BabyBeMine said:

MJ kept his recorded vocals for those he did not trust, OR were new to him. For example a new producer he was working with.

Ne Yo

Will I AM

These type of cats...MJ aint gonna trust to the point where he gives them his vocals. Yea MJ and Will i Am built up a temporary bond over a couple of months, but MJ and the Cascio's were friends for over 25 years. You cant make the comparison.

MJ listened to ideas from many young producers such as Irv Gotti in 2002 after the Lakers beat the New Jersey Nets in the NBA Finals. Mike flew Gotti out to Neverland.

He had Ne Yo submit demo beats and instrumentals. But these guys, MJ was not tight with like that so he kept his recorded vocals.

NeYo? To my knowledge, MJ never recorded the songs he picked from Neyo

alphastreet said:

and fall again, we've had enough, those are soulful too! You look like a total ass right now babybemine, why even have an mj fan name when you don't know all of his collection up until the very end?

exactly

BabyBeMine said:

Militant

The other day you brought up if they went to trial the Cascio's would get ripped to pieces. Are you sure about that?

1. Cascio's

2. Jackson Brothers and Nephews

Evidence would prove the Jackson brothers and Nephews wanted something from Mike....and would also prove the Cascio's wanted nothing from MJ but friendship and love.

Mike actually got sleep at there house

SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus, every other comment is from you. Nobody cares what you have to say anymore, calm down.

ok

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Anyone think the keyboards in "Hollywood Tonight" sound a bit like "When Doves Cry"

Loving the album especially:

Hollywood Tonight

Breaking News

Behind the Mask

Best of Joy

keep your head up (although vibrato is a bit annoying)

My current playlist. about 3.5 hours. Could have put a few more tracks in too but enough's enough!

Shake A Body

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough - Demo

She's Out Of My Life - Demo

Workin Day & Night - Demo

Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' - Demo

Baby Be Mine - Demo

Beat It - Demo

Much Too Soon

The Girl Is Mine - Demo

Got The Hots

Night Line

Carousel

Hot Street

Trouble

This Is It

Sunset Driver

Scared Of The Moon

PYT - Demo

We Are The World - Demo

We Are Here To Change The World

Streetwalker

Fly Away

For All Time

Happy Birthday Lisa

Cheater

Dangerous - Demo

If You Don't Love Me

She Got It

Someone Put Your Hand Out

Serious Effect

Work That Body

Superfly Sister

Monkey Business

On The Line

Fall Again

In The Back

Shout

Beautiful Girl

The Way You Love Me

We've Had Enough

Xscape

Hold My Hand

Hollywood Tonight

The Way You Love Me

Blue Gangsta

12 O'clock (Do You Know Where Your Children are?)

Another Day

Behind The Mask

Best Of Joy.

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aiden said:

Anyone think the keyboards in "Hollywood Tonight" sound a bit like "When Doves Cry"

Loving the album especially:

Hollywood Tonight

Breaking News

Behind the Mask

Best of Joy

keep your head up (although vibrato is a bit annoying)

That's because it's simply NOT MJ

and babybemine .... log off

militant won ....

next!

motownlover said:

http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com

to further controversy , this shows mike and that james porte do backing vocals but mike is not credited for leads ...

not once did i think it was mike . i remember i logged in early to check the song and i was excited to whitnes a new song with new vocals and i thought this aint mike ( i already found the auw on the snippet strange) and to my surprise the ssong was sounding like someone else.

i went online to check if i was the only one thinking this. but this board was full of people in disbelief.

i hope mikes kids speak out againts this one day

This person either is deliberately trying to mislead or they don't know the difference between vocals recorded by as opposed to vocals by. The credit is given to the person who recorded Michael's vocals, in the same way that someone records strings etc. They are not the performer.

Anyone who is a fan of Michael's knows that Michael Dunham Prince was Michael's live engineer for his tours.

I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assume they mistook the recorded by to mean that it was Michael Dunham Prince singing on the tracks. Easy mistake but one that needs correcting fast.

ViintageJunkiie said:

BabyBeMine said:

MJ kept his recorded vocals for those he did not trust, OR were new to him. For example a new producer he was working with.

Ne Yo

Will I AM

These type of cats...MJ aint gonna trust to the point where he gives them his vocals. Yea MJ and Will i Am built up a temporary bond over a couple of months, but MJ and the Cascio's were friends for over 25 years. You cant make the comparison.

MJ listened to ideas from many young producers such as Irv Gotti in 2002 after the Lakers beat the New Jersey Nets in the NBA Finals. Mike flew Gotti out to Neverland.

He had Ne Yo submit demo beats and instrumentals. But these guys, MJ was not tight with like that so he kept his recorded vocals.

NeYo? To my knowledge, MJ never recorded the songs he picked from Neyo

Correct VJ - Ne-yo was working on songs with MJ in the composition. He would send the tracks to Mike and Mike would flick Ne-Yo notes or call him to discuss what needed improving or what other melodies to use. No tracks were ever recorded with Ne-Yo.

The most damning piece of evidence in the whole thing is that copyright filing from June 28th 2009.

The Cascio's would want to register what they had in order to protect it. They did exactly that. They registered what they had - LYRICS.

Not once has any of us disputed that lyrically, the songs are consistent with Michael's songwriting. And I don't have any problem believing that he WROTE these songs. He just ain't singing 'em.

Militant said:

The most damning piece of evidence in the whole thing is that copyright filing from June 28th 2009.

Yep. Their 'friend' wasn't even cold and they were rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of lining their pockets. Scum.

BabyBeMine said:

Im laughing right now....You know why?

There is evidence of MJ singing "Keep Your Head Up" in the Cascio's basement LIVE

But there saving in for the video. All the fake crap will be put to rest

To be honest im not even arguing. I know im right and it will be proven

The footage shows MJ pausing and stopping and doing multiple takes. There were points where his falsetto was off and he wanted to do it over again. There joking about how it sounds great and MJ is like...We can do better than this

Im giving out to much info and will stop....RIGHT HERE

There's actually footage of him recording the songs?! How did you get to see it? How come it hasnt been released publicly yet? I mean theres been so much uproar over the Cascio tracks, why not release the footage to quiet the naysayers?

Michael Jackson died in June 2009 after suffering a cardiac arrest

More previously unheard material from Michael Jackson is to be released, one of his producers has confirmed.

Teddy Riley, who completed three tracks on Jackson's forthcoming album Michael, said: "I look forward to doing the next one and I'm glad I'm on board."

Michael, out on 13 December, contains ten tracks, the first 'new' material since the star's death in 2009.

The build-up has been marred by arguments over the authenticity of Jackson's vocals.

'Bad character'

Riley, a founding member of group Blackstreet, used vocals recorded by Jackson to finish a handful of tracks including Hollywood Tonight, Monster and Breaking News.

"We will not do anything with bad character and it will be him," he said of his future involvement with Jackson material.

"It's not about the money it's about making sure everything is right."

The producer, who worked on Jackson's 1991 album Dangerous, also defended claims from Jackson's nephews saying that the vocals sounded "fake" on the new material by saying, "no one could ever duplicate Michael".

Teddy Riley [left] produced three tracks on 'new' Jackson album Michael

"He had different textures of voices," he said. "These particular vocals were how he felt when he worked with the Casios [keyboards].

"Different styles and different places of Michael. Truthfully, I love my songs.

"It's what he [Jackson] would have expected us to do. If he was here he would have pushed us even more. It's an incredible record.

"The family reap the benefits from this."

The album features guest appearances from other artists including Akon, 50 Cent, Lenny Kravitz and Foo Fighters' Dave Grohl.

Black Eyed Peas' will.i.am, who also worked on material with Jackson which doesn't appear on Michael, has criticised the release calling it "disrespectful".

However, Akon who guests on single Hold My Hand, has defended the release saying it is "keeping his legacy alive".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/11957645

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Timmy84 said:

After hearing the stream, the best songs on this are:

1.) Hollywood Tonight (though that talking bridge can be a little annoying, like Tarryl was trying to match Michael's talks in "Dangerous" lol)

2.) (I Like) The Way You Love Me (This song has a pseudo modern doo-wop feel, I always felt it was when I originally heard it.)

3.) Best of Joy (y'all may call it bubblegum pop if you want but I loved it, it definitely reminded me of his J5 period and that's not a bad feeling either)

4.) (I Can't Make It) Another Day (for obvious reasons already, this track is the knock)

5.) Behind the Mask (I have to agree this is probably THE track on the album. And nice for Shanice to add in her vocals at the end. I never heard a sax solo in Michael's songs since "Girlfriend")

6.) Much Too Soon (I already loved it)

"Hold My Hand" is tolerable but Acorn makes it hard for me to appreciate it fully. The production of "Keep Your Head Up" is better and thank God they removed that sampled "Earth Song" ad-lib though they could've also removed "woo! woo! woo!" The song sound like Michael and another man was singing in a photoshopped duet.

"Monster" is obviously the worst song on the album even if Michael was on it lol and I was already tired of "Breaking News".

6.5/10 is what I give the album.

Yeah. I don´t listen to that song at all. I can´t stand Akon´s voice.

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Timmy84 said:

EmeraldSkies said:

I just heard Best Of Joy,and it literally moved me to tears.

I smiled when I heard it.

I wish someone has the song without the stream, that would be cool lol

Great song....isn't?

It's just from the heart.....gorgeous.

babybugz said:

Teddy Riley need to sit down somewhere.

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I am listening to Best of Joy,and need some help with the lyrics. Does anyone know what is being said in th area with stars?

I am forever, wasn't it I who carried you around?
When all the walls came tumbling down
When things would hurt you
I am forever, I am forever
We are forever, we are forever
You are the sun that lights up the sky, when things are shady
****************, I was the only one around

skywalker said:

Forget all the controversy.

I'd suffer a dozen fake MJ songs for every "Behind the Mask". That song is ferocious and classic Michael Jackson. A sax solo? In 2010? Fucking brilliant.

Also, I am feeling the Lenny Kravitz song as well.

That's my favorite on the album so far, also.

EmeraldSkies said:

I am listening to Best of Joy,and need some help with the lyrics. Does anyone know what is being said in th area with stars?

I am forever, wasn't it I who carried you around?
When all the walls came tumbling down
When things would hurt you
I am forever, I am forever
We are forever, we are forever
You are the sun that lights up the sky, when things are shady
****************, I was the only one around

"Let come what may, we do get by"

tangerine7 said:

Hold My Hand ~ Michael Jackson ft. Akon

[Edited 12/8/10 21:42pm]

I like this video..

Michael love children, very fitting for him. Very upbeat song.

ViintageJunkiie said:

BabyBeMine said:

MJ kept his recorded vocals for those he did not trust, OR were new to him. For example a new producer he was working with.

Ne Yo

Will I AM

These type of cats...MJ aint gonna trust to the point where he gives them his vocals. Yea MJ and Will i Am built up a temporary bond over a couple of months, but MJ and the Cascio's were friends for over 25 years. You cant make the comparison.

MJ listened to ideas from many young producers such as Irv Gotti in 2002 after the Lakers beat the New Jersey Nets in the NBA Finals. Mike flew Gotti out to Neverland.

He had Ne Yo submit demo beats and instrumentals. But these guys, MJ was not tight with like that so he kept his recorded vocals.

NeYo? To my knowledge, MJ never recorded the songs he picked from Neyo

Ne-Yo has stated that in several interviews over the past year. He said that since MJ was gone, no one is going to record them (unless he can get one of the family members to do it.).

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

I smiled when I heard it.

I wish someone has the song without the stream, that would be cool lol

Great song....isn't?

It's just from the heart.....gorgeous.

Superstition said:

EmeraldSkies said:

I am listening to Best of Joy,and need some help with the lyrics. Does anyone know what is being said in th area with stars?

I am forever, wasn't it I who carried you around?
When all the walls came tumbling down
When things would hurt you
I am forever, I am forever
We are forever, we are forever
You are the sun that lights up the sky, when things are shady
****************, I was the only one around

"Let come what may, we do get by"

That's what I got from it too after many listens.

dag said:

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When I watched the Hold My Hand vid..I saw this pic and I was in love!!!

Miss you everyday Michael

Swa said:

motownlover said:

http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com

to further controversy , this shows mike and that james porte do backing vocals but mike is not credited for leads ...

not once did i think it was mike . i remember i logged in early to check the song and i was excited to whitnes a new song with new vocals and i thought this aint mike ( i already found the auw on the snippet strange) and to my surprise the ssong was sounding like someone else.

i went online to check if i was the only one thinking this. but this board was full of people in disbelief.

i hope mikes kids speak out againts this one day

This person either is deliberately trying to mislead or they don't know the difference between vocals recorded by as opposed to vocals by. The credit is given to the person who recorded Michael's vocals, in the same way that someone records strings etc. They are not the performer.

Anyone who is a fan of Michael's knows that Michael Dunham Prince was Michael's live engineer for his tours.

I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assume they mistook the recorded by to mean that it was Michael Dunham Prince singing on the tracks. Easy mistake but one that needs correcting fast.

"Vocals produced" don't always mean that person did the singing so I don't know what he's trying to pull with that.

Timmy84 said:

Swa said:

This person either is deliberately trying to mislead or they don't know the difference between vocals recorded by as opposed to vocals by. The credit is given to the person who recorded Michael's vocals, in the same way that someone records strings etc. They are not the performer.

Anyone who is a fan of Michael's knows that Michael Dunham Prince was Michael's live engineer for his tours.

I am giving them the benefit of the doubt and assume they mistook the recorded by to mean that it was Michael Dunham Prince singing on the tracks. Easy mistake but one that needs correcting fast.

"Vocals produced" don't always mean that person did the singing so I don't know what he's trying to pull with that.

So true.

You know, if Sony was wise, they would not release any more tracks from the Casicio (however u spell their name) brothers. They would stick to the other tracks that were either complete or almost complete. Anyway, the stuff that they did is not that great. I'll take a full version of "Carousel" over that crap.

BabyBeMine said:

Militant said:

7 songs are OBVIOUSLY Michael.

3 are not. And, no surprise, those three songs come from the same source.

The digitally added vibrato is present on the three fake songs. It's not present in any others, nor any other MJ song ever released in his entire career.

There's no documentation or evidence pertaining to the three fake songs or their origins. There is for all 7 others.

The inconsistent pronunciation compared to every other MJ song ever released and airy vocal tone are present on the three fake songs, and not on the 7 real songs.

The 7 real songs have been registered with ASCAP for years with Michael as a songwriter. The three fake songs were not registered until 2 days after Michael died, and even then, they weren't registered individually, but all in one registration under the title "MJ Songbook".

There are master tapes, multi-tracks, adlibs, written lyric sheets, and alternate versions (in some cases) for the 7 real songs. There are NONE of these for the 3 fake songs - the Cascio's sent the Estate already-processed vocal tracks and claimed that was all they had because the computer they were recorded on "broke" and the hard drive "was destroyed".

Should I keep going?

Questions for you?

1. Where is there evidence of the Cascio's ever lying on MJ

2. Who did MJ call three days before his death? Members of his own family or the Cascio's?

3. Have the Cascio's ever rolled by MJ's crib wanting to say hello, only to have armed security guards saying... ummm nope nope...Well this happen to several of MJ's family members. Why? Because he's closer to the Cascio's then his own family. Michael during his later years only dealt with his family once every BLUE MOON... Outside of his mother

Majority of Michael''s own family said they last spoke with him at there parents reunion in May 2009

So i choose to believe the family MJ prefered to spend quality time with during his later years.

Did MJ go to Tito or Jackie's basement and record? NOPE....Tito does have a studio, i hope you know that... But the kind of pop wasn't there...I wonder why

I thought MJ and 3t were close? How come he wasn't at Tito's studio in 2007?

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Babybemine, you're making too much sense for these guys. Don't you know it's all a conspiracyyyyyyyyyy against the Jacksons?

Anyway, I now realize that you are correct in most things you say. I've been agreeing with you for a long time, now. Don't expect them to see that, though because, in their eyes, it's all a conspiracyyyyyyyyy against the Jacksons by the meanie, meanie, meanie Cascios.

The most damning piece of evidence in the whole thing is that copyright filing from June 28th 2009.

Militant: Joe, Rowe and Randy filled to be executors of the estate on the morning of June 27th. Aren't they so lovely and this and that, according to you? So if the Jacksons who, in your perspective are all so full of love and decency, made this move so early why are the Cascios wrong for doing the same???

And yes; the Cascios were, in a way, Michael's real family as much as that may destroy some of your illusions.