I agree with shorttrini. Eddie settled down, had kids and he lost his edge. He went from being the funny guy in the film to playing the regular, normal guy and everyone else around him (in the film) was crazy.

Plus with movies like "Metro", "Vampire", "Holy Man", "Norbit", "Pluto Nash", "I Spy", "Haunted Mansion, "Showtime", "Here's Dave"..I mean c'mon. One dud after the other??

I also think the incidents like the "tranny" stuf, Johnny Gill rumours, the Mel B fiasco (I don't know how he messed THAT up), and the "Tracey Edmonds 14 Hour Marriage" haven't hepled him either with the public. But I understand life is not perfect.

He was great in "Dreamgirls" and he should have won. He was also offered to host SNL right around that time and he turned it down. He really should host SNL.

If John Landis is still alive, they should hookup and do another film. And if he did a standup comedy comeback tour (talking about his life, kids, etc) it probably would be huge.

Isn't there supposed to be a "comeback" stand-up film on the way? I can't wait.

Anyway, musically speaking, appreantly he was VERY touchy by the ignored treatment of his short lived musical career, I don't know who lied to Eddie and told him he was Teddy Pendergrass. He's a brilliant mimick, but a singer he's not.

As for acting, I think Eddie will revive his career along the way, he's a talented individual.

Harlepolis said:

Isn't there supposed to be a "comeback" stand-up film on the way? I can't wait.

Anyway, musically speaking, appreantly he was VERY touchy by the ignored treatment of his short lived musical career, I don't know who lied to Eddie and told him he was Teddy Pendergrass. He's a brilliant mimick, but a singer he's not.

As for acting, I think Eddie will revive his career along the way, he's a talented individual.

Eddie Murphy doin stand up again? He hasn't done stand up since 1988.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Harlepolis said:

Isn't there supposed to be a "comeback" stand-up film on the way? I can't wait.

Anyway, musically speaking, appreantly he was VERY touchy by the ignored treatment of his short lived musical career, I don't know who lied to Eddie and told him he was Teddy Pendergrass. He's a brilliant mimick, but a singer he's not.

As for acting, I think Eddie will revive his career along the way, he's a talented individual.

Eddie Murphy doin stand up again? He hasn't done stand up since 1988.

He did a rare one back in 1997(non-televised, I think). Its featured in his best of album.

Always love Ed (not all of his movies), but he will always be one of my favorite entertainers.

People change, and not always into the people we want them to become. That's life. That slick, leather-suit wearing, sharp-tounged stand-up comedian is still in him, imo. But, he can't be that guy all the time. It gets old really fast. And to whoever said him having kids was a mistake:

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scorp84 said:

Always love Ed (not all of his movies), but he will always be one of my favorite entertainers.

People change, and not always into the people we want them to become. That's life. That slick, leather-suit wearing, sharp-tounged stand-up comedian is still in him, imo. But, he can't be that guy all the time. It gets old really fast. And to whoever said him having kids was a mistake:

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I agree that people change. But in Eddie's case, it seems like he wants to forget all about his comedic past....Take Chris Rock for example. Chris, like Eddie, has dove into movies and he has even done a the Madagascar movies,(which are kids oriented movies). However, Chris STILL goes back and does his stand up, every once in awhile and while some might say, that Chris is not as funny as Eddie, Chris is still out there. To me, Eddie is trying too hard to be taken seriously and when you do that, the opposite tends to happen....You end up looking like the, butt of the jokes that you are trying so hard NOT to tell, anymore....

Harlepolis said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Eddie Murphy doin stand up again? He hasn't done stand up since 1988.

He did a rare one back in 1997(non-televised, I think). Its featured in his best of album.

Oh he did. Hell if Keenen Ivory Wayans and Robert Townsend can come back to stand up, why not Eddie.

shorttrini said:

scorp84 said:

Always love Ed (not all of his movies), but he will always be one of my favorite entertainers.

People change, and not always into the people we want them to become. That's life. That slick, leather-suit wearing, sharp-tounged stand-up comedian is still in him, imo. But, he can't be that guy all the time. It gets old really fast. And to whoever said him having kids was a mistake:

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I agree that people change. But in Eddie's case, it seems like he wants to forget all about his comedic past....Take Chris Rock for example. Chris, like Eddie, has dove into movies and he has even done a the Madagascar movies,(which are kids oriented movies). However, Chris STILL goes back and does his stand up, every once in awhile and while some might say, that Chris is not as funny as Eddie, Chris is still out there. To me, Eddie is trying too hard to be taken seriously and when you do that, the opposite tends to happen....You end up looking like the, butt of the jokes that you are trying so hard NOT to tell, anymore....

It's my understanding for any comic to be succesful you have put yourself out their, you speaking from a place of truth no matter how uncomfortable that truth is. I get the feeling Murphy isn't welling to do that anymore . . . a lot of issues and water under the brigde.

I'll leave it at that.

shorttrini said:

scorp84 said:

Always love Ed (not all of his movies), but he will always be one of my favorite entertainers.

People change, and not always into the people we want them to become. That's life. That slick, leather-suit wearing, sharp-tounged stand-up comedian is still in him, imo. But, he can't be that guy all the time. It gets old really fast. And to whoever said him having kids was a mistake:

[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/outspoken34/don-t-curse-in-my-house_o_GIFSoupcom.gif[/img:$uid]

I agree that people change. But in Eddie's case, it seems like he wants to forget all about his comedic past....Take Chris Rock for example. Chris, like Eddie, has dove into movies and he has even done a the Madagascar movies,(which are kids oriented movies). However, Chris STILL goes back and does his stand up, every once in awhile and while some might say, that Chris is not as funny as Eddie, Chris is still out there. To me, Eddie is trying too hard to be taken seriously and when you do that, the opposite tends to happen....You end up looking like the, butt of the jokes that you are trying so hard NOT to tell, anymore....

But, Rock isn't the movie star that Murphy is. His starring roles are really bad, imo., and he can't carry a film the way Eddie can, so he has to go back to what he does best.

If you think about it, Murphy has had three decades of a success as an actor. That's unheard of for a black actor. I was listening to an interview of Halle Berry were the reporter pointed out how the first actor (actress) to win back to back Oscars was never able to regain her popularity and ended up giving up on Hollywood. So, with that in mind, I am going to cut Murphy some slack and thank him for being a trailblazer and just acknowledge the natural progression of Hollywood. Murphy's time on top has come and gone but that doesn't negate the fact that he is a stellar talent. Misused as times but a talent non the less.

I have a sinking feeling he MAY make a comeback on stand-up. I mean, COME ON, his older brother's trying to take his place.

Timmy84 said:

I have a sinking feeling he MAY make a comeback on stand-up. I mean, COME ON, his older brother's trying to take his place.

Charlie ain't even the Shawn Wayans of the family.

Charlie's stand up is terrible.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

I have a sinking feeling he MAY make a comeback on stand-up. I mean, COME ON, his older brother's trying to take his place.

Charlie ain't even the Shawn Wayans of the family.

Charlie's stand up is terrible.

Yeah, my brother said the same thing.

bboy87 said:

TonyVanDam said:

When it comes to films, Eddie Murphy's first f*** up was A Vampire In Brooklyn.

In my eyes, THAT^ was the beginning of his downfall.

What about The Distinguished Gentleman?

Hardly anyone remembers The Distinguished Gentleman.

JamFanHot said:

Timmy84 said:

^ You mean Dreamgirls.

I think he's a wasted talent IMHO.

You are of course, correct Sir.....I had Chicago on the brain. Further affirmation of my non-love for musicals.

You might give Hedwig and the Angry Inch a go.

SPYZFAN1 said:

I agree with shorttrini. Eddie settled down, had kids and he lost his edge. He went from being the funny guy in the film to playing the regular, normal guy and everyone else around him (in the film) was crazy.

Plus with movies like "Metro", "Vampire", "Holy Man", "Norbit", "Pluto Nash", "I Spy", "Haunted Mansion, "Showtime", "Here's Dave"..I mean c'mon. One dud after the other??

I also think the incidents like the "tranny" stuf, Johnny Gill rumours, the Mel B fiasco (I don't know how he messed THAT up), and the "Tracey Edmonds 14 Hour Marriage" haven't hepled him either with the public. But I understand life is not perfect.

He was great in "Dreamgirls" and he should have won. He was also offered to host SNL right around that time and he turned it down. He really should host SNL.

If John Landis is still alive, they should hookup and do another film. And if he did a standup comedy comeback tour (talking about his life, kids, etc) it probably would be huge.

I think he lost his edge and so he settled down and had kids.

allsmutaside said:

JamFanHot said:

You are of course, correct Sir.....I had Chicago on the brain. Further affirmation of my non-love for musicals.

You might give Hedwig and the Angry Inch a go.

That was a great one.

scorp84 said:

shorttrini said:

I agree that people change. But in Eddie's case, it seems like he wants to forget all about his comedic past....Take Chris Rock for example. Chris, like Eddie, has dove into movies and he has even done a the Madagascar movies,(which are kids oriented movies). However, Chris STILL goes back and does his stand up, every once in awhile and while some might say, that Chris is not as funny as Eddie, Chris is still out there. To me, Eddie is trying too hard to be taken seriously and when you do that, the opposite tends to happen....You end up looking like the, butt of the jokes that you are trying so hard NOT to tell, anymore....

But, Rock isn't the movie star that Murphy is. His starring roles are really bad, imo., and he can't carry a film the way Eddie can, so he has to go back to what he does best.

Yes he is...The mere fact that Rock has starred in movies that have been more successful that the one's that Eddie has starred in,(except for "Dreamsgirls"), speaks volumes to his success. Eddie is in these movies not only for his kids, but he is HOPING that people will,(and this includes, his long time fans) still support it, simply because he is EDDIE. Rock on the otherhand, has never really played something that is out of his range. He knows that he is FIRST a standup comedian and everything else comes second; Eddie has forgotten this and with every role it gets worse. The ironic thing is, he voluntarily bowed out of the role, that would have put him back on the map....and that was the lead role in the "Richard Pryor", pic. He said that he did not want there to be a conflict with a comedian playing a comedian. Here's from news for Eddie, "Make up your MIND!!" You cannot have it both ways. I hope that Marlon Wayans....runs with it.

shorttrini said:

scorp84 said:

But, Rock isn't the movie star that Murphy is. His starring roles are really bad, imo., and he can't carry a film the way Eddie can, so he has to go back to what he does best.

Yes he is...The mere fact that Rock has starred in movies that have been more successful that the one's that Eddie has starred in,(except for "Dreamsgirls"), speaks volumes to his success. Eddie is in these movies not only for his kids, but he is HOPING that people will,(and this includes, his long time fans) still support it, simply because he is EDDIE. Rock on the otherhand, has never really played something that is out of his range. He knows that he is FIRST a standup comedian and everything else comes second; Eddie has forgotten this and with every role it gets worse. The ironic thing is, he voluntarily bowed out of the role, that would have put him back on the map....and that was the lead role in the "Richard Pryor", pic. He said that he did not want there to be a conflict with a comedian playing a comedian. Here's from news for Eddie, "Make up your MIND!!" You cannot have it both ways. I hope that Marlon Wayans....runs with it.

I kinda understand about the bio-pic. Ed has BIG allegiance / respect for Pryor (they were good friends, also). I love the idea of him doing SNL tho...that could provide some career heat, I'll wager.

shorttrini said:

scorp84 said:

But, Rock isn't the movie star that Murphy is. His starring roles are really bad, imo., and he can't carry a film the way Eddie can, so he has to go back to what he does best.

Yes he is...The mere fact that Rock has starred in movies that have been more successful that the one's that Eddie has starred in,(except for "Dreamsgirls"), speaks volumes to his success. Eddie is in these movies not only for his kids, but he is HOPING that people will,(and this includes, his long time fans) still support it, simply because he is EDDIE. Rock on the otherhand, has never really played something that is out of his range. He knows that he is FIRST a standup comedian and everything else comes second; Eddie has forgotten this and with every role it gets worse. The ironic thing is, he voluntarily bowed out of the role, that would have put him back on the map....and that was the lead role in the "Richard Pryor", pic. He said that he did not want there to be a conflict with a comedian playing a comedian. Here's from news for Eddie, "Make up your MIND!!" You cannot have it both ways. I hope that Marlon Wayans....runs with it.

Rock's stuff isn't even close to touching Eddie's body of work. Shrek 1, 2, 3, AND 4, anyone? lol The only real success Rock has had as the main character was in "CB4", and that ain't sayin much. The fact that Rock was a bit player in 3 of Eddie's movies speaks volumes to Eddie's success lol. Name recognition & reputation drives EVERY major act's success. Rock has stayed in his lane, because he has very little range, if any. Rock is a lot more reliable on stage than on camera, and that's the way it's always been. Not saying Eddie is the greatest actor alive, but the man is more dynamic than Rock and has more charisma.

About that biopic, who knows? He probably had a lot of doubts going in, being that he was not only his biggest influence, but also good friend of his. He might've felt, in the end, that he couldn't do it justice. I hope Marlon kills it too.

scorp84 said:

shorttrini said:

Yes he is...The mere fact that Rock has starred in movies that have been more successful that the one's that Eddie has starred in,(except for "Dreamsgirls"), speaks volumes to his success. Eddie is in these movies not only for his kids, but he is HOPING that people will,(and this includes, his long time fans) still support it, simply because he is EDDIE. Rock on the otherhand, has never really played something that is out of his range. He knows that he is FIRST a standup comedian and everything else comes second; Eddie has forgotten this and with every role it gets worse. The ironic thing is, he voluntarily bowed out of the role, that would have put him back on the map....and that was the lead role in the "Richard Pryor", pic. He said that he did not want there to be a conflict with a comedian playing a comedian. Here's from news for Eddie, "Make up your MIND!!" You cannot have it both ways. I hope that Marlon Wayans....runs with it.

Rock's stuff isn't even close to touching Eddie's body of work. Shrek 1, 2, 3, AND 4, anyone? lol The only real success Rock has had as the main character was in "CB4", and that ain't sayin much. The fact that Rock was a bit player in 3 of Eddie's movies speaks volumes to Eddie's success lol. Name recognition & reputation drives EVERY major act's success. Rock has stayed in his lane, because he has very little range, if any. Rock is a lot more reliable on stage than on camera, and that's the way it's always been. Not saying Eddie is the greatest actor alive, but the man is more dynamic than Rock and has more charisma.

About that biopic, who knows? He probably had a lot of doubts going in, being that he was not only his biggest influence, but also good friend of his. He might've felt, in the end, that he couldn't do it justice. I hope Marlon kills it too.

LOL, Murphy and Pryor were not good friends.

Murphy and Rock, yes. Murphy discovered Rock.

Well first there are two different Eddie's to look at, first the comedy Eddie. NOW i was telling this guy i work with, who is in his later 20's about Eddie and the days when he was "Funny", and im not talking Boomerang days, because alot of peeps thihnnk that was "eddie" but to me at that point Eddie was done as far as funny, he lost that edge he had. Im talking the eddie that used to take up an hour on Arsenio, who went on the Carson show and took over, who went on Letterman and had that man dieing, thats the real Eddie.

NOW the musical one, if you wanna call it that, as he said, "i just felt like singing" that was an exact quote, so to me people can put down the pop/actress/actor things of today, like the Heidi Montag's and Lohan's andwhomever, but it was the same deal, to me there is VERY little difference in heidi montag cutting an album and Scott Baio cutting one. Its the same though process, i mean shit, Bruce Willis Don Johnson and Eddie Murphy all had gold albums in the same calendar year! why wouldnt other actors and actresses follow that lead.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

scorp84 said:

Rock's stuff isn't even close to touching Eddie's body of work. Shrek 1, 2, 3, AND 4, anyone? lol The only real success Rock has had as the main character was in "CB4", and that ain't sayin much. The fact that Rock was a bit player in 3 of Eddie's movies speaks volumes to Eddie's success lol. Name recognition & reputation drives EVERY major act's success. Rock has stayed in his lane, because he has very little range, if any. Rock is a lot more reliable on stage than on camera, and that's the way it's always been. Not saying Eddie is the greatest actor alive, but the man is more dynamic than Rock and has more charisma.

About that biopic, who knows? He probably had a lot of doubts going in, being that he was not only his biggest influence, but also good friend of his. He might've felt, in the end, that he couldn't do it justice. I hope Marlon kills it too.

LOL, Murphy and Pryor were not good friends.

Murphy and Rock, yes. Murphy discovered Rock.

They sure as hell weren't.

Richard was upset at the way Eddie produced him on "Harlem Nights" and he publicly told the press that he thought Eddie was very insensitive in his comedy, which contrast from what Richard allegedly told Eddie on the phone after Eddie was chastisted by Bill Cosby for the same thing.

lastdecember said:

Well first there are two different Eddie's to look at, first the comedy Eddie. NOW i was telling this guy i work with, who is in his later 20's about Eddie and the days when he was "Funny", and im not talking Boomerang days, because alot of peeps thihnnk that was "eddie" but to me at that point Eddie was done as far as funny, he lost that edge he had. Im talking the eddie that used to take up an hour on Arsenio, who went on the Carson show and took over, who went on Letterman and had that man dieing, thats the real Eddie.

NOW the musical one, if you wanna call it that, as he said, "i just felt like singing" that was an exact quote, so to me people can put down the pop/actress/actor things of today, like the Heidi Montag's and Lohan's andwhomever, but it was the same deal, to me there is VERY little difference in heidi montag cutting an album and Scott Baio cutting one. Its the same though process, i mean shit, Bruce Willis Don Johnson and Eddie Murphy all had gold albums in the same calendar year! why wouldnt other actors and actresses follow that lead.

I agree. I never liked any of Eddie's songs. Only reason I dealt with "Party" was due to Rick James only.

As for Eddie Vs. Chris.....I beg to differ in comic terms. Although apples & oranges to some extent (Ed relied on imitations & absurdity..while Chos is more cerebral).

If you watch "Bring The Pain", "Bigger & Blacker" and "Never Scared"...I think it's hard to say there's any-bod-ee in Chris Rock's league. Eddie cracks me up, but Rock is justa fuckin BRILLIANT comic, IMO. Certainly in the elite of his generation (his "dramatic acting flops aside).

Timmy84 said:

I agree. I never liked any of Eddie's songs. Only reason I dealt with "Party" was due to Rick James only.

By request.

Even James couldn't help that . . .

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JamFanHot said:

As for Eddie Vs. Chris.....I beg to differ in comic terms. Although apples & oranges to some extent (Ed relied on imitations & absurdity..while Chos is more cerebral).

If you watch "Bring The Pain", "Bigger & Blacker" and "Never Scared"...I think it's hard to say there's any-bod-ee in Chris Rock's league. Eddie cracks me up, but Rock is justa fuckin BRILLIANT comic, IMO. Certainly in the elite of his generation (his "dramatic acting flops aside).

You know I was looking at his "Bring the Pain" and "Bigger & Blacker" shows earlier this year and I had to take back what I said about him making me just chuckle. There's points he had me laugh my ass off. His comedy is more like to the bone especially when it comes to serious topics. I always say his finest moment as a stand-up was for "Bigger & Blacker".

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

I agree. I never liked any of Eddie's songs. Only reason I dealt with "Party" was due to Rick James only.

By request.

Even James could help that . . .

That's how I first got to know Rick. I thought he was a girl when I first saw him.

scorp84 said:

shorttrini said:

Yes he is...The mere fact that Rock has starred in movies that have been more successful that the one's that Eddie has starred in,(except for "Dreamsgirls"), speaks volumes to his success. Eddie is in these movies not only for his kids, but he is HOPING that people will,(and this includes, his long time fans) still support it, simply because he is EDDIE. Rock on the otherhand, has never really played something that is out of his range. He knows that he is FIRST a standup comedian and everything else comes second; Eddie has forgotten this and with every role it gets worse. The ironic thing is, he voluntarily bowed out of the role, that would have put him back on the map....and that was the lead role in the "Richard Pryor", pic. He said that he did not want there to be a conflict with a comedian playing a comedian. Here's from news for Eddie, "Make up your MIND!!" You cannot have it both ways. I hope that Marlon Wayans....runs with it.

Rock's stuff isn't even close to touching Eddie's body of work. Shrek 1, 2, 3, AND 4, anyone? lol The only real success Rock has had as the main character was in "CB4", and that ain't sayin much. The fact that Rock was a bit player in 3 of Eddie's movies speaks volumes to Eddie's success lol. Name recognition & reputation drives EVERY major act's success. Rock has stayed in his lane, because he has very little range, if any. Rock is a lot more reliable on stage than on camera, and that's the way it's always been. Not saying Eddie is the greatest actor alive, but the man is more dynamic than Rock and has more charisma.

About that biopic, who knows? He probably had a lot of doubts going in, being that he was not only his biggest influence, but also good friend of his. He might've felt, in the end, that he couldn't do it justice. I hope Marlon kills it too.

Here the problem with your argument. The movies that you mentioned are the one's that he did for kids, especially HIS kids. They are KID's movies, in which he play's an animated character. You failed to mention his movie's, that he made for adults, that BOMBED...Pluto Nash, Norbit, & that BLOCKBUSTER...."Meet Dave". They all sucked. Even though, Rock's movie's weren't big hits, at least they were watchable. Murphy, is relying soley on his rep as a comedian to get him through roles.

Timmy84 said:

JamFanHot said:

As for Eddie Vs. Chris.....I beg to differ in comic terms. Although apples & oranges to some extent (Ed relied on imitations & absurdity..while Chos is more cerebral).

If you watch "Bring The Pain", "Bigger & Blacker" and "Never Scared"...I think it's hard to say there's any-bod-ee in Chris Rock's league. Eddie cracks me up, but Rock is justa fuckin BRILLIANT comic, IMO. Certainly in the elite of his generation (his "dramatic acting flops aside).

You know I was looking at his "Bring the Pain" and "Bigger & Blacker" shows earlier this year and I had to take back what I said about him making me just chuckle. There's points he had me laugh my ass off. His comedy is more like to the bone especially when it comes to serious topics. I always say his finest moment as a stand-up was for "Bigger & Blacker".

I agree. I think "Bring The Pain" is one of the top stand-up's of the last 20 years. You find yourself laughing & then sayin.."HEY....wait a minute....he's F'n RIGHT". The points are so socially cutting..it's laughter with a big dose of reality, too. Much comedy comes from honesty about pain, you know. Rock is one keen observer of such.

Then you watch Ed's impersonation of his drunken father (poorly) singing Motown songs (in the "Raw" stand-up)...that's just fall-on-the-floor funny (and derived from pain at some level)...but hardly as socially deep as what Rock is doin.