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Music: Non-Prince "Greatest R&B Artist Of All-Time" List?

Music: Non-Prince family, let's put our brillant minds together and come up with the utimate Greatest of All-Tim Rhythm and Blues Artist List. I think we can make a TOP 100 List.

R&B is the only genre that's get's forgotten on these Top 100 List. But here, it may be the most discussed music genre in his section.

This can go back from the beginning of R&B to the present time R&B (if you all think a few are worthy.)

All forms of R&B are welcome. Some early Doo-Wop and Rock-N-Roll, Soul, Funk, Quest Storm, New Jack Swing, ect.

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Reply #1 posted 11/28/10 6:06pm

Cinnie

My list is on that thread about BET's lifetime achievement award future nominees smile

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Reply #2 posted 11/28/10 6:10pm

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WAR! biggrin

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Reply #3 posted 11/28/10 6:45pm

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this is basically "the Stevie Wonder Appreciation Thread" lol

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Reply #4 posted 11/28/10 7:18pm

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Here's some of my faves:

Minnie Riperton

Sam Cooke

Jackie Wilson

Brand New Heavies

El DeBarge

J5 / The Jacksons

The Temptations

Gap Band

The Time

Johnnie Taylor

Stevie Wonder

James Brown

Al Green

Sade

Chanté Moore

Midnight Star

Aretha Franklin

George Benson (although technically jazz, a lot of his songs are R&B and pop)

Shalamar

The Whispers

Teena Marie

The Dramatics

The Spinners

Isley Brothers

Marvin Gaye

New Edition

En Vogue

The Emotions

Teddy Pendergrass

Donny Hathaway

Earth, Wind, & Fire

Rufus & Chaka Khan

Average White Band

Tammi Terrell

Lisa Stansfield

Cameo

Kool & The Gang

Tony! Toni! Toné!

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #5 posted 11/28/10 8:54pm

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MickyDolenz said:

Here's some of my faves:

Minnie Riperton

Sam Cooke

Jackie Wilson

Brand New Heavies

El DeBarge

J5 / The Jacksons

The Temptations

Gap Band

The Time

Johnnie Taylor

Stevie Wonder

James Brown

Al Green

Sade

Chanté Moore

Midnight Star

Aretha Franklin

George Benson (although technically jazz, a lot of his songs are R&B and pop)

Shalamar

The Whispers

Teena Marie

The Dramatics

The Spinners

Isley Brothers

Marvin Gaye

New Edition

En Vogue

The Emotions

Teddy Pendergrass

Donny Hathaway

Earth, Wind, & Fire

Rufus & Chaka Khan

Average White Band

Tammi Terrell

Lisa Stansfield

Cameo

Kool & The Gang

Tony! Toni! Toné!

Nice we just need them ranked. How about something like this ...


1. James Brown
2. Ray Charles
3. Aretha Franklin
4. Marvin Gaye
5. Sam Cooke
6. Stevie Wonder
7. Michael Jackson

8. Temptations

9. Supremes

10. Prince

11. Otis Redding

12. Sly and the Family Stone

13. Al Green

14. Curtis Mayfield

15. Parliament-Funkadelic
16. Jackie Wilson

17. The Miracles

18. Isley Brothers
19. Isaac Hayes

20. Impressions
21 .Wilson Pickett
22. Barry White
23. Etta James

24. The Drifters

25. Booker T and the M.G.s
26. Donny Hathaway
27. Jerry Butler

28. Luther Vandross
29. The Jackson 5

30. Dionne Warrick

31. Joe Tex
32. Solomon Burke
33. Bobby Womack
34. Little Willie John
35. Lou Rawls
36. Teddy Pendergrass
37. Rick James
38. Smokey Robinson

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Reply #6 posted 11/28/10 9:02pm

SherryJackson

LittleBLUECorvette said:

MickyDolenz said:

Here's some of my faves:

Minnie Riperton

Sam Cooke

Jackie Wilson

Brand New Heavies

El DeBarge

J5 / The Jacksons

The Temptations

Gap Band

The Time

Johnnie Taylor

Stevie Wonder

James Brown

Al Green

Sade

Chanté Moore

Midnight Star

Aretha Franklin

George Benson (although technically jazz, a lot of his songs are R&B and pop)

Shalamar

The Whispers

Teena Marie

The Dramatics

The Spinners

Isley Brothers

Marvin Gaye

New Edition

En Vogue

The Emotions

Teddy Pendergrass

Donny Hathaway

Earth, Wind, & Fire

Rufus & Chaka Khan

Average White Band

Tammi Terrell

Lisa Stansfield

Cameo

Kool & The Gang

Tony! Toni! Toné!

Nice we just need them ranked. How about something like this ...


1. James Brown
2. Ray Charles
3. Aretha Franklin
4. Marvin Gaye
5. Sam Cooke
6. Stevie Wonder
7. Michael Jackson

8. Temptations

9. Supremes

10. Prince

11. Otis Redding

12. Sly and the Family Stone

13. Al Green

14. Curtis Mayfield

15. Parliament-Funkadelic
16. Jackie Wilson

17. The Miracles

18. Isley Brothers
19. Isaac Hayes

20. Impressions
21 .Wilson Pickett
22. Barry White
23. Etta James

24. The Drifters

25. Booker T and the M.G.s
26. Donny Hathaway
27. Jerry Butler

28. Luther Vandross
29. The Jackson 5

30. Dionne Warrick

31. Joe Tex
32. Solomon Burke
33. Bobby Womack
34. Little Willie John
35. Lou Rawls
36. Teddy Pendergrass
37. Rick James
38. Smokey Robinson

yeahthat

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Reply #7 posted 11/28/10 9:32pm

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^^^

Awesome list, but to me Sly should be top five.

He taught the world to funk.

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Reply #8 posted 11/28/10 10:21pm

Gunsnhalen

LittleBLUECorvette said:

MickyDolenz said:

Here's some of my faves:

Minnie Riperton

Sam Cooke

Jackie Wilson

Brand New Heavies

El DeBarge

J5 / The Jacksons

The Temptations

Gap Band

The Time

Johnnie Taylor

Stevie Wonder

James Brown

Al Green

Sade

Chanté Moore

Midnight Star

Aretha Franklin

George Benson (although technically jazz, a lot of his songs are R&B and pop)

Shalamar

The Whispers

Teena Marie

The Dramatics

The Spinners

Isley Brothers

Marvin Gaye

New Edition

En Vogue

The Emotions

Teddy Pendergrass

Donny Hathaway

Earth, Wind, & Fire

Rufus & Chaka Khan

Average White Band

Tammi Terrell

Lisa Stansfield

Cameo

Kool & The Gang

Tony! Toni! Toné!

Nice we just need them ranked. How about something like this ...


1. James Brown
2. Ray Charles
3. Aretha Franklin
4. Marvin Gaye
5. Sam Cooke
6. Stevie Wonder
7. Michael Jackson

8. Temptations

9. Supremes

10. Prince

11. Otis Redding

12. Sly and the Family Stone

13. Al Green

14. Curtis Mayfield

15. Parliament-Funkadelic
16. Jackie Wilson

17. The Miracles

18. Isley Brothers
19. Isaac Hayes

20. Impressions
21 .Wilson Pickett
22. Barry White
23. Etta James

24. The Drifters

25. Booker T and the M.G.s
26. Donny Hathaway
27. Jerry Butler

28. Luther Vandross
29. The Jackson 5

30. Dionne Warrick

31. Joe Tex
32. Solomon Burke
33. Bobby Womack
34. Little Willie John
35. Lou Rawls
36. Teddy Pendergrass
37. Rick James
38. Smokey Robinson

Wow cool

Must admit i can't argue with this list at all biggrin Good rankings!

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Reply #9 posted 11/28/10 11:25pm

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Gunsnhalen said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Nice we just need them ranked. How about something like this ...


1. James Brown
2. Ray Charles
3. Aretha Franklin
4. Marvin Gaye
5. Sam Cooke
6. Stevie Wonder
7. Michael Jackson

8. Temptations

9. Supremes

10. Prince

11. Otis Redding

12. Sly and the Family Stone

13. Al Green

14. Curtis Mayfield

15. Parliament-Funkadelic
16. Jackie Wilson

17. The Miracles

18. Isley Brothers
19. Isaac Hayes

20. Impressions
21 .Wilson Pickett
22. Barry White
23. Etta James

24. The Drifters

25. Booker T and the M.G.s
26. Donny Hathaway
27. Jerry Butler

28. Luther Vandross
29. The Jackson 5

30. Dionne Warrick

31. Joe Tex
32. Solomon Burke
33. Bobby Womack
34. Little Willie John
35. Lou Rawls
36. Teddy Pendergrass
37. Rick James
38. Smokey Robinson

Wow cool

Must admit i can't argue with this list at all biggrin Good rankings!

You can argue, that's what I want. lol

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Reply #10 posted 11/28/10 11:42pm

dalsh327

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Music: Non-Prince family, let's put our brillant minds together and come up with the utimate Greatest of All-Tim Rhythm and Blues Artist List. I think we can make a TOP 100 List.

R&B is the only genre that's get's forgotten on these Top 100 List. But here, it may be the most discussed music genre in his section.

This can go back from the beginning of R&B to the present time R&B (if you all think a few are worthy.)

All forms of R&B are welcome. Some early Doo-Wop and Rock-N-Roll, Soul, Funk, Quest Storm, New Jack Swing, ect.

R&B isn't so much forgotten as much as it is prob. the hardest list to come up with. Usually they put all the names up until they have 400-500, maybe more, then whittle it down.

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Reply #11 posted 11/29/10 12:17am

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michael jackson is not rnb... and isn't james brown... soul and funk?????

anyways.... bobby brown better be on the list... lol lol lol

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Reply #12 posted 11/29/10 1:26am

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The problem with categorizing the greatest R&B artist of All Time is the fact that R&B itself was never a genre of music that developed naturally as an outgrowth of black creativity rather, it was an umbrella term to categorize all of the 'jungle music' black folks made that wasn't blues or jazz. Ike Turner was considered R&B at the time and now he is one of the pioneers of rock n roll, same goes for fats domino, chuck berry, little richard all of those cats music virtually stayed the same when they garnered crossover appeal the only thing that changed was their pocketbooks(if that) and the term for their music being called rock n roll. IN fact at the hard of it I'd say between the 50's and the 70's the only major difference between rock and r&B was the subject matter and the audience that litened to it. Everything else, production standards, chord change preferences, instrumentation choices, conventional melodies used, preferred time signatures, were pretty similar. Moreover, I find little in modern r&b that resembles, say 50's doo wop, or 60's soul. So What is R&B? just "urban music"? Is funk R&B? because both funk and soul were played in the same format and stations despite the clear difference in approach, sometimes the two even overlapped.

However the cookie crumbles I am positive these few artist legacy on black popular music makes them shoe-ins as GOAT nominees:

Stevie Wonder

James Brown

Ray Charles

Al Green

MJ

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Reply #13 posted 11/29/10 4:52pm

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Sandino said:

The problem with categorizing the greatest R&B artist of All Time is the fact that R&B itself was never a genre of music that developed naturally as an outgrowth of black creativity rather, it was an umbrella term to categorize all of the 'jungle music' black folks made that wasn't blues or jazz. Ike Turner was considered R&B at the time and now he is one of the pioneers of rock n roll, same goes for fats domino, chuck berry, little richard all of those cats music virtually stayed the same when they garnered crossover appeal the only thing that changed was their pocketbooks(if that) and the term for their music being called rock n roll. IN fact at the hard of it I'd say between the 50's and the 70's the only major difference between rock and r&B was the subject matter and the audience that litened to it. Everything else, production standards, chord change preferences, instrumentation choices, conventional melodies used, preferred time signatures, were pretty similar. Moreover, I find little in modern r&b that resembles, say 50's doo wop, or 60's soul. So What is R&B? just "urban music"? Is funk R&B? because both funk and soul were played in the same format and stations despite the clear difference in approach, sometimes the two even overlapped.

However the cookie crumbles I am positive these few artist legacy on black popular music makes them shoe-ins as GOAT nominees:

Stevie Wonder

James Brown

Ray Charles

Al Green

MJ

Cool, I always wondered what the liikes of Little Richard, Bo Didley, Fats, Chuck, ect would have been listed under. If they were more Rock N Roll or RnB

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Reply #14 posted 11/30/10 11:07am

Cinnie

TotalAlisa said:

michael jackson is not rnb... and isn't james brown... soul and funk?????

anyways.... bobby brown better be on the list... lol lol lol

^^^^ UNDERRATED POST

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LittleBLUECorv
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Cinnie said:

TotalAlisa said:

michael jackson is not rnb... and isn't james brown... soul and funk?????

anyways.... bobby brown better be on the list... lol lol lol

^^^^ UNDERRATED POST

The Bobby Brown part or everything else??

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Reply #16 posted 11/30/10 11:34am

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Reply #17 posted 11/30/10 11:53am

Graycap23

MickyDolenz said:

Here's some of my faves:

Minnie Riperton

Sam Cooke

Jackie Wilson

Brand New Heavies

El DeBarge

J5 / The Jacksons

The Temptations

Gap Band

The Time

Johnnie Taylor

Stevie Wonder

James Brown

Al Green

Sade

Chanté Moore

Midnight Star

Aretha Franklin

George Benson (although technically jazz, a lot of his songs are R&B and pop)

Shalamar

The Whispers

Teena Marie

The Dramatics

The Spinners

Isley Brothers

Marvin Gaye

En Vogue

The Emotions

Teddy Pendergrass

Donny Hathaway

Earth, Wind, & Fire

Rufus & Chaka Khan

Average White Band

Tammi Terrell

Cameo

Kool & The Gang

Tony! Toni! Toné!

Add:

The dazz band

Ohio Players

Prince

Frank Mccomb

Mint Condition

George Duke

Eric Roberson

Conya Doss

Anita Baker

Dangelo

Raphael Saddiq

Bootsy

Lenny Williams

One Way

Charlie Wilson

Barry White

Michael Henderson

Phillip Bailey

Ashford & Simpson

Jeffery Osborne

Howard Hewitt

Shalamar

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Reply #18 posted 11/30/10 12:51pm

JasonWill1980

number one on my list forever is......


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Reply #19 posted 11/30/10 1:10pm

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Rick James dammitt!

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #20 posted 11/30/10 1:36pm

Cinnie

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Cinnie said:

^^^^ UNDERRATED POST

The Bobby Brown part or everything else??

ALL of it!

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Reply #21 posted 11/30/10 3:07pm

Timmy84

The rhythm and blues that began in the 1940s isn't the same because the genre kept giving birth to brothers and cousins but it's so confusing that everything is deemed "R&B" though it could be "rock and roll" or "blues" or "soul" or "funk".

It's as confusing as explaining rock and roll music since the rock of the 1950s wasn't the same as the 1960s or 1970s and so on and so on.

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Reply #22 posted 11/30/10 4:05pm

badujunkie

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Erica Wright

Michael Joseph Jackson

Janet Damita Jo Jackson DeBarge Elizondo Jackson (Dupri?)

Ike Turner // Anna Mae Bullock

Maurice White

Philip Irvin Bailey

Helen Folasade Adu

Ann Lennox

Michael Eugene Archer

Georgios Kyriacos Panayiotou

Jill Scott

...everyone else...

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badujunkie said:

Erica Wright

Michael Joseph Jackson

Janet Damita Jo Jackson DeBarge Elizondo Jackson (Dupri?)

Ike Turner // Anna Mae Bullock

Maurice White

Philip Irvin Bailey

Helen Folasade Adu

Ann Lennox

Michael Eugene Archer

Georgios Kyriacos Panayiotou

Jill Scott

...everyone else...

you done put up the gov'ment names! faint

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Reply #24 posted 12/01/10 9:43am

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^^^

Awesome list, but to me Sly should be top five.

He taught the world to funk.

I fully agree with you! There is music before SLY and music after and his influence was massive to say the least. A top five ranking at the very least should be considered....

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Reply #25 posted 12/01/10 2:38pm

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Graycap23 said:

Charlie Wilson

Phillip Bailey

Howard Hewitt

Isn't this the same as Gap Band, Earth Wind & Fire, and Shalamar?

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #26 posted 12/01/10 5:42pm

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

badujunkie said:

Erica Wright

Michael Joseph Jackson

Janet Damita Jo Jackson DeBarge Elizondo Jackson (Dupri?)

Ike Turner // Anna Mae Bullock

Maurice White

Philip Irvin Bailey

Helen Folasade Adu

Ann Lennox

Michael Eugene Archer

Georgios Kyriacos Panayiotou

Jill Scott

...everyone else...

you done put up the gov'ment names! faint

I'm actually surprised Sylvester Stewart, Samuel Cook and Marvin Pentz Gay, Jr. ain't on the list. lol

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Reply #27 posted 12/01/10 5:42pm

Timmy84

Anyways, in terms of "R&B".

TOO FUCKING MANY TO CHOOSE FROM! Fuck that I ain't choosing! hmph! lol

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Reply #28 posted 12/01/10 6:56pm

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Timmy84 said:

Anyways, in terms of "R&B".

TOO FUCKING MANY TO CHOOSE FROM! Fuck that I ain't choosing! hmph! lol

Thats whats fun about making a list.

I'm part of a basketball forum and it's fun and also a learning expierence making a 100 greatest players of All-Time list or a top 20 small forward list.

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Reply #29 posted 12/02/10 6:20am

Graycap23

MickyDolenz said:

Graycap23 said:

Charlie Wilson

Phillip Bailey

Howard Hewitt

Isn't this the same as Gap Band, Earth Wind & Fire, and Shalamar?

How is a solo act the same as as group act?

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