TD3 said:

Out of 60 million people 7.7 million are illegally downloading.

Yep, the sky is falling.

Probably the same amount who are unemployed or working yet still living below the poverty line.

When I was financially secure I used to buy 5-10 albums per week, had thousands of them. Now my situation has changed, I still love music but I can't afford to buy it at the moment. Therefore I download, nothing I'm proud of and I'm not waving the pro-download flag. It's just something that I have no choice in at the moment.

One thing though, if I hear an album I enjoy I do TRY to see the artist in concert. A particularly good band will get some of the little spare cash I have one way or the other.

pacey68 said:

TD3 said:

Out of 60 million people 7.7 million are illegally downloading.

Yep, the sky is falling.

Probably the same amount who are unemployed or working yet still living below the poverty line.

When I was financially secure I used to buy 5-10 albums per week, had thousands of them. Now my situation has changed, I still love music but I can't afford to buy it at the moment. Therefore I download, nothing I'm proud of and I'm not waving the pro-download flag. It's just something that I have no choice in at the moment.

One thing though, if I hear an album I enjoy I do TRY to see the artist in concert. A particularly good band will get some of the little spare cash I have one way or the other.

i think its probably the bad economy causing EVERYTHING to decline.... but i don't buy music anymore cause im not interested in anything out right now.... and i don't download anything either... cause im not interested at all...

now if janet jackson comes out with an album i will buy....

The international sabotage of the Iranian nuclear program via the Stuxnet Computer Virus, the hijacking of Google by the Chinese government, Wikileak's disbursement of classified US documents, denial-of-service attacks, Net Neutrality, high powered corporate self interest lobbying, national security, threats to commerce, piracy, privacy concerns, malware, spyware, worms...........

Like everything good, people will abuse it and find a way to ruin it for everybody. Big big changes are coming our way and it will forever change a very very good thing.

The people who participate in illicit, malicious and nefarious efforts will continue to do so, but sadly this means everyone else will be subjected to a internet that will be far less free and much more costly.

Some people are still under the naive impression in thinking that nothing can be done about it. You will soon see how wrong they are.

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vainandy said:

Illegal downloads are the best thing to happen to the music industry in the last 20 years. It's the only thing that's going to eventually drive the bullshit out of style. Download on motherfuckers, download on! Don't stop until the record label executives go so broke that they have to live in the ghetto among the thugs they helped to raise with their shit hop bullshit.

you have zero morals obviously. If I knew where you lived I would sneak into your house and help myself to whatever I wanted for free. what's the difference? It's easy for you to say when you aren't losing your job like so many in the music industry. The major labels aren't hurt it's the independents who are hurt

People who illegally download music are simply bad people and reap what you sow.

pacey68 said:

TD3 said:

Out of 60 million people 7.7 million are illegally downloading.

Yep, the sky is falling.

Probably the same amount who are unemployed or working yet still living below the poverty line.

When I was financially secure I used to buy 5-10 albums per week, had thousands of them. Now my situation has changed, I still love music but I can't afford to buy it at the moment. Therefore I download, nothing I'm proud of and I'm not waving the pro-download flag. It's just something that I have no choice in at the moment.

One thing though, if I hear an album I enjoy I do TRY to see the artist in concert. A particularly good band will get some of the little spare cash I have one way or the other.

trying to justify your stealing is even worse. You have no right to steal that music. If you can't afford it you shouldn't have it

TotalAlisa said:

the record labels are reaping what they sow they ripped off 100s of artist NOW THEY'RE getting ripped off....

i personally don't care.... honestly why should music artist be millionares... there jobs arent any harder then every day people who work 40 hours a week.... so NO i don't care... it will humble a lot of celebrities....

very naive. the record labels aren't being hurt and you are a moron. I hope somebody steals your next paycheck since you "don't care" about other people's income

Mong said:

vainandy said:

Illegal downloads are the best thing to happen to the music industry in the last 20 years. It's the only thing that's going to eventually drive the bullshit out of style. Download on motherfuckers, download on! Don't stop until the record label executives go so broke that they have to live in the ghetto among the thugs they helped to raise with their shit hop bullshit.

What a stupid thing to say.

agreed plain stupid, selfish and unethical

vainandy said:

Illegal downloads are the best thing to happen to the music industry in the last 20 years. It's the only thing that's going to eventually drive the bullshit out of style. Download on motherfuckers, download on! Don't stop until the record label executives go so broke that they have to live in the ghetto among the thugs they helped to raise with their shit hop bullshit.

Irving Azoff already said thanks to downloaders, ticket prices will just be kept high.

The recording industry itself isn't going to feel it. They'll just keep suing housewives for just enough money so they can be in some "don't download" PSA.

The artists, songwriters, and customers are going to feel it.People aren't buying CDs anymore. Some retail stores that used to have thousands of CDs a couple of years ago, might have 2 shelves for music. Neighborhood music stores have either gone out of business or forced to relocate, and rely more on website traffic. Most chain stores are gone, even though in most major cities, you can still get what you want.

People have been downloading off of different sites for over a decade now. Most people have music libraries, so going after someone in 2010 for downloading Prince's back catalog is kind of pointless. To me, it's no different than if I bought his entire back catalog at a used store. He wouldn't see a dime of my money either way. I remember Garth Brooks trying to fight that one a while ago. At least getting a CD from a library means your taxes bought it, and you can enjoy it as long as it's playable.

The only way for a musician to have their music out there is to put it in all sorts of stores, or incorporate it into different purchases.

How is someone like Edgar Bronfman Jr, who also gets money from Seagrams, going to go broke? He's prob. giving Warner Bros to his son to run.Warners is making most of their money from Harry Potter and Twilight franchises, so if you think downloading is going to make an ounce of difference to them, it really isn't. You can see for yourself at the movie theater. And you're not going to stop a teenage girl from her Pattinson crush and money spent on related movie memorabilia.

If you like something enough to listen to it more than 3 times, buy it. Even if you wound up with a glitch free FLAC copy, you should send some business their way if you like what they do. Buy a t-shirt at least.

V10LETBLUES said:

The international sabotage of the Iranian nuclear program via the Stuxnet Computer Virus, the hijacking of Google by the Chinese government, Wikileak's disbursement of classified US documents, denial-of-service attacks, Net Neutrality, high powered corporate self interest lobbying, national security, threats to commerce, piracy, privacy concerns, malware, spyware, worms...........

Like everything good, people will abuse it and find a way to ruin it for everybody

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I am confused, are you in favour of the things you listed, or against?

ISF said:

V10LETBLUES said:

The international sabotage of the Iranian nuclear program via the Stuxnet Computer Virus, the hijacking of Google by the Chinese government, Wikileak's disbursement of classified US documents, denial-of-service attacks, Net Neutrality, high powered corporate self interest lobbying, national security, threats to commerce, piracy, privacy concerns, malware, spyware, worms...........

Like everything good, people will abuse it and find a way to ruin it for everybody

[Edited 12/18/10 19:34pm]

I am confused, are you in favour of the things you listed, or against?

I am saying that piracy is among all of the abuses that will lead to eventual use of a heavier hand by not just the US, but governments everywhere.

Piracy was the first sign of things to come. But was ignored because of the newness of the media, a wait and see approach was involved, and basically people do not give a f*ck about pop music, rock stars and record executives.

But the problem was always much deeper than that. It is only now that more people are starting to see the scope of internet related issues that need to be addressed.

I just love that about internet!

It is not government ruled, it has no artificial borders, deficits in international law makes it anassailable, it will change our perspectives on every subject!

So exciting

Have no strong moral opinion about music downloads.

And you can fight free downlaods, however, it won't be extinct. There will allways be poor people. And internet enriches artists and musicians the same way it enhances any craft. I think artists will have to go with the flow.

Work the oppurtunities in stead of fighting the inevitable.

dJJ said:

I just love that about internet!

It is not government ruled, it has no artificial borders, deficits in international law makes it anassailable, it will change our perspectives on every subject!

So exciting

Have no strong moral opinion about music downloads.

And you can fight free downlaods, however, it won't be extinct. There will allways be poor people. And internet enriches artists and musicians the same way it enhances any craft. I think artists will have to go with the flow.

Work the oppurtunities in stead of fighting the inevitable.

The internet was originally governed by the US department of defense. Then "kinda" handed it off to the US department of commerce. It is now governed by a board dedicated to keeping it as free as possible, but still very much under the US dept of commerce. Don't kid yourself.

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Really? Did not know that. How do they govern it then? And what power can they exceed? Can they pull the plug? In what way?

dJJ said:

Really? Did not know that. How do they govern it then? And what power can they exceed? Can they pull the plug? In what way?

Through Icann, based in California. The official body that ultimately controls the development of the internet thanks to its oversight of web addresses such as .com, .net and .org

They cannot pull the plug over every aspect of it, and do not really control it. In 2009 the US relinquished some control over it to the international community. But as you saw last month, they can take over a domain and shut it down as they did with sites involved in piracy in November.

All of the websites were suspended as a result of actions of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency which represents the Department of Homeland Security.

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V10LETBLUES said:

dJJ said:

Really? Did not know that. How do they govern it then? And what power can they exceed? Can they pull the plug? In what way?

They cannot pull the plug over every aspect of it, and do not really control it. In 2009 the US relinquished some control over it to the international community. But as you saw last month, they can take over a domain and shut it down as they did with sites involved in piracy in November.

All of the websites were suspended as a result of actions of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency which represents the Department of Homeland Security.

The US seized assets and Web sites belonging to people authorities say operated illegal file-sharing sites.

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Sorry, mist that one. What sites did the US government shut down then.

And does that really help? I mean, you can close one port, however, in another country, another port will open immediatly.

And that is what I mean: People need to start thinking without borders and boundaries due to internet.

internet is the new kingdom!

dJJ said:

V10LETBLUES said:

They cannot pull the plug over every aspect of it, and do not really control it. In 2009 the US relinquished some control over it to the international community. But as you saw last month, they can take over a domain and shut it down as they did with sites involved in piracy in November.

All of the websites were suspended as a result of actions of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency which represents the Department of Homeland Security.

The US seized assets and Web sites belonging to people authorities say operated illegal file-sharing sites.

[Edited 12/19/10 10:11am]

Sorry, mist that one. What sites did the US government shut down then.

And does that really help? I mean, you can close one port, however, in another country, another port will open immediatly.

And that is what I mean: People need to start thinking without borders and boundaries due to internet.

internet is the new kingdom!

As it stands now, no It doesn't help and do not think current efforts can succeed.

But sadly that is why I think there will be more and more governments intervention so they can play a more active part in sorting data transferred to all of our screens and devices.

[Edited 12/19/10 10:37am]

V10LETBLUES said:

dJJ said:

Really? Did not know that. How do they govern it then? And what power can they exceed? Can they pull the plug? In what way?

They cannot pull the plug over every aspect of it, and do not really control it. In 2009 the US relinquished some control over it to the international community. But as you saw last month, they can take over a domain and shut it down as they did with sites involved in piracy in November.

All of the websites were suspended as a result of actions of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency which represents the Department of Homeland Security.

The US seized assets and Web sites belonging to people authorities say operated illegal file-sharing sites.

[Edited 12/19/10 10:11am]

So, this has stopped downloading, right? The US goverment shut down the domain of Wikleaks, to my surprised banners and hyperlinks appeared in places I would've never dreamed of, click.

When you give up rights without a challenge under the guise, it's to keep "use" safe those rules are used for other purposes. What happened that case -US seized assets and Web sites - is long from over.

The Sixth Circuit Cout of Appeals ruling on US v. Warshack came to what is being called a landmark decision following briefs filed by civil liberties groups inlcuding the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF). In the briefs, the court was urged that the seizure of email without a warrent represented a violation of the "Fouth Amendment Right" that apply to post mail and telephone calls. I have no doubt this will be true in the future for Website domain's.

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Funny that people saying the illegal downloading will help stop crap music coming out, it's actually kind of the opposite. The fact that people have stopped buying music is what is making record companies and labels release music that is going to make quick returns. Singles, gimmicks and crap that teens will buy or people will buy because it's funny etc etc...

Labels are scared to invest time and money into good music because they are scared that it might not 'work' so they keep doing these things that will just get quick returns.

Even if you disagree and you're complaining that music is 'crap these days', don't buy it then. Buy who you like and what you like, but buy it.

Business is about making something cost as little as possible to make/produce and sell it for as much as possible. That's business. You can't be against that.. surely?

HomeSquid said:

TotalAlisa said:

the record labels are reaping what they sow they ripped off 100s of artist NOW THEY'RE getting ripped off....

i personally don't care.... honestly why should music artist be millionares... there jobs arent any harder then every day people who work 40 hours a week.... so NO i don't care... it will humble a lot of celebrities....

very naive. the record labels aren't being hurt and you are a moron. I hope somebody steals your next paycheck since you "don't care" about other people's income

SHUT THE FUCK UP........ and the labels are being hurt... THEY ARE LOSING OUT ON MONEY AND SALES... obviously if they weren't why make such a big deal... Your the MORON... "Home Squid"

What the F**K kind of screen name is that...

HomeSquid said:

Mong said:

What a stupid thing to say.

agreed plain stupid, selfish and unethical

awww are you working for a record label... WELL GUESS WHAT TOO BAD.....

I see your hurting... obviously because your taking the whole illegal downloading so personal....

You seem very proud of the fact that you're extremely ignorant.

TD3 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

They cannot pull the plug over every aspect of it, and do not really control it. In 2009 the US relinquished some control over it to the international community. But as you saw last month, they can take over a domain and shut it down as they did with sites involved in piracy in November.

All of the websites were suspended as a result of actions of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency which represents the Department of Homeland Security.

The US seized assets and Web sites belonging to people authorities say operated illegal file-sharing sites.

[Edited 12/19/10 10:11am]

So, this has stopped downloading, right? The US goverment shut down the domain of Wikleaks, to my surprised banners and hyperlinks appeared in places I would've never dreamed of, click.

When you give up rights without a challenge under the guise, it's to keep "use" safe those rules are used for other purposes. What happened that case -US seized assets and Web sites - is long from over.

The Sixth Circuit Cout of Appeals ruling on US v. Warshack came to what is being called a landmark decision following briefs filed by civil liberties groups inlcuding the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF). In the briefs, the court was urged that the seizure of email without a warrent represented a violation of the "Fouth Amendment Right" that apply to post mail and telephone calls. I have no doubt this will be true in the future for Website domain's.

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[Edited 12/19/10 10:46am]

The UK government request providers to block porn. The main argument is that kids get exposed to porn and it has a negative influence on their sexual development.

I support their action, I think porn is derogatory to women (and oftentimes man too) and the addiction to internetporn wracks a lot of lives.

However, I also doubt their action, because who decides for who? And were's the line? I strongly oppose censurship. And even with good intentions, this is censorship.

Governments can request providers to block free exchange of music and music videos. However, where do you draw the line? Do we want governments to rule over the content of internet?

I understand musicians and photographers their loss of income. However, is that not just how capitalist systems work? The system that Americans are so proud of, because of the claim of freedom it cultivates.

I support Wikileaks, because it forces governments to stop lying and manipulating to the civilians. I'm against censorship; not one person has the ultimate wisdom, and therefore cannot rule over another person.

I'm interested in your opinions

[Edited 12/20/10 5:32am]

HomeSquid said:

vainandy said:

Illegal downloads are the best thing to happen to the music industry in the last 20 years. It's the only thing that's going to eventually drive the bullshit out of style. Download on motherfuckers, download on! Don't stop until the record label executives go so broke that they have to live in the ghetto among the thugs they helped to raise with their shit hop bullshit.

you have zero morals obviously. If I knew where you lived I would sneak into your house and help myself to whatever I wanted for free. what's the difference? It's easy for you to say when you aren't losing your job like so many in the music industry. The major labels aren't hurt it's the independents who are hurt

People who illegally download music are simply bad people and reap what you sow.

Shit hop is what put musicians out of a job, not downloading. So if the shit hop artists and the people at the labels who push and promote shit hop go broke, it's more than fair because they shouldn't have had that job in the first place since none of them are musicians. They killed music with their computers so it's only fair and fitting that computers kill their careers as well. Whatever contributes to the death of shit hop, I'm all for. And no, I don't give a damn if it's wrong because I want shit hop dead by any means necessary.

Identity said:

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Link

December 16, 2010

The number of people downloading music illegally is rising in the UK, according to new figures.

A new report commissioned by the British Recorded Music Industry (BPI) states that around 7.7 million people in the UK choose not to buy their music legally, with a total of 1.2 billion tracks illegally downloaded in 2010.

Speaking about the results of the report, BPI Chief Executive Geoff Taylor called illegal downloading a "parasite that threatens to deprive a generation of talented young people of their chance to make a career in music".

He added that new legislation is "urgently needed" over the matter, reports BBC News.

However, earlier this year the BPI revealed that the amount of money the music industry made from legal downloads was also on the rise. This year sales were at £154M ($240M) compared with £101.5M ($158M) in 2008.

According to the new report the amount of illegal downloads in 2010 has cost the UK music industry £219M ($342M).

That link doesn't go to this article, but what you quoted there doesn't surprise me.

Unfortunately it proves that the recording industry still doesn't get it.

Mong said:

You seem very proud of the fact that you're extremely ignorant.

STAY OUT OF IT....

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im not the one illegally downloading stuff.. IF i do download stuff... its music that is out of print... and hard to find the cd... so no one is losing anything...

all the artist that i love, I SUPPORT THEM.. and buy the album... NOT buy the mp3 downloads... I ACTUALLY GO OUT AND PURCHASE THE CD......

TotalAlisa said:

Mong said:

You seem very proud of the fact that you're extremely ignorant.

PUNK STAY OUT OF IT....

im not ignorant about anything... YOU ARE DON'T AGREE WITH MY VIEWS... Liike i really give a damn.... so your quick to label it ignorant.

like i said.... I DON'T CARE IF RECORD LABELS ARE LOSING MONEY... they have cheated artist out of money since they first started.....

EVERYTHING COMES TO AN END SOMETIME... and they can't get away with taking advantage of people's hard work... you should know about it right.. .AREN'T YOU A RPINCE FAN... THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE F*** THEY DID THE PRINCE AND HOW THEY TRIED TO SCREW HIM OVER....

Sort your spelling and grammar out. Are you 5?

China, Cuba and Venezuela have good laws against free information exchange, also on internet. Would not want that.

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TotalAlisa said:

Mong said:

You seem very proud of the fact that you're extremely ignorant.

PUNK STAY OUT OF IT....

im not ignorant about anything... YOU ARE DON'T AGREE WITH MY VIEWS... Liike i really give a damn.... so your quick to label it ignorant.

like i said.... I DON'T CARE IF RECORD LABELS ARE LOSING MONEY... they have cheated artist out of money since they first started.....

EVERYTHING COMES TO AN END SOMETIME... and they can't get away with taking advantage of people's hard work... you should know about it right.. .AREN'T YOU A RPINCE FAN... THEN YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT THE F*** THEY DID THE PRINCE AND HOW THEY TRIED TO SCREW HIM OVER....

Well, it's so nice of you to be that much concerned with Prince his income. However, that does not entitle you to become rude to other people? Being loud and showing the finger is merely showing your incapability to converse. It's considered a sign of waekness. If you want yourself to get heard it's more effective to listen to people in stead of roaring.

Artists are gonna have to focus on touring.You can't download a live performance.You can't get into an arena without buying a ticket.Smart artists already know this.