Timmy84 said:

SherryJackson said:

Now now, don't be hatin' on Marrk. I think Monster might have had potential if MJ ACTUALLY sang it and got rid of 50 cent (that part was absolutely terrible! ). As it stands...I'm not too fond of it.

You know what song I desperately wish was real? Keep Your Head Up. It's just so positive and nice...I think MJ would've done it with ease. It's just one of those positive songs you can't help but like because of the message. At least for me it is. I don't like as much as it is now because of the pasted-in adlibs and forced vibratos and so on..but I think that song really had potential to be a good song. More than Monster.

Oh Michael, come back!!!

Even if Michael sang on it, I wouldn't like it. The song sucks musically as well as lyrically. I don't think even Michael's lead vocals could've saved the song. Same goes for the other tracks. Like I said "Hold My Hand" is tolerable. I also wished KYHU was real, there's SOME Michael on it but not fully. But hey if people wanna believe it's him, let them knock ourselves out. It's time to move on from this anyway.

I respect that Timmy....

And you right...time to move from that. I mean, I have a fan from 1972 (FREAKIN' 1972) tellin' me Monster, KYHU AND BN were really MJ. I just take Jay's advice to breathe properly, and then just smile and nod. He already knows what I think...so I won't be popping his bubble anytime soon.

Militant said:

For the folks that feel the new version of "Behind The Mask" is a little overproduced....

I've attempted to recreate what the original MJ version would have sounded like by filtering out as much of the music from the new version as possible, then blending it with the instrumental of Greg Phillinganes 1985 version, taken from the official vinyl release of the single.

It's still a work in progress and I wasn't able to make a full acapella from the new version, so it's kinda messy, but I did what I could.

I've posted a clip for you guys here:

http://soundcloud.com/s-e...e-mix-clip

Let me know what you think. If you guys dig it I can try and finish it.

I dig it. I wonder if the original version with MJ singing it is out there somewhere.

Steve Lukather just confirmed to me that it's him playing guitar on "Do You Know/12 O' Clock"... so I guess it's likely this song will be on the next album. I hope it is!

Also, I had to pitch up the instrumental to Greg's track to make the mix lol I hadn't noticed before, but Michael's version is actually in a higher key. I guess Greg had transposed down the song because his vocal range isn't as high as Michael's was

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Militant said:

Steve Lukather just confirmed to me that it's him playing guitar on "Do You Know/12 O' Clock"... so I guess it likely this song will be on the next album. I hope it is!

Please let "A Place Without No Name" be on it too!

Timmy84 said:

Militant said:

Steve Lukather just confirmed to me that it's him playing guitar on "Do You Know/12 O' Clock"... so I guess it likely this song will be on the next album. I hope it is!

Please let "A Place Without No Name" be on it too!

I hope so too. And Blue Gangsta, and Slave To The Rhythm.....

Militant said:

Timmy84 said:

Please let "A Place Without No Name" be on it too!

I hope so too. And Blue Gangsta, and Slave To The Rhythm.....

I have to say, hadn't heard anything about these tracks being fake - haven't really been following the MJ news. On my first listen of Michael, was immediately like "huh? what?" A few of these vocals are so obviously not him. So naturally I came to the org right away and, yep, I'm clearly not the only one.

Sony should be really ashamed.

MendesCity said:

I have to say, hadn't heard anything about these tracks being fake - haven't really been following the MJ news. On my first listen of Michael, was immediately like "huh? what?" A few of these vocals are so obviously not him. So naturally I came to the org right away and, yep, I'm clearly not the only one.

Sony should be really ashamed.

I remembered reading in MJ's autobiography "Moonwalker" that when he recorded "Thriller", and send it to Sony the first time, they rejected the track because it sounded crappy. It was a lot of pressure recording that album. It's amazing how the music industry changed because Sony back then wouldn't have been caught dead putting crappy tracks out there, and if MJ was around, he wouldn't be caught dead, doing the same.

Marrk said:

Militant said:

I actually do have some experience in this area due to my association with the Shakur estate and Tupac's unreleased material.

Here's the deal. Legally - the Estate own the rights to all unreleased work. However, that doesn't mean they physically own it and are able to release it. In order to have something to work with, the Estate need one of the following for every unreleased song, in order of preference:

1. Full multi-track masters (IE, every vocal track and instrument track individually)

2. 2-track master tapes (music on one track, vocals on another)

3. Isolated vocal track.

Now what's important is that we have absolutely NO idea how many songs the Estate does have the masters for. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they don't have many. Why? Because we already saw a report that specifically stated "John McClain was calling around producers to try and find songs".

Michael obviously had master copies of a lot of unreleased songs, but who knows what happened to them? He moved around a lot, some probably got misplaced or damaged. Perhaps he even had some in private storage and nobody has yet found where they were stored. Neverland was emptied after he stopped living there, but he obviously didn't take all his belongings to the Holmby Hills house because he was only renting it. Obviously he didn't take things to Bahrain, Ireland or Vegas because he wasn't in any of those places for any amount of time. Remember how there were reports of MJ's belongings being stolen? Remember how some of those private businessmen had roomfuls of MJ's belongings and were going to auction some of them because at some point MJ had owed money and stuff had been repossessed? No doubt some master copies of songs were among that stuff and are probably collecting dust somewhere.

It's certainly possible that he stored some at the family home in Hayvenhurst. Hell, most people store shit at their family home if they move around a lot. But ask yourself this - who would know if he did? Katherine's not going to spend time rooting through the attic looking through MJ's belongings. And if any of the family DID know - would they give them to the Estate? Probably not, because they're upset that they don't have any control over what the Estate does.

Who else would have access to masters and multitracks? The producers who produced the songs in question. Now here's the thing with that - they don't have to hand over what they have either. They can claim they don't have them - the Estate aren't going to literally raid people's studios, are they? Why wouldn't they hand them over? Maybe because they don't want things they worked on remixed to fuck and bastardized.

This exact scenario happened with Tupac. My friend Quincy "QD3" Jones III, had a song he had done with Tupac called "Soon As I Get Home" that had leaked online in approximately '98 or so. Not too long after 'Pac died. But he always said that he had lost the masters to that song so it was never released. Tupac's estate were remixing the fuck out of everything they were releasing (tastefully in some cases, not so in others), and then, in 2006, in the last few weeks of the Estate working on the "Pac's Life" album, QD3 "just so happened" to discover the master "in a closet"

The Estate, knowing how much fans loved this song rushed to put it on that album. And it was the ONLY song that was on that album that had not been remixed. It appeared in it's original form but in perfect quality. I've never asked Quincy directly, but I've always wondered perhaps he knew where it was the whole time but didn't want to see such a good song get remixed and ruined.

There's also situations where it might be a hassle for people to dig out stuff they have and so they just haven't gotten around to it. For example, Barry Gibb of the Bee Gees has at least 4 unreleased songs with Michael. He's a busy man, still touring, and I doubt he's in any hurry to dig out the masters of those songs from wherever they're stored. Not like he needs the money. And again, people such as him might want to finish these songs themselves if they were unfinished - if they just hand shit over to the Estate then they might not be given that opportunity even though it's their song as well.

Then you've got things like "Victory" and "There Must Be More To Life Than This".... two people worked on these songs, Michael and Freddie Mercury, and neither of them are here any more. The people maintaining Freddie's estate probably aren't gonna go digging around his belongings for the masters of these, either.

I'm sure most of you have seen the lists of unreleased songs that myself and bboy amongst others have posted. There's NO shortage of unreleased material that exists. So why is McClain having to call around producers looking for songs, and why is he having to resort to this bullshit Cascio fakery, and songs that have already been released like "The Way That You Love Me"?

The only logical reason is that, as I suggested, he simply doesn't physically have the masters of most of these unreleased songs. Some will turn up, given time. Others may not. It's all up to the individuals who have them. If they need the money, they'll sell 'em to the Estate. Others won't.

They'll be finding things when most of us are where Michael is. Look at Hendrix, it'll never stop. People that have stuff will be shopping it around long after the SONY deal has expired.

Might be selfishness on my part but i want everything out in the next ten or fifteen years, it'll never happen though.

I don't know the details of MJ's contract with Sony, but originally, he had a deal where he owns the master recordings and Sony distributes and markets it (like Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Johnny Mathis and a few others). So, the estate owns stuff that's out now. Not sure about the posthumous albums.

angel345 said:

MendesCity said:

I have to say, hadn't heard anything about these tracks being fake - haven't really been following the MJ news. On my first listen of Michael, was immediately like "huh? what?" A few of these vocals are so obviously not him. So naturally I came to the org right away and, yep, I'm clearly not the only one.

Sony should be really ashamed.

I remembered reading in MJ's autobiography "Moonwalker" that when he recorded "Thriller", and send it to Sony the first time, they rejected the track because it sounded crappy. It was a lot of pressure recording that album. It's amazing how the music industry changed because Sony back then wouldn't have been caught dead putting crappy tracks out there, and if MJ was around, he wouldn't be caught dead, doing the same.

I agree. I think the big difference is that it was still CBS records at the time that was handling everything and wasn't a big conglomerate like it is now.

I'm sorry, but I just had to

mozfonky said:

Swa said:

Nah it's all good - petty fans would say he's just doing a Janet by appearing out of no where on the View, and it's not the first time he's worn one glove either...

but hey, no petty fans here right? lmao

is you referring to the vignettes in the PR concerts where he wore one glove for a bit and then would take it off and drop it? Oh beautiful memories. Back when both were young and having so much fun.

Actually for a few of the live scenes in Purple Rain he is sporting one glove - lace though of course.

babybugz said:

Guys which songs aren’t him again I’m hearing Michael on most of this album not finish listening though. Best of joy is good. Smh at anybody who think this album is better than invincible though. The guy at the cd store near me selling it early lol

If you have to ask which songs aren't him - then maybe you have your answer there in your question. At the end of the day until proof comes that satisfies us one way or the other it comes down to what you hear. If you hear MJ then enjoy it. If you don't, then skip it and enjoy it where you do.

Where is this behind the scenes "In The Closet" footage from? Was it released somewhere? Don't recall seeing this before.

http://s-endz.tumblr.com/...-and-naomi

Militant said:

For the folks that feel the new version of "Behind The Mask" is a little overproduced....

I've attempted to recreate what the original MJ version would have sounded like by filtering out as much of the music from the new version as possible, then blending it with the instrumental of Greg Phillinganes 1985 version, taken from the official vinyl release of the single.

It's still a work in progress and I wasn't able to make a full acapella from the new version, so it's kinda messy, but I did what I could.

I've posted a clip for you guys here:

http://soundcloud.com/s-e...e-mix-clip

Let me know what you think. If you guys dig it I can try and finish it.

It's amazing - please finish it!!

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Militant said:

Where is this behind the scenes "In The Closet" footage from? Was it released somewhere? Don't recall seeing this before.

http://s-endz.tumblr.com/...-and-naomi

I don't know if it has been released,but I have seen this before. There's like two different versions and I watched it on MTV and VH1 back when they showed this sort of thing on those channels. To me.. this particular version does seem 'altered' a bit,though,so maybe there is a release somewhere.

Edit: Oh yeah.. It is released. There is a behind the scenes on Dangerous Short Films ..but there is two versions one has more footage.

[Edited 12/11/10 1:07am]

Part of what they showed on MTV back in the day.

There's more with I think it was Cindy Crawford n "House of Style" somewhere on youtube.

Here it is:

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sag10 said:

I am so confused as the whether or not to buy this.

why don't you do what i'm going to do, (mine's in the post!) rip it then re burn it omitting the fascio tracks and adding Do You Know, Blue Gangsta and Escape as some on here suggested. i've only heard Breaking News so far but from what i've read the other 2 ain't good, i've avoided downloading a leak so far.

Militant said:

For the folks that feel the new version of "Behind The Mask" is a little overproduced....

I've attempted to recreate what the original MJ version would have sounded like by filtering out as much of the music from the new version as possible, then blending it with the instrumental of Greg Phillinganes 1985 version, taken from the official vinyl release of the single.

It's still a work in progress and I wasn't able to make a full acapella from the new version, so it's kinda messy, but I did what I could.

I've posted a clip for you guys here:

http://soundcloud.com/s-e...e-mix-clip

Let me know what you think. If you guys dig it I can try and finish it.

Awesome job man and much appreciated. I was hoping Sony used Michaels vocals on this particular version.

Militant said:

BabyBeMine said:

Awesome job man and much appreciated. I was hoping Sony used Michaels vocals on this particular version.

So was I, although I do like the new version too. I'm gonna try and finish this over the next few days when I have a bit more free time, cos unless MJ's original version leaks any time soon, this will have to suffice.

I really wish they would release original versions of songs as well as remixes.

Militant said:

For the folks that feel the new version of "Behind The Mask" is a little overproduced....

I've attempted to recreate what the original MJ version would have sounded like by filtering out as much of the music from the new version as possible, then blending it with the instrumental of Greg Phillinganes 1985 version, taken from the official vinyl release of the single.

It's still a work in progress and I wasn't able to make a full acapella from the new version, so it's kinda messy, but I did what I could.

I've posted a clip for you guys here:

http://soundcloud.com/s-e...e-mix-clip

Let me know what you think. If you guys dig it I can try and finish it.

Go on witcha bad self!

Militant said:

BabyBeMine said:

Awesome job man and much appreciated. I was hoping Sony used Michaels vocals on this particular version.

So was I, although I do like the new version too. I'm gonna try and finish this over the next few days when I have a bit more free time, cos unless MJ's original version leaks any time soon, this will have to suffice.

I really wish they would release original versions of songs as well as remixes.

True and i agree. I Iike the Michael version very much as well. I was dancing with my wife. Actually i was doing the dancing in our living room. To many beers tonight since the Lakers game. Time to go to sleep

Thanks for hooking it up bro

Militant said:

For the folks that feel the new version of "Behind The Mask" is a little overproduced....

I've attempted to recreate what the original MJ version would have sounded like by filtering out as much of the music from the new version as possible, then blending it with the instrumental of Greg Phillinganes 1985 version, taken from the official vinyl release of the single.

It's still a work in progress and I wasn't able to make a full acapella from the new version, so it's kinda messy, but I did what I could.

I've posted a clip for you guys here:

http://soundcloud.com/s-e...e-mix-clip

Let me know what you think. If you guys dig it I can try and finish it.

daPrettyman said:

angel345 said:

I remembered reading in MJ's autobiography "Moonwalker" that when he recorded "Thriller", and send it to Sony the first time, they rejected the track because it sounded crappy. It was a lot of pressure recording that album. It's amazing how the music industry changed because Sony back then wouldn't have been caught dead putting crappy tracks out there, and if MJ was around, he wouldn't be caught dead, doing the same.

I agree. I think the big difference is that it was still CBS records at the time that was handling everything and wasn't a big conglomerate like it is now.

Come to think about it, you're right. CBS records became Epic. When Sony took over, and I do not know what year, but I know it was after 'Thriller', I have noticed his record deals became more lucrative, if I am correct. I need to correct something, the title of the book. It's 'Moonwalk'

Militant said:

For the folks that feel the new version of "Behind The Mask" is a little overproduced....

I've attempted to recreate what the original MJ version would have sounded like by filtering out as much of the music from the new version as possible, then blending it with the instrumental of Greg Phillinganes 1985 version, taken from the official vinyl release of the single.

It's still a work in progress and I wasn't able to make a full acapella from the new version, so it's kinda messy, but I did what I could.

I've posted a clip for you guys here:

http://soundcloud.com/s-e...e-mix-clip

Let me know what you think. If you guys dig it I can try and finish it.

I should push you down a flight of stairs and stab you with my used fork! you better finish this record! I like it .. I cant stand the crowd noises and the paste from the Dangerous tour on the album version . it doesnt fit the song at all

Wow, 600 plays of the clip on my SoundCloud in less than a day, I guess there is interest in this. I will definitely try and finish this over the next few days.

Militant said:

Wow, 600 plays of the clip on my SoundCloud in less than a day, I guess there is interest in this. I will definitely try and finish this over the next few days.

Please do so I can replace the album version with yours