You are all just jealous you're not a part of the first family of music. So, Jermaine doesn't pay child support?! You know why? Because his selfish brother didn't include him in the will. Had the so called superstar given Jermaine a legacy-based monthly allowance- at least out of consideration for being the co-lead singer of the J5- and he would be paying child support. Jermaine has always benefited from Michael's wealth, so why stop now? Remember; if there was no Jermaine, there would be no J5 and, therefore, there would be no MJ. "His [MJ's] success is our success". In a way, MJ betrayed his older brother; he used to give Jermaine lots of money as he rightfully deserved and, in death, he refused to do so. Selfish!

Michael chose to ignore the heartthrob of the Jackson Family, his back bone and, now, because of him, Jermaine has no choice other than to oppose his values and not pay the damn child support. I pray Joe and Katherine, the legacy main creators, are able to stand up and say: "Hey, executors, you exploited our beloved son since he was a child. You tortured him endlessly for your own benefit, until the day he died. It's time to stop. We, as a family unit, will protect him and survive this."

Remember; the Jacksons also hurt. They're human beings, they're a family.

[Edited 12/6/10 17:26pm]

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

@ you calling it "hair"

Yeah it's a Chia Pet.

That muthafucka got Suzy Q curls in his sideburns and is tryin' to bring back his shag from the Precious Moments album cover

Jerm's skin looks like melted Lego blocks

His hair is so fertile if you sprout water on it, flowers and daisies will be on his sideburns and on top of his dome.

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah it's a Chia Pet.

That muthafucka got Suzy Q curls in his sideburns and is tryin' to bring back his shag from the Precious Moments album cover

Jerm's skin looks like melted Lego blocks

It looks like melted clay. Hell his whole head is shaped like a Lego block.

MOL said:

You are all just jealous you're not a part of the first family of music. So, Jermaine doesn't pay child support?! You know why? Because his selfish brother didn't include him in the will. Had the so called superstar given Jermaine a legacy-based monthly allowance- at least out of consideration for being the co-lead singer of the J5- and he would be paying child support. Jermaine has always benefited from Michael's wealth, so why stop now? Remember; if there was no Jermaine, there would be no J5 and, therefore, there would be no MJ. "His [MJ's] success is our success". In a way, MJ betrayed his older brother; he used to give Jermaine lots of money as he rightfully deserved and, in death, he refused to do so. Selfish!

Michael chose to ignore the heartthrob of the Jackson Family, his back bone and, now, because of him, Jermaine has no choice other than to oppose his values and not pay the damn child support. I pray Joe and Katherine, the legacy main creators, are able to stand up and say: "Hey, executors, you exploited our beloved son since he was a child. You tortured him endlessly for your own benefit, until the day he died. It's time to stop. We, as a family unit, will protect him and survive this."

Remember; the Jacksons also hurt. They're human beings, they're a family.

[Edited 12/6/10 17:26pm]

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Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

That muthafucka got Suzy Q curls in his sideburns and is tryin' to bring back his shag from the Precious Moments album cover

Jerm's skin looks like melted Lego blocks

It looks like melted clay. Hell his whole head is shaped like a Lego block.

C'mon Timmy. They hurt, they grieve, they feel. They are impacted. They're human beings. THEY'RE A FAMILY.

JEALOUS!

Timmy84 said:

His hair is so fertile if you sprout water on it, flowers and daisies will be on his sideburns and on top of his dome.

Nah the water would come out dark as hell, lookin' like Lipton Iced Tea

I'd like ice with mine, please!

His eyes look like they're melting off him too. Looking like a black Glacier.

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

His hair is so fertile if you sprout water on it, flowers and daisies will be on his sideburns and on top of his dome.

Nah the water would come out dark as hell, lookin' like Lipton Iced Tea

I'd like ice with mine, please!

Nah it'll look like Pepsi.

bboy87 said:

MOL said:

You are all just jealous you're not a part of the first family of music. So, Jermaine doesn't pay child support?! You know why? Because his selfish brother didn't include him in the will. Had the so called superstar given Jermaine a legacy-based monthly allowance- at least out of consideration for being the co-lead singer of the J5- and he would be paying child support. Jermaine has always benefited from Michael's wealth, so why stop now? Remember; if there was no Jermaine, there would be no J5 and, therefore, there would be no MJ. "His [MJ's] success is our success". In a way, MJ betrayed his older brother; he used to give Jermaine lots of money as he rightfully deserved and, in death, he refused to do so. Selfish!

Michael chose to ignore the heartthrob of the Jackson Family, his back bone and, now, because of him, Jermaine has no choice other than to oppose his values and not pay the damn child support. I pray Joe and Katherine, the legacy main creators, are able to stand up and say: "Hey, executors, you exploited our beloved son since he was a child. You tortured him endlessly for your own benefit, until the day he died. It's time to stop. We, as a family unit, will protect him and survive this."

Remember; the Jacksons also hurt. They're human beings, they're a family.

[Edited 12/6/10 17:26pm]

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As a MJ fan, you're jealous Michael wasn't a part of the dynasty anymore. He chose to isolate himself from the unity, from the family. They just wanted the best for him, but Michael refused to see that all Joe and Jermaine and Randy and company wanted was L.O.V.E. from him.

But he chose the drugs!

I hope, though, that the fraudulent will will be exposed.

JUSTICE FOR THE JACKSONS.

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

Nah the water would come out dark as hell, lookin' like Lipton Iced Tea

I'd like ice with mine, please!

Nah it'll look like Pepsi.

So you sayin' it looks fizzles up after it goes in his hair like it's caffinated?!

This muthafucka right here..... :thud:

And I don't like Jay Anthony Brown but he made me chuckle with his GreaseFace tribute:

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Nah it'll look like Pepsi.

So you sayin' it looks fizzles up after it goes in his hair like it's caffinated?!

This muthafucka right here..... :thud:

It looks caffinated now. Didn't you see his sides, it looks like it's fizzling up with bubbles right now.

"The media always pulls this on me when I'm away."

This statement was released by Jermaine's top notch lawyer. This just shows how the media is, once again, trying to destroy the Jacksons' family unity.

Hurting and grieving doesn't have anything to do with you not taking care of your children. My father said one of the worst things you can be, is a lazy bum.

TD3 said:

Hurting and grieving doesn't have anything to do with you not taking care of your children. My father said one of the worst things you can be, is a lazy bum.

You wished you were a part of the dynasty. Of the first family of music.

I can only imagine how his hair and face is gonna look when he gets to age 70.

Timmy84 said:

I can only imagine how his hair and face is gonna look when he gets to age 70.

Looks don't matter. What matters is that the family is and always will be an UNITY. Stop staring at them with your envy eyes.

TD3 said:

Hurting and grieving doesn't have anything to do with you not taking care of your children. My father said one of the worst things you can be, is a lazy bum.

umm.....what about a greasy lazy bum?

Damn, ya'll are a bad influence on me

bboy87 said:

TD3 said:

Hurting and grieving doesn't have anything to do with you not taking care of your children. My father said one of the worst things you can be, is a lazy bum.

umm.....what about a greasy lazy bum?

Damn, ya'll are a bad influence on me

A greasy, too shiny, plastic haired, plastic faced, simmering, bacon greasing lazy bum.

Timmy84 said:

Joe will teach you some family values.

God, these MJ fans can't seem to accept that their idol was not a part of the dynasty.

Jermaine, the son of Joseph, will, once again, prevail. We will prevail! The son of Joseph will prevail.

MOL said:

You are all just jealous you're not a part of the first family of music. So, Jermaine doesn't pay child support?! You know why? Because his selfish brother didn't include him in the will. Had the so called superstar given Jermaine a legacy-based monthly allowance- at least out of consideration for being the co-lead singer of the J5- and he would be paying child support. Jermaine has always benefited from Michael's wealth, so why stop now? Remember; if there was no Jermaine, there would be no J5 and, therefore, there would be no MJ. "His [MJ's] success is our success". In a way, MJ betrayed his older brother; he used to give Jermaine lots of money as he rightfully deserved and, in death, he refused to do so. Selfish!

Michael chose to ignore the heartthrob of the Jackson Family, his back bone and, now, because of him, Jermaine has no choice other than to oppose his values and not pay the damn child support. I pray Joe and Katherine, the legacy main creators, are able to stand up and say: "Hey, executors, you exploited our beloved son since he was a child. You tortured him endlessly for your own benefit, until the day he died. It's time to stop. We, as a family unit, will protect him and survive this."

Remember; the Jacksons also hurt. They're human beings, they're a family.

[Edited 12/6/10 17:26pm]

well berry gordy was the ceo of motown and his father in law he could payed him didn't he wrote some for for other groups like switch or something

whatsgoingon said:

LittleBLUECorv

LOL at one of the 8 Jackson siblings working at Wal-Mart.

There is no need why any of the brothers should be in this situation. Well before MJ went completely solo, the Jacksons as a group had sold over 100 million records. When the Jacksons moved to Epic they wrote and produced albums like Destiny and Triumph which were multi-million sellers. Since the death of MJ the Jackson 5/Jacksons albums have sold over a million in America alone, so God knows what they have sold world-wide, so the brothers should have royalties coming out of their ears. Now I know Jermaine was not part of the Jacksons but has someone said he did have his own relatively successful career, therefore there is no real reason why he or the other brothers should be in such financial mess. By the way apart from MJ, whose finances were also in a mess before his death, JACKIE is the only other brother never to have filed for bankruptcy.

[Edited 12/6/10 12:47pm]

motown was not known for its generous royalty rates. in the book, 'where did our love go' by nelson george, he states that the j5 were paid a 2.7% royalty rate while they were with motown, which works out to $2,700,000 for 100 million records. assuming their royalty rate is true and hasn't changed in all these years, if the same rate is applied to only 1,000,000, then it is only $27,000. the people really profiting from any re-interest in the j5 are the people who wrote those songs, i.e., berry gordy, et al

now, obviously, they toured during these years, non-stop, when they were kids, so they were certainly making bank; the money is in touring for an act. but again, the j5 ended in 1975 with jermaine's departure, a full 35 years ago.

mj's estate, randy and jackie in particular may be bringing in royalties for the jacksons work, but remember that's based mainly on only two albums, destiny and triumph. i doubt any but the more hardcore fans who remember mj for most of his 40 years instead of his thriller and beyond years are buying these two albums.

long story short, i don't think these guys (except mj's estate) are 'rolling' in royalties. which is why jermaine is pimping himself - and those kids who don't even live with him, but live with his momma - to that uk mag. mj funneled money to his family out guilty or obligation or both to maintain them in the lives to which HE had become accustomed.

[Edited 12/6/10 19:21pm]

kibbles said:

whatsgoingon said:

There is no need why any of the brothers should be in this situation. Well before MJ went completely solo, the Jacksons as a group had sold over 100 million records. When the Jacksons moved to Epic they wrote and produced albums like Destiny and Triumph which were multi-million sellers. Since the death of MJ the Jackson 5/Jacksons albums have sold over a million in America alone, so God knows what they have sold world-wide, so the brothers should have royalties coming out of their ears. Now I know Jermaine was not part of the Jacksons but has someone said he did have his own relatively successful career, therefore there is no real reason why he or the other brothers should be in such financial mess. By the way apart from MJ, whose finances were also in a mess before his death, JACKIE is the only other brother never to have filed for bankruptcy.

[Edited 12/6/10 12:47pm]

motown was not known for its generous royalty rates. in the book, 'where did our love go' by nelson george, he states that the j5 were paid a 2.7% royalty rate while they were with motown, which works out to $2,700,000 for 100 million. that was 35-40 years ago. assuming their royalty rate hasn't changed in all these years, if the same rate

The Jackson 5 don't have royalties from their Motown tenure. They tried to get their Motown rights back in 1980 but understanding that such a fight may take years, Michael advised the family not to go along with it, that meant ownership of their original group name (The Jackson 5). Since Joe Jackson was so hell-bent on getting his sons popularity, he agreed to let Motown and Berry Gordy own their music because he thought they would be paid for the rest of their lives. They only find out they were only making peanuts until it was too much plus Motown was not letting the Jackson 5 do any of their music since they were treated like a member of the assembly line (which is what Motown was in general) so that's why Joe made that deal with Epic behind Berry's back, which made the situation between the Gordys and Jacksons even more difficult as Jermaine was married to Berry's daughter Hazel. The other Jacksons get royalties for their compositions during their Epic run (not necessarily their run at Philadelphia International since they only had a couple of hits there and both were written by others) but not enough to satisfy paying the bills and keeping up the perception that they're well off.

Jermaine did produce a lot of material with Switch and, I believe, the first DeBarge album but only two of Switch's albums went gold and the DeBarge debut was a bust, plus his solo career was struggling until "Let's Get Serious" and even then it was only in spots afterwards. His only attempt to reach the same success as Michael - the "Dynamite" album did well but I think he doesn't get royalties since he barely wrote anything on that album...least I don't think he did.

Timmy84 said:

kibbles said:

motown was not known for its generous royalty rates. in the book, 'where did our love go' by nelson george, he states that the j5 were paid a 2.7% royalty rate while they were with motown, which works out to $2,700,000 for 100 million. that was 35-40 years ago. assuming their royalty rate hasn't changed in all these years, if the same rate

The Jackson 5 don't have royalties from their Motown tenure. They tried to get their Motown rights back in 1980 but understanding that such a fight may take years, Michael advised the family not to go along with it, that meant ownership of their original group name (The Jackson 5). Since Joe Jackson was so hell-bent on getting his sons popularity, he agreed to let Motown and Berry Gordy own their music because he thought they would be paid for the rest of their lives. They only find out they were only making peanuts until it was too much plus Motown was not letting the Jackson 5 do any of their music since they were treated like a member of the assembly line (which is what Motown was in general) so that's why Joe made that deal with Epic behind Berry's back, which made the situation between the Gordys and Jacksons even more difficult as Jermaine was married to Berry's daughter Hazel. The other Jacksons get royalties for their compositions during their Epic run (not necessarily their run at Philadelphia International since they only had a couple of hits there and both were written by others) but not enough to satisfy paying the bills and keeping up the perception that they're well off.

Jermaine did produce a lot of material with Switch and, I believe, the first DeBarge album but only two of Switch's albums went gold and the DeBarge debut was a bust, plus his solo career was struggling until "Let's Get Serious" and even then it was only in spots afterwards. His only attempt to reach the same success as Michael - the "Dynamite" album did well but I think he doesn't get royalties since he barely wrote anything on that album...least I don't think he did.

thanks for the clarification, t. i accidentally hit post before i was actually done. but if what you're saying is true, that they don't even get any royalties, then it's even worse than imagined. they get NOTHING from motown, and very little from epic.

it's all mj, all of it was/is on his back. so i understand how he could have managed to run up a debt so large. not just because of his own career and everything that went along with that, but taking care year in and year out of his own family's needs.

kibbles said:

Timmy84 said:

The Jackson 5 don't have royalties from their Motown tenure. They tried to get their Motown rights back in 1980 but understanding that such a fight may take years, Michael advised the family not to go along with it, that meant ownership of their original group name (The Jackson 5). Since Joe Jackson was so hell-bent on getting his sons popularity, he agreed to let Motown and Berry Gordy own their music because he thought they would be paid for the rest of their lives. They only find out they were only making peanuts until it was too much plus Motown was not letting the Jackson 5 do any of their music since they were treated like a member of the assembly line (which is what Motown was in general) so that's why Joe made that deal with Epic behind Berry's back, which made the situation between the Gordys and Jacksons even more difficult as Jermaine was married to Berry's daughter Hazel. The other Jacksons get royalties for their compositions during their Epic run (not necessarily their run at Philadelphia International since they only had a couple of hits there and both were written by others) but not enough to satisfy paying the bills and keeping up the perception that they're well off.

Jermaine did produce a lot of material with Switch and, I believe, the first DeBarge album but only two of Switch's albums went gold and the DeBarge debut was a bust, plus his solo career was struggling until "Let's Get Serious" and even then it was only in spots afterwards. His only attempt to reach the same success as Michael - the "Dynamite" album did well but I think he doesn't get royalties since he barely wrote anything on that album...least I don't think he did.

thanks for the clarification, t. i accidentally hit post before i was actually done. but if what you're saying is true, that they don't even get any royalties, then it's even worse than imagined. they get NOTHING from motown, and very little from epic.

it's all mj, all of it was/is on his back. so i understand how he could have managed to run up a debt so large. not just because of his own career and everything that went along with that, but taking care year in and year out of his own family's needs.

Yeah plus he was always lending money to them. If they were getting paid off their years of hard work, you wouldn't see headlines like that. And their situation is actually typical of those who seemed settled until the money well runs dry and then they don't know what to do. It wouldn't have been a problem if they didn't have a bunch of kids either (JERMAINE?! RANDY!?). Jackie, Tito and Marlon are doing fine money wise I think, not to the degree they were back then but they're doing good.

kibbles said:

whatsgoingon said:

There is no need why any of the brothers should be in this situation. Well before MJ went completely solo, the Jacksons as a group had sold over 100 million records. When the Jacksons moved to Epic they wrote and produced albums like Destiny and Triumph which were multi-million sellers. Since the death of MJ the Jackson 5/Jacksons albums have sold over a million in America alone, so God knows what they have sold world-wide, so the brothers should have royalties coming out of their ears. Now I know Jermaine was not part of the Jacksons but has someone said he did have his own relatively successful career, therefore there is no real reason why he or the other brothers should be in such financial mess. By the way apart from MJ, whose finances were also in a mess before his death, JACKIE is the only other brother never to have filed for bankruptcy.

[Edited 12/6/10 12:47pm]

motown was not known for its generous royalty rates. in the book, 'where did our love go' by nelson george, he states that the j5 were paid a 2.7% royalty rate while they were with motown, which works out to $2,700,000 for 100 million records. assuming their royalty rate is true and hasn't changed in all these years, if the same rate is applied to only 1,000,000, then it is only $27,000. the people really profiting from any re-interest in the j5 are the people who wrote those songs, i.e., berry gordy, et al

now, obviously, they toured during these years, non-stop, when they were kids, so they were certainly making bank; the money is in touring for an act. but again, the j5 ended in 1975 with jermaine's departure, a full 35 years ago.

mj's estate, randy and jackie in particular may be bringing in royalties for the jacksons work, but remember that's based mainly on only two albums, destiny and triumph. i doubt any but the more hardcore fans who remember mj for most of his 40 years instead of his thriller and beyond years are buying these two albums.

long story short, i don't think these guys (except mj's estate) are 'rolling' in royalties. which is why jermaine is pimping himself - and those kids who don't even live with him, but live with his momma - to that uk mag. mj funneled money to his family out guilty or obligation or both to maintain them in the lives to which HE had become accustomed.

[Edited 12/6/10 19:21pm]

Not at all, and that's why major acts were suing and leaving Motown left and right. They were screwed. As for songwriting, the question is did Berry Gordy write these songs or did he just took away the credit to get royalties off of them.

angel345 said:

kibbles said:

motown was not known for its generous royalty rates. in the book, 'where did our love go' by nelson george, he states that the j5 were paid a 2.7% royalty rate while they were with motown, which works out to $2,700,000 for 100 million records. assuming their royalty rate is true and hasn't changed in all these years, if the same rate is applied to only 1,000,000, then it is only $27,000. the people really profiting from any re-interest in the j5 are the people who wrote those songs, i.e., berry gordy, et al

now, obviously, they toured during these years, non-stop, when they were kids, so they were certainly making bank; the money is in touring for an act. but again, the j5 ended in 1975 with jermaine's departure, a full 35 years ago.

mj's estate, randy and jackie in particular may be bringing in royalties for the jacksons work, but remember that's based mainly on only two albums, destiny and triumph. i doubt any but the more hardcore fans who remember mj for most of his 40 years instead of his thriller and beyond years are buying these two albums.

long story short, i don't think these guys (except mj's estate) are 'rolling' in royalties. which is why jermaine is pimping himself - and those kids who don't even live with him, but live with his momma - to that uk mag. mj funneled money to his family out guilty or obligation or both to maintain them in the lives to which HE had become accustomed.

[Edited 12/6/10 19:21pm]

Not at all, and that's why major acts were suing and leaving Motown left and right. They were screwed. As for songwriting, the question is did Berry Gordy write these songs or did he just took away the credit to get royalties off of them.

Berry did write songs in the beginning of the Motown period and he was known as one of the main songwriters behind Jackie Wilson's hits. As for after Motown, it's a good possibility but who knows? I often question his input in the Jackson 5's hits, he's credited as a songwriter on those.