Free2BMe said:

I have always believed that Jimmy Jam gave Janet MORE credit than she deserved for songwriting. Notice that I said Jimmy Jam because Terry Lewis never did that. I also believe that Rene Elizonda wrote most of the song lyrics that janet is credited with writing. All you have to do is listen to her songs AFTER she and Rene broke up. The content is not there. Btw, I thought this even before Rene came out and said that he wrote a lot of her hits and she finally HAD to ADMIT that it was true. Btw, Janet has 10-15 years on Beyonce in the music business and she has accomplished a lot of great things. However, that does not take away from the incredible success that Beyonce has achieved during a relative short time in the industry. Bey definently deserves the title of "Icon" or "Diva". She is not a clone of Janet. She is so much more than a clone of JJ. Now, if you want to talk about clones, speak of people like Britney. Beyonce is in a different class. Yes, Beyonce has mentioned Janet as a influence, however, she has mentioned MIchale MUCH MORE as an influence in virtually EVERY interview that she has done since Destiny's Child. I see nore of Michael's influence on Bey than I do Janet. Of course, this is my opinion.

Is this your way of thinking?

I weep for your future. Lawd, knows I do.

Btw, Rene did claim he wrote it but his dumbass didn't get shit but 10 million in assets and that had nothing to do with royalties. It was the amount of money Janet was worth in 1986. Janet has never admitted to Rene's shitty claims, she just laughed at him. Because any credit he got was under Janet's name so she was laughing all the way to the bank.

SEANMAN said:

musicjunky318 said:

Beyonce has had just as much success as Janet at this point I don't know what the hell yal are talking about. Only difference is in age and career-length. Talent is subjective but most people polled would agree Weave is the better singer while Jackson is the better dancer. I personally don't give either of them serious credit when it comes to writing ability. Too many slashes in the song titles if you know what I mean.

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And yet you champion the trainwreck that is Britney Spears, who's basically the white clone of Janet Jackson? Kids. Lawdy...

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Oh like Janet's an original that drew no inspiration from anywhere? It just ALL began with her?

musicjunky318 said:

SEANMAN said:

And yet you champion the trainwreck that is Britney Spears, who's basically the white clone of Janet Jackson? Kids. Lawdy...

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Oh like Janet's an original that drew no inspiration from anywhere? It just ALL began with her?

Shitney didn't draw inspiration, hun. She was created by a label as a Janet clone.

Janet is the first of her kind and the rest follow.

musicjunky318 said:

SEANMAN said:

And yet you champion the trainwreck that is Britney Spears, who's basically the white clone of Janet Jackson? Kids. Lawdy...

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Oh like Janet's an original that drew no inspiration from anywhere? It just ALL began with her?

No one has ever said that anywhere in this thread, where is this coming from?

midiscover said:

musicjunky318 said:

Beyonce has had just as much success as Janet at this point I don't know what the hell yal are talking about. Only difference is in age and career-length. Talent is subjective but most people polled would agree Weave is the better singer while Jackson is the better dancer. I personally don't give either of them serious credit when it comes to writing ability. Too many slashes in the song titles if you know what I mean.

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Okay and this is coming from the same bitch that calls an untalented hick Godney. Gtfoh. Janet is a songwriter and has written her songs by herself so no we're not aware of these slashes.

LOL Most of them have slashes do they not? The only sole credit I've found was for "Blackcat." That's it.

The rest have Jimmy & Terry, and other folk attached to them.

alphastreet said:

musicjunky318 said:

Oh like Janet's an original that drew no inspiration from anywhere? It just ALL began with her?

No one has ever said that anywhere in this thread, where is this coming from?

Look up one spot.

And in my post I wasn't responding to who's better here or there anyway. I literally stated that talent is subjective yet if you did a poll one individual would probably win in a specific category while the second would triumph in the other.

My two cents had to do with someone saying Beyonce is still in training or whatever when she's had just as much success (if not more) than Janet. Length of time in the industry isn't equivalent to being prosperous in the industry. Mandy Moore debuted before Lady Gaga but what kind of difference does that make? Gaga's already accomplished 5x's as much as Moore ever did. It's about impact. Trying to dimish her achievements just because she arrived later doesn't always tell the whole story.

musicjunky318 said:

midiscover said:

Okay and this is coming from the same bitch that calls an untalented hick Godney. Gtfoh. Janet is a songwriter and has written her songs by herself so no we're not aware of these slashes.

LOL Most of them have slashes do they not? The only sole credit I've found was for "Blackcat." That's it.

The rest have Jimmy & Terry, and other folk attached to them.

I guess you think those credited for songwriting only contribute to the lyrical content and nothing more. Bless your heart. I expect nothing less from a Shitney stan. Chile, aren't 21?

musicjunky318 said:

And in my post I wasn't responding to who's better here or there anyway. I literally stated that talent is subjective yet if you did a poll one individual would probably win in a specific category while the second would triumph in the other.

My two cents had to do with someone saying Beyonce is still in training or whatever when she's had just as much success (if not more) than Janet. Length of time in the industry isn't equivalent to being prosperous in the industry. Mandy Moore debuted before Lady Gaga but what kind of difference does that make? Gaga's already accomplished 5x's as much as Moore ever did. It's about impact. Trying to dimish her achievements just because she arrived later doesn't always tell the whole story.

No, she hasn't.

Lawd, you're so fucking stupid. Seriously.

midiscover said:

musicjunky318 said:

And in my post I wasn't responding to who's better here or there anyway. I literally stated that talent is subjective yet if you did a poll one individual would probably win in a specific category while the second would triumph in the other.

My two cents had to do with someone saying Beyonce is still in training or whatever when she's had just as much success (if not more) than Janet. Length of time in the industry isn't equivalent to being prosperous in the industry. Mandy Moore debuted before Lady Gaga but what kind of difference does that make? Gaga's already accomplished 5x's as much as Moore ever did. It's about impact. Trying to dimish her achievements just because she arrived later doesn't always tell the whole story.

No, she hasn't.

Lawd, you're so fucking stupid. Seriously.

I think you're just jealous. The numbers are public record.

musicjunky318 said:

midiscover said:

No, she hasn't.

Lawd, you're so fucking stupid. Seriously.

I think you're just jealous. The numbers are public record.

Jealous? One of Janet's albums sold the same amount 3 of Beyonce's albums did worldwide and this is in public record.

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alphastreet said:

awesome job! Those are the two I have paid multiple times to see in concert and both never fail to disappoint....though beyonce has a stronger voice, janet has the whole package and the soul IMO

"Never fail to disappoint"---?

Well, anyway. I like Janet. I'm not really offended by her modest vocal skills, because in the end I'd rather listen to that type of singing than what Beyoncé does. I also liked her previous album and have listened to it plenty of times (well, some tracks I just have to skip). The biggest problem is just that she's never been anything else than "Michael Jackson's sister" in my eyes. Like many, I just can't shake that impression off. Then again, I believe she's herself stuck to that type of an image anyway.

Then again, I believe she's herself stuck to that type of an image anyway.

????

You're free to believe otherwise.

Mind elaborating?

musicjunky318 said:

midiscover said:

No, she hasn't.

Lawd, you're so fucking stupid. Seriously.

I think you're just jealous. The numbers are public record.

What numbers? These?...

Who's the only artist in history to have 7 top 5 hits from one album? Janet.

Who's the only artist in history to be nominated in the Dance, Rock, Pop, RnB and Rap categories at the Grammys? Janet.

Who was the first artist to have 5 top 5 singles from one album? Janet.

Who's the singer to have their first 3 motion pictures debut at #1 at the box office? Janet.

Which artist had the biggest debut world tour? Janet.

Who is the only artist to have 3 Hot 100 #1s in 3 different calendar years, all from a single album? Janet.

Which female artist was the first to have a single debut in the top 5 and top 10? Janet.

Which Jackson remains the only one to be nominated for a Golden Globe and and Oscar? Janet.

Which artist was the first to have a #1 Hot 100 hit in the 80s, 90s AND 2000s? Janet.

Which female artist was the first to have an album debut at #1 during the SoundScan era? Janet.

Which artist has a song that insipred the Yamaha "Lately Bass" keyboard? Janet.

Who is the artist with the most Billboard awards in history? Janet.

Who is the only female artist in history to have FIVE CONSECUTIVE back to back #1 albums? Janet.

Who was the first female recording artist of color to be nominated for a Producer Of The Year Grammy? Janet.

Who was the first female artist to have the biggest-selling album of the year? Janet.

Who was the first black artist to be awarded GLAAD's Vanguard Award? Janet.

Who was the first artist to have a single simultaneously top the Hot 100, R&B, and dance charts? Janet.

Who holds the record for the fastest sellout in the history of the Tokyo Dome? Janet.

Who had two of the biggest recording contracts of the 1990s? Janet.

Who broke attendance records at Hawaii's Aloha Stadium twice for two different tours? Janet.

Which artist can make a fan zap out just by a mere kiss on the cheek?

Janet.

^^^^Them there are some numbers...^^^^

midiscover said:

Mind elaborating?

As a casual listener it's just an impression that is hard to get rid of. Her fans might have a different view on it and probably do.

I always thought she has a better sense of style than her brother, but his influence on what type of an artist she's sought out to be become is also very clear. She didn't pick up the acoustic guitar and become a folk artist. She became a singer-dancer with a heavy emphasis on videos and spectacle-type stage shows. That alone, the last name and same of the shared mannerisms are a sufficient reason for someone that isn't interested in everything she has done to maintain the connection with her most famous sibling. Obviously, given the commercial success she's had on her own it's quite strange that many people still primarily associate her as "MJ's sister". It might also have something to do with her music not being as well-known in Europe as in the US.

I know this is a sort of a boring topic and I'd prefer to get out of this before the really ardent Janet fans rip me to shreds though. I mean, just look at some of the posts on this thread already.

novabrkr said:

midiscover said:

Mind elaborating?

As a casual listener it's just an impression that is hard to get rid of. Her fans might have a different view on it and probably do.

I always thought she has a better sense of style than her brother, but his influence on what type of an artist she's sought out to be become is also very clear. She didn't pick up the acoustic guitar and become a folk artist. She became a singer-dancer with a heavy emphasis on videos and spectacle-type stage shows. That alone, the last name and same of the shared mannerisms are a sufficient reason for someone that isn't interested in everything she has done to maintain the connection with her most famous sibling. Obviously, given the commercial success she's had on her own it's quite strange that many people still primarily associate her as "MJ's sister". It might also have something to do with her music not being as well-known in Europe as in the US.

I know this is a sort of a boring topic and I'd prefer to get out of this before the really ardent Janet fans rip me to shreds though. I mean, just look at some of the posts on this thread already.

Michael Jackson wasn't the first to do this. And yea, I do think she's known as that in Europe because she's not as well-known. In the states she's known as Janet and even during the 90's people referred to MJ as Janet's brother.

musicjunky318 said:

alphastreet said:

No one has ever said that anywhere in this thread, where is this coming from?

Look up one spot.

It was posted in the same minute as me, didn't see it everyone is inspired by something, even janet, I do agree with that, though I disagree with a lot of what you are saying and it's silly to discredit janet when it's public record, and britney does not have very many writing credits despite being involved with what she wants. Compare them dance wise if you want to draw comparisons, but when it comes to music, they are different.

novabrkr said:

alphastreet said:

awesome job! Those are the two I have paid multiple times to see in concert and both never fail to disappoint....though beyonce has a stronger voice, janet has the whole package and the soul IMO

"Never fail to disappoint"---?

Well, anyway. I like Janet. I'm not really offended by her modest vocal skills, because in the end I'd rather listen to that type of singing than what Beyoncé does. I also liked her previous album and have listened to it plenty of times (well, some tracks I just have to skip). The biggest problem is just that she's never been anything else than "Michael Jackson's sister" in my eyes. Like many, I just can't shake that impression off. Then again, I believe she's herself stuck to that type of an image anyway.

I think a lot of people do see her like that, overseas and to people to who don't keep up with pop music, but to me she is her own person and at the end of the day, that's all that matters.

midiscover said:

novabrkr said:

As a casual listener it's just an impression that is hard to get rid of. Her fans might have a different view on it and probably do.

I always thought she has a better sense of style than her brother, but his influence on what type of an artist she's sought out to be become is also very clear. She didn't pick up the acoustic guitar and become a folk artist. She became a singer-dancer with a heavy emphasis on videos and spectacle-type stage shows. That alone, the last name and same of the shared mannerisms are a sufficient reason for someone that isn't interested in everything she has done to maintain the connection with her most famous sibling. Obviously, given the commercial success she's had on her own it's quite strange that many people still primarily associate her as "MJ's sister". It might also have something to do with her music not being as well-known in Europe as in the US.

I know this is a sort of a boring topic and I'd prefer to get out of this before the really ardent Janet fans rip me to shreds though. I mean, just look at some of the posts on this thread already.

Michael Jackson wasn't the first to do this. And yea, I do think she's known as that in Europe because she's not as well-known. In the states she's known as Janet and even during the 90's people referred to MJ as Janet's brother.

I would say that happened in the late 90's just cause he wasn't putting out much material or touring aside from the Hawaii show, but after MSG and Invincible, possibly those VH1 specials in 2001, it probably stopped again. In fact, I kinda was big on janet more in the late 90's when things were too quiet with him, though I was still a fan.

midiscover said:

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OMG. ...Everyone has a bad pic

midiscover said:

Free2BMe said:

I have always believed that Jimmy Jam gave Janet MORE credit than she deserved for songwriting. Notice that I said Jimmy Jam because Terry Lewis never did that. I also believe that Rene Elizonda wrote most of the song lyrics that janet is credited with writing. All you have to do is listen to her songs AFTER she and Rene broke up. The content is not there. Btw, I thought this even before Rene came out and said that he wrote a lot of her hits and she finally HAD to ADMIT that it was true. Btw, Janet has 10-15 years on Beyonce in the music business and she has accomplished a lot of great things. However, that does not take away from the incredible success that Beyonce has achieved during a relative short time in the industry. Bey definently deserves the title of "Icon" or "Diva". She is not a clone of Janet. She is so much more than a clone of JJ. Now, if you want to talk about clones, speak of people like Britney. Beyonce is in a different class. Yes, Beyonce has mentioned Janet as a influence, however, she has mentioned MIchale MUCH MORE as an influence in virtually EVERY interview that she has done since Destiny's Child. I see nore of Michael's influence on Bey than I do Janet. Of course, this is my opinion.

Is this your way of thinking?

I weep for your future. Lawd, knows I do.

Btw, Rene did claim he wrote it but his dumbass didn't get shit but 10 million in assets and that had nothing to do with royalties. It was the amount of money Janet was worth in 1986. Janet has never admitted to Rene's shitty claims, she just laughed at him. Because any credit he got was under Janet's name so she was laughing all the way to the bank.

Sweetie, I can guarantee that my future is very secure. Let's worry about yours, shall we.

purplesweat said:

Beyonce's career is already 14 years long, she's performed with Prince, Janet's bro had a serious crush on her, performed for the first ever black President and is the most successful artist of the 2000s decade. Janet? Hasn't been relevant since the mid 90s and is famous to the new generations only for Boobgate There's no point in comparing the two when one isn't releasing music steadily or performing regularly.

you are extremely ignorant...

beyonce is only considered the most talent of this decade because the artist of this decade have NO real talent..

beyonce alone would NOT have survived the 90s or 80s because she would be competing with janet jackson at her peak....

janet jackson HAS ZERO to prove, even with her albums of 2000s not being successful she already accomplished a lot musically.... beyonce is still trying to get where janet is...

TotalAlisa said:

beyonce is only considered the most talent of this decade because the artist of this decade have NO real talent..

beyonce alone would NOT have survived the 90s or 80s because she would be competing with janet jackson at her peak....

janet jackson HAS ZERO to prove, even with her albums of 2000s not being successful she already accomplished a lot musically.... beyonce is still trying to get where janet is...

Beyonce is considered talented, because she is. You can be a JJ fan and still acknowledge Bey's talent, success and achievements. Beyonce has done extremely well. To compare her to Janet's achievements is like comparing ANYONE to Michael's achievements. That does not and should not lessen Beyonce's TALENT. She has it in spades.

Free2BMe said:

TotalAlisa said:

beyonce is only considered the most talent of this decade because the artist of this decade have NO real talent..

beyonce alone would NOT have survived the 90s or 80s because she would be competing with janet jackson at her peak....

janet jackson HAS ZERO to prove, even with her albums of 2000s not being successful she already accomplished a lot musically.... beyonce is still trying to get where janet is...

Beyonce is considered talented, because she is. You can be a JJ fan and still acknowledge Bey's talent, success and achievements. Beyonce has done extremely well. To compare her to Janet's achievements is like comparing ANYONE to Michael's achievements. That does not and should not lessen Beyonce's TALENT. She has it in spades.

I agree that the talent today on a mainstream level is NOT the same as the past which is why it was easy for Beyonce to stand out, but I also agree it's not fair to say she's not talented just cause you're not a fan of hers. As for Beyonce in the 80's and 90's, Whitney on a vocal level might have been a better comparison than Janet, and she would have been thrust in the categories as the Jody Watleys, Karyn Whites, En Vogue etc. though they are so different from her.

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Free2BMe said:

TotalAlisa said:

beyonce is only considered the most talent of this decade because the artist of this decade have NO real talent..

beyonce alone would NOT have survived the 90s or 80s because she would be competing with janet jackson at her peak....

janet jackson HAS ZERO to prove, even with her albums of 2000s not being successful she already accomplished a lot musically.... beyonce is still trying to get where janet is...

Beyonce is considered talented, because she is. You can be a JJ fan and still acknowledge Bey's talent, success and achievements. Beyonce has done extremely well. To compare her to Janet's achievements is like comparing ANYONE to Michael's achievements. That does not and should not lessen Beyonce's TALENT. She has it in spades.

please tell me where i said beyonce has no talent???? I just was insinuating that her talent is overrated and she basically copies a lot of people....

i acknowledge before i USED to be a beyonce fan (i had her posters on my wall and tried to dye my hair color I used be crazy about beyonce...) BUT i was a janet jackson fan first... then became bey's fan... and got tired of beyonce because she was about nothing.. but fame and attention... and im not down with that...

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purplesweat said:

SEANMAN said:

Oh please, Beyonce had better pray that she can have a 30-plus year old career. Janet is an icon. Beyonce is a pop idol still in training.

Beyonce's career is already 14 years long, she's performed with Prince, Janet's bro had a serious crush on her, performed for the first ever black President and is the most successful artist of the 2000s decade. Janet? Hasn't been relevant since the mid 90s and is famous to the new generations only for Boobgate There's no point in comparing the two when one isn't releasing music steadily or performing regularly.