CalhounSq said:

only In America would a Momma Name Her Baby Bell&Only Here would She Make Money talking about Madonna with all Pen&plenty of Hooks with No Hook there to sell Her Essay.I think Don King could Promote Bell Hooks&Madonna in the Square Circle.when Bell Hooks Loses then She will get Her true Calling as a Staff Writer for the Jerry Springer Show.and also Bell Hooks can also write the Final Thoughts Section I bet She could write a Full Essay on that??

mistermaxxx said:

OH LAWD...

remembering all future Maxxx arguments are based purely on entertainmant value...




jive ass edit.
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CalhounSq said:

well you brought up Don King??and Remember Bell Sold Her Wolf Pappers using Madonna's name.Bell Hooks Sold Her Lies on Entertainment Value&called Madonna a Name with no Prove.

mistermaxxx, we cool peeps but this is really tired.

okay you've made it clear that you disagree with bell hooks's essay, although you've only been able to express this disagreement with emotional outbursts rather than addressing the points she raises head on.

Your next strategy was to suggest that hooks was using Madonna as a career move, demonstrating that you have absolutely NO knowledge of who bell hooks is. And to further emphasize your ignorance by stating:



Her birth name is Gloria Watkins. She took on the name bell hooks as a pen-name and career name as a tribute to her grandmother. Very much like Prince goes by his first name alone or Madonna goes by hers.
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[This message was edited Sat Feb 8 1:41:00 PST 2003 by NuPwrSoul]

to help you out:

http://www.education.miam...hooks.html

bell hooks (nee Gloria Watkins) is Distinguished Professor of English at City College in New York. Born in Hopkinsville, Kentucky in 1952, hooks, received her B.A. from Stanford University in 1973, her M.A. in 1976 from the University of Wisconsin and her Ph.D. in 1983 from the University of California, Santa Cruz.

Although hooks is mainly known as a feminist thinker, her writings cover a broad range of topics on gender, race, teaching and the significance of media for contemporary culture. She strongly believes that these topics cannot be dealt with as separately, but must be understood as being interconnectedness. As an example, she refers to the idea of a "White Supremacist Capitalist Patriarchy" and its interconnectedness, rather than to its more traditionally separated and component parts.

A passionate scholar, hooks is among the leading public intellectuals of her generation.

hooks/Watkin's use of a pseudonym is intended to honor both her grandmother (whose name she took) and her mother, as well as provide her the opportunity to establish a separate voice from the person Gloria Watson.

hooks, like Paulo Freire, sees education as the practice of freedom. Profoundly influenced by Freire, she sees his ideas as affirming her "right as a subject in resistance to define reality." (Teaching to Trangress , p. 53).

For hooks: "teaching is a performative act... that offers the space for change, invention, spontaneous shifts, that can serve as a catalyst drawing out the unique elements in each classroom." (Ibid, p. 11)

For an interview with hooks see:

bell hooks (Orlo Interview) http://www.teleport.com/~...hooks.html

Other useful web sites include:

Pema Chödrön & bell hooks Talk Over Life and All Its Problems http://www.shambhalasun.com/pema.html

Postmodern Blackness (bell hooks) http://www.sas.upenn.edu/...Blackness_ 18270.html

Those interested in reading hooks' ideas on education and teaching are probably best served by first reading * Teaching to transgress : education as the practice of freedom (1994).

Works by bell hooks

Hooks, Bell. Ain't I a woman : Black women and feminism. Boston, MA: South End Press, 1981.

Hooks, Bell. Feminist theory from margin to center. Boston, MA: South End Press, 1984.

Hooks, Bell. Talking back: thinking feminist, thinking black. Boston, MA: South End Press, 1989.

Hooks, Bell. Talking back: thinking feminist, thinking black. 1st ed. Toronto, Ont., Canada: Between the Lines, 1989.

Hooks, Bell. Yearning: race, gender, and cultural politics. Boston, MA: South End Press, 1990.

Hooks, Bell. Yearning: race, gender, and cultural politics. 1st ed. Toronto, Ont., Canada: Between-the-Lines, 1990.

Hooks, Bell, and Cornel West. Breaking bread: insurgent Black intellectual life . Boston, MA: South End Press, 1991.

Hooks, Bell. Black looks: race and representation. Boston, MA: South End Press, 1992.

Hooks, Bell. Sisters of the yam: black women and self-recovery. Boston, MA: South End Press, 1993.

*Hooks, Bell. Teaching to transgress: education as the practice of freedom. New York: Routledge, 1994.

Hooks, Bell. Outlaw culture: resisting representations . New York: Routledge, 1994.

Hooks, Bell. Art on my mind: visual politics. New York: New Press : Distributed by W.W. Norton, 1995.

Hooks, Bell. Killing rage: ending racism . 1st ed. New York: H. Holt and Co., 1995.

Hooks, Bell. Bone Black: memories of girlhood. 1st ed. New York: Henry Holt and Co., 1996.

Hooks, Bell. Reel to real: race, sex, and class at the movies . New York, NY: Routledge, 1996.

Hooks, Bell. Wounds of passion: a writing life. 1st ed. New York: H. Holt, 1997.

Hooks, Bell, and Christopher Raschka. Happy to be nappy. 1st ed. New York: Hyperion Books for Children, 1999.

Hooks, Bell. Remembered rapture: the writer at work. 1st ed. New York: Henry Holt, 1999.

Works About bell hooks

Florence, Namulundah. Bell Hooks' engaged pedagogy : a transgressive education for critical consciousness Critical studies in education and culture series. Westport, Conn.: Bergin & Garvey, 1998.
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NuPwrSoul said:

you Know I haven't said much to you&that is for a Reason this is the 2nd time you have Called Me Ignorant you are the So-Called Teacher but yet you are the One calling someone names?what is your Beef Son? where do you get off?what's your Agenda Homie?you only taking up for Bell Hooks Because She is Black&trying to Save Her Rudeness&False Lies about Madonna.you need to Read that title that Clearly says Bell Hooks essay Calling Madonna A Racist'.to me that is very Loaded&has no Merit.She hasn't made no Points about Madonna.ask yourself if Bell Hooks American? is Madonna AMerican? do we live in a Society that you can Manipulate&Gain Knowledge&are allowed to interact with Other Cultures?? if you answer Yes than what has Bell Hooks proved on Madonna?She is Jelousy of Madonna&used Her as Bait to sell Wolf Tickets.next time you call someone Ignorant you need to Look at the Man in the Mirrior your Damn Self Partner.you ain't even trying to match Brain Power with Me.I'm just as African as you&Sharper as a American too see the Jive that Bell Hooks was Pimping Here to Make Madonna Her Goat.like I Said after this Week I ain't talking about this Subject no More.for you to even take Sides with this Article is insulting to white Folks&also to Black Folks because Madonna ain't the Problem&She also is a Pop Artist just doing Her thing.You My Friend ake yourself look bad trying to defend something that Madonna ain't even about.since you wanna school me on Bell Hooks well then I'll School you on Madonna Louise Cicconne Born August 16,1958.you talked too Much Crap Homie.

mistermaxxx said:

wonders how we've ended up back in THIS space...

mistermaxxx said:

mistermaxxx...let it go...lawd. Bell Hooks isn't jealous of Madonna. That's a lame argument. Maybe if you had a better argument this would be more interesting.

crazy ass fuckin' thread

mistermaxxx said:

Okay, I meant no offense, but did not have any other word for it. You made a statement that "who would name their child 'bell,'" indicating that you did not know that bell was not her given name. You then used that as one of the bases to slam her. Not knowing = ignorant in a non-loaded way. Let me know if you come up with another word for it.

NuPwrSoul said:

so I was wrong with Her Pen Name&I admit that&truth be told I read this Story 8 Years ago&didn't pay it much attention because I Know Wolf tickets when i see them.I Know I'm a Intelligent Black Man Period&also on this Thread the Wisest.you can't argue my points back.let me flip the script say for Instance White Writer Amy Linden who covers nothing but Mainly R&B Artists wrote Essay Donna Summers a Racist.she used the Fact that Donna went to Europe&worked with Nothing but Eorpean Producers&associated with mainly European Men&also established Herself over in Europe but came back here&Maintained Her Roots as a Black Artist.you see whatever you say about Madonna you can say about Donna Summers but you know what ain't nobody gonna justify that.and once again a Term with Racist in it can cause alot of Harm.if you got a Kid&they see this&know what it means how do you explain a Person Accussing someone of Being Racist without Prove?I Slammed Bell Hooks from Jump street because this is Wrong&She has no Merit.matter of fact She wrote this Piece back in 92&She picked the wrong Person.Bill Clinton would have been a better pick IMHO if She wanted to make Head way with Me.when I'm Wrong I'll be the first to admit but this ain't it.How dare anyone go for a Writer picking on a Pop Artist to Symbolize things we Have dealt with for 400 Years&Still do?if She wanted to Say Elvis then I Might could understand on a certain level but Madonna??

Rhondab said:

what's the matter you can't deal with the fact that Bell Hooks was wrong? I made the most sense on this.Look at the Heading?? Calling Madonna a Racist!!! did you see that?? did you see that??? I'm attacking it personally yes I am because you can't Suagrcoat a Headline like that.the only reason why I Brought up Don King&other Names into the Argument was because I was playing along with CalhounSQ on this TOpic but in no way was I running from the Seriousness of the Topic at hand.I Feel Bell Hooks who is a Talented Writer is Dead Wrong here&when you use a Title like that to Sell Wolf Tickets you better have Madonna hanging out with Pat Bucannon,David Duke,etc...&Show Her at a Klan Rally or something than Just throwing up things that can be said for any American.that My Friend is Lame&Wrong.

mistermaxxx said:

I think if you read my posts on this thread you would see that I have not drawn any conclusions based on what bell hooks has argued... my only point has been that she raises important questions that should not be dismissed outright.

If Donna Summers was being hailed as some kind of pioneer, or if she was manipulating long held cultural tropes about Europeans in her work, then a similar analysis of her would be worthy.

NuPwrSoul said:

Donna Summers is Considered the Queen of Disco but we already know why nobody is gonna write on Donna Summers? Donna was To the Disco Era what Madonna is to her Era but you Know what? you don't Call her Racist&you don't Call Madonna One either.because you can Raise Many Points about Any Artist Black or White but when you call them a Name outright then you gotta back it up is all I say.unless Madonna pulled a Trent Lott or said something along the Lines of Jimmy "The Greek" or Al Campanis,etc.. then the points are meritless IMHO.Liek I've said Before you are a Very Intelligent Cat&Man I truly Enjoy your Posts but this time we are as different as Night&Day&that's cool.you are a Strong Minded Brother&So Am I but we jsut differ on the Point being raised here.Peace

its Donna Summer not Summers gotdammit!!

rdhull said:

ROFLMMFAO!!

The entertaining drama on this thread aside, where in the article does Bell Hooks come straight out and call Madonna a "racist"? The subject line is a tad loaded.

Moreso I feel Bell eloquently expresses the lack of level playing field and the position of priviledge Madonna finds herself in. It is this inequality which is perceived "racist" rather than Madonna's lack of altruistic sensitivity. She is presented as a symbolic effect of the problem rather than a major cause IMO.

Essence said:

what problem... hard work, talent, and brilliant self-promotion are a problem now when it comes to getting ahead?

AaronUnlimited said:

The problem = the unequal racist playing field that is society as a whole and in this case specifically the music industry, but you knew that.

Essence said:

uh huh. i did know that. but i wanted someone to say it so i could wholly reject it. Whitney Houston? Prince? Dr. Dre? Puff Daddy? Michael Jackson? Janet Jackson? All of these people have of have had what Madonna has.