wonder505 said:

Curtwill1975 said:

That's a case of Jackson haters trying to have their cake and eat it too because one of the things that people tend to say of JJ is that if she wasn't a Jackson, she wouldn't be famous which is ridiculous because it was when she broke from her dad is when she became Janet. But that's what haters do. Nothing is amount of logic is going to get them see their foolishness.

And as for Jody, that wouldn't surprise me either. I actually liked Jody. Looking for a new love is my fave song from her. Though I have always seen Bey closer to Vanessa Williams(allmusic has VW as a musical influence of Bey's) than Jody, very versatile(can ride a beat vocally and try on different genres) though VW is not a "wailer" and growler like Bey is. But that's the closet comparision that I can truly think of for Beyonce and an artist from the 80s.

Oh come on, if she wasn't a Jackson, with that weak voice of hers, she would not have been presented to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Her name got her in touch with the best producers in the land. Her success is a matter of name, luck, determination, good dancing skills and excellent producers.

[Edited 2/8/11 10:44am]

Okay, so why didn't the Jackson name work for the others? You would think that all of them would be stars, not just Michael and JJ. Right? Wrong. You already made reference to her determination, and yes she had great producers but she also had something to work with vocally. Some people would argue that she could be mono-tone but she has light, sweet tone which worked for the songs that she sang and she could emote with her tone even as light as it is. In fact, one of the reasons why I always prefered her ballads over her uptempos is because her tone possessed a dual sensibility of senuality and vulnerable. And I am a Bey fan saying this and feel she is the better vocalist because I didn't like her cover performance of 'Let's Wait A while" because she bludgeoned the song with too many runs: http://www.youtube.com/wa...Ouq3ceCW8E Of course, she was young then and didn't have the understanding that she has now in terms of effectively using her vocal dynamics as she does now.

Having a big voice or a super agile voice don't always = a great vocalist, it's musicianship first and Janet had that. I mean, she's not Billie Holiday but she don't need to be. For her lane, she was fine and worked with what she had.

Janet's voice is stronger than Billie Holiday's.

ThePopLover2 said:

wonder505 said:

Oh come on, if she wasn't a Jackson, with that weak voice of hers, she would not have been presented to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Her name got her in touch with the best producers in the land. Her success is a matter of name, luck, determination, good dancing skills and excellent producers.

[Edited 2/8/11 10:44am]

Then Maybe we should talk about everyone else's career in the Jackson Family, besides MJ and Janet .

Exactly.

The nepotism argument will always fail. Poor haters!

Bless your heart

Ignorance is a Bliss

Damned Children

For anyone who says that beyonce can't SING, need their minds checked, that's incorrect , The woman obviously can sing and anyone who says the contrary is in denial....

Janet already made mark in the music industry , and made her impact , you people on an unofficial prince website( which i love of course) cannot rewrite history , she is there with the greats, accept it and move on.

midiscover said:

Janet's voice is stronger than Billie Holiday's.

That's not my point, this was: it's musicianship first and Janet had that. I mean, she's not Billie Holiday but she don't need to be

Meaning a vocalist don't necessarily need the big voice to be a great vocalist. Musicianship is more much important. I was defending Jan by saying this. LOL@ Bless your heart

Curtwill1975 said:

ThePopLover2 said:

You sure can't, because one has something over the other. And that is Talent. Janet was even taking control of her own career before Bey did! You simply stated that Beyonce is halfway through Janet's career and I simply replied "Ehh, Negative". And the Albums I stated broke GROUND for other artist. What did DIL,B-day, and I...am do?

Not exactly. You can argue for Janet being the better all-around performer(because she's not a bad vocalist, actually) but Bey is the better vocalist and the more acclaimed one too. There is a reason why the woman has 8 vocal performance song Grammys to her name and yes, I know you are going to re-interate that she bought them but that's crazy thinking especially considering the one award she could buy, the Walk of Fame, she don't have. She is arguably the best female vocal arranger of her generation(age group 20-30) and her songs are built off of them no matter who the producer is. The only other one you can argue from this aspect especially in Contemporary R&B is Brandy(who is one record for giving Bey her due for vocal arrangments and vice-versa from Bey).

Also, as for your last question, the ground that she is broke is this: Musically, Beyonce’s best work takes the Hip Hop-meets-60’s soul sound pioneered by Lauryn Hill, and makes it danceable, club-ready, and pop-oriented. Listen to “Crazy in Love,” Beyonce’s crowning achievement musically, and you hear many of the same retro-influenced elements present in Hill’s “Do Wop (That Thing);” particularly the raw, live instrumentation, and those insistent, Motown-inspired horns that anchor the song. And while Dangerously in Love may be Beyonce’s most impactful album, B-Day is unquestionably her best, as she explores this interesting balancing act over the course of the entire record. Live instrumentation was employed for most of the songs on B-Day, as well as some sampling from 60’s and 70’s soul artists like Curtis Mayfield and Betty Wright, and they blend perfectly with a contemporary, fiery hip hop production style that gives the album a rich and musical, yet radio-ready personality; Ike and Tina-meets-Swizz Beats, if you will. Recorded in only two weeks, and comprised of just ten songs, the album’s brevity and clear vision give it a cohesiveness rarely found in most mainstream, pop albums.

http://www.blackyouthproj...e-beyonce/

It's a sound that I affectionally call...Pop & Soul. In fact, read the whole blog entry that I posted in here[I didn't write it, someone else did and express what I am saying better than I ever could], it's very good stuff and shows the impact she has had on entertainment, music and the industry in general. In fact, look at Allmusic.com...I will post from them in fact: http://www.allmusic.com/a...ce-p349078 and http://www.allmusic.com/a...ld-p278369

Under the influences, if you count, you will 39 various artists influenced(followed) by her going back to her DC days. Not to mention, there are others(like Amerie, Adele, Jennifer Hudson, Maroon Five, Miley Cyrus, and Katherine McPhee for example). Oh yeah, even Toby Gad talked about how he grew up with Bey's music and that she(as well as Brandy) are influential to him also: http://www.youtube.com/wa...MQW9uMB_14

And yes, I know Janet is under both lists of who Bey is influenced by musically. Again, you have this impression that I am saying Bey>>>Janet. What I am saying, and been saying, time and again, about Bey's impact on music with her work. To deny that is to akin to a Beyoncé stan calling Janet, Trannet and ignoring her work because they are focus on stanwars rather than being objective about each artists/entertainers work. And I go on the fact that Bey, since 1997 has had a top 5 song on the BB 100 charts or that she is the only artist who has a #1 song for 10 consecutive weeks on that same chart as part of a group and as a solo artist, and that she has most weeks at #1 on that chart for a female artist last decade as well as being second all-time for a female(behind Mariah) and then having the most Grammy nominations for a female artist also. But those things won't convince you of her impact on music because your focus is to debate Janet's greatness over Bey's. You are doing the very thing that Jermaine Dupri did when he made that swipe at Bey.

One thing I agree with Alisa, if Janet never sold another record, it won't matter because her legacy is secure and I feel the same way about Beyoncé believe it or not.

I dont think you WANT me to bring up Janet's Chart success, AT all.lol

Because we wont even talk about Janet Dominating Every Billboard chart. You dont understand that Beyonce is not oringinal, what-so ever.Yeah Janet may've got an idea from MJ but it goes vice versa as well.But Beyonce even admitted to copying OTHER artist! You're talking about 39 various artist, Every Female Singer that Incorporates Dance and R&B-pop, Janet has PAVED the way for, whether they're inspired or not.And Those people that Are "Inspired" by Beyonce, Heck more power to her, But they Don't Ripp Off Beyonce Like they have done Janet.You're talking about Hip-Hop and Soul, Do you not realize that If it wasnt for JANET'S Control Album

,There would not even be R&B Singers that singer Over Hip Hop beats?Such as MJB, Keyshia Cole?

My point is this, Beyonce May be up Top, But She has a LONG way to go to become Janet Jackson status, Silly thing like "Grammys" don't determine a Legend, Because Bob Marley is a legend and he didnt get ONE.

You The artist, has to pay a fine to be in the walk of fame.

Curtwill1975 said:

wonder505 said:

Oh come on, if she wasn't a Jackson, with that weak voice of hers, she would not have been presented to Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Her name got her in touch with the best producers in the land. Her success is a matter of name, luck, determination, good dancing skills and excellent producers.

[Edited 2/8/11 10:44am]

Okay, so why didn't the Jackson name work for the others? You would think that all of them would be stars, not just Michael and JJ. Right? Wrong. You already made reference to her determination, and yes she had great producers but she also had something to work with vocally. Some people would argue that she could be mono-tone but she has light, sweet tone which worked for the songs that she sang and she could emote with her tone even as light as it is. In fact, one of the reasons why I always prefered her ballads over her uptempos is because her tone possessed a dual sensibility of senuality and vulnerable. And I am a Bey fan saying this and feel she is the better vocalist because I didn't like her cover performance of 'Let's Wait A while" because she bludgeoned the song with too many runs: http://www.youtube.com/wa...Ouq3ceCW8E Of course, she was young then and didn't have the understanding that she has now in terms of effectively using her vocal dynamics as she does now.

Having a big voice or a super agile voice don't always = a great vocalist, it's musicianship first and Janet had that. I mean, she's not Billie Holiday but she don't need to be. For her lane, she was fine and worked with what she had.

I do not think she's a good singer and there is nothing in a trillion years you could do to change my opinion on that, are you really arguing with someone about Janet's singing and the other silbings can't dance and they did not have JJ and TL. IMO. when i speak of Janet's determination is that she knew she would be michael's sister, she made that clearto JJ and TL of her interest to develop her own sound....you have producers that actually cared to. don't make them like that anymore.

[Edited 2/8/11 15:02pm]

wonder505 said:

ThePopLover2 said:

Then Maybe we should talk about everyone else's career in the Jackson Family, besides MJ and Janet .

like i said great dancing skills and excellent producers.

And that Includes Janet . It didnt occur to you that it wasnt until after JANET started co-producing her music, her career took off?

ThePopLover2 said:

Curtwill1975 said:

Not exactly. You can argue for Janet being the better all-around performer(because she's not a bad vocalist, actually) but Bey is the better vocalist and the more acclaimed one too. There is a reason why the woman has 8 vocal performance song Grammys to her name and yes, I know you are going to re-interate that she bought them but that's crazy thinking especially considering the one award she could buy, the Walk of Fame, she don't have. She is arguably the best female vocal arranger of her generation(age group 20-30) and her songs are built off of them no matter who the producer is. The only other one you can argue from this aspect especially in Contemporary R&B is Brandy(who is one record for giving Bey her due for vocal arrangments and vice-versa from Bey).

Also, as for your last question, the ground that she is broke is this: Musically, Beyonce’s best work takes the Hip Hop-meets-60’s soul sound pioneered by Lauryn Hill, and makes it danceable, club-ready, and pop-oriented. Listen to “Crazy in Love,” Beyonce’s crowning achievement musically, and you hear many of the same retro-influenced elements present in Hill’s “Do Wop (That Thing);” particularly the raw, live instrumentation, and those insistent, Motown-inspired horns that anchor the song. And while Dangerously in Love may be Beyonce’s most impactful album, B-Day is unquestionably her best, as she explores this interesting balancing act over the course of the entire record. Live instrumentation was employed for most of the songs on B-Day, as well as some sampling from 60’s and 70’s soul artists like Curtis Mayfield and Betty Wright, and they blend perfectly with a contemporary, fiery hip hop production style that gives the album a rich and musical, yet radio-ready personality; Ike and Tina-meets-Swizz Beats, if you will. Recorded in only two weeks, and comprised of just ten songs, the album’s brevity and clear vision give it a cohesiveness rarely found in most mainstream, pop albums.

http://www.blackyouthproj...e-beyonce/

It's a sound that I affectionally call...Pop & Soul. In fact, read the whole blog entry that I posted in here[I didn't write it, someone else did and express what I am saying better than I ever could], it's very good stuff and shows the impact she has had on entertainment, music and the industry in general. In fact, look at Allmusic.com...I will post from them in fact: http://www.allmusic.com/a...ce-p349078 and http://www.allmusic.com/a...ld-p278369

Under the influences, if you count, you will 39 various artists influenced(followed) by her going back to her DC days. Not to mention, there are others(like Amerie, Adele, Jennifer Hudson, Maroon Five, Miley Cyrus, and Katherine McPhee for example). Oh yeah, even Toby Gad talked about how he grew up with Bey's music and that she(as well as Brandy) are influential to him also: http://www.youtube.com/wa...MQW9uMB_14

And yes, I know Janet is under both lists of who Bey is influenced by musically. Again, you have this impression that I am saying Bey>>>Janet. What I am saying, and been saying, time and again, about Bey's impact on music with her work. To deny that is to akin to a Beyoncé stan calling Janet, Trannet and ignoring her work because they are focus on stanwars rather than being objective about each artists/entertainers work. And I go on the fact that Bey, since 1997 has had a top 5 song on the BB 100 charts or that she is the only artist who has a #1 song for 10 consecutive weeks on that same chart as part of a group and as a solo artist, and that she has most weeks at #1 on that chart for a female artist last decade as well as being second all-time for a female(behind Mariah) and then having the most Grammy nominations for a female artist also. But those things won't convince you of her impact on music because your focus is to debate Janet's greatness over Bey's. You are doing the very thing that Jermaine Dupri did when he made that swipe at Bey.

One thing I agree with Alisa, if Janet never sold another record, it won't matter because her legacy is secure and I feel the same way about Beyoncé believe it or not.

I dont think you WANT me to bring up Janet's Chart success, AT all.lol

Because we wont even talk about Janet Dominating Every Billboard chart. You dont understand that Beyonce is not oringinal, what-so ever.Yeah Janet may've got an idea from MJ but it goes vice versa as well.But Beyonce even admitted to copying OTHER artist! You're talking about 39 various artist, Every Female Singer that Incorporates Dance and R&B-pop, Janet has PAVED the way for, whether they're inspired or not.And Those people that Are "Inspired" by Beyonce, Heck more power to her, But they Don't Ripp Off Beyonce Like they have done Janet.You're talking about Hip-Hop and Soul, Do you not realize that If it wasnt for JANET'S Control Album

,There would not even be R&B Singers that singer Over Hip Hop beats?Such as MJB, Keyshia Cole?

My point is this, Beyonce May be up Top, But She has a LONG way to go to become Janet Jackson status, Silly thing like "Grammys" don't determine a Legend, Because Bob Marley is a legend and he didnt get ONE.

You The artist, has to pay a fine to be in the walk of fame.

You still completely missed my point. I am done because my point was not to compare the two but to show the impact that Bey's music has had on her generation and to show why at the end of the day, her album will be consider classics for her generation, even if you personally don't think so because you don't like it. Everything that I said was to support it and yet you're so bent on trying to prove Janet's "legend" which I have already stated that she is that you missed it.

Completely and it's a shame. You don't have to convince me of Janet's greatness. I am not here for that. I was trying to explain to you, why I disagree with you on your viewpoint on Bey's work but since you're missing it, I will say anymore. Have a great day.

wonder505 said:

SEANMAN said:

She's never claimed to be a singer of Whitney-esque proportions. She does well with and is versatile with the range that she does have. your opinion. i don't think she's a great singer.

Fact: Janet wrote the lyrics to and came up with the melody of That's The Way Love Goes, her biggest #1 I highly doubt she penned that alone, (especially with Rene around...sorry) plus that song/melody was heavily sampled. I don't know the the original but I've heard that same groove in one or two hip hop songs.

Fact: Janet solely wrote Black Cat, another #1, and co-produced it with Jellybean Johnson maybe, the only song that i notice she's solely credited for, and I do love that song.

Fact: Janet came up with the melody for and co-wrote If doesn't mean its true.

Fact: Janet writes often, and has penned the lyrics to several songs on her CDs more hype.

Fact: Janet wrote the lyrics to "All For You", her 2nd biggest #1 i doubt it.

It's not hype. And, her last album was a rushed project financed by a label that, at the end of the day, didn't have her best interest at heart. The reason there are usually such large gaps in between her albums is that SHE'S the one pouring her life experiences into the lyrics and themes. Great excuse.

let's agree to disagree.

[Edited 2/8/11 12:53pm]

you so funny

Curtwill1975 said:

ThePopLover2 said:

I dont think you WANT me to bring up Janet's Chart success, AT all.lol

Because we wont even talk about Janet Dominating Every Billboard chart. You dont understand that Beyonce is not oringinal, what-so ever.Yeah Janet may've got an idea from MJ but it goes vice versa as well.But Beyonce even admitted to copying OTHER artist! You're talking about 39 various artist, Every Female Singer that Incorporates Dance and R&B-pop, Janet has PAVED the way for, whether they're inspired or not.And Those people that Are "Inspired" by Beyonce, Heck more power to her, But they Don't Ripp Off Beyonce Like they have done Janet.You're talking about Hip-Hop and Soul, Do you not realize that If it wasnt for JANET'S Control Album

,There would not even be R&B Singers that singer Over Hip Hop beats?Such as MJB, Keyshia Cole?

My point is this, Beyonce May be up Top, But She has a LONG way to go to become Janet Jackson status, Silly thing like "Grammys" don't determine a Legend, Because Bob Marley is a legend and he didnt get ONE.

You The artist, has to pay a fine to be in the walk of fame.

You still completely missed my point. I am done because my point was not to compare the two but to show the impact that Bey's music has had on her generation and to show why at the end of the day, her album will be consider classics for her generation, even if you personally don't think so because you don't like it. Everything that I said was to support it and yet you're so bent on trying to prove Janet's "legend" which I have already stated that she is that you missed it.

Completely and it's a shame. You don't have to convince me of Janet's greatness. I am not here for that. I was trying to explain to you, why I disagree with you on your viewpoint on Bey's work but since you're missing it, I will say anymore. Have a great day.

I Guess

wonder505 said:

Curtwill1975 said:

Okay, so why didn't the Jackson name work for the others? You would think that all of them would be stars, not just Michael and JJ. Right? Wrong. You already made reference to her determination, and yes she had great producers but she also had something to work with vocally. Some people would argue that she could be mono-tone but she has light, sweet tone which worked for the songs that she sang and she could emote with her tone even as light as it is. In fact, one of the reasons why I always prefered her ballads over her uptempos is because her tone possessed a dual sensibility of senuality and vulnerable. And I am a Bey fan saying this and feel she is the better vocalist because I didn't like her cover performance of 'Let's Wait A while" because she bludgeoned the song with too many runs: http://www.youtube.com/wa...Ouq3ceCW8E Of course, she was young then and didn't have the understanding that she has now in terms of effectively using her vocal dynamics as she does now.

Having a big voice or a super agile voice don't always = a great vocalist, it's musicianship first and Janet had that. I mean, she's not Billie Holiday but she don't need to be. For her lane, she was fine and worked with what she had.

I do not think she's a good singer and there is nothing in a trillion years you could do to change my opinion on that, are you really arguing with someone about Janet's singing and the other silbings can't dance and they did not have JJ and TL. IMO. when i speak of Janet's determination is that she knew she would be michael's sister, she made that clearto JJ and TL of her interest to develop her own sound....you have producers that actually cared to. don't make them like that anymore.

[Edited 2/8/11 15:02pm]

U can think whatever you want about her singing, slim. But, for you to say that Janet is where she is today (icon) totally because of her name and luck is asinine. She went straight to the top and became a pop icon because she is Janet. She can sing, dance, and has stage presence up the wazoo. Solely being Michael Jackson's sister is not enough to get you to the stratosphere...ask Latoya and Rebbie. She hooked up with Jimmy and Terry, who were as hungry as she was to break big, and with Control, they did it together. The end.

[Edited 2/8/11 17:21pm]

SEANMAN said:

wonder505 said:

I do not think she's a good singer and there is nothing in a trillion years you could do to change my opinion on that, are you really arguing with someone about Janet's singing and the other silbings can't dance and they did not have JJ and TL. IMO. when i speak of Janet's determination is that she knew she would be michael's sister, she made that clearto JJ and TL of her interest to develop her own sound....you have producers that actually cared to. don't make them like that anymore.

[Edited 2/8/11 15:02pm]

U can think whatever you want about her singing, slim. But, for you to say that Janet is where she is today (icon) totally because of her name and luck is asinine. She went straight to the top and became a pop icon because she is Janet. She can sing, dance, and has stage presence up the wazoo. Solely being Michael Jackson's sister is not enough to get you to the stratosphere...ask Latoya and Rebbie. She hooked up with Jimmy and Terry, who were as hungry as she was to break big, and with Control, they did it together. The end.

[Edited 2/8/11 17:21pm]

Did I say ONLY because of her name and luck??? , or did I say, name, luck, determination, great dancing skills, and excellent producers, which I have addressed in my previous posts that her other siblings did not have. And just because someone does not hold Janet on this high pedastle like you do, does not make their opinion asinine. that's pretty childish and immature. we just see things differently in what made janet successful. i dont think what you say is asinine, its just your opinion and I respect that.

[Edited 2/8/11 17:32pm]

Who is this Curtwill character?

wonder505 said:

SEANMAN said:

U can think whatever you want about her singing, slim. But, for you to say that Janet is where she is today (icon) totally because of her name and luck is asinine. She went straight to the top and became a pop icon because she is Janet. She can sing, dance, and has stage presence up the wazoo. Solely being Michael Jackson's sister is not enough to get you to the stratosphere...ask Latoya and Rebbie. She hooked up with Jimmy and Terry, who were as hungry as she was to break big, and with Control, they did it together. The end.

[Edited 2/8/11 17:21pm]

Did I say ONLY because of her name and luck??? , or did I say, name, luck, determination, great dancing skills, and excellent producers, which I have addressed in my previous posts that her other siblings did not have. And just because someone does not hold Janet on this high pedastle like you do, does not make their opinion asinine. that's pretty childish and immature. we just see things differently in what made janet successful. i dont think what you say is asinine, its just your opinion and I respect that.

[Edited 2/8/11 17:32pm]

You're trying WAY too hard. Janet made it because she has "IT". She's the total package great singer, dancer, performer, actress, writer, etc. You don't make it because of a name and luck. People don't get by that fast in the industry. If Janet made it by her name then her other siblings should have some sort of relevancy in music but they don't. If she made it by luck she would only have one blockbuster album.

You seem to be running out of ideas. Maybe, you should dig up and look for another lame ass reason to discredit Janet for her success.

trueiopian said:

wonder505 said:

Did I say ONLY because of her name and luck??? , or did I say, name, luck, determination, great dancing skills, and excellent producers, which I have addressed in my previous posts that her other siblings did not have. And just because someone does not hold Janet on this high pedastle like you do, does not make their opinion asinine. that's pretty childish and immature. we just see things differently in what made janet successful. i dont think what you say is asinine, its just your opinion and I respect that.

[Edited 2/8/11 17:32pm]

You're trying WAY too hard. Janet made it because she has "IT". She's the total package great singer, dancer, performer, actress, writer, etc. You don't make it because of a name and luck. People don't get by that fast in the industry. If Janet made it by her name then her other siblings should have some sort of relevancy in music but they don't. If she made it by luck she would only have one blockbuster album.

You seem to be running out of ideas. Maybe, you should dig up and look for another lame ass reason to discredit Janet for her success.

Yall are trying WAY TOO HARD to change my opinion and yall keeping repeating the same things I have already addressed. it aint gonna work. She's not a great singer but a great dancer with great producers, her acting is OKAY, and I believe she took more credit for her songwriting than what actually happened. Yall not gonna change MY OPINION.

wonder505 said:

trueiopian said:

You're trying WAY too hard. Janet made it because she has "IT". She's the total package great singer, dancer, performer, actress, writer, etc. You don't make it because of a name and luck. People don't get by that fast in the industry. If Janet made it by her name then her other siblings should have some sort of relevancy in music but they don't. If she made it by luck she would only have one blockbuster album.

You seem to be running out of ideas. Maybe, you should dig up and look for another lame ass reason to discredit Janet for her success.

Yall are trying WAY TOO HARD to change my opinion and yall keeping repeating the same things I have already addressed. it aint gonna work. She's not a great singer but a great dancer with great producers, her acting is OKAY, and I believe she took more credit for her songwriting than what actually happened. Yall not gonna change MY OPINION.

It's NOT an opinion. It's just non-sense.

No one cares if you feel she's not a great singer, that's your subjective opinion. Janet is one of those great producers and JJ & TL will tell you that they weren't shit before they started working with Janet.

No one's here for what you "believe". She never took more credit for her songwriting if anything she hardly took enough.

It's so funny to see the same usual trolls come in a Janet thread and say the exact same shit every time. Come up with something new for a change. We've heard it all before.

trueiopian said:

wonder505 said:

Yall are trying WAY TOO HARD to change my opinion and yall keeping repeating the same things I have already addressed. it aint gonna work. She's not a great singer but a great dancer with great producers, her acting is OKAY, and I believe she took more credit for her songwriting than what actually happened. Yall not gonna change MY OPINION.

It's NOT an opinion. It's just non-sense.

No one cares if you feel she's not a great singer, that's your subjective opinion. Janet is one of those great producers and JJ & TL will tell you that they weren't shit before they started working with Janet.

No one's here for what you "believe". She never took more credit for her songwriting if anything she hardly took enough.

It's so funny to see the same usual trolls come in a Janet thread and say the exact same shit every time. Come up with something new for a change. We've heard it all before.

Jesus stopped being a drama queen. This is a forum for opinions. I don't care if no one cares that I don't think she is a great singer, OBVIOUSLY you care that I don't and it obviously bothers you. I don't care who believes what I believe, this a free forum and i'm going to post my opinion whether you like it or not. And who's a troll, why don't you look at my history on the Org and show me evidence of trolling. Yall are hilarious, all of this over janet. i thought I was bad with Prince but yall are seriusly hurt. it aint that serious.

[Edited 2/8/11 18:01pm]

wonder505 said:

trueiopian said:

It's NOT an opinion. It's just non-sense.

No one cares if you feel she's not a great singer, that's your subjective opinion. Janet is one of those great producers and JJ & TL will tell you that they weren't shit before they started working with Janet.

No one's here for what you "believe". She never took more credit for her songwriting if anything she hardly took enough.

It's so funny to see the same usual trolls come in a Janet thread and say the exact same shit every time. Come up with something new for a change. We've heard it all before.

Jesus stopped being a drama queen. This is a forum for opinions. I don't care if no one cares that I don't think she is a great singer, OBVIOUSLY you care that I don't and it obviously bothers you. I don't care who believes what I believe, this a free forum and i'm going to post my opinion whether you like it or not. And who's a troll, why don't you look at my history on the Org and show me evidence of trolling. Yall are hilarious, all of this over janet. i thought I was bad with Prince but yall are seriusly hurt. it aint that serious.

[Edited 2/8/11 18:01pm]

Don't say y'all, suga, 'cause I ain't hardly hurt. I actually find you hilarious.

SEANMAN said:

wonder505 said:

Jesus stopped being a drama queen. This is a forum for opinions. I don't care if no one cares that I don't think she is a great singer, OBVIOUSLY you care that I don't and it obviously bothers you. I don't care who believes what I believe, this a free forum and i'm going to post my opinion whether you like it or not. And who's a troll, why don't you look at my history on the Org and show me evidence of trolling. Yall are hilarious, all of this over janet. i thought I was bad with Prince but yall are seriusly hurt. it aint that serious.

[Edited 2/8/11 18:01pm]

Don't say y'all, suga, 'cause I ain't hardly hurt. I actually find you hilarious.

that's good to know. i find this whole back and forth hilarious, another interesting day on the Org.

wonder505 said:

trueiopian said:

It's NOT an opinion. It's just non-sense.

No one cares if you feel she's not a great singer, that's your subjective opinion. Janet is one of those great producers and JJ & TL will tell you that they weren't shit before they started working with Janet.

No one's here for what you "believe". She never took more credit for her songwriting if anything she hardly took enough.

It's so funny to see the same usual trolls come in a Janet thread and say the exact same shit every time. Come up with something new for a change. We've heard it all before.

Jesus stopped being a drama queen. This is a forum for opinions. I don't care if no one cares that I don't think she is a great singer, OBVIOUSLY you care that I don't and it obviously bothers you. I don't care who believes what I believe, this a free forum and i'm going to post my opinion whether you like it or not. And who's a troll, why don't you look at my history on the Org and show me evidence of trolling. Yall are hilarious, all of this over janet. i thought I was bad with Prince but yall are seriusly hurt. it aint that serious.

[Edited 2/8/11 18:01pm]

Why are you still trolling?

trueiopian said:

wonder505 said:

Jesus stopped being a drama queen. This is a forum for opinions. I don't care if no one cares that I don't think she is a great singer, OBVIOUSLY you care that I don't and it obviously bothers you. I don't care who believes what I believe, this a free forum and i'm going to post my opinion whether you like it or not. And who's a troll, why don't you look at my history on the Org and show me evidence of trolling. Yall are hilarious, all of this over janet. i thought I was bad with Prince but yall are seriusly hurt. it aint that serious.

[Edited 2/8/11 18:01pm]

Why are you still trolling?

so i'm trolling now cuz we see things differently? hey i respect you and everyone else's opinion though we differ, like i said, its not that serious.

[Edited 2/8/11 18:25pm]

wonder505 said:

trueiopian said:

Why are you still trolling?

so i'm trolling now cuz we see things differently? hey i respect you and everyone else's opinion though we differ, like i said, its not that serious.

[Edited 2/8/11 18:25pm]

Stating that Janet made it by her name isn't an opinion. You're just misinformed.

trueiopian said:

wonder505 said:

so i'm trolling now cuz we see things differently? hey i respect you and everyone else's opinion though we differ, like i said, its not that serious.

[Edited 2/8/11 18:25pm]

Stating that Janet made it by her name isn't an opinion. You're just misinformed.

i didn't state that was the only reason, it was part of many reasons and yes that is an opinion which is okay to not agree with.

[Edited 2/8/11 18:42pm]

back in 2006 janet was #7 richest celebrity women in the world with a career worth 150 million

[Edited 2/9/11 18:47pm]

HAPPYPERSON said:

back in 2006 janet was #7 richest celebrity women in the world with a career worth 150 million

[Edited 2/9/11 18:47pm]

How is she worth 150million dollars when she has almost sold 150million records? Is that what they're basing it off of? Record Sales?

ThePopLover2 said:

wonder505 said:

let's agree to disagree.

[Edited 2/8/11 12:53pm]

I agree with ALL the BOLDED parts in your post.

you so funny

wonder505 said:

trueiopian said:

Stating that Janet made it by her name isn't an opinion. You're just misinformed.

i didn't state that was the only reason, it was part of many reasons and yes that is an opinion which is okay to not agree with.

[Edited 2/8/11 18:42pm]

I think you made yourself very clear. You did NOT say that it was her "name" that was the only reason for Janet's success. You mentioned determination, great producers, her dancing, etc.

Free2BMe said:

ThePopLover2 said:

I agree with ALL the BOLDED parts in your post.

you so funny

Who asked you? Peasant, be gone.

Janet's name doesn't mean a thing and her siblings will co-sign me on that.

Also DEAD at the usual pressed suspects bringing up the most tired excuses of Janet's fame, success and fortune. So upset that they don't even want to admit that she's talented. Poor them.