NDRU said:

Pop icon, absolutely.

of any importance to the world of music or film? no

B I N G O

MyLuv229 said:

Depends how we define icon.

She definitely has a lot of accolades under her belt, but the biggest impact (in my opinion) - the true testament of an icon - is leaving an imprint in the music industry and inspiring others. Awards don't do that. The cultural impact an artist has is the true mark of an icon (again, in my opinion).

True that! Well said and I totally agree. A true icon makes a lasting impact and leaves their own mark on the world. Awards do not define an icon. Bey imo has not made an impact but she no doubt has been hugely successful in her field. She does have a lot to be proud of accomplishment wise.

hhhhdmt said:

how many hits has she actually written?

None! At least not any where she is credited as the sole writer. This is why i'm always baffled when Beyonce brags about her songwriting skills or when I learned that she was the first black woman to win the ASCAP award for pop music songwriter of the year. Beyonce's songs always list multiple co-writers. She's not much of a songwriter at all.

ratchetchan said:

babybugz said:

I like her I can care less if she white or black , I know race comes to play in a lot of things but not everybody is the same. I like beyonce as well but I sure don't stan for her she need to go away for a while. But you have to wonder if beyonce write if so many are saying otherwise I think she don't write shit

Girl, sit in an electric chair.

"She need to go away for a while" WHY? If she is irritating you, you CAN just get a gun and blow your frontal lobe away. You can still live without being able to hear or see her.

And plenty of people say that the Holocaust did not happen, does that mean it didn't? What's more, WHO said she doesn't? A bunch of know-nothing niggers on a forum?

Get a backbone, and then an opinion.

Please excuse the nerd in me, but the temporal and occipital lobe are responsible for hearing and seeing, respectively -- not the frontal lobe. Carry on.

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

I would say yes, although she does not have that one DEFINING moment that resonates with the masses to compliment her music. She is constantly in the news, BUT there has never been one of those "aha" moments that jump out(IMO). Using the 80's Big Three as an example:

MJ-Moonwalk on Motown 25 (and other things)

Prince-Purple Rain (the movie and other things)

Madonna-Like A Virgin (performance at VMAs and other things)

Even if you go back the previous decades, Bowie, Marvin, Stevie, The Beatles, Diana Ross, Elton John and others had that one thing that complimented their music and only enhanced their image (usually for the better).

She (Beyonce) has outsold and outperformed many of her peers, but something is missing. Not necessarily a fault of hers, but the way media is now, it doesn't allow for too many genuine opportunities to make a cultural statement.

I think you nailed it. I like her alot but something is missing.

kitbradley said:

Anybody is considered a Pop Icon nowadays.

MyLuv229 said:

ratchetchan said:

Girl, sit in an electric chair.

"She need to go away for a while" WHY? If she is irritating you, you CAN just get a gun and blow your frontal lobe away. You can still live without being able to hear or see her.

And plenty of people say that the Holocaust did not happen, does that mean it didn't? What's more, WHO said she doesn't? A bunch of know-nothing niggers on a forum?

Get a backbone, and then an opinion.

Please excuse the nerd in me, but the temporal and occipital lobe are responsible for hearing and seeing, respectively -- not the frontal lobe. Carry on.

Loooooove this response!

ViintageJunkiie said:

ratchetchan said:

at all of that bullshit that just so happens to be irrelevant to the topic.

Gaga co-writes JUST like Beyoncé, the only reason you idiots don't jump on her is because she's white and therefore not a threat to your "real R&B singers".

Beyoncé has played piano and guitar. She just doesn't anymore because she doesn't have to. KI!

"Telephone" isn't live (and the studio version, like so many of her songs, is autotuned - Beyoncé's verse WASN'T, and it actually had a vocal arrangment).

Beyoncé writes her own songs, and has always maintained this. She has NEVER said that she writes them alone.

70% pre-recorded sit DOWN. Even if that were TRUE, that 30% that would BE live is and will ALWAYS be better than any other bitch to touch a mike. Yes, ANY.

Show me a song Beyonce wrote by herself .. What do you mean Telephone wasn't live? Every performance Gaga has EVER did was LIVE.

Lady Gaga >>> Beyonce. The end

Telephone is NOT LIVE like I said, dumbass. The bitch lips to that AUTOTUNED track.

Bitch, you don't run shit here. *punches you in your nigger nose*

Show me a song Gaga wrote by herself. Come on, DO IT.

And Gaga's non-singing half-dancing ass can NEVER come for Beyoncé. I can't wait until that bitch DIES on stage trying to do one-fourth of what Beyoncé does with ease and you idiots kill yourselves.

MyLuv229 said:

ratchetchan said:

Girl, sit in an electric chair.

"She need to go away for a while" WHY? If she is irritating you, you CAN just get a gun and blow your frontal lobe away. You can still live without being able to hear or see her.

And plenty of people say that the Holocaust did not happen, does that mean it didn't? What's more, WHO said she doesn't? A bunch of know-nothing niggers on a forum?

Get a backbone, and then an opinion.

Please excuse the nerd in me, but the temporal and occipital lobe are responsible for hearing and seeing, respectively -- not the frontal lobe. Carry on.

Touché.

Define "Accomplish"?

If by accomplish, meaning she brings a new set of terminology to the queens each time she drops an album, then hell yeah.

To me her music has no substance whatsoever. A proof of that is Inauguration Day, she could've used that opportunity to her advantage by chosing a song from her big catalog or "wrote"(by walking into a room while somebody from her crew is actually writing a song) for the event, but what did she do? Sing "At Last"

Its such a shame too, because she can sing. But I don't see her "To the left! To the left!" music enduring time. As for acting, I've seen mannequins look more human.

Harlepolis said:

Define "Accomplish"?

If by accomplish, meaning she brings a new set of terminology to the queens each time she drops an album, then hell yeah.

To me her music has no substance whatsoever. A proof of that is Inauguration Day, she could've used that opportunity to her advantage by chosing a song from her big catalog or "wrote"(by walking into a room while somebody from her crew is actually writing a song) for the event, but what did she do? Sing "At Last"

Its such a shame too, because she can sing. But I don't see her "To the left! To the left!" music enduring time. As for acting, I've seen mannequins look more human.

LOL @ "to the queens" like EVERYFUCKINGBODY wasn't saying "To the left, to the left" and "If you like it, then you shoulda put a ring on it". When YOU dumb queens pull your heads out of your stretched anuses, you'll find these things out.

And of course Beyoncé's music would have no substance to complete idiots with no brains of their own.

ROFL @ the Neighborhood Ball (a PARTY) somehow illustrating this point. It was a first DANCE. What the fuck was she supposed to sing? Some bullshit save the whales song would've been JUST as foolish as singing "Video Phone". Neither ONE fits the moment.

She was ASKED to sing "At Last". And by the way, "Halo" could've easily been performed to fit the occasion itself.

And of course YOUR fat-ass eyes don't see her music enduring time. But idiots just like you didn't see Madonna enduring, or Michael, or Donna, or Elvis...

And when she wins that Oscar (and she will - she does EVERYTHING she sets out to do), I'm going to borrow it from her and personally stab you all you slaves in the throat with it.

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ratchetchan said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Show me a song Beyonce wrote by herself .. What do you mean Telephone wasn't live? Every performance Gaga has EVER did was LIVE.

Lady Gaga >>> Beyonce. The end

Telephone is NOT LIVE like I said, dumbass. The bitch lips to that AUTOTUNED track.

Bitch, you don't run shit here. *punches you in your nigger nose*

Show me a song Gaga wrote by herself. Come on, DO IT.

And Gaga's non-singing half-dancing ass can NEVER come for Beyoncé. I can't wait until that bitch DIES on stage trying to do one-fourth of what Beyoncé does with ease and you idiots kill yourselves.

No, dahlin'. Lagy Gaga can actually sing, which is what sets her apart from a lot of these younger girls. She can also play piano, but, I digress. And, in that "Video Phone" clip, she more than held her own against B during the whole dance breakdown. Not a hater, because Beyonce is doing her thing right now, but let's be honest here.

*p.s., was that "n*gger nose comment even necessary?

In some way, the times in which an artist emerges has something to do w/ how'll they will be regarded in the future. The 80s isn't known as time for producing many legends (tho several emerged from that decade) whereas the 60s-70s are (where many did). Given the times Beyonce happened in, I'm inclined to vote NO for long term legendhood, but YES for pop icondom.

The closest career comparison I can think of to her is Diana Ross. By the time Ross was at Beyonce's point in her career, I'm sure most agree that she was ALREADY a legend. So Timmy might have a point about "making the right moves", but what ARE those moves in this time? Most of the things to OP posted are fine accolades on paper, but few of them are what makes a legend. That seems far more elusive than merely being the 1st Black chick who gets various awards and mag covers.

LOL...IOW, I dunno, but I am curious to see if it's possible for these times to produce artist(s) that go the distance. CAN the early 21st century produce artists that will still interest people 20,30, 40 years into the future as the 60s-70s did?

ratchetchan said:

Harlepolis said:

Define "Accomplish"?

If by accomplish, meaning she brings a new set of terminology to the queens each time she drops an album, then hell yeah.

To me her music has no substance whatsoever. A proof of that is Inauguration Day, she could've used that opportunity to her advantage by chosing a song from her big catalog or "wrote"(by walking into a room while somebody from her crew is actually writing a song) for the event, but what did she do? Sing "At Last"

Its such a shame too, because she can sing. But I don't see her "To the left! To the left!" music enduring time. As for acting, I've seen mannequins look more human.

A heap load of "nothings"

Did somebody here address you? [img:$uid]http://maryluvs.clicdev.com/f/html/emoticons/maryluvs_huhh.gif[/img:$uid] I say stay hidden in Beysus' clitoris until I call you out.

The nerve of this poor little hot bothered & bewildered itch worm [img:$uid]http://maryluvs.clicdev.com/f/html/emoticons/maryluvs_coffee2.gif[/img:$uid]

^^

NaughtyKitty said:

MyLuv229 said:

Depends how we define icon.

She definitely has a lot of accolades under her belt, but the biggest impact (in my opinion) - the true testament of an icon - is leaving an imprint in the music industry and inspiring others. Awards don't do that. The cultural impact an artist has is the true mark of an icon (again, in my opinion).

True that! Well said and I totally agree. A true icon makes a lasting impact and leaves their own mark on the world. Awards do not define an icon. Bey imo has not made an impact but she no doubt has been hugely successful in her field. She does have a lot to be proud of accomplishment wise.

Well, then Bey is an Icon(on her way to legend actually). People love to use the "whole Grammys are irrevelant" argument especially if they don't like the music of the artist who wins them but Bey is a 3 Time Contemporary R&B Grammy Winner. The only who has even won more than one.

That means every solo album that she has done has won a Grammy and so 20 years down the line when the "Beyoncé legacy" is discussed, all 3 of them has to be discussed in terms of her legacy and impact. As well as her performances and such. Someone mentioned Diana Ross, well I am going to quote from this article that is going to be controversial but it shows that the percpetion especially from her peers is of her being a Pop Icon:

Christopher Owens of the San Francisco-based indie rock band Girls says Beyoncé is "so current people still don’t realize how important she is. I think she’s more important than Diana Ross. She’s a huge part in the evolution of R&B vocals and also as an all-around performer."

http://www.chron.com/disp...41971.html

Not to mention, she's the Airplay Artist of the Decade according to Billboard: http://www.billboard.com/...?year=2009 That's bigger than people realize because it won't just be her big hits that are going to be remembered, but even songs like Upgrade U(that was on the Urban Charts for 66 weeks, her longest song on that format tied with Me, Myself and I) are going to get continued airplay years afterwards.

Last but not least, according to allmusic.com Bey/DC has influenced 39 various artists that are in the industry right now. Some are known, and some aren't: http://www.allmusic.com/a...nc-p349078 and http://www.allmusic.com/a...nc-p349078 (Go to the followed section after influences). So pretty much from the beginning(counting early DC), she has made a big impact on Pop Music. BTW, more could have been named(Ameriie, Jennifer Hudson, Adele, Miley Cyrus, Katherine McPhee, etc).

You might not LIKE her music...but you can't compare her music to earlier eras, you have to compare her to what is current now because she is current.

brooksie said:

In some way, the times in which an artist emerges has something to do w/ how'll they will be regarded in the future. The 80s isn't known as time for producing many legends (tho several emerged from that decade) whereas the 60s-70s are (where many did). Given the times Beyonce happened in, I'm inclined to vote NO for long term legendhood, but YES for pop icondom.

The closest career comparison I can think of to her is Diana Ross. By the time Ross was at Beyonce's point in her career, I'm sure most agree that she was ALREADY a legend. So Timmy might have a point about "making the right moves", but what ARE those moves in this time? Most of the things to OP posted are fine accolades on paper, but few of them are what makes a legend. That seems far more elusive than merely being the 1st Black chick who gets various awards and mag covers.

LOL...IOW, I dunno, but I am curious to see if it's possible for these times to produce artist(s) that go the distance. CAN the early 21st century produce artists that will still interest people 20,30, 40 years into the future as the 60s-70s did?

Probably More control of her brand and branching out to other aspect of entertainment. For example, she has her own production company which has used for the last 2 movies she has been in, her new DVD, and even her videos(Why Don't You Love Me?). In fact, during the B'day era she paid out of her own pocket to bring producers to record the songs that ended up being on B'day and then paying out of her own pocket to make the rest of the videos that was on her Video Anthropology.

Bey has more control of what she does than most females who are mainstream but she could do more in that area and open the door for most females to have control of their art who are mainstream entertainers because let's face it, most of them don't. People will debate her lyric-writing in here, but any producer who works with her actually work for her. Big distinction. So that's what I think are the next moves for her.

Wtf

ratchetchan said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

Show me a song Beyonce wrote by herself .. What do you mean Telephone wasn't live? Every performance Gaga has EVER did was LIVE.

Lady Gaga >>> Beyonce. The end

Telephone is NOT LIVE like I said, dumbass. The bitch lips to that AUTOTUNED track.

Bitch, you don't run shit here. *punches you in your nigger nose*

Show me a song Gaga wrote by herself. Come on, DO IT.

And Gaga's non-singing half-dancing ass can NEVER come for Beyoncé. I can't wait until that bitch DIES on stage trying to do one-fourth of what Beyoncé does with ease and you idiots kill yourselves.

Calm down woman, its just music. You're acting like a child and somehow I can tell you're well into your adulthood

Seriously, it seems you need to grasp the concept of "varying opinions". Some people don't like Beyonce and a lot of the time with good reason too.

& the homophobic & racist comments were just downright unecessary and make you out to be a real bitch. I know you're trying to come across as a *~*~diva*~*~* here but you aren't, you're coming across as an ignorant, childish and bratty little bitch.

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TheScouser said:

Wtf

ratchetchan said:

Telephone is NOT LIVE like I said, dumbass. The bitch lips to that AUTOTUNED track.

Bitch, you don't run shit here. *punches you in your nigger nose*

Show me a song Gaga wrote by herself. Come on, DO IT.

And Gaga's non-singing half-dancing ass can NEVER come for Beyoncé. I can't wait until that bitch DIES on stage trying to do one-fourth of what Beyoncé does with ease and you idiots kill yourselves.

Calm down woman, its just music. You're acting like a child and somehow I can tell you're well into your adulthood

Seriously, it seems you need to grasp the concept of "varying opinions". Some people don't like Beyonce and a lot of the time with good reason too.

& the homophobic & racist comments were just downright unecessary and make you out to be a real bitch. I know you're trying to come across as a *~*~diva*~*~* here but you aren't, you're coming across as an ignorant, childish and bratty little bitch.

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Yes, we all have different opinions. Some people i know do not like Little Richard or Bob Dylan or Jimi Hendrix very much. But i'm just like it's cool your opinion. I mean saying Beyonce is talentless i can't totally get behind that, she can sing. But to me she is nothing more then a modern artist's with a lot of hit's like GaGa or Katy Perry

Gunsnhalen said:

TheScouser said:

Wtf

Calm down woman, its just music. You're acting like a child and somehow I can tell you're well into your adulthood

Seriously, it seems you need to grasp the concept of "varying opinions". Some people don't like Beyonce and a lot of the time with good reason too.

& the homophobic & racist comments were just downright unecessary and make you out to be a real bitch. I know you're trying to come across as a *~*~diva*~*~* here but you aren't, you're coming across as an ignorant, childish and bratty little bitch.

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Yes, we all have different opinions. Some people i know do not like Little Richard or Bob Dylan or Jimi Hendrix very much. But i'm just like it's cool your opinion. I mean saying Beyonce is talentless i can't totally get behind that, she can sing. But to me she is nothing more then a modern artist's with a lot of hit's like GaGa or Katy Perry

Not that I agree with you because Bey has been in the record industry longer than the both of them together but since you say this: What do you think she has to do change this perception of her? Serious question, btw.

TheScouser said:

Wtf

ratchetchan said:

Telephone is NOT LIVE like I said, dumbass. The bitch lips to that AUTOTUNED track.

Bitch, you don't run shit here. *punches you in your nigger nose*

Show me a song Gaga wrote by herself. Come on, DO IT.

And Gaga's non-singing half-dancing ass can NEVER come for Beyoncé. I can't wait until that bitch DIES on stage trying to do one-fourth of what Beyoncé does with ease and you idiots kill yourselves.

Calm down woman, its just music. You're acting like a child and somehow I can tell you're well into your adulthood

Seriously, it seems you need to grasp the concept of "varying opinions". Some people don't like Beyonce and a lot of the time with good reason too.

& the homophobic & racist comments were just downright unecessary and make you out to be a real bitch. I know you're trying to come across as a *~*~diva*~*~* here but you aren't, you're coming across as an ignorant, childish and bratty little bitch.

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But what is the good reason though? Is it the songwriting "controversies"(I put that in quotes because it's not a controversy...it's only rumors and never sticks because they are reciepts that refutes and contradicts those rumors)? Is it how she carries herself as a performer or interviews(because that's all we really know of her)? Is it her music?(That's understandable because she's contemporary and most don't like today's contemporary music in here)

TheScouser said:

Wtf

ratchetchan said:

Telephone is NOT LIVE like I said, dumbass. The bitch lips to that AUTOTUNED track.

Bitch, you don't run shit here. *punches you in your nigger nose*

Show me a song Gaga wrote by herself. Come on, DO IT.

And Gaga's non-singing half-dancing ass can NEVER come for Beyoncé. I can't wait until that bitch DIES on stage trying to do one-fourth of what Beyoncé does with ease and you idiots kill yourselves.

Calm down woman, its just music. You're acting like a child and somehow I can tell you're well into your adulthood

Seriously, it seems you need to grasp the concept of "varying opinions". Some people don't like Beyonce and a lot of the time with good reason too.

& the homophobic & racist comments were just downright unecessary and make you out to be a real bitch. I know you're trying to come across as a *~*~diva*~*~* here but you aren't, you're coming across as an ignorant, childish and bratty little bitch.

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And another thing...whenever a Beyoncé discussion(especially here) happens, there is never a really serious discussion because both sides don't respect the other side of the arguments. Perfect example: The Songwriting Debate. There have been many times where posts have been given to clarify things(i.e. Irreplaceable and Listen, I used them because a lot of people love to use that as examples to attack her credibility), even videos of the woman speaking on what contributes to her songs, yet still people not only dismissed them but dismiss only because it came from a "stan" pov or attack her contributions saying that it's not worth the credit that she given(Keep in mind that that others are credited with her, it's not just her alone). *SMH*

It's not about liking her music or performing style. That's their choice and since this is a Prince fan site, I don't expect everyone to like her approach to her craft. Someone big-upped Gaga's musicianship in this thread and yes, I do know that she does have musicianship(I have said this once in another thread to defend her) but I don't like her much of her music and I don't like the tone of her voice so even she was Prince in doing everything(lyric-writing, production, instrumentation, etc), it don't matter because of those reasons I named.

But the only reason why this is an argument is that Bey is everything that a lot of people don't like about contemporary R&B(Urban Top 40 so by nature it is pop music) in their minds. Well...this isn't the 60s, 70s, 80s and even 90s. Music changes, entertainment changes, even as it is pretty much a variation of the old. It will change from Bey's generation. She won't be contemporary forever.

This is what it is: Since Bey is contemporary and don't have the image of a serious musician

(Sasha Frere Jones spoke on this in an article once:

), some already have this perception of her and then if rumors are giving to support it, they will latch onto it even if it is not true. And guess what? And some aren't going to like it, but if I see something that is not true, I am correcting it. That's the way I am.

And another thing...people lol at this statement from the writer but I never hear any discussion on why? It's just insults and that's it. So when people talk about how "crazy" Bey's "stans" are, people need think about the why?

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Curtwill1975 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Yes, we all have different opinions. Some people i know do not like Little Richard or Bob Dylan or Jimi Hendrix very much. But i'm just like it's cool your opinion. I mean saying Beyonce is talentless i can't totally get behind that, she can sing. But to me she is nothing more then a modern artist's with a lot of hit's like GaGa or Katy Perry

Not that I agree with you because Bey has been in the record industry longer than the both of them together but since you say this: What do you think she has to do change this perception of her? Serious question, btw.

Well the first is write her on song's, branch out don't always stick with the norm. All about my man he better scoot scoot or love song's, it's been done to death, i was honest in saying i think the girl can sing. Beyonce has been around longer then these girl's valid point, But when i see artist's that keep racking up hit after hit after hit but with nothing to say ''COUGH'' NELLY'' COUGH'' lol

Then i loose interest, if she can write some better material, or sheesh even get people to write more complex songs, and give them credit i would probably dig the girl.

just my opinion of course

Gunsnhalen said:

Curtwill1975 said:

Not that I agree with you because Bey has been in the record industry longer than the both of them together but since you say this: What do you think she has to do change this perception of her? Serious question, btw.

Well the first is write her on song's, branch out don't always stick with the norm. All about my man he better scoot scoot or love song's, it's been done to death, i was honest in saying i think the girl can sing. Beyonce has been around longer then these girl's valid point, But when i see artist's that keep racking up hit after hit after hit but with nothing to say ''COUGH'' NELLY'' COUGH'' lol

Then i loose interest, if she can write some better material, or sheesh even get people to write more complex songs, and give them credit i would probably dig the girl.

just my opinion of course

Now there we go...constructive criticism. Good job. We actually talk about this on her site...she could branch out from the female empowerment message that she tends to do. I wouldn't mind a commentary song or even two.

Production could be more consistent and better. Her vocal arrangments almost always trumps it.

Curtwill1975 said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Well the first is write her on song's, branch out don't always stick with the norm. All about my man he better scoot scoot or love song's, it's been done to death, i was honest in saying i think the girl can sing. Beyonce has been around longer then these girl's valid point, But when i see artist's that keep racking up hit after hit after hit but with nothing to say ''COUGH'' NELLY'' COUGH'' lol

Then i loose interest, if she can write some better material, or sheesh even get people to write more complex songs, and give them credit i would probably dig the girl.

just my opinion of course

Now there we go...constructive criticism. Good job. We actually talk about this on her site...she could branch out from the female empowerment message that she tends to do. I wouldn't mind a commentary song or even two.

Production could be more consistent and better. Her vocal arrangments almost always trumps it.

Commentary song could be good, ow and the thing where she said she is going to make her own genre of music kind of turned me off to a little lol

But if Bey could branch out some more, i could probably dig her, cause i have actually tried to like her before and seeing her live she has a strong voice. It just need's to be put to good use

and not to sound like a hater but please no More GaGa collaborations

roseypink56 said:

MyLuv229 said:

Please excuse the nerd in me, but the temporal and occipital lobe are responsible for hearing and seeing, respectively -- not the frontal lobe. Carry on.

Loooooove this response!

ditto

Beyonce and Rihanna are both global pop icons. You don’t have to like them but accept the obvious.

Many members on this forum are in their own little world where they still think it’s 1985.

mancabdriver said:

Beyonce and Rihanna are both global pop icons. You don’t have to like them but accept the obvious.

Many members on this forum are in their own little world where they still think it’s 1985.

Oh how I wish. Let's see, there'd be real music on the radio, gas would be cheap, there'd be no reality TV, no reality TV "stars", no social networking (I love Facebook, but...), no Lindsay Lohan, no Justin Beiber, no Hollywood socialites, no Taylor Swift, no Kanye, no combining the names of a celebrity couple to everyone's annoyance (how much Bennifer and Brangelina can one take?), no becoming famous for doing something sleazy (and loving it), no people becoming famous because of YouTube (although I'm EXTREMELY happy for the homeless guy who's found work because of it), no Blackberrys, no touchphones, no I-Pads or mp3s, people would actually BUY albums instead of downloading them (legally or illegally), artists would have the satisfaction in knowing that their new material wouldn't be heard until it was actually released, more albums would actually have the chance to go platinum, I'd still be a kid with no responsibilities...shall I go on...?

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SEANMAN said:

mancabdriver said:

Beyonce and Rihanna are both global pop icons. You don’t have to like them but accept the obvious.

Many members on this forum are in their own little world where they still think it’s 1985.

Oh how I wish. Let's see, there'd be real music on the radio, gas would be cheap, there'd be no reality TV, no reality TV "stars", no social networking (I love Facebook, but...), no Lindsay Lohan, no Justin Beiber, no Hollywood socialites, no Taylor Swift, no Kanye, no combining the names of a celebrity couple to everyone's annoyance (how much Bennifer and Brangelina can one take?), no becoming famous for doing something sleazy (and loving it), no people becoming famous because of YouTube (although I'm EXTREMELY happy for the homeless guy who's found work because of it), no Blackberrys, no touchphones, no I-Pads or mp3s, people would actually BUY albums instead of downloading them (legally or illegally), artists would have the satisfaction in knowing that their new material wouldn't be heard until it was actually released, more albums would actually have the chance to go platinum, I'd still be a kid with no responsibilities...shall I go on...?

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I agree. I dislike the majority of pop music today but I still recognise that Beyonce is one the the worlds biggest pop stars. No question about it.