I actually DIG monster..if that WAS HIM. the arrangments is actually very very good. outdated sure. but i dig it non the less. dont sound that much like him though. wish it was him though. WOULD LOVE THAT SONG!

WetDream said:

That Gangsta vocal is ferocious. Can't be sure about the song though...the rap trax that sampled it were disgraceful. Might be worth hearing the actual track just for his vocal though.

There is no rap on the song, at least not by Pras or that other guy. It's an MJ solo cut.

Superstition said:

WetDream said:

That Gangsta vocal is ferocious. Can't be sure about the song though...the rap trax that sampled it were disgraceful. Might be worth hearing the actual track just for his vocal though.

There is no rap on the song, at least not by Pras or that other guy. It's an MJ solo cut.

Oh, then sorry guys. I thought it was the original, full cut.

I posted Blue Gansta clip on another forum and asked the question

"I wonder which came first,Tempermental's version,or Mike's solo version?"

And someone else replied back:

"As far as I can understand, MJ made it with Tempamental, so that is the "real" version. In the clip you posted, it sounds like they might be stringing background vocals together - maybe some verses they didn't include in the original song. MJ did that a lot - had other vocals or verses that didn't end up being in the final mix. He would often make those extra vocals available to people who covered or remixed the songs. (Examples of that are on Thriller 25.)"

Im Not sure what to think of her reply!

NaughtyKitty said:

^^^Cool! I just found another clip of it too

[Edited 11/29/10 7:25am]

*falls to knees and thanks God for this masterful song*

I must have it!!! Now...I know one of y'all got info on how to get this...spill it!

"Blue Gangsta" better show up on a posthumous release soon or else...

Nvncible1 said:

I actually DIG monster..if that WAS HIM. the arrangments is actually very very good. outdated sure. but i dig it non the less. dont sound that much like him though. wish it was him though. WOULD LOVE THAT SONG!

I dig it too.

I think it sounds like him for sure.

BabyBeMine said:

Continued from the Arist wannabe MJ thread

MJ fans should be the last one calling others copycats because Michael Jackson was the ultimate follower trying to get in whats hot at the present time. Lets take it back

I always thought the sound of MJ's music has always been a reflection of the music at that time, I think, and his own dancing is a reflection of other numerous influences that came before him and even during. From releasing a disco album back in 1979, especially after the infamous 'disco demolition night', to hiring Rodney Jerkins in 2001, MJ has always been about keeping himself afloat by following and studying current music trends. I knew this way back when and I am, literally, surprised when people who accuse of him of this as if they hadn't realized it yet or say that it just 'magically' happened after Thriller. Sometimes I wonder if the people who claim this have been listening to only just Michael Jackson their entire lives up until they entered college. The only time I can say that this didn't happen was maybe back in 1995 with the release of HIStory. At that time it was still kinda New Jack Swingish, but overall he had kinda missed the train considering what was going on, musically, at the time.

Yet, even for all that, I always thought that MJ added his own very distinct flavor and sounds to whatever trend(s) he was following at the time, or not following in some very distinct cases. This, I thought, raised him well above a mere 'copycat' as you are calling him. Even with Dangerous, the first half of the album is very New Jack Swing influenced and the other half isn't, in the very least. It sounds like Michael Jackson music.

BabyBeMine said:

1. Dangerous is actually his worse worK and blah blah blah...

Thanks for your opinions on Dangerous, but I have to respectfully, disagree, since it doesn't hold true for everyone, especially not me. Please learn that art is SUBJECTIVE rather than objective. I don't know why some people can't figure that out yet. =/

BabyBeMine said:

Your a genius right? Your supposed to be this innovative artist and your desperately trying to get with the current popular producers after they had already introduced that sound.

For someone who claims to have been such a long time MJ enthusiast I think you are misunderstanding him a bit no? I think the real question is, do you even understand them? MJ had a career with the Jackson 5 remember? Do you remember what happened to them? They went to nowheresville pretty fast. Being the quick study and as smart as he was, I am more than certain that he didn't want that to happen to his own solo career. I can imagine how being on top of the world during your preteens and then to suddenly grow up and then be out of everyone's favor really affected his later decisions in his own solo career. Especially since Motown kept them on the same material and didn't change it up for them even though they were getting older and the times were changing.

So, MJ learned from the mistakes Motown made as well as the musicians that he revered. He tried to keep himself afloat by constantly studying what was relevant. He's always been that type of artist. This isn't some big revelation. Anyone who has been alive for the past 20+ years and are familiar with the music of that time should know that's what he did. Does this take away from anything he has done? Does this make him less talented of a musician? Does this make his work less relevant or inferior? No, it doesn't and it shouldn't.

BabyBeMine said:

How about producer your own music or take a UNKNOWN producer and make a hit album?

Yes, because Quincy Jones was just some 'unknown' producer. LOL

Tbqh every major artist has, at least, one peak album. That one album that sells a buttload of copies and is considered to be their best and/or popular work. I can't even think of another artist who has has achieved such a similar amount of staggering success considering. Not ever. I think it was a little unrealistic to think that even Michael Jackson could. Though, I would like to know who you know has which would cause you to pose such a statement in the first place? I assume that you would say this, because either you do know of one or you, yourself, have achieved multiple hit albums, therefore you are in a position where you can criticize Michael Jackson for not having more than 5 of his own correct?

bboy87 said:

I was never really that interested in hearing the full version of Blue Gangster.......

....until I heard that snippet

HOT DAMN! I NEED THAT IN MY LIFE!

I read your post and then I went to hear it and I thought to myself, initially, that "Eh, doesn't sound any different from the last snippet that was released." Then I heard him singing and then I finally saw the light...

I NEED TO HEAR THIS SONG!!!!!

I'm holding off on hearing any of the youtube leaked tracks from the album for 2 reasons:

1. I want to hear the whole Michael album fresh - like back in the day. And then I'll weigh in on if I think the vocals are him or not him.

2. Has anyone authenticated these are actual snippets of the songs from the album yet, or once again could it be over zealous fans wanting to create a "new" MJ song or worse. Obviously having not heard the final track or the snippet I can't say so I'd rather deal in absolutes when the album is out.

Thankfully its only 10 more days til the album comes out.

Asymphony5 said:

^

Also, I think it's because of his personality too. There's always been this longing in me that Michael had a better life. Like you said, he was a tortured soul but that's the thing so captivating about him. Damn it, I wished he had a better life. When you see him as a kid, it really breaks my heart because that Michael was so confident, so knowing that it really makes you wonder what happened behind close doors to make him change into such a reserved, shy and reclusive person.

Anyways, as for musically - both are apples and oranges. It's a good thing I like both.

I know what you mean. Michael's changing was almost not human and we witness the strange side effects of too much fame, what childhood stardom can do and media power. It was a modern day crucification if you ask me. Those allegations must have been spiritually crippling. This is what makes me mad with the people who accuse him. Do they ever for one moment stop and think how devastating it must have been to be accused of something so ugly, that you didn't do. No wonder he couldn't sleep.

I think MJ was by nature a shy character; he always seemed a bit of a softie and with his high pitched voice, always fragile. Maybe never being on stage he would have been just a regular shy reticent type.

But I do believe MJ recaptured some of his lost youth through his 3 kids and I hope that the rumours that he had a private girlfriend somewhere that noone knew about is true. Then behind closed doors at least he would have had someone to love him unconditionally, without the fame and someone who stood close to him, loving him for who he was and not as Michael Jackson.

At least I feel in some of his songs, he found or experienced that at some time, and that makes me happy.

Swa said:

I'm holding off on hearing any of the youtube leaked tracks from the album for 2 reasons:

1. I want to hear the whole Michael album fresh - like back in the day. And then I'll weigh in on if I think the vocals are him or not him.

2. Has anyone authenticated these are actual snippets of the songs from the album yet, or once again could it be over zealous fans wanting to create a "new" MJ song or worse. Obviously having not heard the final track or the snippet I can't say so I'd rather deal in absolutes when the album is out.

Thankfully its only 10 more days til the album comes out.

This is just my opinion, but the person singing on Breaking News sounds the same as the person singing on these snippets. So I think they're legit. They also come from the same person leaking some legit tracks.

The production on the Monster snippet is actually pretty good... it sounds like an actual completed song sung straight through. But I think the song is garbage. If MJ had actually done the song and written the lyrics and added his own backing vocals and gave it his own spin, it may actually be a good song. And hell, maybe I'm totally wrong. But for the life of me these songs from this particular source all sound like someone else.

You tricked me '95
Left and you said cried
People telling me you've got another guy
I've been abused
Watched me get confused
Said you'd be my wife
Nothing but big lies
Don't know what I've done
Everything we've got
Things you've done to me
Are coming back to you

Well damn, I wonder who he was talking about in THAT verse.....

bboy87 said:

You tricked me '95
Left and you said cried
People telling me you've got another guy
I've been abused
Watched me get confused
Said you'd be my wife
Nothing but big lies
Don't know what I've done
Everything we've got
Things you've done to me
Are coming back to you

Well damn, I wonder who he was talking about in THAT verse.....

Man I want this song!!! I want it!!!!!!!!!!!

bboy87 said:

You tricked me '95
Left and you said cried
People telling me you've got another guy
I've been abused
Watched me get confused
Said you'd be my wife
Nothing but big lies
Don't know what I've done
Everything we've got
Things you've done to me
Are coming back to you

Well damn, I wonder who he was talking about in THAT verse.....

The vocals are great

bboy87 said:

You tricked me '95
Left and you said cried
People telling me you've got another guy
I've been abused
Watched me get confused
Said you'd be my wife
Nothing but big lies
Don't know what I've done
Everything we've got
Things you've done to me
Are coming back to you

Well damn, I wonder who he was talking about in THAT verse.....

Well I know he aint singing about Debbie Rowe Good work Jay! Man...and he sounds really pissed as he sings this too. I really really want this song now!

bboy87 said:

You tricked me '95
Left and you said cried
People telling me you've got another guy
I've been abused
Watched me get confused
Said you'd be my wife
Nothing but big lies
Don't know what I've done
Everything we've got
Things you've done to me
Are coming back to you

Well damn, I wonder who he was talking about in THAT verse.....

LOL Is this song going to be premiered on the Oprah show? The same show where Lisa sat there and spilt her little heart out about their marriage? If it is I can't wait.

Though, I have to say, if this song was part of the out-takes from Invincible, I just have one question: WTF happened? I like Invincible, but in terms of lyrics, I always wondered just wtf happened? Like, they some of them didn't sound very MJ you know? They seemed so far removed from his usual stuff. Threatened, Speechless, The Lost Children, and Unbreakable sounded very him. I was thinking maybe he was listening to all the critics and just decided to release something very opposite of HIStory or...maybe it was a big "fuck you" to Sony? I was wondering if MJ had that kind of album.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki2DB2dYzOQ

Joe Jackson and buddy Leonard Rowe are back at it again. The two wrote a book portraying themselves as the good guys (when we know what their role really was), while calling Michael everything but a child of God.

Then they shut their mouths for a while...

BUT they're back AGAIN!

In a recent Brazil show, Rowe and Joe, which saviors, called Michael a junkie, a liar and babbled about their made up fantastical story about AEG and what really happened!

THEY'RE BACK AGAIN! HOORRAY!

ali23 said:

I posted Blue Gansta clip on another forum and asked the question

"I wonder which came first,Tempermental's version,or Mike's solo version?"

And someone else replied back:

"As far as I can understand, MJ made it with Tempamental, so that is the "real" version. In the clip you posted, it sounds like they might be stringing background vocals together - maybe some verses they didn't include in the original song. MJ did that a lot - had other vocals or verses that didn't end up being in the final mix. He would often make those extra vocals available to people who covered or remixed the songs. (Examples of that are on Thriller 25.)"

Im Not sure what to think of her reply!

FALSE....

MJ never worked Tempaflopmental , MJ reacorded that song during the invinicble sessions with Dr.freeze , the same person who produced Break of dawn and Place with no name ......

Tempamental is a NOBODY

bboy87 said:

I was never really that interested in hearing the full version of Blue Gangster.......

....until I heard that snippet

HOT DAMN! I NEED THAT IN MY LIFE!

Unholyalliance said:

skywalker said:

Hey, thanks for being so polite. I appreciate it.

Oh hey, your welcome. There's just nothing greater than when posters love to litter the MJ sticky with Prince v. MJ posts. All of us here really appreciate it, especially since in all the years that both of them have been out no one's ever thought to try and act like there's some competition between them. I just can't get enough of it.

Guess what? If anyone wants to talk about MJ and/or Prince together...it gets routed to this thread. Maybe you should tell the moderators to make more permanent MJ threads at the org. My conversation was branching off a thread in the Prince forum. So, I am sorry if you view this as me pissing in your territory, but that's not where it's at. So, where does one go to compare contrast Prince and MJ? Here at the only MJ thread allowed.

skywalker said:

Besides, you know that 12 year olds prefer Michael Jackson (Add your own MJ/kid joke here).

Yet, every so often you get this one really super special 12 year old that thinks they're being different.

[Edited 11/28/10 14:02pm]

Thanks for enlightening me with all of the wisdom you've garnered in your entire 4 months as a contributing member to prince.org. Hee Hee!

BabyBeMine said:

Continued from the Arist wannabe MJ thread

MJ fans should be the last one calling others copycats because Michael Jackson was the ultimate follower trying to get in whats hot at the present time. Lets take it back

1. Teddy Riley: Did MJ copy Bobby Brown? Its obvious he must have liked that dont be cruel album and Rileys work with Guy and Keith Sweat. Thats a follower. Fans call Dangerous innovative but that Teddy Riley sound was 3 to 4 years old and Dangerous is actually his worse work. Guy, Bobby Brown, Keith Sweat early albums under Teddy Riley rip apart that Dangerous album.

2. Heartbreaker, Invincible, Unbreakable sound like NSYNC songs. Especially Heartbreaker which sounds like NSYNC 2000 song Pop.

3. In 1987 Quincy Jones had RUN DMC in the studio ready to lay down there part of a song or two. MJ told Quincy rap was dead and it was only 1987. Quincy knew the direction music was going and that it would be popular. Fast forward to 1991 now MJ is jumping on the bandwagon like a non Steelers fan saying im a Pittsburgh fan now..LOL...MJ was like i want a rapper..i want a rapper...Now he has all these rappers on his albums.

4. Rodney Jerkins: Why is MJ hiring Rodney now? Oh i know because the popular artist on the radio were produced by Jerkins at the time. Follower

Your a genius right? Your supposed to be this innovative artist and your desperately trying to get with the current popular producers after they had already introduced that sound.

How about producer your own music or take a UNKNOWN producer and make a hit album?

[Edited 11/28/10 21:14pm]

To a certain extent I agree with this post.

However, a lot of MJ's genius was in collaboration.

This was the same process he used with Off The Wall, Thriller, and Bad. He knew how to get what he wanted out of producers and tailor it special for that Michael Jackson magic. It wasn't like MJ was pulling a fast one or living a charade. There was always more than one wizard behind the Michael Jackson curtain and they always got there dues in the linear notes and they always got paid.

Michael was like Marvin in that regard. He collaborate with someone and their presences helped to bolster the productions (Michael's and Marvin's). Michael was also a great arranger. He can tell you what he wanted without playing it himself. So he knew about how he wanted the music to sound. Even Quincy's ass would admit that!

As for Joe Jackson, again, fuck him.

Timmy84 said:

Michael was like Marvin in that regard. He collaborate with someone and their presences helped to bolster the productions (Michael's and Marvin's). Michael was also a great arranger. He can tell you what he wanted without playing it himself. So he knew about how he wanted the music to sound. Even Quincy's ass would admit that!

As for Joe Jackson, again, fuck him.

You sure?

bboy87 said:

You tricked me '95
Left and you said cried
People telling me you've got another guy
I've been abused
Watched me get confused
Said you'd be my wife
Nothing but big lies
Don't know what I've done
Everything we've got
Things you've done to me
Are coming back to you

Well damn, I wonder who he was talking about in THAT verse.....

The talentless heffa....Lisa Flop presley

Next !

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Michael was like Marvin in that regard. He collaborate with someone and their presences helped to bolster the productions (Michael's and Marvin's). Michael was also a great arranger. He can tell you what he wanted without playing it himself. So he knew about how he wanted the music to sound. Even Quincy's ass would admit that!

As for Joe Jackson, again, fuck him.

You sure?

I would hope so.

Can anyone tell me about this?

Certain Prince fans are so pathetic. Why don't ya'll just focus on loving Prince and stop worrying about Michael and trying to belittle him. You all just sound jealous and bitter. Why so insecure?

NaughtyKitty said:

Can anyone tell me about this?

FAKE