be convicted on. His actions post MJ's death - the delayed 911 call, the withholding of information etc all are signs of his personality and his own guilt.

have you been listening to prelim testimony at all? because that's basically what he did. on the 911 call, alvarez the security guard is heard to say that 20 min. had elapsed before murray had him call, and he testified in that entire time murray never administered any type of consistent life saving methods to keep mj alive. he sporadically beat on mj's chest with one hand, and during mouth to mouth, only breathed into mj's mouth twice. the phone records show that he was talking to his mistress who overheard murray talking to mj who was coughing, and likely in distress, but instead of calling 911 immediately, murray started immediately to cover his ass - as mj lay dying.

on another board there are several links to blogs from those inside the courtroom reporting on the testimony. one blogger reported on the number of lawyers discussing the case who are placing bets on the charges being refiled to murder 2.

kibbles said:

Swa said:

I get where you are coming from but I think the situation went like this.

Dr Murray had been putting MJ to "sleep" with propofol on and off for some time. It probably became the routine "last resort" for MJ to get some rest and as such sadly Dr Murray became lax in his care.

That morning he probably went about his business as he had done time and time before stepping out now and then and thinking nothing of it because nothing had gone wrong in the past. Then upon discovering MJ in distress/dead he panicked - plain and simple. "Oh $h!t - what's happened...." and then he probably frantically tried to revive MJ then call for help, then cover up the mess. Then he went into survival mode by not telling the emts what drugs he had administered etc.

All of these acts are negligent but I don't think he intentionally discovered MJ was dead and then thought "hey i'll just chill for 20 minutes then get some help". It's clear by his actions that once the scene was beyond his control he went about protecting his own ass.

But sadly by that stage all was too late. And it's the acts that lead to the death of Michael that ultimately Murray will be convicted on. His actions post MJ's death - the delayed 911 call, the withholding of information etc all are signs of his personality and his own guilt.

have you been listening to prelim testimony at all? because that's basically what he did. on the 911 call, alvarez the security guard is heard to say that 20 min. had elapsed before murray had him call, and he testified in that entire time murray never administered any type of consistent life saving methods to keep mj alive. he sporadically beat on mj's chest with one hand, and during mouth to mouth, only breathed into mj's mouth twice. the phone records show that he was talking to his mistress who overheard murray talking to mj who was coughing, and likely in distress, but instead of calling 911 immediately, murray started immediately to cover his ass - as mj lay dying.

on another board there are several links to blogs from those inside the courtroom reporting on the testimony. one blogger reported on the number of lawyers discussing the case who are placing bets on the charges being refiled to murder 2.

Just to be accurate - the girlfriend of murray said she heard coughing and talking - she didn't say she heard Michael coughing.

And Kibbles I'm not arguing with you that Murray was negligent - that is beyond reproach - I'm just saying that the legal system will look at his actions leading up to the death - and those actions aren't intentional - he didn't set out to kill him thus the charges being involuntary manslaughter.

All the talk of concerts had me thinking back to seeing MJ live here in Australia

BAD - I saw the BAD tour in 87 - a truly phenomenal show.

Dangerous - Was first in line for tickets for Dangerous and on the morning they were due to go on sale the shows and tour were cancelled.

History Tour - Melbourne x2 Sydney x 2 plus GHOST premier in Sydney

THIS IS IT - Tickets for 2 shows for Feb 10 - the tour that never was.

Great shows - great energy and I'm glad I got to see those shows first hand.

As much as I was sad about losing him period and so sad for his family, I could not bear the thought of him being cut off from me forever, cause I NEVER got a chance to see him at a all and I was going to go for 2 London shows in September 2009 and I was sooo sure all these years my wish would come true. I feel like I got everything I wanted in life accomplished and I saw all the celebs I really like, but the one thing I wished for the most soooooo badly was taken from us and though I know it sounds selfish, I could not handle it and realized what a spoiled brat I was, feeling like the rug was pulled from under me, and I reacted really badly, blaming different people everyday for my desire being crushed. Obviously I had other issues that were making me act this way, but when your life has been chaotic for years and you got high off seeing him someday and that being taken away, it's very hard but I've finally adjusted.

Swa said:

All the talk of concerts had me thinking back to seeing MJ live here in Australia

BAD - I saw the BAD tour in 87 - a truly phenomenal show.

Dangerous - Was first in line for tickets for Dangerous and on the morning they were due to go on sale the shows and tour were cancelled.

History Tour - Melbourne x2 Sydney x 2 plus GHOST premier in Sydney

THIS IS IT - Tickets for 2 shows for Feb 10 - the tour that never was.

Great shows - great energy and I'm glad I got to see those shows first hand.

Wow. You must have great memories!

Michael was not some idiot, to let some good for nothing Doctor pump him up with propofol. He has been surrounded by enough sharks and got used to dealing it with handling himself around those sorts of people ever since 1993 and 2005 allegations popped up.

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bboy, tell me more about the Decade album(s) that was shelved in 1989 than again in 1990? From the description, the Decade album would later be released as HIStory in 1995 yet, Dangerous was put out before ...

Another Greast Hiits from 1993.

Discs will fall like autumn leaves

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

bboy, tell me more about the Decade album(s) that was shelved in 1989 than again in 1990? From the description, the Decade album would later be released as HIStory in 1995 yet, Dangerous was put out before ...

Michael Jackson's hits LP due in fall Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - ProQuest Archiver - Mar 29, 1990 Michael Jackson's highly anticipated greatesthits album featuring his 1980s singles finally will be released this fall after almost a year's delay ... Related web pages

Illegal LP catches Jackson `Live' Pay-Per-View - USA TODAY - ProQuest Archiver - Dec 7, 1990 The new Michael Jackson record is out It's live it's a double album it's packed ... for product from Michael His Decade albuma greatest hits compilation has ..

Another Greast Hiits from 1993.

Discs will fall like autumn leaves

Pay-Per-View - Toronto Star - ProQuest Archiver - Aug 21, 1993
The Gloved One Michael Jackson is expected to moonwalk with a greatest hits package Oct 26 which will included some previously unreleased tracks ...

TOP 40 BAND HITS BOTTOM W... SEX SCENE

Pay-Per-View - South Florida Sun - Sentinel - ProQuest Archiver - Aug 20, 1993
... $25.75 and $21.75 Also new at Sunrise David Crosby and Graham Nash performing Sept 19 Michael Jackson is readying a greatesthits set for December Makes a ...

[Edited 1/8/11 23:16pm]

[Edited 1/8/11 23:17pm]

I guess this all ended up being HIStory didn't it?

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MyLuv229 said:

NMuzakNSoul said:

I'm sorry you didn't get to see Michael in person. It's definitely an event. I would've went to the Bad Tour In Rotterdam but I was too little...My uncle did go and said it was great.

When you gonna see Stevie and Sade? Love them. I've seen Stevie three times now. Lucky huh.

I haven't purchased tickets yet, but they're on my list. Sade is performing next summer, but I have no one to go with me. No one is willing to pay good seat $ to see her.

I am also going to see Sade this year. I don´t have the ticket yet, but I am definately going.

I was at this show attended by 150 000 people.

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^ thanks for sharing that, nice clip, but I just burst into tears watching all those fans react to him :*(

LittleBLUECorvette said:

bboy, tell me more about the Decade album(s) that was shelved in 1989 than again in 1990? From the description, the Decade album would later be released as HIStory in 1995 yet, Dangerous was put out before ...

Michael Jackson's hits LP due in fall Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - ProQuest Archiver - Mar 29, 1990 Michael Jackson's highly anticipated greatesthits album featuring his 1980s singles finally will be released this fall after almost a year's delay ... Related web pages

Illegal LP catches Jackson `Live' Pay-Per-View - USA TODAY - ProQuest Archiver - Dec 7, 1990 The new Michael Jackson record is out It's live it's a double album it's packed ... for product from Michael His Decade albuma greatest hits compilation has ..

Another Greast Hiits from 1993.

Discs will fall like autumn leaves

Pay-Per-View - Toronto Star - ProQuest Archiver - Aug 21, 1993
The Gloved One Michael Jackson is expected to moonwalk with a greatest hits package Oct 26 which will included some previously unreleased tracks ...

TOP 40 BAND HITS BOTTOM W... SEX SCENE

Pay-Per-View - South Florida Sun - Sentinel - ProQuest Archiver - Aug 20, 1993
... $25.75 and $21.75 Also new at Sunrise David Crosby and Graham Nash performing Sept 19 Michael Jackson is readying a greatesthits set for December Makes a ...

[Edited 1/8/11 23:16pm]

[Edited 1/8/11 23:17pm]

Now, THIS ^^ is the work of a true MJJVaulter

The hits that were to be included were

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Rock With You

Off The Wall

She's Out Of My Life

Heartbreak Hotel

The Girl Is Mine

Billie Jean

Beat It

Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'

Say Say Say

Human Nature

PYT

Thriller

State Of Shock

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Man In The Mirror

Dirty Diana

Another Part Of Me

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Liberian Girl

the songs that were considered:

Little Susie

Earth Song

Come Together

Strawberry Fields Forever

Gone Too Soon

Heal The World

Will You Be There

Who Is It

I'll Be There '89

Never Can Say Goodbye '89

Man In Black (possibly)

Black Or White

I read that he also re-recorded The Love You Save on Jacksonvillage.org but I haven't found anything to prove that

alphastreet said:

^ thanks for sharing that, nice clip, but I just burst into tears watching all those fans react to him :*(

I remember when he got onstage, people were screaming so loud that we couldn´t hear what song he was playing even though we could feel the bass in our chest and we were quite far from the stage.

Swa said:

All the talk of concerts had me thinking back to seeing MJ live here in Australia

BAD - I saw the BAD tour in 87 - a truly phenomenal show.

Dangerous - Was first in line for tickets for Dangerous and on the morning they were due to go on sale the shows and tour were cancelled.

History Tour - Melbourne x2 Sydney x 2 plus GHOST premier in Sydney

THIS IS IT - Tickets for 2 shows for Feb 10 - the tour that never was.

Great shows - great energy and I'm glad I got to see those shows first hand.

Did you see the "Bad" show Stevie Wonder was at?

dag said:

alphastreet said:

^ thanks for sharing that, nice clip, but I just burst into tears watching all those fans react to him :*(

I remember when he got onstage, people were screaming so loud that we couldn´t hear what song he was playing even though we could feel the bass in our chest and we were quite far from the stage.

so lucky! I would watch clips of the tour on ET and try to find out when it's coming to Canada

bboy87 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

bboy, tell me more about the Decade album(s) that was shelved in 1989 than again in 1990? From the description, the Decade album would later be released as HIStory in 1995 yet, Dangerous was put out before ...

Michael Jackson's hits LP due in fall Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - ProQuest Archiver - Mar 29, 1990 Michael Jackson's highly anticipated greatesthits album featuring his 1980s singles finally will be released this fall after almost a year's delay ... Related web pages

Illegal LP catches Jackson `Live' Pay-Per-View - USA TODAY - ProQuest Archiver - Dec 7, 1990 The new Michael Jackson record is out It's live it's a double album it's packed ... for product from Michael His Decade albuma greatest hits compilation has ..

Another Greast Hiits from 1993.

Discs will fall like autumn leaves

Pay-Per-View - Toronto Star - ProQuest Archiver - Aug 21, 1993
The Gloved One Michael Jackson is expected to moonwalk with a greatest hits package Oct 26 which will included some previously unreleased tracks ...

TOP 40 BAND HITS BOTTOM W... SEX SCENE

Pay-Per-View - South Florida Sun - Sentinel - ProQuest Archiver - Aug 20, 1993
... $25.75 and $21.75 Also new at Sunrise David Crosby and Graham Nash performing Sept 19 Michael Jackson is readying a greatesthits set for December Makes a ...

[Edited 1/8/11 23:16pm]

[Edited 1/8/11 23:17pm]

Now, THIS ^^ is the work of a true MJJVaulter

The hits that were to be included were

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Rock With You

Off The Wall

She's Out Of My Life

Heartbreak Hotel

The Girl Is Mine

Billie Jean

Beat It

Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'

Say Say Say

Human Nature

PYT

Thriller

State Of Shock

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Man In The Mirror

Dirty Diana

Another Part Of Me

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Liberian Girl

the songs that were considered:

Little Susie

Earth Song

Come Together

Strawberry Fields Forever

Gone Too Soon

Heal The World

Will You Be There

Who Is It

I'll Be There '89

Never Can Say Goodbye '89

Man In Black (possibly)

Black Or White

I read that he also re-recorded The Love You Save on Jacksonvillage.org but I haven't found anything to prove that

I would've loved to have this. But Strawberry Fields Forever? What the heck?

smoothcriminal12 said:

I would've loved to have this. But Strawberry Fields Forever? What the heck?

Yep. Right after MJ bought The Beatles catalog, the two song he decided to record his own versions of, were "Come Together" and "Strawberry Fields Forever", but the latter remains unreleased. Hopefully it comes out one day.

alphastreet said:

dag said:

I remember when he got onstage, people were screaming so loud that we couldn´t hear what song he was playing even though we could feel the bass in our chest and we were quite far from the stage.

so lucky! I would watch clips of the tour on ET and try to find out when it's coming to Canada

Yeah, the atmosphere was great. But I was really so far from the stage. All I could see was this little gold thing moving somewhere on the stage. But I saw him in front of the hotel before the show, but only for a few seconds. I´ll never forget his scared eyes.

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dag said:

alphastreet said:

so lucky! I would watch clips of the tour on ET and try to find out when it's coming to Canada

Yeah, the atmosphere was great. But I was really so far from the stage. All I could see was this little gold thing moving somewhere on the stage. But I saw him in front of the hotel before the show, but only for a few seconds. I´ll never forget his scared eyes.

Why did he have scared eyes? I'm guessing he was about to get mob maybe...?

MyLuv229 said:

dag said:

Yeah, the atmosphere was great. But I was really so far from the stage. All I could see was this little gold thing moving somewhere on the stage. But I saw him in front of the hotel before the show, but only for a few seconds. I´ll never forget his scared eyes.

Why did he have scared eyes? I'm guessing he was about to get mob maybe...?

I don´t know. He just looked scared. I guess because there were still too many fans and not so many bodyguards.

dag said:

MyLuv229 said:

Why did he have scared eyes? I'm guessing he was about to get mob maybe...?

I don´t know. He just looked scared. I guess because there were still too many fans and not so many bodyguards.

LOL I wish a pic was released of this. I've seen footage where there's an insane crowd of fans and he always had this nonchalant look like "I got this"

bboy87 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

bboy, tell me more about the Decade album(s) that was shelved in 1989 than again in 1990? From the description, the Decade album would later be released as HIStory in 1995 yet, Dangerous was put out before ...

Michael Jackson's hits LP due in fall Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - ProQuest Archiver - Mar 29, 1990 Michael Jackson's highly anticipated greatesthits album featuring his 1980s singles finally will be released this fall after almost a year's delay ... Related web pages

Illegal LP catches Jackson `Live' Pay-Per-View - USA TODAY - ProQuest Archiver - Dec 7, 1990 The new Michael Jackson record is out It's live it's a double album it's packed ... for product from Michael His Decade albuma greatest hits compilation has ..

Another Greast Hiits from 1993.

Discs will fall like autumn leaves

Pay-Per-View - Toronto Star - ProQuest Archiver - Aug 21, 1993
The Gloved One Michael Jackson is expected to moonwalk with a greatest hits package Oct 26 which will included some previously unreleased tracks ...

TOP 40 BAND HITS BOTTOM W... SEX SCENE

Pay-Per-View - South Florida Sun - Sentinel - ProQuest Archiver - Aug 20, 1993
... $25.75 and $21.75 Also new at Sunrise David Crosby and Graham Nash performing Sept 19 Michael Jackson is readying a greatesthits set for December Makes a ...

[Edited 1/8/11 23:16pm]

[Edited 1/8/11 23:17pm]

Now, THIS ^^ is the work of a true MJJVaulter

The hits that were to be included were

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Rock With You

Off The Wall

She's Out Of My Life

Heartbreak Hotel

The Girl Is Mine

Billie Jean

Beat It

Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'

Say Say Say

Human Nature

PYT

Thriller

State Of Shock

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Man In The Mirror

Dirty Diana

Another Part Of Me

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Liberian Girl

the songs that were considered:

Little Susie

Earth Song

Come Together

Strawberry Fields Forever

Gone Too Soon

Heal The World

Will You Be There

Who Is It

I'll Be There '89

Never Can Say Goodbye '89

Man In Black (possibly)

Black Or White

I read that he also re-recorded The Love You Save on Jacksonvillage.org but I haven't found anything to prove that

dag said:

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Katherine Hepburn said he had a nice butt. She ain't lied

angel345 said:

dag said:

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Katherine Hepburn said he had a nice butt. She ain't lied

All the ladies know....

SherryJackson said:

angel345 said:

Katherine Hepburn said he had a nice butt. She ain't lied

All the ladies know....

Yeah, but what does his butt to do with this picture.

dag said:

SherryJackson said:

All the ladies know....

Yeah, but what does his butt to do with this picture.

Girl, quit ruinin' the moment!