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Timmy84

Jim Morrison pardon paints picture of wild night

Morrison pardon papers paint picture of wild night

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — It's a strange sheaf of documents for Florida's governor to have. The thick notebook describes how Jim Morrison discussed sex with a lamb he held on stage, ordered fans to "love your neighbor 'til it hurts" and later, at trial, defended his boozy singing to a prosecutor.

But did the lead singer of The Doors show his genitals to the crowd at the 1969 concert in Miami, a charge on which he was famously convicted? Gov. Charlie Crist wants to posthumously pardon him of indecent exposure and profanity convictions, and the governor's last chance is coming up at a Clemency Board meeting next Thursday. Crist leaves office in January.

To prepare for the meeting, Crist asked his staff to find whatever information they could about the Miami concert, and the governor received a three-ring binder with dozens of pages. The documents paint a vivid picture of a wild night.

At one point, Morrison told the Miami crowd, "I'm talkin' about love your neighbor 'til it hurts! I'm talkin' about grab your friend! I'm talkin' about some love, I'm talkin' about some love, I'm talking about some love, I'm talkin' about love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love! Grab your (expletive) friend and love him! Come on! Yeah!"

The quote was transcribed from a recording of the show by the editor of a fan magazine and included in the binder, a copy of which was provided to The Associated Press. Other materials detail some of Morrison's trial testimony, a letter from Morrison's father to the Florida Parole Commission and other information about the long-dead rocker. It also includes information on other arrests of the singer in Tallahassee when Morrison was a Florida State University student; New Haven, Conn.; Las Vegas and Phoenix.

The research, much of it culled from websites such as www.rockmine.com., projects the image of a man who had problems with alcohol and had a penchant for mischief. But Crist believes it also casts doubt on the 1970 conviction. After reviewing it, he said he was reminded of something Bob Butterworth, his predecessor as the state's attorney general, once told him.

"It is very important to prosecute the guilty, but it is more important to exonerate the innocent, and I can't help to have that over and over in my mind with Jim Morrison," Crist said. "The more I think about it the more I think an injustice was being done."

The governor's office stressed that the binder is an informal report and that the Parole Commission is conducting its own investigation, the results of which will be presented to Crist and the rest of the Clemency Board.

One of Crist's documents is a reconstruction of the March 1, 1969, concert at the Dinner Key Auditorium prepared by Rainer Moddemann, editor of "The Doors Quarterly Magazine." He prepared it from a recording of the event, along with photos and witness accounts. Morrison often slurred through songs, or stopped in the middle of them to rant against authority.

During the show, Morrison put his hand in his pants and fiddled with his belt, but The Doors' road manager pulled Morrison by the belt and held him before he could unbuckle it, according to Moddemann's article. Morrison responded by saying, "No, c'mon, wait a minute! Wait a minute! I'm not gonna go on! I'm not gonna take this (expletive)! I'm coppin' out."

Later in the concert, Morrison was brought a live lamb. He talked about having sex with it, but ultimately decided: "She's too young!"

Morrison was acquitted of a lewd and lascivious behavior and drunkenness charge. He was sentenced to six months in jail and a $500 fine for the profanity and indecent exposure convictions. But he never did the time: With his case on appeal, he was found dead in a Paris bathtub in 1971 at age 27.

In a partial transcript from Morrison's trial, he told a prosecutor the custom-made leather pants he wore that night didn't have pockets. "Since the pants don't have pockets, sometimes I put my hand in, you know, with the thumb hanging out in lieu of pockets."

He also revealed he was wearing boxer shorts that night.

"It was kind of unusual, really, because I don't usually wear undergarments," Morrison testified. "I got out of the habit about four years ago."

At times Morrison answered prosecutor's questions sarcastically, such as when he was asked how much his band mates were drinking: "Well, I don't count how many beers they drink, you know."

The prosecutor asked Morrison about his singing being "off that night." Morrison said, "I am sure that you are aware that that is just a matter of opinion."

"Was it or was it not off timing?" the prosecutor asked.

"What is timing?" Morrison responded.

"Answer the question," the prosecutor ordered.

"Well, some people think I sing off key, but I don't. And some people might think I sing off time. I might not," the singer said.

Another item is a letter Morrison's father, Navy Admiral George Morrison, wrote at the request of the parole commission before Morrison's sentencing hearing.

"As in all his academic work through grade school, high school, and college, he was an excellent student. While he had always been an intellectual rebel, he had always obeyed and respected authority," he wrote.

A Florida State University transcript released to The Associated Press on Friday shows Morrison was mostly an A and B student during his four trimesters from 1961 to 1963. Some of his best grades were for courses called Philosophy of Protest, Collective Behavior, Essentials of Acting and The Nature of Theater. He received Cs in a few science course, and his worst grade, a "DC," was in intermediate Spanish.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

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Reply #1 posted 12/05/10 10:20am

paniuroczy

This is one of the things that made him great. Jim Morrison is a legend, I fucking love him. Sucks that he had to go through this, especially before his death. He was a nut on stage, but I guess he didn't actually expose himself. innocent

Whatever he did, though, I still love him. love Listening to The Doors as I write.

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Reply #2 posted 12/05/10 10:23am

Timmy84

paniuroczy said:

This is one of the things that made him great. Jim Morrison is a legend, I fucking love him. Sucks that he had to go through this, especially before his death. He was a nut on stage, but I guess he didn't actually expose himself. innocent

Whatever he did, though, I still love him. love Listening to The Doors as I write.

I agree. He was so dangerous and unique at the same time. He was truly one of the greatest front men to emerge in rock music. I hope he does get a pardon as I think there was some criminal misconduct in how the trial was conducted. Ray Manzarek himself said that Jim didn't expose himself and I bet his fellow Doors band mates would back him up too.

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Reply #3 posted 12/05/10 10:12pm

paniuroczy

You might be very interested in this:

Part1:http://bit.ly/hIrm7g

Part2:http://bit.ly/hIkOnv

Part3:http://bit.ly/hSgI5k

Part4:http://bit.ly/g90unf

Part5:http://bit.ly/gH221h

Also, an interview with his father and sister: http://bit.ly/gM3GiN

Btw, have you seen the movie "When You're Strange"? I've been meaning to see it.

I am very interested in The Doors. Jim Morrison is a fascinating person. square

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Reply #4 posted 12/06/10 6:47am

brooksie

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paniuroczy said:

You might be very interested in this:

Part1:http://bit.ly/hIrm7g

Part2:http://bit.ly/hIkOnv

Part3:http://bit.ly/hSgI5k

Part4:http://bit.ly/g90unf

Part5:http://bit.ly/gH221h

Also, an interview with his father and sister: http://bit.ly/gM3GiN

Btw, have you seen the movie "When You're Strange"? I've been meaning to see it.

I am very interested in The Doors. Jim Morrison is a fascinating person. square

Yeah, I saw it if it's the recent one narrated by Johnny Depp. cool It was very good....it reminded me of just how great The Doors were.

This one is a def must-see if you're a Doors fan.

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Reply #5 posted 12/06/10 9:38am

paniuroczy

brooksie said:

paniuroczy said:

You might be very interested in this:

Part1:http://bit.ly/hIrm7g

Part2:http://bit.ly/hIkOnv

Part3:http://bit.ly/hSgI5k

Part4:http://bit.ly/g90unf

Part5:http://bit.ly/gH221h

Also, an interview with his father and sister: http://bit.ly/gM3GiN

Btw, have you seen the movie "When You're Strange"? I've been meaning to see it.

I am very interested in The Doors. Jim Morrison is a fascinating person. square

Yeah, I saw it if it's the recent one narrated by Johnny Depp. cool It was very good....it reminded me of just how great The Doors were.

This one is a def must-see if you're a Doors fan.

Yeah, I've been meaning to see it. I'm a huge Doors fan. They really were great. Can't wait to see it biggrin

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Reply #6 posted 12/06/10 10:19am

dalsh327

I got the impression that Morrison hated Florida, and was not looking forward to playing there, he had past history with law enforcement as a teenager there.

I'm pretty sure John McCain's dad and Jim Morrison's dad had known each other because they were both admirals, and had Morrison taken an interest in military life, would prob have been a great leader.

He did want to protect his image and his family when an interviewer asked him about his parents and he said they were dead. They never went to his shows, but his sister and brother did.

Jim's dad was retired and had a nice pension, but he was convinced by his kids (and prob, the Doors) that if he didn't do something about it, Pam's parents were going to wind up having control of Jim's estate. I think it's kind of amusing that he didn't get his son's music, but I completely get why he would tell Jim that he was no singer. He's from that Bing Crosby/Frank Sinatra era... but I'm sure if Frank had recorded a Doors song, it would've impressed his dad.

I'm sure the governor's a Doors fan and in time this would allow for buildings,landmarks and memorials in Jim's name, even though he was the essence of rock and roll rebellion. But if they do that, he prob. would've found it amusing. But in terms of culture, he did contribute a lot.

If you read about his last months in Florida, the trial was looming, and he had no plans of going to Florida prison. If it wasn't for his girlfriend getting into hard drugs, he might have lived long enough to be cleared of charges and record one or two more albums.

I think he would've gone in the direction Sam Sheperd went in - writing screenplays, plays, appearing in movies as a character actor, and the music would've been secondary. In those clips of him playing live in 1970, he just seemed like he was less theatrical and just sticking to singing. He lost his mojo, so to speak.

If he had exposed himself, the photos would've been out there by now. Even though it wasn't filmed, there were plenty of photos from the concert. But if someone had their 8mm camera that day, they'd prob. be a millionaire with that footage, because it was such an infmaous gig.

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Reply #7 posted 12/06/10 1:07pm

paniuroczy

dalsh327 said:

I got the impression that Morrison hated Florida, and was not looking forward to playing there, he had past history with law enforcement as a teenager there.

I'm pretty sure John McCain's dad and Jim Morrison's dad had known each other because they were both admirals, and had Morrison taken an interest in military life, would prob have been a great leader.

He did want to protect his image and his family when an interviewer asked him about his parents and he said they were dead. They never went to his shows, but his sister and brother did.

Jim's dad was retired and had a nice pension, but he was convinced by his kids (and prob, the Doors) that if he didn't do something about it, Pam's parents were going to wind up having control of Jim's estate. I think it's kind of amusing that he didn't get his son's music, but I completely get why he would tell Jim that he was no singer. He's from that Bing Crosby/Frank Sinatra era... but I'm sure if Frank had recorded a Doors song, it would've impressed his dad.

I'm sure the governor's a Doors fan and in time this would allow for buildings,landmarks and memorials in Jim's name, even though he was the essence of rock and roll rebellion. But if they do that, he prob. would've found it amusing. But in terms of culture, he did contribute a lot.

If you read about his last months in Florida, the trial was looming, and he had no plans of going to Florida prison. If it wasn't for his girlfriend getting into hard drugs, he might have lived long enough to be cleared of charges and record one or two more albums.

I think he would've gone in the direction Sam Sheperd went in - writing screenplays, plays, appearing in movies as a character actor, and the music would've been secondary. In those clips of him playing live in 1970, he just seemed like he was less theatrical and just sticking to singing. He lost his mojo, so to speak.

If he had exposed himself, the photos would've been out there by now. Even though it wasn't filmed, there were plenty of photos from the concert. But if someone had their 8mm camera that day, they'd prob. be a millionaire with that footage, because it was such an infmaous gig.

Yeah, they said Jim Morrison had a slight interest in the military, from a distance, but not in the military life. He didn't want that for himself, in any way shape or form. He definitely had many great qualities of a leader, but he was always rebellious and therefore wouldn't be too great for the military, in my opinion. I can't see that at all.

I don't know if it was about protecting his image, because it was said that his parents were dead to him. He would sing about it. If you look up a live version of "When the Music's Over", he says:

"Father?"

"Yes, son."

"I want to kill you."

It was said that he tried so hard to avoid his parents. I don't think it was necessarily about protecting his image. I don't think he cared about their image in the first place.

It does seem as if his dad doesn't get any of it. He said he didn't even listen to his music. It seems that he really does love his son, but I don't think he tried to understand him even. I get why he didn't understand, but why he didn't try is beyond me. I understand how he would be shocked, too. It was completely random and unexpected of him, especially for his family. It sucks, though; he doesn't seem to know how great his son really was. Jim was an enigma and a legend in his own right.

I don't know if there would be landmarks and memorials and buildings in Jim's name. In fact, I don't think that's what Jim really wanted in the first place. He didn't want to be known as a rockstar. He wanted to be known as the incredible poet that he truly was. Because he was a rockstar, people didn't give his writing or poetry a chance. They didn't take it seriously. I don't know if I would even want landmarks and memorials of him. He should be remembered with his writing. I am planning to buy his poetry books soon. I think that's what he wanted of Doors fans more than anything, but nobody took it seriously enough. I think he should be remembered through his writing, and that's what I'll do.

It's true, though; if Pamela wasn't into hard drugs, he might've lived longer. But, maybe he would've killed himself anyways, through his drinking and such. He was a hard drinker. He lived so fast. I wouldn't be surprised if it could've been something else along the way.

I think that he would focus on poetry more than anything. That's why he moved to Paris. He saw himself as a poet more than anything. But considering how he was interested in film and went to film school, etc. I think that he definitely would've made movies and wrote screenplays and stuff. I mean, before he died, he was working on a movie, anyways. I also agree that music would be a side thing. He lost his mojo because of the toll he was putting on himself through some of the drugs and drinking, as well as the fact that he was very restricted with what he was doing. The FBI was onto him for writing anti-war songs. There were people constantly nagging on his every move, he could barely do much.

He didn't expose himself, I know that for sure. There were many people who confirmed this. He threatened to, but someone (I forgot who) made sure it was physically impossible for him (they maneuvered his belt in some way, I don't know, I forgot. It was in some video, I believe...). There is no doubt in my mind, because of his unpredictability, his wilds and his drinking, that he might've done it if he could. He was crazy. But I think that's one of the best things about him.

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Reply #8 posted 12/06/10 1:10pm

Timmy84

^ Hmm I think the song where he visions wanting to kill his father was "The End".

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Reply #9 posted 12/06/10 1:50pm

paniuroczy

Timmy84 said:

^ Hmm I think the song where he visions wanting to kill his father was "The End".

Whoops, my bad. Thanks for correcting me.

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Reply #10 posted 12/06/10 2:51pm

Timmy84

paniuroczy said:

Timmy84 said:

^ Hmm I think the song where he visions wanting to kill his father was "The End".

Whoops, my bad. Thanks for correcting me.

Welcome. smile

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Reply #11 posted 12/06/10 3:30pm

elmer

paniuroczy said:

I don't know if it was about protecting his image, because it was said that his parents were dead to him. He would sing about it. If you look up a live version of "When the Music's Over", he says:

"Father?"

"Yes, son."

"I want to kill you."

It was said that he tried so hard to avoid his parents. I don't think it was necessarily about protecting his image. I don't think he cared about their image in the first place.

He lifted that from the Oedipus Complex.

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