Militant said:

Alamine said:

ok K west got 10 grammy nods before,

No he didn't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/08/arts/music/08gram.html?fta=y

Kanye West received 10 nominations by working multiple jobs: as rapper on his album, "The College Dropout," and as a producer and songwriter for "The Diary of Alicia Keys." Both albums were nominated as album of the year, along with Ray Charles's collection of duets, "Genius Loves Company," Green Day's punk-rock concept album, "American Idiot," and Usher's rhythm-and-blues album "Confessions," which includes a duet with Ms. Keys.

Love Kanye but he's getting so overrated.

Alamine said:

Militant said:

No he didn't.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/08/arts/music/08gram.html?fta=y

Kanye West received 10 nominations by working multiple jobs: as rapper on his album, "The College Dropout," and as a producer and songwriter for "The Diary of Alicia Keys." Both albums were nominated as album of the year

This doesn't count. Eminem received 10 nominations for his own album.

Kanye did not produce the entire Alicia Keys album. In fact, he only produced ONE SONG.

So to try and claim that's his grammy nomination too? LMFAO, GET THE FUCK OUT WITH THAT BULLSHIT.

Militant said:

Alamine said:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/08/arts/music/08gram.html?fta=y

Kanye West received 10 nominations by working multiple jobs: as rapper on his album, "The College Dropout," and as a producer and songwriter for "The Diary of Alicia Keys." Both albums were nominated as album of the year

This doesn't count. Eminem received 10 nominations for his own album.

Kanye did not produce the entire Alicia Keys album. In fact, he only produced ONE SONG.

So to try and claim that's his grammy nomination too? LMFAO, GET THE FUCK OUT WITH THAT BULLSHIT.

You don’t like kanye it’s fine and clearly love you some eminem it’s okay . I love Both so it's all good lol.

babybugz said:

You don’t like kanye it’s fine and clearly love you some eminem it’s okay . I love Both so it's all good lol.

What? I do like Kanye. I own "The College Dropout" and "Late Registration" and I bought them both on the day they came out.

I just don't think he's the greatest hip-hop artist of the decade. I actually wouldn't give Eminem that title either, but I think he deserves it a LITTLE bit more than Kanye does.

But claiming that Alicia Keys grammy nomination belongs to Kanye because he produced ONE song on her album is just laughable.

So my original point still stands - Eminem has had 10 Grammy nods this year, and Kanye has never had that many.

Militant said:

babybugz said:

You don’t like kanye it’s fine and clearly love you some eminem it’s okay . I love Both so it's all good lol.

What? I do like Kanye. I own "The College Dropout" and "Late Registration" and I bought them both on the day they came out.

I just don't think he's the greatest hip-hop artist of the decade. I actually wouldn't give Eminem that title either, but I think he deserves it a LITTLE bit more than Kanye does.

But claiming that Alicia Keys grammy nomination belongs to Kanye because he produced ONE song on her album is just laughable.

So my original point still stands - Eminem has had 10 Grammy nods this year, and Kanye has never had that many.

I couldn’t tell you was getting a little heated so I was like it’s okay if you don't like him and I agree about Eminem but gotta give kanye props too but as far as lyricial Ability I wouldn't rank kanye.

rialb said:

purplesweat said:

Late Registration is probably his best overall work. Or his latest one.

Individual standout songs:

Hey Mama

Gold Digger

Stronger (Live at 08 Grammys)

Lost In The World

Monster

Good Life

All Falls Down

Jesus Walks

Street lights

All Of The Lights

Flashing lights (lol he makes good songs with the word "lights" clearly)

Can't Tell Me Nothing

Thanks for the recommendations. Now I'm off to youtube.

So, what did you think? Yay or Nay?

PDogz said:

TonyVanDam said:

The 2000's (2000-2009)

If THIS is about rhyme skills, then Eminem & Jay-Z are better candidates than Kanye.

If THIS is about music as an artform, then OutKast (Big Boi/Andre 3000) are better candidates than Kanye.

If THIS is about producing/beatmaking, then Timbaland is a better candidate that Kanye.

THE END.

I have no argument with any of that.

.

[Edited 12/20/10 16:07pm]

Beatmaking...Timbaland FAILED big time at doing anything artistic on his last album...he failed BIG TIME this year with Shock Wave 2....Kanye has him BEAT. I give it to Outkast for musically, but they only have really 2 albums together this past decade up against kanye's 4...not including Speakerboxxx/Love Below, because those were seperate solo like albums anyway. Rhyme skills...I give it to Eminem..he killed me this past decade lyrically....

Alamine said:

skywalker said:

Kanye West is this decade's version of Puffy. Hip Hop is in a bad place and the evidence is in what is being labeled "great".

No he is not this decades version of Puffy.

Then Em is this decades version of Vanilla Ice.

Wow....really horrible comparison wasnt it????? Sounds like someone that really does not know Kanye's catalog too well

Militant said:

As I understand it, Eminem's "Recovery" just got 10 Grammy nominations. That is pretty impressive from where I'm standing.

The voting members should get their brains recovered..

Militant said:

babybugz said:

You don’t like kanye it’s fine and clearly love you some eminem it’s okay . I love Both so it's all good lol.

What? I do like Kanye. I own "The College Dropout" and "Late Registration" and I bought them both on the day they came out.

I just don't think he's the greatest hip-hop artist of the decade. I actually wouldn't give Eminem that title either, but I think he deserves it a LITTLE bit more than Kanye does.

But claiming that Alicia Keys grammy nomination belongs to Kanye because he produced ONE song on her album is just laughable.

So my original point still stands - Eminem has had 10 Grammy nods this year, and Kanye has never had that many.

The more you post the dumber you get, just log off

Em is not even the best white hip hop artist of the decade, let alone even close to sharing that with K West based on the 5 points in the article

Based on the 5 points made in the article K West is the hip hop artist of the decade

Em does not have the entire package, and his white angst is played out, corny and contrived, Em sucks, he had one good album the rest sucked, he is a walking gimmick, he is this generations Pat Boone

Alamine said:

Em does not have the entire package, and his white angst is played out, corny and contrived, Em sucks, he had one good album the rest sucked, he is a walking gimmick, he is this generations Pat Boone

And the diss of the year award goes to...

Alamine said:

Militant said:

What? I do like Kanye. I own "The College Dropout" and "Late Registration" and I bought them both on the day they came out.

I just don't think he's the greatest hip-hop artist of the decade. I actually wouldn't give Eminem that title either, but I think he deserves it a LITTLE bit more than Kanye does.

But claiming that Alicia Keys grammy nomination belongs to Kanye because he produced ONE song on her album is just laughable.

So my original point still stands - Eminem has had 10 Grammy nods this year, and Kanye has never had that many.

The more you post the dumber you get, just log off

Em is not even the best white hip hop artist of the decade, let alone even close to sharing that with K West based on the 5 points in the article

Based on the 5 points made in the article K West is the hip hop artist of the decade

Em does not have the entire package, and his white angst is played out, corny and contrived, Em sucks, he had one good album the rest sucked, he is a walking gimmick, he is this generations Pat Boone

No...no..no.. I just dont agree with you about Eminem..however Kanye's music is a bit more experimental and musical than Eminem's..however lyrically..Eminem got him busted...it's a hard decision

Slim Shady LP vs. College Dropout

Marshall Mathers LP vs. Late Registration

Eminem Show vs. Graduation

Relapse vs. 808's & Heartbreak

Recovery vs. My Dark Twisted ....

Alamine said:

Militant said:

What? I do like Kanye. I own "The College Dropout" and "Late Registration" and I bought them both on the day they came out.

I just don't think he's the greatest hip-hop artist of the decade. I actually wouldn't give Eminem that title either, but I think he deserves it a LITTLE bit more than Kanye does.

But claiming that Alicia Keys grammy nomination belongs to Kanye because he produced ONE song on her album is just laughable.

So my original point still stands - Eminem has had 10 Grammy nods this year, and Kanye has never had that many.

The more you post the dumber you get, just log off

Em is not even the best white hip hop artist of the decade, let alone even close to sharing that with K West based on the 5 points in the article

Based on the 5 points made in the article K West is the hip hop artist of the decade

Em does not have the entire package, and his white angst is played out, corny and contrived, Em sucks, he had one good album the rest sucked, he is a walking gimmick, he is this generations Pat Boone

Hell, the majority of the so-called artists of that entire genre, both black and white, are comparable to Pat Boone....slow, dull, and rhythmless.

vainandy said:

Being the greatest in the dullest, most rhythmless genre in music history is no accomplishment.

my goosh you just hate hip hop..

what type of music do you like????

What WERE the top 5 reasons? I'm too lazy to cut and paste the thread.

murph said:

TonyVanDam said:

The 2000's (2000-2009)

If THIS is about rhyme skills, then Eminem & Jay-Z are better candidates than Kanye.

If THIS is about music as an artform, then OutKast (Big Boi/Andre 3000) are better candidates than Kanye.

If THIS is about producing/beatmaking, then Timbaland is a better candidate that Kanye.

THE END.

But if this is about someone who has been able to pull off all three, then it's West....

jack of all trades master at none...

i dont like his rhymes or actual music. I don't see what people are talking about.

TotalAlisa said:

vainandy said:

Being the greatest in the dullest, most rhythmless genre in music history is no accomplishment.

my goosh you just hate hip hop..

what type of music do you like????

Funk!

Alamine said:

The more you post the dumber you get, just log off

Em is not even the best white hip hop artist of the decade, let alone even close to sharing that with K West based on the 5 points in the article

Based on the 5 points made in the article K West is the hip hop artist of the decade

Em does not have the entire package, and his white angst is played out, corny and contrived, Em sucks, he had one good album the rest sucked, he is a walking gimmick, he is this generations Pat Boone

I'm dumb? You're the one that thinks Kanye deserves an "Album of the Year" Grammy nomination for an album where he produced ONE song.

It's OK, everyone can see you for what you really are.

Let's break it down:

Slim Shady LP vs. College Dropout

Marshall Mathers LP vs. Late Registration

Eminem Show vs. Graduation

Relapse vs. 808's & Heartbreak

Recovery vs. My Dark Twisted ....

Production for other ppl? Kanye over Em, for sure.

Kanye has yet to make ONE album as good as "Marshall Mathers LP". Hell, I fucking HATED "Relapse" and I still liked it more than wack ass, can't fucking sing for shit, "808's and Heartbreak".

Even Kanye himself would tell you that he ain't got shit on Eminem. If they ever battled, Eminem would win before Kanye even got a chance to spit.

[Edited 12/22/10 13:21pm]

No love for 808's I seen people that jump on his bandwagon during that release. It was mixed reviews , you find the hip hop heads that hate that album and others that liked it.

[Edited 12/22/10 14:26pm]

Militant said:

I'm dumb? You're the one that thinks Kanye deserves an "Album of the Year" Grammy nomination for an album where he produced ONE song.

It's OK, everyone can see you for what you really are.

Let's break it down:

Slim Shady LP vs. College Dropout

Marshall Mathers LP vs. Late Registration

Eminem Show vs. Graduation

Relapse vs. 808's & Heartbreak

Recovery vs. My Dark Twisted ....

Production for other ppl? Kanye over Em, for sure.

Kanye has yet to make ONE album as good as "Marshall Mathers LP". Hell, I fucking HATED "Relapse" and I still liked it more than wack ass, can't fucking sing for shit, "808's and Heartbreak".

Even Kanye himself would tell you that he ain't got shit on Eminem. If they ever battled, Eminem would win before Kanye even got a chance to spit.

[Edited 12/22/10 13:21pm]

purplesweat said:

rialb said:

Thanks for the recommendations. Now I'm off to youtube.

So, what did you think? Yay or Nay?

Well, I gave The College Dropout another spin and I liked it quite a bit more than I remembered. Most of those songs you listed were pretty good too but, and I know I sound like a tired old man living in the past, I can't help wishing that Kanye did not rely so heavily on samples. I just can't shake the feeling that I would dig him a lot more if he created brand new grooves rather than tweaking songs that someone else wrote.

I don't think I like his stuff enough to buy it but I probably will try to familiarise myself with more of his music.

Militant said:

Alamine said:

The more you post the dumber you get, just log off

Em is not even the best white hip hop artist of the decade, let alone even close to sharing that with K West based on the 5 points in the article

Based on the 5 points made in the article K West is the hip hop artist of the decade

Em does not have the entire package, and his white angst is played out, corny and contrived, Em sucks, he had one good album the rest sucked, he is a walking gimmick, he is this generations Pat Boone

I'm dumb? You're the one that thinks Kanye deserves an "Album of the Year" Grammy nomination for an album where he produced ONE song.

It's OK, everyone can see you for what you really are.

Let's break it down:

Slim Shady LP vs. College Dropout

Marshall Mathers LP vs. Late Registration

Eminem Show vs. Graduation

Relapse vs. 808's & Heartbreak

Recovery vs. My Dark Twisted ....

Production for other ppl? Kanye over Em, for sure.

Kanye has yet to make ONE album as good as "Marshall Mathers LP". Hell, I fucking HATED "Relapse" and I still liked it more than wack ass, can't fucking sing for shit, "808's and Heartbreak".

Even Kanye himself would tell you that he ain't got shit on Eminem. If they ever battled, Eminem would win before Kanye even got a chance to spit.

[Edited 12/22/10 13:21pm]

You mad.

Alamine said:

You mad.

Yes, I tend to get a little frustrated by idiotic trolls who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It's OK. You're just a child. Obviously.

Militant said:

Alamine said:

You mad.

Yes, I tend to get a little frustrated by idiotic trolls who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It's OK. You're just a child. Obviously.

You seem to have issues with anyone who doesn't believe that eminem isn't the greatest rapper in the game.

Kanye West might be the hottest hip hop artist at the moment. His new album is going off. But the decade goes all the way back to 2000. I was younger in 2000 and more "hip" to the contemporary music scene. Back in the early 2000s, Eminem was like Michael Jackson to the kids. He was massive. Every party I went to was blasting the Marshall Mathers LP and later The Eminem Show. Both massive, massive albums. I wasn't going to many parties in 1983 (I was like, 3), but I imagine it was the same with Thriller. You couldn't go anywhere in 1983 without hearing that album. It was the same thing when the Marhsall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show were out. Maybe not the same thing, but as close as young people of the early 2000s got to it. Eminem is not only the greatest hip-hop artist of the decade, he is the artist of the decade. I believe sales-wise that is true. But also popularity-wise, importance-wise, all the wise. I don't think many artists, hip-hop or otherwise came close to Eminem in the 2000s.

[Edited 12/22/10 23:35pm]

Dude, 808s and Heartbreak shits all over Relapse. That album was a boring pile of dreck. At least Kanye took some chances and tried something different with 808s. It's a very enjoyable album to listen to, especially when it's loud. And really, dissing Kanye's "singing", when he KNOWS he's not a singer, is kind of pointless.

Better MC, Em. Better lyricist, Em. More insteresting, willing to take artistic chances and make artistic statements, Ye. But I'm still not sure either of them deserve any kind of "best of the decade" title.

DarlingDiana said:

Kanye West might be the hottest hip hop artist at the moment. His new album is going off. But the decade goes all the way back to 2000. I was younger in 2000 and more "hip" to the contemporary music scene. Back in the early 2000s, Eminem was like Michael Jackson to the kids. He was massive. Every party I went to was blasting the Marshall Mathers LP and later The Eminem Show. Both massive, massive albums. I wasn't going to many parties in 1983 (I was like, 3), but I imagine it was the same with Thriller. You couldn't go anywhere in 1983 without hearing that album. It was the same thing when the Marhsall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show were out. Maybe not the same thing, but as close as young people of the early 2000s got to it. Eminem is not only the greatest hip-hop artist of the decade, he is the artist of the decade. I believe sales-wise that is true. But also popularity-wise, importance-wise, all the wise. I don't think many artists, hip-hop or otherwise came close to Eminem in the 2000s.

[Edited 12/22/10 23:35pm]

Define greatest. Seems like your definition rests solely on popularity. By that definition, Taylor Swift is the greatest artist of 2010.

A lot more goes into greatness than popularity.

vainandy said:

DarlingDiana said:

Kanye West might be the hottest hip hop artist at the moment. His new album is going off. But the decade goes all the way back to 2000. I was younger in 2000 and more "hip" to the contemporary music scene. Back in the early 2000s, Eminem was like Michael Jackson to the kids. He was massive. Every party I went to was blasting the Marshall Mathers LP and later The Eminem Show. Both massive, massive albums. I wasn't going to many parties in 1983 (I was like, 3), but I imagine it was the same with Thriller. You couldn't go anywhere in 1983 without hearing that album. It was the same thing when the Marhsall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show were out. Maybe not the same thing, but as close as young people of the early 2000s got to it. Eminem is not only the greatest hip-hop artist of the decade, he is the artist of the decade. I believe sales-wise that is true. But also popularity-wise, importance-wise, all the wise. I don't think many artists, hip-hop or otherwise came close to Eminem in the 2000s.

[Edited 12/22/10 23:35pm]

Having been 12-14 yrs old during his peak, I totally agree with this. He was MASSIVE, definitely the biggest artist around, but what's shocking to me is how quickly he was forgotten and just not needed back on the scene. He got into people's minds by making fun of the still relevant teen pop scene then by attacking his critics by showing them up for the hypocrites most of them are.

Once he had nothing left to say, he was done. Yes, he's successful again now, but he's not important like he was when The Real Slim Shady came out or Lose Yourself when he was truly making statements.

I feel like the same might happen with Kanye. What's interesting about him if he's just another rapper talking about his wealth and success? The thing that makes people separate Kanye from the rest is his social awareness and how his views are raw, opinionated and sometimes out of line/annoying - yet he's usually right.

Doesn't that sound exactly like Eminem back in the day?

Rappers NEED something to talk about to succeed. Artists should spark debate and discussion.

[Edited 12/23/10 3:37am]