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Reply #420 posted 12/17/10 11:47pm

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Swa said:

OFF THE WALL Vs TRIUMPH

Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough Vs Can You Feel It

Rock With You vs Lovely One

Workin' Day And Night vs Your Ways

Get On The Floor vs Everybody

Off The Wall V This Place Hotel

Girlfriend v Time Waits for No One

She's Out Of My Life v Walk Right Now

I Can't Help It v Give It Up

It's The Falling In Love v Wondering Who

Burn This Disco Out

Though in my mind the perfect 1979/80 album would be

Side A

1. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

2. Rock With You

3. Lovely One
4. Workin' Day and Night

5. This Place Hotel

Side B

1. Can You Feel It

2. Get On The Floor

3. I Can't Help It

4. Time Waits for No One

I've been playing Triumph A LOT these past few weeks. Destiny/Off The Wall/Triumph albums come off as continuations of the previous records.

I agree with your OTW/Triumph comparison, but I'd change this...

Get on the Floor vs Everybody

It's the Falling in Love vs Wondering Who

"Everybody" is such a smooth track to me. When Michael says "all you have to do is state my name out loud", it really does something to me...He sounds so confident and secure with himself

and I just cant stand "It's the Falling in Love"

I'd also love to hear some outtakes from Destiny/OTW/Triumph...They were recorded during the same era, so I wouldnt be surprised if certain songs were meant for one of the 3 albums, but ended up on, well...ONE OF THE THREE ALBUMS.

[Edited 12/17/10 23:49pm]

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Reply #421 posted 12/17/10 11:50pm

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Swa said:

OFF THE WALL Vs TRIUMPH

Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough Vs Can You Feel It

Rock With You vs Lovely One

Workin' Day And Night vs Your Ways

Get On The Floor vs Everybody

Off The Wall V This Place Hotel

Girlfriend v Time Waits for No One

She's Out Of My Life v Walk Right Now

I Can't Help It v Give It Up

It's The Falling In Love v Wondering Who

Burn This Disco Out

Though in my mind the perfect 1979/80 album would be

Side A

1. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

2. Rock With You

3. Lovely One
4. Workin' Day and Night

5. This Place Hotel

Side B

1. Can You Feel It

2. Get On The Floor

3. I Can't Help It

4. Time Waits for No One

I love all the songs so im not even gonna comparee. Im not meaning to put MJ's style down after Bad, but it was just different. For example the song "This Time Around" featuring Biggie in 1995....That type of vocal style is different from the Triumph, Thriller, Off The Wall Mike on FAST TRACKS

Slow Jams MJ could throw down until he was 90 years old if he were still alive. Its the dance tracks where he started sounding different. Im sure it was due to age. Cant keep that baby voice forever

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Reply #422 posted 12/18/10 12:07am

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Am I the only one who thinks that the Ghosts project is probably the most ambitious long-form video/short film he ever did? I mean, I think this has to be the greatest music video ever made... He went all out on that one. biggrin

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Reply #423 posted 12/18/10 12:18am

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as much as i am worked up for a bad tour dvd , im equally scared that they will do a half ass job by releasing yokohama 87 . i dont have enough faith in the estate to believe that they will do things right after michael'

They might - but hopefully give it a bit of love. And you have to remember - for most people they don't have an idea what that tour was like so the Yokohama show would do it justice.

I would love to see one though that doesn't cut away during the entrance.

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Reply #424 posted 12/18/10 12:20am

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ViintageJunkiie said:

Swa said:

OFF THE WALL Vs TRIUMPH

Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough Vs Can You Feel It

Rock With You vs Lovely One

Workin' Day And Night vs Your Ways

Get On The Floor vs Everybody

Off The Wall V This Place Hotel

Girlfriend v Time Waits for No One

She's Out Of My Life v Walk Right Now

I Can't Help It v Give It Up

It's The Falling In Love v Wondering Who

Burn This Disco Out

Though in my mind the perfect 1979/80 album would be

Side A

1. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

2. Rock With You

3. Lovely One
4. Workin' Day and Night

5. This Place Hotel

Side B

1. Can You Feel It

2. Get On The Floor

3. I Can't Help It

4. Time Waits for No One

I've been playing Triumph A LOT these past few weeks. Destiny/Off The Wall/Triumph albums come off as continuations of the previous records.

I agree with your OTW/Triumph comparison, but I'd change this...

Get on the Floor vs Everybody

It's the Falling in Love vs Wondering Who

"Everybody" is such a smooth track to me. When Michael says "all you have to do is state my name out loud", it really does something to me...He sounds so confident and secure with himself

and I just cant stand "It's the Falling in Love"

I'd also love to hear some outtakes from Destiny/OTW/Triumph...They were recorded during the same era, so I wouldnt be surprised if certain songs were meant for one of the 3 albums, but ended up on, well...ONE OF THE THREE ALBUMS.

[Edited 12/17/10 23:49pm]

Everybody is a great song - but I couldn't pass up that thumping infectious bass line.

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Reply #425 posted 12/18/10 12:22am

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silverchild said:

Am I the only one who thinks that the Ghosts project is probably the most ambitious long-form video/short film he ever did? I mean, I think this has to be the greatest music video ever made... He went all out on that one. biggrin

It definitely was his most ambitious - the fact that he postponed production for 3 years til technology caught up with his vision says something. As for it being the best he ever made... it comes down to personal opinion but it is definitely up there.

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Reply #426 posted 12/18/10 12:45am

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Nui Te Koha From:Sunday Herald Sun December 18, 2010 6:32PM

MICHAEL Jackson was planning a revolution. "I hope you're ready," Jackson told producer Teddy Riley. "We're going to shock the world."

Riley was ordered to be in London from July, 2009, where Jackson had sold out 50 shows at the O2 Arena.

"I was supposed to go to London for three weeks to work with him in the studio," Riley says.

"Michael was hungry. He wanted to do those shows so badly. He told me once he did the first week of those concerts, he would be ready to cut a record."

Riley had not written anything specific for the album.

"I made music on the spot with Michael and this (London session) would be no different," Riley says.

"I knew his style. We would write at the piano, demo, and retest it to see if it was worth completing.

"For Michael, I got everything to the finish line, to a point where it was ready for the streets."

A few weeks after the conversation, Jackson shocked the world - though, not the way he had planned. He died of a heart attack on June 25, 2009.

This month, a posthumous album, Michael, was released.

It features 10 songs Jackson recorded with unknown collaborators in 2007.

Some are unused songs from Jackson's Thriller (1982) era. Another is a duet with Akon, recorded in Las Vegas three years ago.

Riley, who Jackson nicknamed The Finisher, brings his production sheen to Michael's demo quality songs and sketches.

"My job was to get the feel and sound of the album to what Michael would have expected," Riley says.

"His expectations were all about the music. Michael would want this album to be great musically and sonically it must slam."

Indeed, Riley gets Jacko's groove back on a new song, Hollywood Tonight.

But, elsewhere, on cuts like Monster and Breaking News, the source material is too weak to be saved.

The tracks, co-written with unknown producer Eddie Cascio, are way below par. Eddie is the son of Dominick Cascio Sr, a former manager at a New York hotel frequented by Jackson in 1984.

Jackson befriended Cascio, his wife, Connie, and sons, Eddie and Frank, and regularly stayed at their home in New Jersey. In 2007, after a three-month stay at the Cascio home, Jackson recorded 12 songs with Eddie.

"They were his surrogate family," Riley says. "He lived with them when he didn't have anything to do. When Michael wasn't busy he would go straight to their home and stay."

Eddie Cascio, now 28, was three when Jackson came into their lives.

"Eddie has been studying Michael, the music and the chords, since he was a kid," Riley says.

"Michael advised him and mentored him. As Eddie grew up, he grew into making music.

"Eddie showed Michael some tracks he had. Michael liked them. And they started writing together."

But the Cascio co-writes are charmless and predictable. Both wallow in complaints about paparazzi and everybody wanting a piece of Jackson.

It gets worse. On Monster, Jackson sang his vocals through a PVC pipe.

"You use what you have and it becomes history," Riley says.

Riley says Jackson used a low-cost Shure microphone on Wanna Be Starting Something, the opening track on Thriller.

"Now that's a cheap microphone," Riley says. "But he sang into that and the music industry couldn't believe it. But it became famous and everybody began using Shure."

Asked if Michael is up to standard of previous Jackson albums, Riley answers: "I think it is. All of Michael's albums were innovative. But they were all different from each other."

Riley says Eddie Cascio is in the same spot he was when Jackson asked him to oversee the 1992 album, Dangerous.

Riley followed Off The Wall, Thriller and Bad, all produced by Quincy Jones.

"How do you follow Quincy?" Riley asks, laughing.

"But you have to remember - Michael is the one who co-signed these new songs. Michael is the one who put his pen to it. Michael is the one who put his vocals on it."

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Reply #427 posted 12/18/10 1:26am

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Eh. More fluff.

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Reply #428 posted 12/18/10 1:44am

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ViintageJunkiie said:

Swa said:

OFF THE WALL Vs TRIUMPH

Don't Stop 'Till You Get Enough Vs Can You Feel It

Rock With You vs Lovely One

Workin' Day And Night vs Your Ways

Get On The Floor vs Everybody

Off The Wall V This Place Hotel

Girlfriend v Time Waits for No One

She's Out Of My Life v Walk Right Now

I Can't Help It v Give It Up

It's The Falling In Love v Wondering Who

Burn This Disco Out

Though in my mind the perfect 1979/80 album would be

Side A

1. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

2. Rock With You

3. Lovely One
4. Workin' Day and Night

5. This Place Hotel

Side B

1. Can You Feel It

2. Get On The Floor

3. I Can't Help It

4. Time Waits for No One

I've been playing Triumph A LOT these past few weeks. Destiny/Off The Wall/Triumph albums come off as continuations of the previous records.

I agree with your OTW/Triumph comparison, but I'd change this...

Get on the Floor vs Everybody

It's the Falling in Love vs Wondering Who

"Everybody" is such a smooth track to me. When Michael says "all you have to do is state my name out loud", it really does something to me...He sounds so confident and secure with himself

and I just cant stand "It's the Falling in Love"

I'd also love to hear some outtakes from Destiny/OTW/Triumph...They were recorded during the same era, so I wouldnt be surprised if certain songs were meant for one of the 3 albums, but ended up on, well...ONE OF THE THREE ALBUMS.

[Edited 12/17/10 23:49pm]

The fact that from December 1978 to June 1979, Michael:

-after a week before Destiny was released, started recording Off The Wall

-while doing the Desiny Tour in Europe, would get on the plane and go to record the OTW album on his days off

-and doing all of this, was writing for Triumph

and all that at 20 years old eek

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Reply #429 posted 12/18/10 3:42am

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alphastreet said:

Michael's music and voice evolved with time, I would have found it boring if he stuck with the same sound as off the wall and thriller. I like off the wall, but most of the album does sound like a 70's disco era album, though at the same time I'm not writing it off as one and it is a classic in it's own right. I think the singles are classics, but the rest does sound 70's though they are excellent songs. I feel MJ sounds more confident and edgy in Bad and Dangerous, and a good blend of both soft and hard in Thriller.

Michael's vocals on dance tracks were much better on Off The Wall and Thriller. " Dont Stop To You Get Enough" is arguably the greatest dance song ever. Just his range and the clearness of his voice on faster songs was better back then. Even on the underated Triumph album. Listen to those smooth/clear vocals on the faster songs. Which is probably why its prefered by the mainstream and general public

Later on faster songs MJ started NOT SINGING...But a lot of angry grunting with his voice

Being edgy is cool...But ppl want to hear you sing as well. Not just on a slow jams...Sing the dance tracks....

Sing along songs is CATCHY....

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Your so right. On his latter albums he was doing more grunting than singing, now if that is him evolving well I would rather him stick to singing J5 songs.

And another thing the post Thriller, hard core fans alway go on about Dangerous and History not getting as much as love as thriller, but what about albums like Triumph and Destiny which are completely ignore, now that is a real travesty.

One of the most ironic things about comparing Thriller, OTW with the likes of Bad and Dangerous, is that the latter albums actually got alot more hype and attention on their release than Thriller and OTW ever got.

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Reply #430 posted 12/18/10 6:53am

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i JUST MET CHRIS TUCKER LAST NIGHT! He came into the production studio i work at and I may be working on a project with him next week. It tripped me out. I never shook hands with somebody who actually was close to MJ. thats all i could think about lol lol

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Reply #431 posted 12/18/10 7:26am

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i JUST MET CHRIS TUCKER LAST NIGHT! He came into the production studio i work at and I may be working on a project with him next week. It tripped me out. I never shook hands with somebody who actually was close to MJ. thats all i could think about lol lol

Congrats! He is so awesome in person! Glad you had that chance. Whenever I see him on TV,

I can't help but smile. During such a dark period in Michael's life few stood by him, but Chris sure

as hell did. Did anyone catch his "Rock With You" tribute performance? Simply amazing. Check it out.

So fantastic!

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Reply #432 posted 12/18/10 8:04am

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BabyBeMine said:

Michael's vocals on dance tracks were much better on Off The Wall and Thriller. " Dont Stop To You Get Enough" is arguably the greatest dance song ever. Just his range and the clearness of his voice on faster songs was better back then. Even on the underated Triumph album. Listen to those smooth/clear vocals on the faster songs. Which is probably why its prefered by the mainstream and general public

Later on faster songs MJ started NOT SINGING...But a lot of angry grunting with his voice

Being edgy is cool...But ppl want to hear you sing as well. Not just on a slow jams...Sing the dance tracks....

Sing along songs is CATCHY....

[Edited 12/17/10 10:05am]

Your so right. On his latter albums he was doing more grunting than singing, now if that is him evolving well I would rather him stick to singing J5 songs.

And another thing the post Thriller, hard core fans alway go on about Dangerous and History not getting as much as love as thriller, but what about albums like Triumph and Destiny which are completely ignore, now that is a real travesty.

One of the most ironic things about comparing Thriller, OTW with the likes of Bad and Dangerous, is that the latter albums actually got alot more hype and attention on their release than Thriller and OTW ever got.

See there you go assuming fans aren't aware the of the underrated Jacksons albums and saying they don't get credit. What have we been talking about for the past few posts? And in case you haven't noticed, his songs with "grunting" as you put it are considered classics today too you know. Even before the death, I knew people who respected songs like The Way You Make Feel, Black or White etc.

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Reply #433 posted 12/18/10 9:14am

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whatsgoingon said:

And another thing the post Thriller, hard core fans alway go on about Dangerous and History not getting as much as love as thriller, but what about albums like Triumph and Destiny which are completely ignore, now that is a real travesty.

It's always a real travesty when our favorite albums get ignored. =(

Anywhere I go I always try to share every album he's done, but even then a lot of people don't respond well to the older material. Probably because it's too genre specific. When it's really genre specific it has less of a chance of appealing to everyone. Which is why, I think, he took the road he did later on musically. I could be wrong though...

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Reply #434 posted 12/18/10 9:33am

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Please can anyone help?? My mp3 player died on me a few days ago,erasing all my songs(I stupidly didn't bother saving them off either). I've managed to download most of the songs now,but am after Blue gangsta(not the Tempamental version,but the one with just MJ singing). Can anyone send it to me?? Thank you for reading smile

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Reply #435 posted 12/18/10 9:37am

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Has Captain EO been released on Special Edition DVD or blue-ray?

If not...it needs to be done. cool

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Reply #436 posted 12/18/10 10:07am

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #437 posted 12/18/10 10:09am

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #438 posted 12/18/10 10:11am

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silverchild said:

Am I the only one who thinks that the Ghosts project is probably the most ambitious long-form video/short film he ever did? I mean, I think this has to be the greatest music video ever made... He went all out on that one. biggrin

No you're not the only one who thought that. nod

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Reply #439 posted 12/18/10 10:13am

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Reply #440 posted 12/18/10 11:52am

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Unholyalliance said:

errant said:

My point is that there is a difference between the polish of his earlier work and the everything but the kitchen sink approach of the later years. It could very well be the difference between Quincy Jones' production instincts vs. later producers (who often use beats and flash as substitutes for melody and arrangement). Or it could be that Quincy was respected by MJ and powerful enough to curb MJ's gaudier instincts on record, whereas the younger producers of the post-Quincy period let those "more is better" instincts ride rough-shod over their productions.

But, usually, when people claim that his work is 'over-produced' they claim it started post-Thriller. This includes the Bad album in which Quincy also worked on. Yet you're claiming it 'started' post-Quincy. Why do you think that your conclusion differs so much from those other claims? What makes them wrong and you right?

errant said:

Michael also spent a lot more time laboring over his tracks on the last several albums, trying to make everything bigger and better than what came before. Whether it was his own instincts coming through or those of the younger producers he was working with or the availability of technology and lots and lots of time and money being pumped into them, the end result was a lot of over-production that often obscured the heart and soul of the songs and the vocals.

But some of the things you were pointing out earlier were things were things I enjoyed about a lot of his music. If I think that they were enjoyable, then there is a good chance that I don't feel that the 'heart and joy' of the song were obscured in any way. So, if this is the case am I wrong for feeling this way? Are my opinions not worthy or have any weight to them, simply because they are not yours?

Do you see what I am trying to get at? No matter how many times you try to explain it, if I don't feel the way you do, then how can you try and convince me that you are right? Is there a right answer? This is art. I think I rather enjoy the way MJ decided to express himself a LOT of his later work and way more than in his earlier work, which I do enjoy as well. I don't feel that many of the songs were bogged down or were too 'slick or glossy' for me. Some people do and that's all right as well.

There were some things that I felt could have been toned down a bit, but I don't think everything post-Quincy is unlistenable, in the least. This may be a popular opinion amongst critics, but I don't agree with them either since they, too, like to bash everything he's done post-Thriller in general. Many times, I feel without valid reason. Just like the way that most of them criticized the shit out of Thriller when it was first released as well. Now it's been almost 30 years later and they all sing its praises. It's a load of bs.

First, I couldn't care less what other people's claims are about when the over-producing started. I'm giving my own opinion based on what I hear in the music. I'm not sure why you're asking me validate my opinion compared to other people's opinions in that regard. I'm not interested in that.

Second, I thought we were having a conversation here. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm just stating my opinion. You made an claim that people who use the word "over-produced" to knock music that they just don't like. I was explaining why I chose the word, because it is exactly the word that I meant when discussing what I don't care for in a lot of MJ's later records. That's how a conversation goes. I give my opinion, you give yours, and so on. If you don't want to participate, fine. shrug

Third, I never said everything post-Quincy is unlistenable. I enjoy quite a lot of it. But there are a lot of unrelatable, overused themes (which whole other subject) and production values that mar what could have otherwise been really great albums.

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #445 posted 12/18/10 1:40pm

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #446 posted 12/18/10 2:00pm

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I find myself blasting Triumph more than Off The Wall these days but I don’t like this comparing stuff because then the favorite Michael era’s come into play and then people be on their periods saying which one was better lmfaoo. I have my faves but i'm going to shut up lol

I see people say I prefer Michael older stuff and now saying Triumph was his best album make up your mind. The man didn’t have a bad album even though people will argue invincible was but whatever just enjoy what you prefer.

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Reply #447 posted 12/18/10 2:16pm

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dag said:

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So handsome here. His hair is much shorter than usual and he looked gorgeous.

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Reply #448 posted 12/18/10 3:07pm

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Swa said:

silverchild said:

Am I the only one who thinks that the Ghosts project is probably the most ambitious long-form video/short film he ever did? I mean, I think this has to be the greatest music video ever made... He went all out on that one. biggrin

It definitely was his most ambitious - the fact that he postponed production for 3 years til technology caught up with his vision says something. As for it being the best he ever made... it comes down to personal opinion but it is definitely up there.

I didn't know he delayed production because of technology. But yes, it was really an ambitious project... from the dancing to the acting and costumes, etc. I have to say, I was most impressed by his acting skills. Really wish the 90s wasn't so hard on him. He would've been a great actor.

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Reply #449 posted 12/18/10 3:10pm

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Now that my ban is over and I can post again....

There are talks of turning Neverland into a music development center for teens. I don't think the estate has rights over Neverland.. or do they? I know it can't just sit as a barren place forever.. but at the same time, if you turn into any type of production.. you run the risk of tarnishing Michael's legacy and ruining the integrity of the place (just like his new album). Can't they just do what they did to Graceland? Have tours for fans there instead? Keep it light and simple... no greedy business people allowed.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/1...al-estate/

Neverland Ranch -- A Teen Haven for Music

The owners of the Neverland Ranch -- the former home of Michael Jackson -- want to turn the property into a teenage music haven.

TMZ has learned Colony Capital wants to develop a business plan to turn Neverland into a small music institute -- similar to The Juilliard School in NYC. The plan is to teach teens all aspects of music, including writing and performing.

Colony wants to turn the property into a campus, in which scores of teenagers -- rich and poor -- can learn the trade that made Michael Jackson a legend.

There are two big stumbling blocks. The first is making sure Santa Barbara County will sign off on such a project.

The second -- and bigger issue -- is whether Colony Capital can use Michael Jackson's name to promote such an institute. TMZ has good news for Colony .... sources directly connected with the Michael Jackson Estate tell us, "It's an interesting idea and we'd be open to it."

"If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with" - Michael Jackson
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