What does Teddy Riley taxes got to do with anything? Many athletes in football, basketball, boxing and music have had this problem. It's nothing new and does not mean Riley is all about money.

And to diss him saying what has he done lately. Well part of that is MJ's decision which was the bad one to allow Rodney Jerkins to produce Invincible. Unbreakable, Heartbreaker, Invincible are all horrible overproduced tracks. Should have let Teddy Riley and Andre Harris produce the entire album instead.

Being away from the game could be to certain labels and singers wanting to go with new producers and assuming your sound is dated. Dr Freeze was away, but "Break Of Dawn" is better than those Jerkins tracks and so is Rileys "heaven can wait" and "whatever happens"

MJ is guilty of this as well thinking because a producer is fresh the i got to get him for my album. Had MJ had "hollywood tonight" tracks on invincible the album would have been a classic. The ballads were great, but no dance tracks.

So MJ chose a new and fresh producer in Jerkins and the 4 best tracks were

Butterflies

Break Of Dawn

Whatever Happens

Heaven Can Wait

Neither track was produced by the hot producer at the time Rodney Jerkins

[Edited 12/7/10 23:33pm]

Invincible had dance tracks; you just didn't like them. You Rock My World did fairly well on US Radio and the video I saw on TV all the time.

BabyBeMine said:

What does Teddy Riley taxes got to do with anything? Many athletes in football, basketball, boxing and music have had this problem. It's nothing new and does not mean Riley is all about money.

And to diss him saying what has he done lately. Well part of that is MJ's decision which was the bad one to allow Rodney Jerkins to produce Invincible. Unbreakable, Heartbreaker, Invincible are all horrible overproduced tracks. Should have let Teddy Riley and Andre Harris produce the entire album instead.

It has plenty to do with it. It shows he needs the money, which gives him an agenda to lie about the fake songs. He needs the work. That much is obvious.

I wasn't dissing him by asking what he has done lately. As stated - I'm a fan. Much of Teddy's production in the 80's and early 90's is among some of my favorite music of all time. Rather, it was YOU that brought it up by asking what 3T are doing now. I was illustrating that while they may not be up to much - neither is Teddy. It's that simple.

As for Unbreakable, Heartbreaker and Invincible, I LOVE all those songs. As do MANY other fans. Please realise that not everyone shares your opinion here. All of those songs are about a million times better than the absolutely appalling "Shout", one of Michael's weakest songs ever, which MJ himself didn't think was even good enough to be more than a B-Side on the "Cry" CD single.... who produced Shout? Oh yeah, Teddy Riley did. So you see, again, it works both ways. You don't like Darkchild's productions in the Invincible era. But there's far more people that don't like "Shout", or Teddy's other track, "2000 Watts". I do agree with you regarding Andre Harris, though. He should have had some more tracks on there. I actually just found yesterday that him and his production partner Vidal just signed with new management who are friends of mine in the business. Dr. Freeze should also have had more tracks on the album. "Blue Gangster" should have replaced something like "2000 Watts", in my opinion.

Being away from the game could be to certain labels and singers wanting to go with new producers and assuming your sound is dated. Dr Freeze was away, but "Break Of Dawn" is better than those Jerkins tracks and so is Rileys "heaven can wait" and "whatever happens"

That's no excuse. I haven't seen Teddy take a chance on a new artist in years. Instead, he does half-assed Guy and Blackstreet reunions every few years and now takes his mealticket from the MJ estate regardless of songs even being MJ! The guy is so fucking talented, but he doesn't utilize his talent effectively. He just drifts, like he has a sense of entitlement just because he did "Dangerous" 20 years ago and "Another Level" 15 years ago. That last Blackstreet album that came out a few years ago was absolutely diabolical.

"Heaven Can Wait" is a bonafide classic, for sure. Love that song. But let's bear in mind that Teddy wasn't the sole producer of that song. Andraeo "Fanatic" Heard and Nate Smith have co-production credits on that song. In the industry, that's usually a sign that it was mostly their ideas but they needed a big name to get the song heard and out there. Exactly what Timbaland did when he started working with Danja. Exactly what Darkchild did on Janet's last album when D'Mile was credited as co-producer, and Darkchild's ideas had "mysteriously" gotten a lot better all of a sudden

I'm not really a big fan of "2000 Watts" or "Whatever Happens", they are mediocre songs to me. Interesting how there aren't any other co-producers on those two songs, but "Heaven Can Wait" is generally regarded as a FAR superior track and does have other producers credited. Not really hard to see what happened there.

MJ is guilty of this as well thinking because a producer is fresh the i got to get him for my album. Had MJ had "hollywood tonight" tracks on invincible the album would have been a classic. The ballads were great, but no dance tracks.

So MJ chose a new and fresh producer in Jerkins and the 4 best tracks were

Butterflies

Break Of Dawn

Whatever Happens

Heaven Can Wait

Neither track was produced by the hot producer at the time Rodney Jerkins

[Edited 12/7/10 23:33pm]

Bringing up "Hollywood Tonight" isn't really valid because it wasn't even written until '07. Plus, again, Brad Buxer produced that one, and I would put money on it that the main chords and elements of the song came from him and Teddy just finished and updated it.

The 4 best songs to me on Invincible:

Unbreakable (Darkchild)

Break Of Dawn (Freeze)

Heaven Can Wait (Riley/Fanatic/Smith)

Butterflies (Harris)

And if I had to pick a 5th, I'd go with "You Rock My World" - another Darkchild production.

Would be interesting if everyone else here picked their 4 favorite songs from Invincible so we can get a balanced perspective.

YRMW was cool.

Unbreakable, Heartbreaker, Invincible are fan songs. Not songs non fans were like thats the jam. You do know most hip hop stations play the entire album right. Pretty much have similair opinions when it comes to taste.

I know 100.3 the beat hosted by Steve Harvey and Power 106 Hosted by Big Boy which is the 1# station in California played the entire albums. The uptempo tracks they were like uhhh its aiiight....They were all over Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Break of Dawn. Power 106 did play thew YRMW remix featuring Jay Z

As soon as Butterflies came on they were like thats the sh**t right there.

Before his death MJ had Big Boy fly in so that he could hear the " Girl is Mind" remix in 2008. MJ took power 106 Big Boys opinion seriously.

Heartbreaker sounds like a video game...Kinda like NSYNC pop

MJ should have accepted those Neptunes tracks which were

U dont have to call - Usher

Senorita - Justin Timberlake

Lets Take a Ride - Justin Timberlake

Last Night - Justin Timberlake

nothing else - justin timberlake

Combine these with butterflies, break of dawn, heaven can wait, whatever happens and its a classic.

^ those are not justin's best songs on his first album, so I don't think they would have worked for mj

Forgot about "Rock Your Body"

Album could have looked like this

1. Rock Your Body

2. U Dont Have to Call

3. YRMW

4. Butterflies

5. Last Night

6. Heaven Can Wait

7. Lets Take a Ride

8. Break of Dawn

9. 2000 Watts

10. Whatever Happens

11. Dont Walk Away

12. Threatened

Now thats a classic

BabyBeMine said:

Forgot about "Rock Your Body"

Album could have looked like this

1. Rock Your Body

2. U Dont Have to Call

3. YRMW

4. Butterflies

5. Last Night

6. Heaven Can Wait

7. Lets Take a Ride

8. Break of Dawn

9. 2000 Watts

10. Whatever Happens

11. Dont Walk Away

12. Threatened

Now thats a classic

We don't know exactly what shape the tracks were in that the Neptunes presented and Michael rejected. Also you have to admit that the lyrical hooks in the JT tracks come a lot from JT's writing. Who knows what Michael could have done with the tracks - maybe worse, maybe better, it's a moot point.

Militant said:

BabyBeMine said:

What does Teddy Riley taxes got to do with anything? Many athletes in football, basketball, boxing and music have had this problem. It's nothing new and does not mean Riley is all about money.

And to diss him saying what has he done lately. Well part of that is MJ's decision which was the bad one to allow Rodney Jerkins to produce Invincible. Unbreakable, Heartbreaker, Invincible are all horrible overproduced tracks. Should have let Teddy Riley and Andre Harris produce the entire album instead.

It has plenty to do with it. It shows he needs the money, which gives him an agenda to lie about the fake songs. He needs the work. That much is obvious.

I wasn't dissing him by asking what he has done lately. As stated - I'm a fan. Much of Teddy's production in the 80's and early 90's is among some of my favorite music of all time. Rather, it was YOU that brought it up by asking what 3T are doing now. I was illustrating that while they may not be up to much - neither is Teddy. It's that simple.

As for Unbreakable, Heartbreaker and Invincible, I LOVE all those songs. As do MANY other fans. Please realise that not everyone shares your opinion here. All of those songs are about a million times better than the absolutely appalling "Shout", one of Michael's weakest songs ever, which MJ himself didn't think was even good enough to be more than a B-Side on the "Cry" CD single.... who produced Shout? Oh yeah, Teddy Riley did. So you see, again, it works both ways. You don't like Darkchild's productions in the Invincible era. But there's far more people that don't like "Shout", or Teddy's other track, "2000 Watts". I do agree with you regarding Andre Harris, though. He should have had some more tracks on there. I actually just found yesterday that him and his production partner Vidal just signed with new management who are friends of mine in the business. Dr. Freeze should also have had more tracks on the album. "Blue Gangster" should have replaced something like "2000 Watts", in my opinion.

That's no excuse. I haven't seen Teddy take a chance on a new artist in years. Instead, he does half-assed Guy and Blackstreet reunions every few years and now takes his mealticket from the MJ estate regardless of songs even being MJ! The guy is so fucking talented, but he doesn't utilize his talent effectively. He just drifts, like he has a sense of entitlement just because he did "Dangerous" 20 years ago and "Another Level" 15 years ago. That last Blackstreet album that came out a few years ago was absolutely diabolical.

"Heaven Can Wait" is a bonafide classic, for sure. Love that song. But let's bear in mind that Teddy wasn't the sole producer of that song. Andraeo "Fanatic" Heard and Nate Smith have co-production credits on that song. In the industry, that's usually a sign that it was mostly their ideas but they needed a big name to get the song heard and out there. Exactly what Timbaland did when he started working with Danja. Exactly what Darkchild did on Janet's last album when D'Mile was credited as co-producer, and Darkchild's ideas had "mysteriously" gotten a lot better all of a sudden

I'm not really a big fan of "2000 Watts" or "Whatever Happens", they are mediocre songs to me. Interesting how there aren't any other co-producers on those two songs, but "Heaven Can Wait" is generally regarded as a FAR superior track and does have other producers credited. Not really hard to see what happened there.

MJ is guilty of this as well thinking because a producer is fresh the i got to get him for my album. Had MJ had "hollywood tonight" tracks on invincible the album would have been a classic. The ballads were great, but no dance tracks.

So MJ chose a new and fresh producer in Jerkins and the 4 best tracks were

Butterflies

Break Of Dawn

Whatever Happens

Heaven Can Wait

Neither track was produced by the hot producer at the time Rodney Jerkins

[Edited 12/7/10 23:33pm]

Bringing up "Hollywood Tonight" isn't really valid because it wasn't even written until '07. Plus, again, Brad Buxer produced that one, and I would put money on it that the main chords and elements of the song came from him and Teddy just finished and updated it.

The 4 best songs to me on Invincible:

Unbreakable (Darkchild)

Break Of Dawn (Freeze)

Heaven Can Wait (Riley/Fanatic/Smith)

Butterflies (Harris)

And if I had to pick a 5th, I'd go with "You Rock My World" - another Darkchild production.

Would be interesting if everyone else here picked their 4 favorite songs from Invincible so we can get a balanced perspective.

I'm starting to dislike you Militant. You know too much and are right too often, not to mention you make sensible points that are put quite elequently and back them up. Most disagreeable!

I do how ever disagree with you on Whatever happens. I am quite a fan of that track, otherwise I think I've got your back on your track choices. As for the worst 2000 watts blows. I haven't listened to that song for years..

My 4 favourite Invincible tracks:

Invincible
You Rock My World
Speechless
The Lost Children.

Heartbreaker would have taken 'Childrens' place had it not been for the horrendous overproduction.

Its the Michael album I listen to the least. To me it feels like a contractual obligation. With every other album from OTW to HIStory you had a very definite vision of what Michael was trying to say, but Invincible feels lost and confused thanks to the production and the track order. I dont believe Michaels heart was really in this project.

BabyBeMine said:

What does Teddy Riley taxes got to do with anything? Many athletes in football, basketball, boxing and music have had this problem. It's nothing new and does not mean Riley is all about money.

And to diss him saying what has he done lately. Well part of that is MJ's decision which was the bad one to allow Rodney Jerkins to produce Invincible. Unbreakable, Heartbreaker, Invincible are all horrible overproduced tracks. Should have let Teddy Riley and Andre Harris produce the entire album instead.

Being away from the game could be to certain labels and singers wanting to go with new producers and assuming your sound is dated. Dr Freeze was away, but "Break Of Dawn" is better than those Jerkins tracks and so is Rileys "heaven can wait" and "whatever happens"

MJ is guilty of this as well thinking because a producer is fresh the i got to get him for my album. Had MJ had "hollywood tonight" tracks on invincible the album would have been a classic. The ballads were great, but no dance tracks.

So MJ chose a new and fresh producer in Jerkins and the 4 best tracks were

Butterflies

Break Of Dawn

Whatever Happens

Heaven Can Wait

Neither track was produced by the hot producer at the time Rodney Jerkins

[Edited 12/7/10 23:33pm]

Militant said:

BabyBeMine said:

What does Teddy Riley taxes got to do with anything? Many athletes in football, basketball, boxing and music have had this problem. It's nothing new and does not mean Riley is all about money.

And to diss him saying what has he done lately. Well part of that is MJ's decision which was the bad one to allow Rodney Jerkins to produce Invincible. Unbreakable, Heartbreaker, Invincible are all horrible overproduced tracks. Should have let Teddy Riley and Andre Harris produce the entire album instead.

It has plenty to do with it. It shows he needs the money, which gives him an agenda to lie about the fake songs. He needs the work. That much is obvious.

I wasn't dissing him by asking what he has done lately. As stated - I'm a fan. Much of Teddy's production in the 80's and early 90's is among some of my favorite music of all time. Rather, it was YOU that brought it up by asking what 3T are doing now. I was illustrating that while they may not be up to much - neither is Teddy. It's that simple.

As for Unbreakable, Heartbreaker and Invincible, I LOVE all those songs. As do MANY other fans. Please realise that not everyone shares your opinion here. All of those songs are about a million times better than the absolutely appalling "Shout", one of Michael's weakest songs ever, which MJ himself didn't think was even good enough to be more than a B-Side on the "Cry" CD single.... who produced Shout? Oh yeah, Teddy Riley did. So you see, again, it works both ways. You don't like Darkchild's productions in the Invincible era. But there's far more people that don't like "Shout", or Teddy's other track, "2000 Watts". I do agree with you regarding Andre Harris, though. He should have had some more tracks on there. I actually just found yesterday that him and his production partner Vidal just signed with new management who are friends of mine in the business. Dr. Freeze should also have had more tracks on the album. "Blue Gangster" should have replaced something like "2000 Watts", in my opinion.

That's no excuse. I haven't seen Teddy take a chance on a new artist in years. Instead, he does half-assed Guy and Blackstreet reunions every few years and now takes his mealticket from the MJ estate regardless of songs even being MJ! The guy is so fucking talented, but he doesn't utilize his talent effectively. He just drifts, like he has a sense of entitlement just because he did "Dangerous" 20 years ago and "Another Level" 15 years ago. That last Blackstreet album that came out a few years ago was absolutely diabolical.

"Heaven Can Wait" is a bonafide classic, for sure. Love that song. But let's bear in mind that Teddy wasn't the sole producer of that song. Andraeo "Fanatic" Heard and Nate Smith have co-production credits on that song. In the industry, that's usually a sign that it was mostly their ideas but they needed a big name to get the song heard and out there. Exactly what Timbaland did when he started working with Danja. Exactly what Darkchild did on Janet's last album when D'Mile was credited as co-producer, and Darkchild's ideas had "mysteriously" gotten a lot better all of a sudden

I'm not really a big fan of "2000 Watts" or "Whatever Happens", they are mediocre songs to me. Interesting how there aren't any other co-producers on those two songs, but "Heaven Can Wait" is generally regarded as a FAR superior track and does have other producers credited. Not really hard to see what happened there.

MJ is guilty of this as well thinking because a producer is fresh the i got to get him for my album. Had MJ had "hollywood tonight" tracks on invincible the album would have been a classic. The ballads were great, but no dance tracks.

So MJ chose a new and fresh producer in Jerkins and the 4 best tracks were

Butterflies

Break Of Dawn

Whatever Happens

Heaven Can Wait

Neither track was produced by the hot producer at the time Rodney Jerkins

[Edited 12/7/10 23:33pm]

Bringing up "Hollywood Tonight" isn't really valid because it wasn't even written until '07. Plus, again, Brad Buxer produced that one, and I would put money on it that the main chords and elements of the song came from him and Teddy just finished and updated it.

The 4 best songs to me on Invincible:

Unbreakable (Darkchild)

Break Of Dawn (Freeze)

Heaven Can Wait (Riley/Fanatic/Smith)

Butterflies (Harris)

And if I had to pick a 5th, I'd go with "You Rock My World" - another Darkchild production.

Would be interesting if everyone else here picked their 4 favorite songs from Invincible so we can get a balanced perspective.

Dunno if this was posted,but............

WaterInYourBath said:

So I watched that MJ feature on Oprah yesterday, and after evaluating it thoroughly, now I believe I've figured out who is singing in "Keep Your Head Up," "Breaking News," and "Monster." It's not Jason Malachi. It's EDDIE CASCIO.....

That's exactly what my little sister said to me while we were watching Oprah!

BabyBeMine said:

MJ should have accepted those Neptunes tracks which were

U dont have to call - Usher

Senorita - Justin Timberlake

Lets Take a Ride - Justin Timberlake

Last Night - Justin Timberlake

nothing else - justin timberlake

Combine these with butterflies, break of dawn, heaven can wait, whatever happens and its a classic.

Fail

Why you wanted MJ to accept those already forgotten wackass songs , especially Senorita , Justin wasn't enough singing those floppy songs for you......play his album non-stop , MJ didnt have to accept rubbish

Take That And Michael Jackson Battle For Christmas Number One

Take That and Michael Jackson are set to do battle in the race to top this year's Christmas album chart.

The boy band are currently at number one with 'Progress', but the odds have shortened on Jackson claiming a posthumous chart hit with new album 'Michael'.

Released this month, the LP includes collaborations with the likes of Akon, Lenny Kravitz and 50 Cent, and was finished after the star's death.

Take That are currently 4/7 favourites to beat Jackson (7/4) to the top of the Christmas album chart.

“t will take a very big name to knock Take That off the number one spot but Michael Jackson could do it from beyond the grave, assuming of course that it is Michael Jackson singing on the album," said William Hill spokesman Rupert Adams.

Take That's 'Progress', which is the group's first album in fifteen years to feature Robbie Williams, is currently spending its third week at number one.

http://www.gigwise.com/ne...Number-One

Is it me,or is the beatboxing in "Hollywood Tonight" and the beatboxing in "Who Is It" almost identical?

CPest1 said:

I'm starting to dislike you Militant. You know too much and are right too often, not to mention you make sensible points that are put quite elequently and back them up. Most disagreeable!

Look what just showed up from Amazon!

Will post my thoughts on the "Vocals & Orchestra Mix" and the Alternate mix after I listen.

Militant said:

Look what just showed up from Amazon!

Will post my thoughts on the "Vocals & Orchestra Mix" and the Alternate mix after I listen.

Ah, nice. I need to get this also.

So, the "Vocals & Orchestra Version" is the exact same song without the drums and with the strings turned up a little in the mix. Sounds like it took about 10 seconds to mute the drum tracks and boost the strings a bit, then re-render the master file. Still, it's fairly enjoyable to listen to.

The "Alternate Mix" again, all the same elements, but just mixed differently. The drums are lower in the mix, as are the strings. The piano is the loudest element in the mix in this one. The vocals are actually slightly clearer in this version. I can hear more percussion on the chorus actually. Here's how I'd sum it up - the album mix is mixed in a more contemporary R&B style, whereas the alternate mix leans more towards pop music. Backing vocals are louder too.

mozfonky said:

mozfonky said:

good one, let's call orca

and I just noticed, the cascio guy pronouned button, bu-ins, leaving out the t's in breaking news we hear "mike" sing everybody wa-ing a piece of Michael jackson, that was just one of the red flags to me. This asshole probably worked 24/7 to get michael down as good as possible and he did good, but the cracks show.

THIS!

I swear I thought I was the only one that noticed that! Eddie said "buh-ins" and "cur-ins" during that interview...Then in Breaking News, I'm hearing "wah-in" a piece of Michael Jackson. At the end of the day, that STILL aint MJ on that record

And WHY did Teddy say the vocals on Breaking News is MJ? Didn't he say it didn't sound like him when the record first leaked?

Also, listening to Behind The Mask and does anyone notice during the end, they incorporate the "HEEE HEEE! OWWW!" from the WBSS performance from the Dangerous DVD?

[Edited 12/8/10 10:59am]

murph said:

The voice of reason......

There is no 'voice of reason'anywhere in that post, it's just an opinion that both of you happen to share. That's it and that's all it will be.

ViintageJunkiie said:

mozfonky said:

and I just noticed, the cascio guy pronouned button, bu-ins, leaving out the t's in breaking news we hear "mike" sing everybody wa-ing a piece of Michael jackson, that was just one of the red flags to me. This asshole probably worked 24/7 to get michael down as good as possible and he did good, but the cracks show.

THIS!

I swear I thought I was the only one that noticed that! Eddie said "buh-ins" and "cur-ins" during that interview...Then in Breaking News, I'm hearing "wah-in" a piece of Michael Jackson. At the end of the day, that STILL aint MJ on that record

And WHY did Teddy say the vocals on Breaking News is MJ? Didn't he say it didn't sound like him when the record first leaked?

Also, listening to Behind The Mask and does anyone notice during the end, they incorporate the "HEEE HEEE! OWWW!" from the WBSS performance from the Dangerous DVD?

[Edited 12/8/10 10:59am]

Yup,that and "How you doiiin?" !

ali23 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

THIS!

I swear I thought I was the only one that noticed that! Eddie said "buh-ins" and "cur-ins" during that interview...Then in Breaking News, I'm hearing "wah-in" a piece of Michael Jackson. At the end of the day, that STILL aint MJ on that record

And WHY did Teddy say the vocals on Breaking News is MJ? Didn't he say it didn't sound like him when the record first leaked?

Also, listening to Behind The Mask and does anyone notice during the end, they incorporate the "HEEE HEEE! OWWW!" from the WBSS performance from the Dangerous DVD?

[Edited 12/8/10 10:59am]

Yup,that and "How you doiiin?" !

That too! I dont like it tho .. How can you throw a 1993 performance in a 1982 song?

Unholyalliance said:

murph said:

The voice of reason......

There is no 'voice of reason'anywhere in that post, it's just an opinion that both of you happen to share. That's it and that's all it will be.

Exactly

mozfonky said:

mozfonky said:

good one, let's call orca

and I just noticed, the cascio guy pronouned button,bu-ins, leaving out the t's in breaking news we hear "mike" sing everybody wa-ing a piece of Michael jackson, that was just one of the red flags to me. This asshole probably worked 24/7 to get michael down as good as possible and he did good, but the cracks show.

That's right. I'd been waiting to hear those guys talk with Oprah, just to hear the tonality of their voices, and my expectation seems validated: Eddie's speaking voice is extremely similar to the vocals in the fraudulent tracks....I can't even listen to them now without picturing his face. I'm sure he's been [poorly] impersonating MJ's singing style for years, and most likely recorded those songs as demos for Michael, but MJ never got the chance to start working on them, or maybe wasn't even interested. Either way, that's Eddie singing. Can't convince me otherwise.

Further point for BabyBeMine - you've mentioned on a number of occasions how it's important for Michael to be played on radio stations that are dominated by hip-hop, etc etc.

Yet - you also say you hate "Unbreakable" - a song that was 100% inspired and influenced by The Notorious BIG's song "Unbelievable". That's why they added Biggie's vocals to the MJ song, because it was essentially a tribute to him. The main riff on "Unbreakable" was a re-working of "Unbelievable", produced by DJ Premier, a hip-hop clasic.

For anyone that was unaware:

Your two points are contradictory from where I'm standing.

mozfonky said:

When Bruce Lee died, Warner Bros. went to great lengths to finish the crappy film, "Game of Death" it was a complete ripoff, Bruce had some great fight scenes in the can but nothing else, the storyline was even based on him faking his death, horrible. Sadly, some of the people who worked with him and/or were close to him also took part in this debacle. Only parts worth watching were the fight scenes but at least no one tried to actually say the actor was bruce. Greed turns my stomach.

I mentioned that about 25 threads ago last year, lol. This "Michael" album is exactly like Game of Death I and II. Instead of leaving their unfinished projects alone, and just show the world the little authentic footage that is available, so-called "friends" decide to horrifyingly "complete" the work with ludicrous impersonators and inane concepts. And like you said, the first rip of Game of Death by Robert Clouse is extremely awful. A total tragedy. When I first saw it I couldn't believe he got this guy who looked nothing like Bruce to take on the role, and then allowed clips from Bruce's other films and literal cardboard-looking cut out photos of Bruce's face to be used to make it seem like he was really in the movie. I bet Cascio watched Game of Death I before he patchworked "Breaking News" together, lol.

Like I suggested about Michael's incomplete songs awhile ago, with the Estate just compiling them on an album as he left them, Linda Lee Cadwell (Bruce's wife) allowed the master film of the original Game of Death to be released in a documentary 9 years ago, which is about 40 minutes of finished scenes Bruce did for the movie, but is not the entire film. It's very sad, since the footage ends with Bruce walking down the stairs of the pagoda in pain, suddenly stopping and fading to darkness, but the incomplete storyline is amazingly excellent, and the effect is 100 TIMES greater and way more meaningful than both of those mockery films released in '78 and '81. It allows you to see what Bruce was trying to do, rather than any interpretations from outside sources. I think the same should be done for Michael's demos/outtakes.