babybugz said:

Adisa said:

What happen?

Jermaine It's one thing for a legacy to be "tarnished" due to drugs, emotional issues, or a tragic accident. What's Jermaine's problem, though? I mean, even Teddy Pendergrass and Curtis Mayfield wheeled their asses into the studios to record and the stage to perform, but Jermaine?

No gotdamn excuse. And what is it with him and the notion that the Jacksons do thing big? I mean, so he got to tag along for the Thriller tour--because that's really what that tour was in '84--and believe that stage show was really his brand? No, dude. You're a singer/ musician. Go sing, go play music, your music.

Adisa said:

babybugz said:

What happen?

Jermaine It's one thing for a legacy to be "tarnished" due to drugs, emotional issues, or a tragic accident. What's Jermaine's problem, though? I mean, even Teddy Pendergrass and Curtis Mayfield wheeled their asses into the studios to record and the stage to perform, but Jermaine?

No gotdamn excuse. And what is it with him and the notion that the Jacksons do thing big? I mean, so he got to tag along for the Thriller tour--because that's really what that tour was in '84--and believe that stage show was really his brand? No, dude. You're a singer/ musician. Go sing, go play music, your music.

That's what he still can't get his head around, the VICTORY tour was technically a Michael Jackson solo tour with his brothers simply backing him up rather than it being a total group effort. Jermaine and the other brothers haven't been of good use since 1984 and that's partially their own fault.

Adisa said:

babybugz said:

What happen?

Jermaine It's one thing for a legacy to be "tarnished" due to drugs, emotional issues, or a tragic accident. What's Jermaine's problem, though? I mean, even Teddy Pendergrass and Curtis Mayfield wheeled their asses into the studios to record and the stage to perform, but Jermaine?

No gotdamn excuse. And what is it with him and the notion that the Jacksons do thing big? I mean, so he got to tag along for the Thriller tour--because that's really what that tour was in '84--and believe that stage show was really his brand? No, dude. You're a singer/ musician. Go sing, go play music, your music.

He get on my nerves but I think he might have gave up (his career) , I feel for him as far as watching his baby brother take his spot has the lead singer and become a way bigger star than he would ever be. He's using Michael passing to push himself in the forefront it seems now.

babybugz said:

Adisa said:

Jermaine It's one thing for a legacy to be "tarnished" due to drugs, emotional issues, or a tragic accident. What's Jermaine's problem, though? I mean, even Teddy Pendergrass and Curtis Mayfield wheeled their asses into the studios to record and the stage to perform, but Jermaine?

No gotdamn excuse. And what is it with him and the notion that the Jacksons do thing big? I mean, so he got to tag along for the Thriller tour--because that's really what that tour was in '84--and believe that stage show was really his brand? No, dude. You're a singer/ musician. Go sing, go play music, your music.

He get on my nerves but I think he might have gave up (his career) , I feel for him as far as watching his baby brother take his spot has the lead singer and become a way bigger star than he would ever be. He's using Michael passing to push himself in the forefront it seems now.

It's not working though.

Timmy84 said:

Adisa said:

Jermaine It's one thing for a legacy to be "tarnished" due to drugs, emotional issues, or a tragic accident. What's Jermaine's problem, though? I mean, even Teddy Pendergrass and Curtis Mayfield wheeled their asses into the studios to record and the stage to perform, but Jermaine?

No gotdamn excuse. And what is it with him and the notion that the Jacksons do thing big? I mean, so he got to tag along for the Thriller tour--because that's really what that tour was in '84--and believe that stage show was really his brand? No, dude. You're a singer/ musician. Go sing, go play music, your music.

That's what he still can't get his head around, the VICTORY tour was technically a Michael Jackson solo tour with his brothers simply backing him up rather than it being a total group effort. Jermaine and the other brothers haven't been of good use since 1984 and that's partially their own fault.

Some of it but it did it matter if they continue since none of their names are Michael lol. They could have been more active in producing or writing for other artist. They got spoiled though .

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

He get on my nerves but I think he might have gave up (his career) , I feel for him as far as watching his baby brother take his spot has the lead singer and become a way bigger star than he would ever be. He's using Michael passing to push himself in the forefront it seems now.

It's not working though.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

That's what he still can't get his head around, the VICTORY tour was technically a Michael Jackson solo tour with his brothers simply backing him up rather than it being a total group effort. Jermaine and the other brothers haven't been of good use since 1984 and that's partially their own fault.

Some of it but it did it matter if they continue since none of their names are Michael lol. They could have been more active in producing or writing for other artist. They got spoiled though .

True.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

It's not working though.

I didn’t say it was just the way he was last year showing his face 24/7 he was trying to become relevant through his passing.

Yeah I know but yeah he keeps trying.

Timmy84 said:

Adisa said:

Jermaine It's one thing for a legacy to be "tarnished" due to drugs, emotional issues, or a tragic accident. What's Jermaine's problem, though? I mean, even Teddy Pendergrass and Curtis Mayfield wheeled their asses into the studios to record and the stage to perform, but Jermaine?

No gotdamn excuse. And what is it with him and the notion that the Jacksons do thing big? I mean, so he got to tag along for the Thriller tour--because that's really what that tour was in '84--and believe that stage show was really his brand? No, dude. You're a singer/ musician. Go sing, go play music, your music.

That's what he still can't get his head around, the VICTORY tour was technically a Michael Jackson solo tour with his brothers simply backing him up rather than it being a total group effort. Jermaine and the other brothers haven't been of good use since 1984 and that's partially their own fault.

It's COMPLETELY their own fault, but I couldn't care less about the other brothers because their solo careers were never on the level of Jermaine's. Jackie and Randy should have continued as a songwriting/ production duo and maybe could have been on the same level with LaFACE and Jam and Lewis in the late 80s and early 90s, if they could keep writing and producuing songs half as good as "Time Waits For No One" Tito should have been doing guest appearances like a mug, like Keith, Santana, Slash, Eddie, etc. And Marlon? I Ilike Marlon right where he is in life. I think he's always had his head on straight and I applaud his efforts in Africa.

But Jermaine could have kept recording minor hits like Gerald LeVert or Brian McKnight did consistently if he had wanted to. And he could have kept performing as a solo artist, guest appearances, someone mentioned Bass Lesson DVD's which I NEVER would have though of that. Hell get Tito with you to do a DVD together, teach people those old J5 and Jacksons grooves.

Adisa said:

Timmy84 said:

That's what he still can't get his head around, the VICTORY tour was technically a Michael Jackson solo tour with his brothers simply backing him up rather than it being a total group effort. Jermaine and the other brothers haven't been of good use since 1984 and that's partially their own fault.

It's COMPLETELY their own fault, but I couldn't care less about the other brothers because their solo careers were never on the level of Jermaine's. Jackie and Randy should have continued as a songwriting/ production duo and maybe could have been on the same level with LaFACE and Jam and Lewis in the late 80s and early 90s, if they could keep writing and producuing songs half as good as "Time Waits For No One" Tito should have been doing guest appearances like a mug, like Keith, Santana, Slash, Eddie, etc. And Marlon? I Ilike Marlon right where he is in life. I think he's always had his head on straight and I applaud his efforts in Africa.

But Jermaine could have kept recording minor hits like Gerald LeVert or Brian McKnight did consistently if he had wanted to. And he could have kept performing as a solo artist, guest appearances, someone mentioned Bass Lesson DVD's which I NEVER would have though of that. Hell get Tito with you to do a DVD together, teach people those old J5 and Jacksons grooves.

But Jermaine could have kept recording minor hits like Gerald LeVert or Brian McKnight did consistently if he had wanted to

No one cares about jermaine

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

I didn’t say it was just the way he was last year showing his face 24/7 he was trying to become relevant through his passing.

Yeah I know but yeah he keeps trying.

babybugz said:

But Jermaine could have kept recording minor hits like Gerald LeVert or Brian McKnight did consistently if he had wanted to

No one cares about jermaine

Now that would make a great book title

babybugz said:

Adisa said:

It's COMPLETELY their own fault, but I couldn't care less about the other brothers because their solo careers were never on the level of Jermaine's. Jackie and Randy should have continued as a songwriting/ production duo and maybe could have been on the same level with LaFACE and Jam and Lewis in the late 80s and early 90s, if they could keep writing and producuing songs half as good as "Time Waits For No One" Tito should have been doing guest appearances like a mug, like Keith, Santana, Slash, Eddie, etc. And Marlon? I Ilike Marlon right where he is in life. I think he's always had his head on straight and I applaud his efforts in Africa.

But Jermaine could have kept recording minor hits like Gerald LeVert or Brian McKnight did consistently if he had wanted to. And he could have kept performing as a solo artist, guest appearances, someone mentioned Bass Lesson DVD's which I NEVER would have though of that. Hell get Tito with you to do a DVD together, teach people those old J5 and Jacksons grooves.

But Jermaine could have kept recording minor hits like Gerald LeVert or Brian McKnight did consistently if he had wanted to

No one cares about jermaine

Personally, no, but I'm talking about his music, and this thread has shown that some people do care.

Nobody cares about a BBD album right now either, but those fools have been out touring performing their 20 year old songs and rocking crowds, just like a lot of the "old" artists already mentioned in this thread.

The last shows I went to in 2009-2010:

El

BBD

J-hud and Robin thicke

Troop/ SOS Band/ Peabo/ Cameo

P-Funk

bboy87 said:

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(Is that Nene from Real Housewives of Atlanta?)

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Yup that's Nene and the other woman is Marlee Matlin.

In the last pic, I can't recall her name, but that woman is also famous.

[Edited 12/8/10 21:17pm]

Cinnie said:

Toya STAY paid

who would've guessed the LEAST talented Jackson is one of the most active?

Adisa said:

Timmy84 said:

That's what he still can't get his head around, the VICTORY tour was technically a Michael Jackson solo tour with his brothers simply backing him up rather than it being a total group effort. Jermaine and the other brothers haven't been of good use since 1984 and that's partially their own fault.

It's COMPLETELY their own fault, but I couldn't care less about the other brothers because their solo careers were never on the level of Jermaine's. Jackie and Randy should have continued as a songwriting/ production duo and maybe could have been on the same level with LaFACE and Jam and Lewis in the late 80s and early 90s, if they could keep writing and producuing songs half as good as "Time Waits For No One" Tito should have been doing guest appearances like a mug, like Keith, Santana, Slash, Eddie, etc. And Marlon? I Ilike Marlon right where he is in life. I think he's always had his head on straight and I applaud his efforts in Africa.

But Jermaine could have kept recording minor hits like Gerald LeVert or Brian McKnight did consistently if he had wanted to. And he could have kept performing as a solo artist, guest appearances, someone mentioned Bass Lesson DVD's which I NEVER would have though of that. Hell get Tito with you to do a DVD together, teach people those old J5 and Jacksons grooves.

I gotta come to Tito's defense. He's been touring for the past decade, he opened for Gladys Knight's farwell tour in London back in 2009

One thing that confuses me is that after 1986, the brothers just stopped

Marlon, Tito, and Jackie were doing moderately well. Marlon and Tito had written songs for Barry White, Betty Wright, and others. Jackie did an album in '89 and Randy did one in '90 and then after that?

Tito has been touring with his blues band, Marlon owns some stores and real estate, Jackie did well financially, but Jermaine and Randy?

This is one of my favorite jams by Jermaine. He needs inspiration like this.

bboy87 said:

Cinnie said:

Toya STAY paid

who would've guessed the LEAST talented Jackson is one of the most active?

When she was at the Moulin Rouge, she made killer $$$$$$. Since then she's kept open that door that Jack Gordon opened for her....doing all these weird and (potentially) embarassing things that pay surprisingly well and require little talent. Clearly it's worked for her. I guess she's the original Paris Hilton!

Tho I must say she did OK even before Jack when it came to money doing little modeling type gigs here and there.

bboy87 said:

Adisa said:

It's COMPLETELY their own fault, but I couldn't care less about the other brothers because their solo careers were never on the level of Jermaine's. Jackie and Randy should have continued as a songwriting/ production duo and maybe could have been on the same level with LaFACE and Jam and Lewis in the late 80s and early 90s, if they could keep writing and producuing songs half as good as "Time Waits For No One" Tito should have been doing guest appearances like a mug, like Keith, Santana, Slash, Eddie, etc. And Marlon? I Ilike Marlon right where he is in life. I think he's always had his head on straight and I applaud his efforts in Africa.

But Jermaine could have kept recording minor hits like Gerald LeVert or Brian McKnight did consistently if he had wanted to. And he could have kept performing as a solo artist, guest appearances, someone mentioned Bass Lesson DVD's which I NEVER would have though of that. Hell get Tito with you to do a DVD together, teach people those old J5 and Jacksons grooves.

I gotta come to Tito's defense. He's been touring for the past decade, he opened for Gladys Knight's farwell tour in London back in 2009

One thing that confuses me is that after 1986, the brothers just stopped

Marlon, Tito, and Jackie were doing moderately well. Marlon and Tito had written songs for Barry White, Betty Wright, and others. Jackie did an album in '89 and Randy did one in '90 and then after that?

Tito has been touring with his blues band, Marlon owns some stores and real estate, Jackie did well financially, but Jermaine and Randy?

Yeah, Tito's a legit bluesman and has worked for years doing his own thing. He ain't hurtin'.

As for the borothers, I think Marlon's heart left the game long ago and he got out and did other stuff ASAP. Jackie can take it or leave it from the looks of it. Tito clearly wanted a different sound and genre to pursue....he's quite good too IMHO. Jermaine seems to be simp;ly unavble to be anything less than a STAR.

Randy's the real mystery for me. He has real musical talent, but I hear nothing of him at all. Does he play anywhere, produce anybody, etc...?

Adisa said:

Timmy84 said:

That's what he still can't get his head around, the VICTORY tour was technically a Michael Jackson solo tour with his brothers simply backing him up rather than it being a total group effort. Jermaine and the other brothers haven't been of good use since 1984 and that's partially their own fault.

It's COMPLETELY their own fault, but I couldn't care less about the other brothers because their solo careers were never on the level of Jermaine's. Jackie and Randy should have continued as a songwriting/ production duo and maybe could have been on the same level with LaFACE and Jam and Lewis in the late 80s and early 90s, if they could keep writing and producuing songs half as good as "Time Waits For No One" Tito should have been doing guest appearances like a mug, like Keith, Santana, Slash, Eddie, etc. And Marlon? I Ilike Marlon right where he is in life. I think he's always had his head on straight and I applaud his efforts in Africa.

But Jermaine could have kept recording minor hits like Gerald LeVert or Brian McKnight did consistently if he had wanted to. And he could have kept performing as a solo artist, guest appearances, someone mentioned Bass Lesson DVD's which I NEVER would have though of that. Hell get Tito with you to do a DVD together, teach people those old J5 and Jacksons grooves.

PREACH!

brooksie said:

bboy87 said:

[img:$uid]http://backseatcuddler.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/celebrity-apprentice-251010-4.jpg[/img:$uid]

(Is that Nene from Real Housewives of Atlanta?)

[img:$uid]http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/pc/Latoya%20Jackson%20LaToya%20Jackson%20Villa%20Blanca%20YYpV8fOYUX2l.jpg[/img:$uid]

Yup that's Nene and the other woman is Marlee Matlin.

In the last pic, I can't recall her name, but that woman is also famous.

[Edited 12/8/10 21:17pm]

She's Lisa Van Der Pump, British nightclub and restaurant tycoon. She's also the wildly popular cast member Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She's so rich, I think she actually sh*ts diamonds.

Cinnie said:

Toya STAY paid

Sheeee-it, LaToya will show up to endorse the opening of Dollar Store generic soup, long as a check is attached to it

The Jacksons could have done so much..

But, their egos are so big that they cannot even compromise with each other.

It was so evident in the Jackson Family Dynasty.

^ Lisa Vanderpump has lost points in my book. She look a little too comfortable hanging with crazy ass LaToya.

bboy87 said:

Adisa said:

It's COMPLETELY their own fault, but I couldn't care less about the other brothers because their solo careers were never on the level of Jermaine's. Jackie and Randy should have continued as a songwriting/ production duo and maybe could have been on the same level with LaFACE and Jam and Lewis in the late 80s and early 90s, if they could keep writing and producuing songs half as good as "Time Waits For No One" Tito should have been doing guest appearances like a mug, like Keith, Santana, Slash, Eddie, etc. And Marlon? I Ilike Marlon right where he is in life. I think he's always had his head on straight and I applaud his efforts in Africa.

But Jermaine could have kept recording minor hits like Gerald LeVert or Brian McKnight did consistently if he had wanted to. And he could have kept performing as a solo artist, guest appearances, someone mentioned Bass Lesson DVD's which I NEVER would have though of that. Hell get Tito with you to do a DVD together, teach people those old J5 and Jacksons grooves.

I gotta come to Tito's defense. He's been touring for the past decade, he opened for Gladys Knight's farwell tour in London back in 2009

One thing that confuses me is that after 1986, the brothers just stopped

Marlon, Tito, and Jackie were doing moderately well. Marlon and Tito had written songs for Barry White, Betty Wright, and others. Jackie did an album in '89 and Randy did one in '90 and then after that?

Tito has been touring with his blues band, Marlon owns some stores and real estate, Jackie did well financially, but Jermaine and Randy?

Randy is doing amazingly well financially. After all, he has been involved in more frauds than he has made up schemes to get rid of his children. And I'm not even talking about what he did during the trial. That's too disgusting for me say. And people wonder why Michael told his bodyguards to NEVER allow Randy in his house. Meanie Michael, boo hoo!

I find it so funny when people claim Marlon is fine. He does not own a grocery store and has filed for bankrupcy one or two times. So, first he is broke and out of nowhere he becomes a successful businessman who owns stores and is deeply involved in real state? Oh...and Joe was also a loving father, right?

The Jacksons are, quite simply, exactly what I will tell my chidlren NOT to become. Ohh...I'm just a hater, right? Boo-hoo!!!

MOL said:

bboy87 said:

I gotta come to Tito's defense. He's been touring for the past decade, he opened for Gladys Knight's farwell tour in London back in 2009

One thing that confuses me is that after 1986, the brothers just stopped

Marlon, Tito, and Jackie were doing moderately well. Marlon and Tito had written songs for Barry White, Betty Wright, and others. Jackie did an album in '89 and Randy did one in '90 and then after that?

Tito has been touring with his blues band, Marlon owns some stores and real estate, Jackie did well financially, but Jermaine and Randy?

Randy is doing amazingly well financially. After all, he has been involved in more frauds than he has made up schemes to get rid of his children. And I'm not even talking about what he did during the trial. That's too disgusting for me say. And people wonder why Michael told his bodyguards to NEVER allow Randy in his house. Meanie Michael, boo hoo!

I find it so funny when people claim Marlon is fine. He does not own a grocery store and has filed for bankrupcy one or two times. So, first he is broke and out of nowhere he becomes a successful businessman who owns stores and is deeply involved in real state? Oh...and Joe was also a loving father, right?

The Jacksons are, quite simply, exactly what I will tell my chidlren NOT to become. Ohh...I'm just a hater, right? Boo-hoo!!!

Ok I simply must know what you are referring to. Orgnote me if it's really too disgusting to post here.

DesireeNevermind said:

MOL said:

Randy is doing amazingly well financially. After all, he has been involved in more frauds than he has made up schemes to get rid of his children. And I'm not even talking about what he did during the trial. That's too disgusting for me say. And people wonder why Michael told his bodyguards to NEVER allow Randy in his house. Meanie Michael, boo hoo!

I find it so funny when people claim Marlon is fine. He does not own a grocery store and has filed for bankrupcy one or two times. So, first he is broke and out of nowhere he becomes a successful businessman who owns stores and is deeply involved in real state? Oh...and Joe was also a loving father, right?

The Jacksons are, quite simply, exactly what I will tell my chidlren NOT to become. Ohh...I'm just a hater, right? Boo-hoo!!!

Ok I simply must know what you are referring to. Orgnote me if it's really too disgusting to post here.

It's a very long story. As you may know, Randy abandoned his kids. He doesn't talk to them, he doesn't feed them, he simply doesn't care about them.

In 1990, he beat his then wife Eliza and Steveanna. According to hospital reports, the child was so severily beaten, she would have been permanently damaged had the doctors not intervened. Needless to say, to Randy Steveanna doesn't exist. Randy was then sent to jail and to a psychiatric clinic. Had it not been for Katherine crying/manipulating the jury and Randy would have been sent to jail for a longer time.

By the way, two of his children said, recently, that their father doesn't talk to them although they don't know why. If I'm not mistaken, Genevieve said that in an interview with AMO magazine and Steveanna said pratically the same in one of the cheesy internet videos she used to make.

In the mid 90's, Randy was having sex with anything that had a skirt on just like Poppa Joe, Tito and Jermaine. He ended up by impregnanting Alejandra twice. Randy then proceeded to send her to South America and tried everything to stop her from coming back, including begging his mother not answer the phone whenever Alejandra called. It's a very complicated story. Basically, Randy made up a scheme to abandon his children and their mother in South America. He invented excuses to the family as to why the children were in another continent (the kidnap story and so on), hell... read Margaret Maldonaldo's book or court transcripts related to this. It's a very complex story which shows perfectly Randy's psycopathic mind.

Randy was also known for ordering women to perform abortions after abortions.

And there's more but if I can't spend hours writing.

Related to his endless schemes for money;

God, Randy is on Joe's level when it comes to this. From having deals with tabloids to expose Michael's kids for money (and then claiming all he wanted was to make them happy), from lying almost compulsively, from inventing cover ups on a regular basis, from being tabloids MJ's-slanderous-news source...I will not write everything now since my time is limited.

Basically, Randy was involved in MANY frauds in late 90's, early 00's. For example, in 2001 he was found guilty of extorting 21000 USD from an institution of severily handicapped children or whatever that was. Needless to mention, he invented a cover up story to the media about how he (the hero!) had found a person responsible for extorting a "beloved and related" charity insitution.

About what he did to Michael...hell, have you been living under a rock? The huntings during trial breaks, how he played the sympathetic brother in order to sugarcoat Michael and get access to his finances. How he got revenge on him with the media and how, even after Michael forgave him and refused to sue him, he testified against his junkie (the junkie rumors were started by Randy) brother. How Randy extorted his brother in millions and deviated money that Michael gave him to pay the IRS. How he extorted fans with the damn site and invented a cover up blaming Michael. Hell...you don't remember that????!!!

I'll continue another day as I have to study.

Just one thing: if you think Diane Dimond, Tom Sneddon, Andrea Peyser and Nancy Grace have invented many slanderous rumors about Michael, then you're allowed to get surprised after discovering who is behind most of the dirty and slanderous rumors about him. That's why I'm always mad when the fans blame Michael's poor reputation on the media.

[Edited 12/9/10 11:21am]

MOL said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Ok I simply must know what you are referring to. Orgnote me if it's really too disgusting to post here.

It's a very long story. As you may know, Randy abandoned his kids. He doesn't talk to them, he doesn't feed them, he simply doesn't care about them.

In 1990, he beat his then wife Eliza and Steveanna. According to hospital reports, the child was so severily beaten, she would be death had the doctors not intervened. Needless to say, to Randy Genevieve doesn't exist. Randy was then sent to jail and a psychiatric clinic. Had it not been for Katherine crying/manipulating the jury and Randy would have been sent to jail for a longer time.

In the mid 90's, Randy was having sex with anything that had a skirt on just like Poppa Joe, Tito and Jermaine. He ended up by impregnanting Alejandra twice. Randy then proceeded to send her to South America and tried everything to stop her from coming back, including begging his mother not answer the phone whenever Alejandra called. It's a very complicated story. Basically, Randy made up a scheme to abandon his children and their mother in South America. He invented excuses to the family as to why the children were in another continent, hell... read Margaret Maldonaldo's book or court transcripts related to this. It's a very complex story which shows perfectly Randy's psycopathic mind.

Randy was also known for ordering women to perform abortions after abortions.

And there's more but if I can't spend hours writing.

Related to his endless schemes for money;

God, Randy is on Joe's level when it comes to this. From having deals with tabloids to expose Michael's kids for money (and then claiming all he wanted was to make them happy), from lying almost compulsively, from inventing cover ups on a regular basis...I will not write everything otherwise since my time is limited.

Basically, Randy was involved in MANY frauds in late 90's, early 00's. For example, in 2001 he was found guilty of extorting 21000 USD from a institution of severily handicapped children or whatever that was. Nedless to men tion, he invented a cover up story to the media about how he (the hero!) had found a person responsible for extorting a "beloved and related" charity insitution.

About what he did to Michael...hell, have you been living under a rock? The huntings during trial breaks, how he played the sympathetic brother sugarcoat Michael and get access to his finances. How he got revenge on him with the media and how, even after Michael forgave him and refused to sue him, he testified against his junkie (the junkie rumors were started by Randy)brother. How Randy extorted Michael in millions and deviated money that Michael gave him to pay the IRS. How he extorted fans with the damn site and invented a cover up blaming Michael. Hell...you don't remember that????!!!

I'll continue another day as I have to study.

Just one thing: if you think Diane Dimond, Tom Sneddon, Andrea Peyser and Nancy Grace have invented many slanderous rumors about Michael, then you're allowed to get surprised after discovering who is behind most of the dirty and slanderous rumors about him. That's why I'm always bigged when the fans blaime Michael's poor reputation in the media.

Ok all of this I've heard of except the repeated abortions of his girlfriends and abandoning his wife in South America. I actually thought she was there to get away from HIM.

All that other stuff I've read. You had me second guessing when you said stuff was "too disgusting" to mention. I was like "oh lord what now??"

yes the Jacksons are a hot mess and it's all because of Joe; no one can tell me different. Joe is the devil! The world will be a cleaner place once he is gone.

DesireeNevermind said:

MOL said:

It's a very long story. As you may know, Randy abandoned his kids. He doesn't talk to them, he doesn't feed them, he simply doesn't care about them.

In 1990, he beat his then wife Eliza and Steveanna. According to hospital reports, the child was so severily beaten, she would be death had the doctors not intervened. Needless to say, to Randy Genevieve doesn't exist. Randy was then sent to jail and a psychiatric clinic. Had it not been for Katherine crying/manipulating the jury and Randy would have been sent to jail for a longer time.

In the mid 90's, Randy was having sex with anything that had a skirt on just like Poppa Joe, Tito and Jermaine. He ended up by impregnanting Alejandra twice. Randy then proceeded to send her to South America and tried everything to stop her from coming back, including begging his mother not answer the phone whenever Alejandra called. It's a very complicated story. Basically, Randy made up a scheme to abandon his children and their mother in South America. He invented excuses to the family as to why the children were in another continent, hell... read Margaret Maldonaldo's book or court transcripts related to this. It's a very complex story which shows perfectly Randy's psycopathic mind.

Randy was also known for ordering women to perform abortions after abortions.

And there's more but if I can't spend hours writing.

Related to his endless schemes for money;

God, Randy is on Joe's level when it comes to this. From having deals with tabloids to expose Michael's kids for money (and then claiming all he wanted was to make them happy), from lying almost compulsively, from inventing cover ups on a regular basis...I will not write everything otherwise since my time is limited.

Basically, Randy was involved in MANY frauds in late 90's, early 00's. For example, in 2001 he was found guilty of extorting 21000 USD from a institution of severily handicapped children or whatever that was. Nedless to men tion, he invented a cover up story to the media about how he (the hero!) had found a person responsible for extorting a "beloved and related" charity insitution.

About what he did to Michael...hell, have you been living under a rock? The huntings during trial breaks, how he played the sympathetic brother sugarcoat Michael and get access to his finances. How he got revenge on him with the media and how, even after Michael forgave him and refused to sue him, he testified against his junkie (the junkie rumors were started by Randy)brother. How Randy extorted Michael in millions and deviated money that Michael gave him to pay the IRS. How he extorted fans with the damn site and invented a cover up blaming Michael. Hell...you don't remember that????!!!

I'll continue another day as I have to study.

Just one thing: if you think Diane Dimond, Tom Sneddon, Andrea Peyser and Nancy Grace have invented many slanderous rumors about Michael, then you're allowed to get surprised after discovering who is behind most of the dirty and slanderous rumors about him. That's why I'm always bigged when the fans blaime Michael's poor reputation in the media.

Ok all of this I've heard of except the repeated abortions of his girlfriends and abandoning his wife in South America. I actually thought she was there to get away from HIM.

All that other stuff I've read. You had me second guessing when you said stuff was "too disgusting" to mention. I was like "oh lord what now??"

yes the Jacksons are a hot mess and it's all because of Joe; no one can tell me different. Joe is the devil! The world will be a cleaner place once he is gone.

By the way, you can read the new version of my post; without grammatical and writing mistakes. eheheh!!!

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MOL said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Ok all of this I've heard of except the repeated abortions of his girlfriends and abandoning his wife in South America. I actually thought she was there to get away from HIM.

All that other stuff I've read. You had me second guessing when you said stuff was "too disgusting" to mention. I was like "oh lord what now??"

yes the Jacksons are a hot mess and it's all because of Joe; no one can tell me different. Joe is the devil! The world will be a cleaner place once he is gone.

By the way, you can read the new version of my post; without grammatical and writing mistakes. eheheh!!!

[Edited 12/9/10 11:23am]

But remember: they hurt, they grieve, they are human beings... *tilts head and lowers voice* they're a family.

These are the same guys who want the public to think all they wanted was to save Michael. Ohhh...and that he was an addict, so they can shift the blame to AEG and sue them they can get justice!