Forget all the controversy.

I'd suffer a dozen fake MJ songs for every "Behind the Mask". That song is ferocious and classic Michael Jackson. A sax solo? In 2010? Fucking brilliant.

Also, I am feeling the Lenny Kravitz song as well.

babybugz said:

For those that listen how many songs sound like Michael's and How many don't?

7 out of 10 sound like classic MJ to me, without question. Seriously, I don't know how anyone could question the 7 songs, but I guess there are people who say "How can you question the other 3". It's just a totally jacked up situation. But I think its safe to say that if it is him, Mike sounded jacked up or they really jacked the vocals up badly for this many longtime fans to be questioning the vocals. Swa - I can only speak for myself, but I'm not one of the people who hears "some" of MJ's voice in the questioned tracks. It sounds like someone else singing all of the leads to me. I don't hear MJ at all in any of the three tracks. I don't have a problem with people singing backing vocals, or the chorus, or a hook. The problem for me is the lead vocals.

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Militant said:

babybugz said:

For those that listen how many songs sound like Michael's and How many don't?

7 songs are OBVIOUSLY Michael.

3 are not. And, no surprise, those three songs come from the same source.

The digitally added vibrato is present on the three fake songs. It's not present in any others, nor any other MJ song ever released in his entire career.

There's no documentation or evidence pertaining to the three fake songs or their origins. There is for all 7 others.

The inconsistent pronunciation compared to every other MJ song ever released and airy vocal tone are present on the three fake songs, and not on the 7 real songs.

The 7 real songs have been registered with ASCAP for years with Michael as a songwriter. The three fake songs were not registered until 2 days after Michael died, and even then, they weren't registered individually, but all in one registration under the title "MJ Songbook".

There are master tapes, multi-tracks, adlibs, written lyric sheets, and alternate versions (in some cases) for the 7 real songs. There are NONE of these for the 3 fake songs - the Cascio's sent the Estate already-processed vocal tracks and claimed that was all they had because the computer they were recorded on "broke" and the hard drive "was destroyed".

Should I keep going?

You can I enjoy your posts to be honest ,i'm going have to hear it for myself this is messed up smh.

EmeraldSkies said:

I just heard Best Of Joy,and it literally moved me to tears.

I smiled when I heard it.

I wish someone has the song without the stream, that would be cool lol

Militant said:

babybugz said:

For those that listen how many songs sound like Michael's and How many don't?

7 songs are OBVIOUSLY Michael.

3 are not. And, no surprise, those three songs come from the same source.

The digitally added vibrato is present on the three fake songs. It's not present in any others, nor any other MJ song ever released in his entire career.

There's no documentation or evidence pertaining to the three fake songs or their origins. There is for all 7 others.

The inconsistent pronunciation compared to every other MJ song ever released and airy vocal tone are present on the three fake songs, and not on the 7 real songs.

The 7 real songs have been registered with ASCAP for years with Michael as a songwriter. The three fake songs were not registered until 2 days after Michael died, and even then, they weren't registered individually, but all in one registration under the title "MJ Songbook".

There are master tapes, multi-tracks, adlibs, written lyric sheets, and alternate versions (in some cases) for the 7 real songs. There are NONE of these for the 3 fake songs - the Cascio's sent the Estate already-processed vocal tracks and claimed that was all they had because the computer they were recorded on "broke" and the hard drive "was destroyed".

Should I keep going?

Questions for you?

1. Where is there evidence of the Cascio's ever lying on MJ

2. Who did MJ call three days before his death? Members of his own family or the Cascio's?

3. Have the Cascio's ever rolled by MJ's crib wanting to say hello, only to have armed security guards saying... ummm nope nope...Well this happen to several of MJ's family members. Why? Because he's closer to the Cascio's then his own family. Michael during his later years only dealt with his family once every BLUE MOON... Outside of his mother

Majority of Michael''s own family said they last spoke with him at there parents reunion in May 2009

So i choose to believe the family MJ prefered to spend quality time with during his later years.

Did MJ go to Tito or Jackie's basement and record? NOPE....Tito does have a studio, i hope you know that... But the kind of pop wasn't there...I wonder why

I thought MJ and 3t were close? How come he wasn't at Tito's studio in 2007?

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I know why

Because MJ was tired of his broke brothers always asking can we work on another album

The same with his nephews...Yea he loved them, but they always asked for help. Uncle Mike can you do this for us? Uncle Mike can you sing on this track?

The Cascio's were a family who loved MJ for him and didn't want anything from him.

I choose to trust them. Why would i trust Randy when Mike turned his ass down at the Gates when he was trying to say hello to mike...MJ was like security guard...tell em im not here...LMBAO

Timmy84 said:

EmeraldSkies said:

I just heard Best Of Joy,and it literally moved me to tears.

I smiled when I heard it.

I wish someone has the song without the stream, that would be cool lol

What do you mean?

skywalker said:

Forget all the controversy.

I'd suffer a dozen fake MJ songs for every "Behind the Mask". That song is ferocious and classic Michael Jackson. A sax solo? In 2010? Fucking brilliant.

Also, I am feeling the Lenny Kravitz song as well.

YES! I so agree! That song was AMAZING! I was really impressed..

And I'm also with EmeraldSkies....Best of Joy (and Much Too Soon) moved me to tears. Very few artists can move fans to tears with their music and voice...but Michael Jackson is definitely one of those for me. The ability to move someone to tears is the mark of a great and true musician.

SherryJackson said:

skywalker said:

Forget all the controversy.

I'd suffer a dozen fake MJ songs for every "Behind the Mask". That song is ferocious and classic Michael Jackson. A sax solo? In 2010? Fucking brilliant.

Also, I am feeling the Lenny Kravitz song as well.

YES! I so agree! That song was AMAZING! I was really impressed..

And I'm also with EmeraldSkies....Best of Joy (and Much Too Soon) moved me to tears. Very few artists can move fans to tears with their music and voice...but Michael Jackson is definitely one of those for me. The ability to move someone to tears is the mark of a great and true musician.

I totally agree.

EmeraldSkies said:

Timmy84 said:

I smiled when I heard it.

I wish someone has the song without the stream, that would be cool lol

What do you mean?

The song by itself. Sorry lol

Timmy84 said:

EmeraldSkies said:

What do you mean?

The song by itself. Sorry lol

You mean just the song,with no talking over it like they do on the radio sometimes?

Superstition said:

"Monster" moved me to tears... of laughter.

lol I haven't heard that one yet.

EmeraldSkies said:

Timmy84 said:

The song by itself. Sorry lol

You mean just the song,with no talking over it like they do on the radio sometimes?

Yeah lol

Swa said:

A cautionary tale built around breakneck beats, "Hollywood Tonight" finds Jackson telling an intense story of a girl who lets glamour go to her head. The track sounds like Britney Spears' "Lucky" crossed with Justin Timberlake's "Lovestoned," but co-producer Teddy Riley had Jackson's own hits in mind when concocting its danceable sound. "I was looking at just doing the next level of 'Billie Jean' meets 'Dangerous' or 'Doggin' Me Around,'" says the producer, who previously worked with Jackson on tracks like "Remember the Time" and "Dangerous." "It's like one of those driving bass lines that you will remember."

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Non fans are actually lovin "Monster"

Can't have a high selling album with just your fan base buying. That wears out after 2 weeks

Unholyalliance said:

Swa said:

A cautionary tale built around breakneck beats, "Hollywood Tonight" finds Jackson telling an intense story of a girl who lets glamour go to her head. The track sounds like Britney Spears' "Lucky" crossed with Justin Timberlake's "Lovestoned," but co-producer Teddy Riley had Jackson's own hits in mind when concocting its danceable sound. "I was looking at just doing the next level of 'Billie Jean' meets 'Dangerous' or 'Doggin' Me Around,'" says the producer, who previously worked with Jackson on tracks like "Remember the Time" and "Dangerous." "It's like one of those driving bass lines that you will remember."

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How did Teddy get "Leave Me Alone" wrong?!

SherryJackson said:

skywalker said:

Forget all the controversy.

I'd suffer a dozen fake MJ songs for every "Behind the Mask". That song is ferocious and classic Michael Jackson. A sax solo? In 2010? Fucking brilliant.

Also, I am feeling the Lenny Kravitz song as well.

YES! I so agree! That song was AMAZING! I was really impressed..

And I'm also with EmeraldSkies....Best of Joy (and Much Too Soon) moved me to tears. Very few artists can move fans to tears with their music and voice...but Michael Jackson is definitely one of those for me. The ability to move someone to tears is the mark of a great and true musician.

I've said here that I hate crying, been on the verge over Michael several times, maybe even several times a week but it was his soul coming through his voice on "Hold My Hand" not so much the song but hearing Michael in a new track was almost like he was alive again I also am in the minority who think the song is pretty good. I like it. When I say the soul comes through, there is more in a voice than the instrument, it's the spirit too, as a performer I know when I have it and when I don't and it has only so much to do with technical perfection, the soul on that track is the kind gentle soul we all miss.

Unholyalliance said:

Swa said:

A cautionary tale built around breakneck beats, "Hollywood Tonight" finds Jackson telling an intense story of a girl who lets glamour go to her head. The track sounds like Britney Spears' "Lucky" crossed with Justin Timberlake's "Lovestoned," but co-producer Teddy Riley had Jackson's own hits in mind when concocting its danceable sound. "I was looking at just doing the next level of 'Billie Jean' meets 'Dangerous' or 'Doggin' Me Around,'" says the producer, who previously worked with Jackson on tracks like "Remember the Time" and "Dangerous." "It's like one of those driving bass lines that you will remember."

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Militant

The other day you brought up if they went to trial the Cascio's would get ripped to pieces. Are you sure about that?

1. Cascio's

2. Jackson Brothers and Nephews

Evidence would prove the Jackson brothers and Nephews wanted something from Mike....and would also prove the Cascio's wanted nothing from MJ but friendship and love.

Mike actually got sleep at there house

EmeraldSkies said:

Unholyalliance said:

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Don'tcha hate it when people do that? I repeat

If you fail at MJ lyrics, or MJ song names....it's only cute if YOU'RE Michael Jackson!!!! No self-respectin' fan would get that wrong...

BabyBeMine said:

Militant

The other day you brought up if they went to trial the Cascio's would get ripped to pieces. Are you sure about that?

1. Cascio's

2. Jackson Brothers and Nephews

Evidence would prove the Jackson brothers and Nephews wanted something from Mike....and would also prove the Cascio's wanted nothing from MJ but friendship and love.

Mike actually got sleep at there house

stop bringing all that relationship shiz up, it's irrelevant, look, at the end of the day, many fans question it, and the cascios have no concrete proof of anything, so why shouldn't it be an issue? bottom line.

Militant...bringing up Teddy Riley tax issues a couple of pages back to prove Riley may have been lying on Oprah is not relevant.

My Question was simple and not complicated

Who did MJ trust?

1. Cascio's

2. Brothers and Nephews

Cascio's.....So whatever the Nephews post on twitter is BS

Theres more of a chance the brothers and nephews would lie than the Cascio's because MJ didnt trust his own family. Like i said

Why wasn't MJ recording in Tito's studio in 2007? He and 3t could have shared old good times together

Hold My Hand ~ Michael Jackson ft. Akon

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My point is TRUST

You choose to believe those MJ didn't trust and i choose to believe the ones MJ did trust

Whenever his brothers called...i bet Mike was like...oooh damn what they want today?

BabyBeMine said:

My point is TRUST

You choose to believe those MJ didn't trust and i choose to believe the ones MJ did trust

Whenever his brothers called...i bet Mike was like...oooh damn what they want today?

my point is, is that before i heard a damn word out of anybody's mouth on either side, when Breaking News debuted, i (along with ALOT of other people) knew something fishy was up and that it wasn't him. so i really dont care what theories you have on MJ's family or friends.

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BabyBeMine said:

Questions for you?

1. Where is there evidence of the Cascio's ever lying on MJ

On Tuesday 7th December 2010, @Taryll said:

Frank hurt and betrayed my Uncle years ago, so when I learned about Eddie I wasn't completely shocked. The names are different but the story's the same. People taking advantage of my Uncle and now his legacy. I wish Oprah would have asked about the ridiculous amount these FAKE songs were sold to the estate for.

Where's the evidence of them recording with MJ? None.

2. Who did MJ call three days before his death? Members of his own family or the Cascio's?

What does this have to do with anything? MJ obviously didn't know he was about to be murdered, so him calling people means nothing. Unless you know what they talked about - which you don't. He could have called his accountant too - does that mean his accountant recorded MJ singing in his basement too? Maybe MJ called Macauly Culkin the day before he died. Let me guess, Macauly has songs too?

3. Have the Cascio's ever rolled by MJ's crib wanting to say hello, only to have armed security guards saying... ummm nope nope...Well this happen to several of MJ's family members. Why? Because he's closer to the Cascio's then his own family. Michael during his later years only dealt with his family once every BLUE MOON... Outside of his mother

You don't know that they haven't. SEVERAL of MJ's family members? Like who? Peers and elders? I've already gone over that topic.

Majority of Michael''s own family said they last spoke with him at there parents reunion in May 2009

By majority, you actually mean "a few". Name some names of ALL the people that said that. And what does the last time some family members saw him have to do with ANYTHING? Again, you have NO idea what family members Michael talked to in the final months of his life. This is all complete conjecture on your part, and it's all completely irrelevant too.

So i choose to believe the family MJ prefered to spend quality time with during his later years.

Did MJ go to Tito or Jackie's basement and record? NOPE....Tito does have a studio, i hope you know that... But the kind of pop wasn't there...I wonder why

I thought MJ and 3t were close? How come he wasn't at Tito's studio in 2007?

Tito and 3T are not one and the same, you know. MJ's relationship with Tito is a different relationship to how he got along with Tito's kids. Again, I've already explained this.

Why wasn't he at Tito's studio in 2007? Who the fuck knows - it's completely irrelevant. There's no evidence he was recording at the Cascio's studio either and there is nothing to suggest he ever did other than a handful of songs that don't sound like him, have nothing in common even compared to songs he recorded THE SAME YEAR (Hold My Hand), and have sampled breaths and adlibs from all sorts of other MJ songs. For the record though.... here's a crazy idea... perhaps MJ wasn't at Tito's studio in 2007 BECAUSE HE WAS LIVING IN LAS VEGAS AND RECORDING AT THE PALMS IN 2007. Akon recorded with MJ in Vegas in 2007. Will.I.Am recorded with MJ in Vegas in 2007 and took him to Prince's show at the Rio. RedOne recorded with MJ in Vegas in 2007.

Yes - everyone knows he stayed with the Cascio's for a couple of months at the end of 2007. But there's no evidence that he recorded there. Pretty much all of the articles about him being in Vegas mention that he was recording. None of the articles about him being in NJ (and there weren't many) say that he was recording whilst there.

But at the end of the day - I don't think anybody who feels passionately about this is going to change their mind at this point. However - I've answered your questions. You have not answered mine - but I'd love to see you try. So here goes:

1. Why don't the songs sound like anything else Michael ever recorded, including songs recorded in the SAME year? Bear in mind, "low budget studios" and "vocal processing" don't count, as I've already debunked both of these points and they are now invalid, having worked in studios myself for over 8 years and recorded everywhere from bedroom studios, engineering things myself, to the most expensive studios in the world with top-class engineers.

2. Why are there no adlibs, scratch vocal takes, demo takes, recordings of him humming parts of the songs as he was ALWAYS known to do? Why are there no lyric sheets, no pictures of Michael recording, no video footage of Michael recording, not a SINGLE piece of evidence that any recordings were made?

3. Eddie Cascio has a audio engineering qualification. WHY did he send already processed vocal tracks to the Estate as opposed to the original, unedited tracks? ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about audio engineering will tell you that there's ALWAYS an unedited version of the vocal as a backup in case you decide to undo what you did and mix the tracks differently. Since he has a qualification, he WOULD know this.

4. Why are there NO real MJ adlibs on the Cascio songs so they had to sample in adlibs from older, released songs?

5. Why is there a digitally added vibrato on the Cascio vocals? I've asked every producer I know when would be the appropriate time to add a digital vibrato, and they ALL said "when the singer isn't good enough to sing a real vibrato". Obviously not the case with Michael, and before you say "maybe his voice wasn't in good shape" - he sounds incredible on "Hold My Hand", recorded the SAME year.

6. Will.I.Am worked with Michael in 2006 and 2007 in Ireland and Las Vegas. He said that after the sessions, he'd keep the music on his hard drives and Michael would keep his recorded vocals on his. If that's the case, WHY would MJ leave vocals with the Cascio's? If the Cascio's did indeed record with Michael (which there's no evidence for), it's logical to assume Michael took the vocals, the Cascio's remembered how the songs went and recreated them with either Eddie, James or someone else singing them, then sampled in MJ breaths and adlibs from other places to mask it.

7. WHY did the Cascio's not register anything until after Michael died? Also, songs were never registered individually, as is standard practice, but instead were all registered together under the name "MJ Songbook", with NO individual songnames listed? Also - this "MJ Songbook" registration was NOT for songs. It was for LYRICS only. The only LOGICAL assumption here is that Michael WROTE these songs, but didn't record them. Otherwise - the Cascio's would have registered SONGS in the first place, and not just lyrics. So - WHY was the filing just for lyrics and not for songs?

It doesn't take a genius to realise that what seems to have happened is that Michael wrote down a bunch of lyrics in a book, perhaps even to some rudimentary music produced by Eddie, left the "Songbook" with the Cascio's, who saw their opportunity to make money after he died, registered the songs, then recorded someone else singing the lyrics that Michael wrote, processed the fuck out of them to try and cover up the fact that it wasn't MJ, added in sampled breaths and adlibs from other songs to further mask the fake vocals, then SOLD these tracks to the Estate.

Lets Keep it Real

Had 2000 watts and Butterflies came out TODAY and MJ had passed fans would say its not MJ

Your not gonna admit it now of course but

1. Butterflies - MJ had not sang soulful like this in years so fans of History and Blood on the Dance Floor would be like...hold up...Mike doesn't sing these type of...ne yo soul songs

2. 2000 Watts....Sounds nothing like MJ on parts but because he was alive you were like...i guess it is him. Had this been released today you would say MJ didnt sing the track.

Also the Cascio's have a low budget studio in there basement where the parts where MJ was singing, there were pillows where he was sleeping as well.

Cant compare this to a Teddy Riley who of course had a more professional production

You may ask yourself...How come MJ chose this over Do You know Where Your Children Are

Use your common sense......Are you prepared for MJ disses?

Yo Mike there at your house....You cant release that

Militant said:

BabyBeMine said:

Questions for you?

1. Where is there evidence of the Cascio's ever lying on MJ

By majority, you actually mean "a few". Name some names of ALL the people that said that. And what does the last time some family members saw him have to do with ANYTHING? Again, you have NO idea what family members Michael talked to in the final months of his life. This is all complete conjecture on your part, and it's all completely irrelevant too.

So i choose to believe the family MJ prefered to spend quality time with during his later years.

Did MJ go to Tito or Jackie's basement and record? NOPE....Tito does have a studio, i hope you know that... But the kind of pop wasn't there...I wonder why

I thought MJ and 3t were close? How come he wasn't at Tito's studio in 2007?

Tito and 3T are not one and the same, you know. MJ's relationship with Tito is a different relationship to how he got along with Tito's kids. Again, I've already explained this.

Why wasn't he at Tito's studio in 2007? Who the fuck knows - it's completely irrelevant. There's no evidence he was recording at the Cascio's studio either and there is nothing to suggest he ever did other than a handful of songs that don't sound like him, have nothing in common even compared to songs he recorded THE SAME YEAR (Hold My Hand), and have sampled breaths and adlibs from all sorts of other MJ songs. For the record though.... here's a crazy idea... perhaps MJ wasn't at Tito's studio in 2007 BECAUSE HE WAS LIVING IN LAS VEGAS AND RECORDING AT THE PALMS IN 2007. Akon recorded with MJ in Vegas in 2007. Will.I.Am recorded with MJ in Vegas in 2007 and took him to Prince's show at the Rio. RedOne recorded with MJ in Vegas in 2007.

Yes - everyone knows he stayed with the Cascio's for a couple of months at the end of 2007. But there's no evidence that he recorded there. Pretty much all of the articles about him being in Vegas mention that he was recording. None of the articles about him being in NJ (and there weren't many) say that he was recording whilst there.

But at the end of the day - I don't think anybody who feels passionately about this is going to change their mind at this point. However - I've answered your questions. You have not answered mine - but I'd love to see you try. So here goes:

1. Why don't the songs sound like anything else Michael ever recorded, including songs recorded in the SAME year? Bear in mind, "low budget studios" and "vocal processing" don't count, as I've already debunked both of these points and they are now invalid, having worked in studios myself for over 8 years and recorded everywhere from bedroom studios, engineering things myself, to the most expensive studios in the world with top-class engineers.

2. Why are there no adlibs, scratch vocal takes, demo takes, recordings of him humming parts of the songs as he was ALWAYS known to do? Why are there no lyric sheets, no pictures of Michael recording, no video footage of Michael recording, not a SINGLE piece of evidence that any recordings were made?

3. Eddie Cascio has a audio engineering qualification. WHY did he send already processed vocal tracks to the Estate as opposed to the original, unedited tracks? ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about audio engineering will tell you that there's ALWAYS an unedited version of the vocal as a backup in case you decide to undo what you did and mix the tracks differently. Since he has a qualification, he WOULD know this.

4. Why are there NO real MJ adlibs on the Cascio songs so they had to sample in adlibs from older, released songs?

5. Why is there a digitally added vibrato on the Cascio vocals? I've asked every producer I know when would be the appropriate time to add a digital vibrato, and they ALL said "when the singer isn't good enough to sing a real vibrato". Obviously not the case with Michael, and before you say "maybe his voice wasn't in good shape" - he sounds incredible on "Hold My Hand", recorded the SAME year.

6. Will.I.Am worked with Michael in 2006 and 2007 in Ireland and Las Vegas. He said that after the sessions, he'd keep the music on his hard drives and Michael would keep his recorded vocals on his. If that's the case, WHY would MJ leave vocals with the Cascio's? If the Cascio's did indeed record with Michael (which there's no evidence for), it's logical to assume Michael took the vocals, the Cascio's remembered how the songs went and recreated them with either Eddie, James or someone else singing them, then sampled in MJ breaths and adlibs from other places to mask it.

7. WHY did the Cascio's not register anything until after Michael died? Also, songs were never registered individually, as is standard practice, but instead were all registered together under the name "MJ Songbook", with NO individual songnames listed? Also - this "MJ Songbook" registration was NOT for songs. It was for LYRICS only. The only LOGICAL assumption here is that Michael WROTE these songs, but didn't record them. Otherwise - the Cascio's would have registered SONGS in the first place, and not just lyrics. So - WHY was the filing just for lyrics and not for songs?

It doesn't take a genius to realise that what seems to have happened is that Michael wrote down a bunch of lyrics in a book, perhaps even to some rudimentary music produced by Eddie, left the "Songbook" with the Cascio's, who saw their opportunity to make money after he died, registered the songs, then recorded someone else singing the lyrics that Michael wrote, processed the fuck out of them to try and cover up the fact that it wasn't MJ, added in sampled breaths and adlibs from other songs to further mask the fake vocals, then SOLD these tracks to the Estate.

MIlitant, I think i love you.

^

Militant, I'll give you a cookie if I could....