it be cool if the concept be like her mtv icon performance which looked like a intimate setting

HAPPYPERSON said:

it be cool if the concept be like her mtv icon performance which looked like a intimate setting

That is so horribly lipsynced, I had to stop watching.

sosgemini said:

Some of you all need to shut the f*ck up about what you expect (demand) from a performer. Seriously. Janet has proven herself as a capable interpretor of lyric, when she wants to. A perfect example:

It's interesting that Janet was allowed to mature as an artist during this era and sadly she and her hardcore fans appear to be stuck in some teenybopper mentality when it comes to her new work. The woman is not twenty, stop trying to act like it.

Two of the best live shows I've seen were Sade and Dolly Pardon. Both let their personalities shine sans dancing, pyrotechnics or elaborate stages. If Janet carried herself on stage with half the confidence and artistic pizazz, she could bring down the house. And nobody would miss any of the modern shortcuts and gimmicks to putting on a show.

1) We're talking about what we expect from Janet as a performer. No one wants to see Janet walking back and forth and shit. If she doesn't want to dance then she should consider getting rid of the 20+ dancers on her stage. It only overshadows her it highlights the fact that her stamina as a dancer is going down.

2) That performance is from 1994. It's 2010. Janet no longer sings her ballads live.

3) Janet is the only one stuck in the "teenybopper mentality". She thinks her sex tease acts are still in. The majority of her fans want her to grow out of it.

3) Janet is NOT Sade nor Dolly Pardon. She's a performer with dance hits. So I hope you're not expecting her to do an interpretation of 'Miss You Much' on a stool.

midiscover said:

Timmy84 said:

^^ If she had worked just as hard with her voice (she has a good one when she USES it lol), I wouldn't have a problem with this type of show.

Of course you wouldn't because you're a fan

trueiopian said:

sosgemini said:

Some of you all need to shut the f*ck up about what you expect (demand) from a performer. Seriously. Janet has proven herself as a capable interpretor of lyric, when she wants to. A perfect example:

It's interesting that Janet was allowed to mature as an artist during this era and sadly she and her hardcore fans appear to be stuck in some teenybopper mentality when it comes to her new work. The woman is not twenty, stop trying to act like it.

Two of the best live shows I've seen were Sade and Dolly Pardon. Both let their personalities shine sans dancing, pyrotechnics or elaborate stages. If Janet carried herself on stage with half the confidence and artistic pizazz, she could bring down the house. And nobody would miss any of the modern shortcuts and gimmicks to putting on a show.

1) We're talking about what we expect from Janet as a performer. No one wants to see Janet walking back and forth and shit. If she doesn't want to dance then she should consider getting rid of the 20+ dancers on her stage. It only overshadows her it highlights the fact that her stamina as a dancer is going down.

2) That performance is from 1994. It's 2010. Janet no longer sings her ballads live.

3) Janet is the only one stuck in the "teenybopper mentality". She thinks her sex tease acts are still in. The majority of her fans want her to grow out of it.

3) Janet is NOT Sade nor Dolly Pardon. She's a performer with dance hits. So I hope you're not expecting her to do an interpretation of 'Miss You Much' on a stool.

sosgemini said:

HAPPYPERSON said:

it be cool if the concept be like her mtv icon performance which looked like a intimate setting

That is so horribly lipsynced, I had to stop watching.

You mean you've never seen Janet's MTV Icon special before?

SEANMAN said:

sosgemini said:

That is so horribly lipsynced, I had to stop watching.

You mean you've never seen Janet's MTV Icon special before?

Of course he didn't lol

Personally I take this Icon special anyday (sorry for going off topic but since that Icon video was posted...):

sosgemini said:

Timmy84 said:

^^ If she had worked just as hard with her voice (she has a good one when she USES it lol), I wouldn't have a problem with this type of show.

Cha know! It's embarrassing when I go see Madonna and she disappears from the stage for half of the dance routines. I didn't pay to see dancers, I paid to see Madge. Or worse, Cher standing on stage like a freaken Festivus pole while what looks like the entire cast of Zanadu is flailing around her.

And I mentioned Dolly Pardon cause I didn't want my point to be obscured by Sade's style. They are polar opposites on stage (Dolly loves to talk, Sade rarely) but they both found a way to captivate their audience sans throwing fifty dances on the stage.

I'll give another example: Grace Jones. The lady will eat you alive up on that stage. It's all about working what you got and Janet doesn't have that many years left of Dance! Dance! Dance in her.

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I'm beginning to feel the same way about Janet-embarrassed. I have been feeling this way for a while when I see her perform. Not only is her dancing stiff and non-energetic, the "sex" routines are getting tired and old. She needs to up-date her image and stop with this same old shit-tying the man up, simulating oral sex, etc.-and do something a little classier,IMO. She is not in her 20's anymore and that routine looks contrived. I truly cringed when I watched the Essence Music Festival, and I am certainly no prude.

[Edited 12/29/10 22:07pm]

Timmy84 said:

To me, energetic Janet would have to just lose ALL inhibitions and let loose (Rhythm Nation tour, Janet tour, Velvet Rope tour, even All for You)... seems she's more laid back nowadays. Plus Gil's choreography is LAZY!

Or maybe it’s called getting old

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

To me, energetic Janet would have to just lose ALL inhibitions and let loose (Rhythm Nation tour, Janet tour, Velvet Rope tour, even All for You)... seems she's more laid back nowadays. Plus Gil's choreography is LAZY!

Or maybe it’s called getting old

Considering the choreography of course.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Or maybe it’s called getting old

Considering the choreography of course.

I was thinking about seeing her but I don't know , I have a feeling dates might get cancelled.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Considering the choreography of course.

I was thinking about seeing her but I don't know , I have a feeling dates might get cancelled.

I'm just loving your optimism...

SEANMAN said:

babybugz said:

I was thinking about seeing her but I don't know , I have a feeling dates might get cancelled.

I'm just loving your optimism...

I’m an honest person no harm in that. I'm a fan so it's okay lol.

midiscover said:

SEANMAN said:

I do agree that she needs to NIX Gil with the quickness. He's created some great routines for her ("All Nite", the SuperBowl, SNL "Strawberry Bounce"), and I know they're friends, but it's seriously time for him to go. Someone fresh and hungry with new ideas could be beneficial for her.

Jonte choregraphed the Superbowl performance.

btw, Gil recently hinted that he hasn't spoken to Janet in months so there's hope that he might get the boot some day.

I'd DIE if Jonte was her new choreographer!

Or even my amigo San Bankhead

HELL, get both of them!

I can't wait till I hear which other cities she will go to...hurry up already!

Janet winning BIG at the Billboard awards

Janet OWNING a cynical reporter

Janet winning it up at the 1990 MTV Video Awards

Winning an MTV award for "If"

Beautiful Essence awards speech

Billboards 2001

AMAs Award of Merit

Reader's Choice from "The Rock"

Winning Blockbuster award

Video of a fan flashmob done last Saturday in Seattle.

Are we jumping off topic cause I got some killer Madeline Kahn clips I'd love to post right about now:

ViintageJunkiie said:

midiscover said:

Jonte choregraphed the Superbowl performance.

btw, Gil recently hinted that he hasn't spoken to Janet in months so there's hope that he might get the boot some day.

I'd DIE if Jonte was her new choreographer!

Or even my amigo San Bankhead

HELL, get both of them!

Yassss! Jonte style is very Janet too so I bet they would come up with some hot ass moves!!

Nice for Hong Kong and Singapore...any word on USA jump spots...say LA, for instance?

Free2BMe said:

trueiopian said:

Both Singapore and Hong Kong's venues aren't what I consider "intimate and personal"...

I also don't understand the "Don't look for special effects" part. Bitch, don't nobody want to see JANET JACKSON perform without her pyrotechnics. Now if it's a stripped down, MTV Unplugged type of show then there should be less choreography, the focus should be on the musical arrangements and she should consider utilizing her voice this time around (Which I highly doubt but still ...). To be honest, it would be a hot boiling mess to see her dance and lip in an "intimate and personal" setting with no pyrotechnics or production. I'm already nervous about this...

Maybe she's calling these venues "intimate and personal" because they only seat 6,000-8,000 fans. It could also be a ploy that maybe she thought that she couldn't sell out large venues-20,000+. I really don't think anyone wants to see Janet without pyrotechnics or production, because that's what they expect of her. IMO, it would be a HUGE mistake to try and do a stripped-down Unplugged type of show, because the focus would be on her voice and she doesn't have the voice for that type of thing.

I agree but she's not gonna dance forever. Her energy level as a performer has gone down now that she's getting older. Maybe, it's time for a change of direction as a performer because from the footage I saw of her at Essence it looked boring. It's terrible that the most exciting and loudest part of her shows is when she brings a guy on stage.

I'll be both irritated but amused if all of the cities on this "world" tour are once again only in the USA and Asia.

I was still at school when she last came to Europe in the friggin' 90s.

[Edited 1/3/11 11:36am]

sosgemini said:

Are we jumping off topic cause I got some killer Madeline Kahn clips I'd love to post right about now:

LMAO!!!! I know, right?

Lets all get a little real here.

For one, i HATE when ignorant folks take press releases - especially those promoting the work of a fucking JACKSON - as the word, the light, the way. it's not meant to be taken SO LITERALLY. basically, she was an arena act for 15 or so years. her last tour, while my personal favorite all in all, couldn't pay for itself. that production was sick. amazing. but come on, she was only selling 7, 8, 9,000 tickets a night in most markets - some LESS. that ain't covering expenses. they are making this decision as a BUSINESS move - pure and simple. it's show BUSINESS. she's in a rare spot, where she is a huge icon a la diana or aretha, practically, yet not old enough of far enough away from her biggest glory years to be considered the same 'legend' that Ms. Ross or Ms. Franklin are. Unlike Tina or Cher, neither Diana or Aretha can sell arenas anymore either. so, they do the 4-6,000 seaters and sell them out. she's looking to go the same route; but im sure she is going to walk the line between 'intimate' and her usual 'extravaganza.' i was at essence, and the new show is basically Rock Witchu tweaked, with more filler video, less explosions. im sure this is what this will be; if she were to go ALL OUT and do club tour and surprise us with the arrangements, focus on a more 'soulful' type of show and focus on mixing her hallmark jams with some lesser known fan favorites (Spending Time With You, Like You Don't Love Me, With U, Someday is Tonight, My Need, Rope Burn, Enjoy) then i would MAYBE buy that this show is going to be 'different.' it's going to be a more affordable version of Rock Witchu riding the whole 'number ones' concept for all it's worth, considering the album came and went without much memory. (She is running the marathon with this whole number ones concept...wasn't that shit released in 2009?) meanwhile, her dead brother (RIP) is bigger than ever and she has been given so much hype as 'crossing over' to actress and book author...it's a weird time in the Janet world. i will still be buying the tickets and screaming from the front row, but i don't buy for a second this is anything but damage control for the (financial and PR) wreck that was her 2008 tour.

badujunkie said:

Lets all get a little real here.

For one, i HATE when ignorant folks take press releases - especially those promoting the work of a fucking JACKSON - as the word, the light, the way. it's not meant to be taken SO LITERALLY. basically, she was an arena act for 15 or so years. her last tour, while my personal favorite all in all, couldn't pay for itself. that production was sick. amazing. but come on, she was only selling 7, 8, 9,000 tickets a night in most markets - some LESS. that ain't covering expenses. they are making this decision as a BUSINESS move - pure and simple. it's show BUSINESS. she's in a rare spot, where she is a huge icon a la diana or aretha, practically, yet not old enough of far enough away from her biggest glory years to be considered the same 'legend' that Ms. Ross or Ms. Franklin are. Unlike Tina or Cher, neither Diana or Aretha can sell arenas anymore either. so, they do the 4-6,000 seaters and sell them out. she's looking to go the same route; but im sure she is going to walk the line between 'intimate' and her usual 'extravaganza.' i was at essence, and the new show is basically Rock Witchu tweaked, with more filler video, less explosions. im sure this is what this will be; if she were to go ALL OUT and do club tour and surprise us with the arrangements, focus on a more 'soulful' type of show and focus on mixing her hallmark jams with some lesser known fan favorites (Spending Time With You, Like You Don't Love Me, With U, Someday is Tonight, My Need, Rope Burn, Enjoy) then i would MAYBE buy that this show is going to be 'different.' it's going to be a more affordable version of Rock Witchu riding the whole 'number ones' concept for all it's worth, considering the album came and went without much memory. (She is running the marathon with this whole number ones concept...wasn't that shit released in 2009?) meanwhile, her dead brother (RIP) is bigger than ever and she has been given so much hype as 'crossing over' to actress and book author...it's a weird time in the Janet world. i will still be buying the tickets and screaming from the front row, but i don't buy for a second this is anything but damage control for the (financial and PR) wreck that was her 2008 tour.

I agree that this tour IS all about damage control.

badujunkie said:

Lets all get a little real here.

For one, i HATE when ignorant folks take press releases - especially those promoting the work of a fucking JACKSON - as the word, the light, the way. it's not meant to be taken SO LITERALLY. basically, she was an arena act for 15 or so years. her last tour, while my personal favorite all in all, couldn't pay for itself. that production was sick. amazing. but come on, she was only selling 7, 8, 9,000 tickets a night in most markets - some LESS. that ain't covering expenses. they are making this decision as a BUSINESS move - pure and simple. it's show BUSINESS. she's in a rare spot, where she is a huge icon a la diana or aretha, practically, yet not old enough of far enough away from her biggest glory years to be considered the same 'legend' that Ms. Ross or Ms. Franklin are. Unlike Tina or Cher, neither Diana or Aretha can sell arenas anymore either. so, they do the 4-6,000 seaters and sell them out. she's looking to go the same route; but im sure she is going to walk the line between 'intimate' and her usual 'extravaganza.' i was at essence, and the new show is basically Rock Witchu tweaked, with more filler video, less explosions. im sure this is what this will be; if she were to go ALL OUT and do club tour and surprise us with the arrangements, focus on a more 'soulful' type of show and focus on mixing her hallmark jams with some lesser known fan favorites (Spending Time With You, Like You Don't Love Me, With U, Someday is Tonight, My Need, Rope Burn, Enjoy) then i would MAYBE buy that this show is going to be 'different.' it's going to be a more affordable version of Rock Witchu riding the whole 'number ones' concept for all it's worth, considering the album came and went without much memory. (She is running the marathon with this whole number ones concept...wasn't that shit released in 2009?) meanwhile, her dead brother (RIP) is bigger than ever and she has been given so much hype as 'crossing over' to actress and book author...it's a weird time in the Janet world. i will still be buying the tickets and screaming from the front row, but i don't buy for a second this is anything but damage control for the (financial and PR) wreck that was her 2008 tour.

She's not. Janet already stated that she's performing 35 of the songs on her Number Ones CD. So basically it's a watered down version of the Rock Wit U tour.

btw, she annouced that Taiwan is the 3rd date on the tour.

badujunkie said:

Lets all get a little real here.

For one, i HATE when ignorant folks take press releases - especially those promoting the work of a fucking JACKSON - as the word, the light, the way. it's not meant to be taken SO LITERALLY. basically, she was an arena act for 15 or so years. her last tour, while my personal favorite all in all, couldn't pay for itself. that production was sick. amazing. but come on, she was only selling 7, 8, 9,000 tickets a night in most markets - some LESS. that ain't covering expenses. they are making this decision as a BUSINESS move - pure and simple. it's show BUSINESS. she's in a rare spot, where she is a huge icon a la diana or aretha, practically, yet not old enough of far enough away from her biggest glory years to be considered the same 'legend' that Ms. Ross or Ms. Franklin are. Unlike Tina or Cher, neither Diana or Aretha can sell arenas anymore either. so, they do the 4-6,000 seaters and sell them out. she's looking to go the same route; but im sure she is going to walk the line between 'intimate' and her usual 'extravaganza.' i was at essence, and the new show is basically Rock Witchu tweaked, with more filler video, less explosions. im sure this is what this will be; if she were to go ALL OUT and do club tour and surprise us with the arrangements, focus on a more 'soulful' type of show and focus on mixing her hallmark jams with some lesser known fan favorites (Spending Time With You, Like You Don't Love Me, With U, Someday is Tonight, My Need, Rope Burn, Enjoy) then i would MAYBE buy that this show is going to be 'different.' it's going to be a more affordable version of Rock Witchu riding the whole 'number ones' concept for all it's worth, considering the album came and went without much memory. (She is running the marathon with this whole number ones concept...wasn't that shit released in 2009?) meanwhile, her dead brother (RIP) is bigger than ever and she has been given so much hype as 'crossing over' to actress and book author...it's a weird time in the Janet world. i will still be buying the tickets and screaming from the front row, but i don't buy for a second this is anything but damage control for the (financial and PR) wreck that was her 2008 tour.

whenever any artist talks about doing a "smaller,more personal,more intimate tour....so I can be closer to my fans",what they really mean is "I can't sellout arenas so I have to scale back a little".It's not necessarily a bad thing,but let's call it what it is.

badujunkie said:

Lets all get a little real here.

For one, i HATE when ignorant folks take press releases - especially those promoting the work of a fucking JACKSON - as the word, the light, the way. it's not meant to be taken SO LITERALLY. basically, she was an arena act for 15 or so years. her last tour, while my personal favorite all in all, couldn't pay for itself. that production was sick. amazing. but come on, she was only selling 7, 8, 9,000 tickets a night in most markets - some LESS. that ain't covering expenses. they are making this decision as a BUSINESS move - pure and simple. it's show BUSINESS. she's in a rare spot, where she is a huge icon a la diana or aretha, practically, yet not old enough of far enough away from her biggest glory years to be considered the same 'legend' that Ms. Ross or Ms. Franklin are. Unlike Tina or Cher, neither Diana or Aretha can sell arenas anymore either. so, they do the 4-6,000 seaters and sell them out. she's looking to go the same route; but im sure she is going to walk the line between 'intimate' and her usual 'extravaganza.' i was at essence, and the new show is basically Rock Witchu tweaked, with more filler video, less explosions. im sure this is what this will be; if she were to go ALL OUT and do club tour and surprise us with the arrangements, focus on a more 'soulful' type of show and focus on mixing her hallmark jams with some lesser known fan favorites (Spending Time With You, Like You Don't Love Me, With U, Someday is Tonight, My Need, Rope Burn, Enjoy) then i would MAYBE buy that this show is going to be 'different.' it's going to be a more affordable version of Rock Witchu riding the whole 'number ones' concept for all it's worth, considering the album came and went without much memory. (She is running the marathon with this whole number ones concept...wasn't that shit released in 2009?) meanwhile, her dead brother (RIP) is bigger than ever and she has been given so much hype as 'crossing over' to actress and book author...it's a weird time in the Janet world. i will still be buying the tickets and screaming from the front row, but i don't buy for a second this is anything but damage control for the (financial and PR) wreck that was her 2008 tour.

I think the MAJORITY of us agree anyway with what you're saying. I sure think this is damage control.

Diana Ross still does arenas when she comes here. I saw Gladys Knight at Wembley Arena in 2009. What some of them do - even current young acts who are too big to play theatres but not popular enough as a live act to fill 20,000 seat arenas - is cut off about a third of the arena. They only sell tickets for the front 2 or 3 floor blocks and side seats at those places.

Janet's problem over here in Europe is that her current albums just don't sell at all. But, she also hasn't worn any of us down with tours as she hasn't played a solo concert here since 1998. She probably has enough clout as a name to be far too in demand to just settle with large theatres, but maybe not enough to fill somewhere like the O2 Arena.

Ellie said:

Diana Ross still does arenas when she comes here. I saw Gladys Knight at Wembley Arena in 2009. What some of them do - even current young acts who are too big to play theatres but not popular enough as a live act to fill 20,000 seat arenas - is cut off about a third of the arena. They only sell tickets for the front 2 or 3 floor blocks and side seats at those places.

Janet's problem over here in Europe is that her current albums just don't sell at all. But, she also hasn't worn any of us down with tours as she hasn't played a solo concert here since 1998. She probably has enough clout as a name to be far too in demand to just settle with large theatres, but maybe not enough to fill somewhere like the O2 Arena.

See, that's the part I just don't get. Damita Jo and Discipline had plenty of tracks on them with that European feel. I know people say they weren't promoted well, but come on. It's Janet we're talking about. Surely some radio station in all of Europe mentioned she was coming out with a new CD. And, what with everthing that happened in her career in 2004, I'm surprised Damita Jo didn't fly off the shelves over there. I know football and the Super Bowl aren't big over there, but still.