MOL said:

You are all just jealous you're not a part of the first family of music. So, Jermaine doesn't pay child support?! You know why? Because his selfish brother didn't include him in the will. Had the so called superstar given Jermaine a legacy-based monthly allowance- at least out of consideration for being the co-lead singer of the J5- and he would be paying child support. Jermaine has always benefited from Michael's wealth, so why stop now? Remember; if there was no Jermaine, there would be no J5 and, therefore, there would be no MJ. "His [MJ's] success is our success". In a way, MJ betrayed his older brother; he used to give Jermaine lots of money as he rightfully deserved and, in death, he refused to do so. Selfish!

Michael chose to ignore the heartthrob of the Jackson Family, his back bone and, now, because of him, Jermaine has no choice other than to oppose his values and not pay the damn child support. I pray Joe and Katherine, the legacy main creators, are able to stand up and say: "Hey, executors, you exploited our beloved son since he was a child. You tortured him endlessly for your own benefit, until the day he died. It's time to stop. We, as a family unit, will protect him and survive this."

Remember; the Jacksons also hurt. They're human beings, they're a family.

LOL.

I'm pretty sure I know exactly what you're implying with this post.

MOL said:

bboy87 said:

As a MJ fan, you're jealous Michael wasn't a part of the dynasty anymore. He chose to isolate himself from the unity, from the family. They just wanted the best for him, but Michael refused to see that all Joe and Jermaine and Randy and company wanted was L.O.V.E. from him.

But he chose the drugs!

I hope, though, that the fraudulent will will be exposed.

JUSTICE FOR THE JACKSONS.

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WaterInYourBath said:

MOL said:

You are all just jealous you're not a part of the first family of music. So, Jermaine doesn't pay child support?! You know why? Because his selfish brother didn't include him in the will. Had the so called superstar given Jermaine a legacy-based monthly allowance- at least out of consideration for being the co-lead singer of the J5- and he would be paying child support. Jermaine has always benefited from Michael's wealth, so why stop now? Remember; if there was no Jermaine, there would be no J5 and, therefore, there would be no MJ. "His [MJ's] success is our success". In a way, MJ betrayed his older brother; he used to give Jermaine lots of money as he rightfully deserved and, in death, he refused to do so. Selfish!

Michael chose to ignore the heartthrob of the Jackson Family, his back bone and, now, because of him, Jermaine has no choice other than to oppose his values and not pay the damn child support. I pray Joe and Katherine, the legacy main creators, are able to stand up and say: "Hey, executors, you exploited our beloved son since he was a child. You tortured him endlessly for your own benefit, until the day he died. It's time to stop. We, as a family unit, will protect him and survive this."

Remember; the Jacksons also hurt. They're human beings, they're a family.

LOL.

I'm pretty sure I know exactly what you're implying with this post.

uPtoWnNY said:

WaterInYourBath said:

LOL.

I'm pretty sure I know exactly what you're implying with this post.

Just remember: keep the dynasty alive! The Jacksons are a unity. They hurt together, they feel together...they're a family. But there are evildoers who, jealous of the Jacksons, keep conspiring against them.

Latoya said, a year ago, there were people conspiring to kill her. We must keep an eye on the evildoers! If something happens to Toy Toy, the Pope of Pop, we already know why. However, there is something we don't know: who did it? Was it the executors named in the fraudulent will?

I just don't want Joe to bury another of his beloved children.

And what about the autopsy? Who bribed the coroner to write Mj was in perfect health and his body had no signs of drug addiction? Who bribed all those people in contact with MJ to say there was never signs of drug addiction? Was it the racist AEG? Poor Jacksons; is it because they're black?

Justice for the Jacksons, the first family of music!

Timmy84 said:

angel345 said:

Not at all, and that's why major acts were suing and leaving Motown left and right. They were screwed. As for songwriting, the question is did Berry Gordy write these songs or did he just took away the credit to get royalties off of them.

Berry did write songs in the beginning of the Motown period and he was known as one of the main songwriters behind Jackie Wilson's hits. As for after Motown, it's a good possibility but who knows? I often question his input in the Jackson 5's hits, he's credited as a songwriter on those.

Anyone whom has seen "Why Do Fools Fall In Love" will surely get a glimpse of how malicious and underhanded the music business can be. MJ made a wise decision because he knew the trial would be pointless, costly, and you will get nothing.

Mol: JJ did NOT pay because he was NOT in the will?

Classic.

The only reason Jermaine shouldn't have to pay is because Alehoedra is still living with his mother, living off Michael's money. It's not like she needs it...

[Edited 12/7/10 10:05am]

kibbles said:

whatsgoingon said:

There is no need why any of the brothers should be in this situation. Well before MJ went completely solo, the Jacksons as a group had sold over 100 million records. When the Jacksons moved to Epic they wrote and produced albums like Destiny and Triumph which were multi-million sellers. Since the death of MJ the Jackson 5/Jacksons albums have sold over a million in America alone, so God knows what they have sold world-wide, so the brothers should have royalties coming out of their ears. Now I know Jermaine was not part of the Jacksons but has someone said he did have his own relatively successful career, therefore there is no real reason why he or the other brothers should be in such financial mess. By the way apart from MJ, whose finances were also in a mess before his death, JACKIE is the only other brother never to have filed for bankruptcy.

[Edited 12/6/10 12:47pm]

motown was not known for its generous royalty rates. in the book, 'where did our love go' by nelson george, he states that the j5 were paid a 2.7% royalty rate while they were with motown, which works out to $2,700,000 for 100 million records. assuming their royalty rate is true and hasn't changed in all these years, if the same rate is applied to only 1,000,000, then it is only $27,000. the people really profiting from any re-interest in the j5 are the people who wrote those songs, i.e., berry gordy, et al

now, obviously, they toured during these years, non-stop, when they were kids, so they were certainly making bank; the money is in touring for an act. but again, the j5 ended in 1975 with jermaine's departure, a full 35 years ago.

mj's estate, randy and jackie in particular may be bringing in royalties for the jacksons work, but remember that's based mainly on only two albums, destiny and triumph. i doubt any but the more hardcore fans who remember mj for most of his 40 years instead of his thriller and beyond years are buying these two albums.

long story short, i don't think these guys (except mj's estate) are 'rolling' in royalties. which is why jermaine is pimping himself - and those kids who don't even live with him, but live with his momma - to that uk mag. mj funneled money to his family out guilty or obligation or both to maintain them in the lives to which HE had become accustomed.

[Edited 12/6/10 19:21pm]

I am not talking sorely of their Motown years. They actually sold more albums with Epic and got a better royalty rate. With Triumph and Destiny they practically wrote and produced the albums themselves. After the death of MJ those albums sold millions world-wide. Also The Jacksons tours were quite lucrative. If they invested well they shouldn't be in this situation. Jackie has never gone bankrupt, so he obviously was wiser with his money. Jermaine was never part of the Jacksons, but he produced other artists, as well as having his own success.

whatsgoingon said:

kibbles said:

motown was not known for its generous royalty rates. in the book, 'where did our love go' by nelson george, he states that the j5 were paid a 2.7% royalty rate while they were with motown, which works out to $2,700,000 for 100 million records. assuming their royalty rate is true and hasn't changed in all these years, if the same rate is applied to only 1,000,000, then it is only $27,000. the people really profiting from any re-interest in the j5 are the people who wrote those songs, i.e., berry gordy, et al

now, obviously, they toured during these years, non-stop, when they were kids, so they were certainly making bank; the money is in touring for an act. but again, the j5 ended in 1975 with jermaine's departure, a full 35 years ago.

mj's estate, randy and jackie in particular may be bringing in royalties for the jacksons work, but remember that's based mainly on only two albums, destiny and triumph. i doubt any but the more hardcore fans who remember mj for most of his 40 years instead of his thriller and beyond years are buying these two albums.

long story short, i don't think these guys (except mj's estate) are 'rolling' in royalties. which is why jermaine is pimping himself - and those kids who don't even live with him, but live with his momma - to that uk mag. mj funneled money to his family out guilty or obligation or both to maintain them in the lives to which HE had become accustomed.

[Edited 12/6/10 19:21pm]

I am not talking sorely of their Motown years. They actually sold more albums with Epic and got a better royalty rate. With Triumph and Destiny they practically wrote and produced the albums themselves. After the death of MJ those albums sold millions world-wide. Also The Jacksons tours were quite lucrative. If they invested well they shouldn't be in this situation. Jackie has never gone bankrupt, so he obviously was wiser with his money. Jermaine was never part of the Jacksons, but he produced other artists, as well as having his own success.

Have you read Margaret Maldonado's book? He's not as well off as you may think. I think even his own solo success at Motown was in ownership of Motown, not him. He never fought for a lucrative deal like Stevie for example.

Why doesn't he just get it from Katherine and Joe since they like to bumrush the court with claims of financial hardship. In life and even still in death...MJ'smoney is supporting these leeches.

Jermaine need to market that face oil and hair shelac. Somebody somewhere will buy that shit. Heck folk bought LaToya's album which means the public will buy anything.

Graycap23 said:

Mol: JJ did NOT pay because he was NOT in the will?

Classic.

Don't you say that about Jermaine, the son of Joseph!!! Remember: they hurt, they grieve, they're human beings...*tilts head and lowers voice* they're a family!

Eheh.

I was being sarcastic in my posts. That one about the will perfectly shows that but I guess someone doens't know the definition of "sarcasm". And that is also classic. Either that or you're mad you're not a part of the dynastttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Or you can't stand the fact that they're the first family of music. Is it because they're black?

Who's after Latoya???

Actual talent maybe???

DesireeNevermind said:

Why doesn't he just get it from Katherine and Joe since they like to bumrush the court with claims of financial hardship. In life and even still in death...MJ'smoney is supporting these leeches.

Jermaine need to market that face oil and hair shelac. Somebody somewhere will buy that shit. Heck folk bought LaToya's album which means the public will buy anything.

He's gonna have to buy Clay Dough now.

funkpill said:

Who's after Latoya???

Actual talent maybe???

Talent and a brain.

MOL said:

Graycap23 said:

Mol: JJ did NOT pay because he was NOT in the will?

Classic.

Don't you say that about Jermaine, the son of Joseph!!! Remember: they hurt, they grieve, they're human beings...*tilts head and lowers voice* they're a family!

Eheh.

I was being sarcastic in my posts. That one about the will perfectly shows that but I guess someone doens't know the definition of "sarcasm". And that is also classic. Either that or you're mad you're not a part of the dynastttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Or you can't stand the fact that they're the first family of music. Is it because they're black?

MOL.................I know u were, that is why I'm laughing.

It was good 2...............

WaterInYourBath said:

MOL said:

You are all just jealous you're not a part of the first family of music. So, Jermaine doesn't pay child support?! You know why? Because his selfish brother didn't include him in the will. Had the so called superstar given Jermaine a legacy-based monthly allowance- at least out of consideration for being the co-lead singer of the J5- and he would be paying child support. Jermaine has always benefited from Michael's wealth, so why stop now? Remember; if there was no Jermaine, there would be no J5 and, therefore, there would be no MJ. "His [MJ's] success is our success". In a way, MJ betrayed his older brother; he used to give Jermaine lots of money as he rightfully deserved and, in death, he refused to do so. Selfish!

Michael chose to ignore the heartthrob of the Jackson Family, his back bone and, now, because of him, Jermaine has no choice other than to oppose his values and not pay the damn child support. I pray Joe and Katherine, the legacy main creators, are able to stand up and say: "Hey, executors, you exploited our beloved son since he was a child. You tortured him endlessly for your own benefit, until the day he died. It's time to stop. We, as a family unit, will protect him and survive this."

Remember; the Jacksons also hurt. They're human beings, they're a family.

LOL.

I'm pretty sure I know exactly what you're implying with this post.

I've actually caught on now too.

The entire family grosses me out.

THEM AINT MY BABIES YOUR HONOR!

I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY YOUR HONOR!

I WAS SEXUALLY VIOLATED YOUR HONOR!

I CAN'T PAY ON THE COUNT OF MY ARTHRITUS YOUR HONOR!

YOU TOLD JOE TO BEAT ME!

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whatsgoingon said:

kibbles said:

motown was not known for its generous royalty rates. in the book, 'where did our love go' by nelson george, he states that the j5 were paid a 2.7% royalty rate while they were with motown, which works out to $2,700,000 for 100 million records. assuming their royalty rate is true and hasn't changed in all these years, if the same rate is applied to only 1,000,000, then it is only $27,000. the people really profiting from any re-interest in the j5 are the people who wrote those songs, i.e., berry gordy, et al

now, obviously, they toured during these years, non-stop, when they were kids, so they were certainly making bank; the money is in touring for an act. but again, the j5 ended in 1975 with jermaine's departure, a full 35 years ago.

mj's estate, randy and jackie in particular may be bringing in royalties for the jacksons work, but remember that's based mainly on only two albums, destiny and triumph. i doubt any but the more hardcore fans who remember mj for most of his 40 years instead of his thriller and beyond years are buying these two albums.

long story short, i don't think these guys (except mj's estate) are 'rolling' in royalties. which is why jermaine is pimping himself - and those kids who don't even live with him, but live with his momma - to that uk mag. mj funneled money to his family out guilty or obligation or both to maintain them in the lives to which HE had become accustomed.

[Edited 12/6/10 19:21pm]

I am not talking sorely of their Motown years. They actually sold more albums with Epic and got a better royalty rate. With Triumph and Destiny they practically wrote and produced the albums themselves. After the death of MJ those albums sold millions world-wide. Also The Jacksons tours were quite lucrative. If they invested well they shouldn't be in this situation. Jackie has never gone bankrupt, so he obviously was wiser with his money. Jermaine was never part of the Jacksons, but he produced other artists, as well as having his own success.

kibbles said:

whatsgoingon said:

I am not talking sorely of their Motown years. They actually sold more albums with Epic and got a better royalty rate. With Triumph and Destiny they practically wrote and produced the albums themselves. After the death of MJ those albums sold millions world-wide. Also The Jacksons tours were quite lucrative. If they invested well they shouldn't be in this situation. Jackie has never gone bankrupt, so he obviously was wiser with his money. Jermaine was never part of the Jacksons, but he produced other artists, as well as having his own success.

sorely? you mean 'solely'? as i pointed out, destiny and triumph are only two albums, and while they may have negotiated a better royalty rate at epic, let's say even 10%, everything is mitigated by the fact that those albums did not sell nearly as well as you're implying. if wiki's info is correct, destiny sold 2 million units worldwide. at a 10% royalty rate, that still is only $200,000. double the royalty rate, and you're only talking $400,000 (and we all know the jacksons didn't have no damn 20% royalty rate). in the wake of mj's death, they may have moved another million units, but that money has to be split five ways. as i also pointed out, certain members of the j5 may get more because they wrote songs, but i doubt 'shake your body' is a lucrative as 'billy jean' in terms of royalty payments. i know that the brothers toured, but lucratively? no. you're clearly unaware that katherine jackson came crying to mj in '84, begging him to do the victory tour with his brothers because the family needed the money. the family proceeded to soak mj's fans who were turning up to see him, not his glorified backup singers, with high tix prices. just because jackie hasn't declared bankruptcy means nothing. it means he's lived within his means, which is something a lot of people, rich and poor, are able to do on a daily basis, i would say most people on the org. it proves absolutely nothing.

Yeah people forget their royalties in Epic were split five ways. Jermaine didn't write nothing on Victory, the other brothers did so again Jermaine didn't get any money from the album. Marlon's penned single didn't do so good ("Body"). "Torture" only did decent because it was almost typical of Michael's sound (same with "State of Shock") and he co-wrote both of them ("Torture", he co-wrote with Jackie so that was split two ways) and that didn't even go gold despite its chart success, "State of Shock" went gold but Michael was the only Jackson who contributed lyrics.

Plus Michael solely wrote more songs for the brothers than they did on their own and sometimes they wanted to share credit with Michael ("Things I Do for You" and "Walk Right Now" being obvious examples).

phunkdaddy said:

WaterInYourBath said:

LOL.

I'm pretty sure I know exactly what you're implying with this post.

I've actually caught on now too.

MOL's responses in here are hilarious, especially when she/he replied sarcastically with "Justice For The Jacksons." Ha ha ha....

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[Edited 12/7/10 16:25pm]

WaterInYourBath said:

MOL said:

You are all just jealous you're not a part of the first family of music. So, Jermaine doesn't pay child support?! You know why? Because his selfish brother didn't include him in the will. Had the so called superstar given Jermaine a legacy-based monthly allowance- at least out of consideration for being the co-lead singer of the J5- and he would be paying child support. Jermaine has always benefited from Michael's wealth, so why stop now? Remember; if there was no Jermaine, there would be no J5 and, therefore, there would be no MJ. "His [MJ's] success is our success". In a way, MJ betrayed his older brother; he used to give Jermaine lots of money as he rightfully deserved and, in death, he refused to do so. Selfish!

Michael chose to ignore the heartthrob of the Jackson Family, his back bone and, now, because of him, Jermaine has no choice other than to oppose his values and not pay the damn child support. I pray Joe and Katherine, the legacy main creators, are able to stand up and say: "Hey, executors, you exploited our beloved son since he was a child. You tortured him endlessly for your own benefit, until the day he died. It's time to stop. We, as a family unit, will protect him and survive this."

Remember; the Jacksons also hurt. They're human beings, they're a family.

LOL.

I'm pretty sure I know exactly what you're implying with this post.

Evildoer!

Graycap23 said:

MOL said:

Don't you say that about Jermaine, the son of Joseph!!! Remember: they hurt, they grieve, they're human beings...*tilts head and lowers voice* they're a family!

Eheh.

I was being sarcastic in my posts. That one about the will perfectly shows that but I guess someone doens't know the definition of "sarcasm". And that is also classic. Either that or you're mad you're not a part of the dynastttyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. Or you can't stand the fact that they're the first family of music. Is it because they're black?

MOL.................I know u were, that is why I'm laughing.

It was good 2...............

I'm sorry then.

In any case, remember that you shouldn't mock ...

Jermaine, the son of Joseph.

man fuck jermaine's broke azz! If he were a woman we'd be saying he shouldn't have had all them kids. Dude can't manage what money he does have. I think he's faking and just doesn't want to get up off the cash. Watch him knock up some other broad in the next year or so.

It doesn't make any difference what Jermaine's has, had, lost, gets, or made; pay for the support of your kids. As someone said, if it means taking a job at Poco Loco whatever, all honest work is honorable. If he's really broke, than show the court he can't afford $3,000 a month they'll reduce his support.

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[Edited 12/7/10 16:42pm]

TD3 said:

It doesn't make any difference what Jermaine's has, lost, gets, or made; pay for the support of your kids. As someone said, if it means taking a job at Poco Loco whatever, all honest work is honorable. If he's really broke and show the courts he can't afford $3,000 a month they'll reduce his support.

Yep, that's exactly how it ought to be and how it goes. Sounds to me like the old fool doesn't want to pay nary a dime. That's suspicious; Alejandra being kicked out. Jermaine is only making things worse for himself.

DesireeNevermind said:

TD3 said:

It doesn't make any difference what Jermaine's has, lost, gets, or made; pay for the support of your kids. As someone said, if it means taking a job at Poco Loco whatever, all honest work is honorable. If he's really broke and show the courts he can't afford $3,000 a month they'll reduce his support.

Yep, that's exactly how it ought to be and how it goes. Sounds to me like the old fool doesn't want to pay nary a dime. That's suspicious; Alejandra being kicked out. Jermaine is only making things worse for himself.

I'm not gonna be shocked if one day I wake up and read the headlines: JERMAINE JACKSON ORDERED TO PAY CHILD SUPPORT OR BE SENT TO JAIL.

^ I hope that doesn't happen. How embarassing would that be? The kids still wouldn't get any money.

I'd hate to see what would happen to his skin and hair once he got locked up. I don't think they sell soul glow, blue magic and crisco in prison do they?