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Reply #600 posted 12/05/10 9:14pm

BabyBeMine

One thing that is 100% true is in the USA pop artist are now hiring Hip Hop producers to produce there albums. Why? Because its dominated Billboard for years now. This is true.

They want the hip beats because this is whats bumpin in the clubs. How many clubs play pop music these days. Majority is s singer with a hip hop beat or rap.

Also the critic i provided. Dude actually reviewed the album and and you can tell by his review. The other review above, its like they didnt even listen to the album Where's the track by track Review?

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Reply #601 posted 12/05/10 9:22pm

Timmy84

As an American who has basically been disappointed by the American music market in the past ten years, I politely say this:


FUCK AMERICA.

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Reply #602 posted 12/05/10 9:27pm

Unholyalliance

Timmy84 said:

As an American who has basically been disappointed by the American music market in the past ten years, I politely say this:


FUCK AMERICA.

You know, since the late 90s I had, completely, abandoned a lot of American music and focused on getting music from everywhere else in the world. I found a lot of awesome music during that time and still am.

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Reply #603 posted 12/05/10 9:32pm

BabyBeMine

Good points. You got to admit, MJ jumped on that bandwagon as well with the popular producers. Had MJ not passed away he would have had every popular producer and artist on this album thats considered hot right now.

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Reply #604 posted 12/05/10 10:03pm

Unholyalliance

BabyBeMine said:

Good points. You got to admit, MJ jumped on that bandwagon as well with the popular producers. Had MJ not passed away he would have had every popular producer and artist on this album thats considered hot right now.

Funny, I was on another board reading a discussion about how some black acts, when they get older, seem to disappear from the public eye all together. Me, myself, had wondered what had happened to a lot of acts I used to enjoy when I was younger. I hear about them here now and again, but no one seems to talk about them. You rarely see them featured anywhere except when they do something to get themselves in trouble or if they are in jail. I mean every now and then I'll hear about something Bon Jovi is up to or the whatnot, yet...where did En Vogue go? It's as if they vanished into thin air. Many times, though, it seems to be of their own doing.

It got me to thinking about how a lot of people criticized MJ for jumping on every hot producer that came to town. Then it got me to thinking about how people called him out for 'chasing hits.' Then...I wondered...what if he hadn't? What if he had stayed with Quincy afterwards and forever? I think...people still would have been criticized him for trying to keep up with music trends, because that's what he did all his solo career no? I always thought he did this as to not drop out of sight like so many other artists have and done. Isn't this one of the things that Madonna is revered for? I guess for some people that equates to being a sell out, but I always found it one thing to immerse yourself, fully, into new trends to the point that you lose your voice as an artist, rather than to try and incorporate it, successfully, into your own art. A way where you don't lose your own voice, but you are not alienating any one.

Maybe I am wrong about this. =/

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Reply #605 posted 12/05/10 11:22pm

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BabyBeMine said:

Here's another Review

This past Friday I listened to Michael Jackson's highly-anticipated posthumous album, Michael, which is expected to hit stores in the U.S. on December 14th. I had many questions going in, not only about the music itself, but the process. How were the tracks selected? How much were they altered or embellished? And what was the end result?

Posthumous works are notoriously tricky. There are essentially two philosophical approaches: 1) present the material basically as it was found; or, 2) try to complete the artist's vision based on instructions and/or intuition. Either way comes with its own unique challenges and complications.

For the 2009 documentary, This Is It, the Estate of Michael Jackson opted for the first approach. Audiences around the world witnessed the raw rehearsals of what would have been an unprecedented concert spectacle. At the time, some complained that Jackson wouldn't have wanted people to see anything but the final, finished result. He was a perfectionist who gave everything to a performance; in the footage, however, he was often conserving his voice, marking his dance steps, and correcting mistakes. Yet there was something undeniably riveting and enlightening about watching the artist at work. It was tragic, of course, that his full vision was never realized. But for many viewers it humanized the singer, even as it showcased his extraordinary talent.

With this first posthumous album, however, a different approach was taken. All of the songs were completed within the past year by various collaborators and caretakers--ranging from Teddy Riley to Neff-U to Estate co-executor John McClain. Michael, his Estate said, left a "roadmap" behind, and they felt an obligation to finish what he had started. It was a risky decision that has caused a severe backlash amongst many of Jackson's core fans. A similar controversy resulted in 1995, when Paul, George and Ringo "finished" two John Lennon tracks ("Free as a Bird" and "Real Love") under the banner of the Beatles. For some fans, it could never be an "authentic" Beatles track without Lennon's full participation. Similarly, no matter how closely Akon, Lenny Kravitz and others worked with Jackson, could they ever fully intuit what he would have wanted on a given track?

In some cases, Jackson did indeed leave very specific notes and instructions. It is also well-known to those familiar with his artistic process that he frequently returned to tracks from previous album sessions and updated them. Versions of "Blood on the Dance Floor," "They Don't Care About Us," and "Earth Song," for example, were all originally recorded during the Dangerous sessions; but Jackson continued to tinker with each of these songs for years until he felt they were ready. A Michael Jackson song was never final until it made an official studio album.

This return-treatment is essentially what his collaborators have attempted on Michael. They wanted to make these tracks as fresh, vibrant and relevant as possible, believing that this is what Jackson would have wanted as well. Of course, in the end, since none of them are Michael Jackson, the best they could do is approximate. The album, then, is a hybrid creation. At times it feels truly inspired and very close to what Michael himself would have done; at other times, it feels a bit more like a tribute, similar to the remixes on Thriller 25.

Much of this probably won't even register to the average listener, who will simply listen to the music and decide whether they like it or not.

But because Michael Jackson is one of the most important artists of the past century the question of how much to modify the work he left behind is a very serious one. As amazing as the new version of "Behind the Mask" sounds, for example, it isn't the version Michael last worked on in the early 1980s. If for no other reason than documenting history, then, it would seem worthwhile to release the originals/demos as well (perhaps as bonus tracks or a supplementary album), even if they aren't perfectly polished or updated.

With that preface in place, I proceed to my review of the actual album, which, on the whole, really is an exciting and enjoyable listening experience. Indeed, for all the controversy about its authenticity, going through the album song by song, Jackson's presence is undeniable. His habits, his obsessions, his versatility, and his genius are on display at every turn.

Who else could move so seamlessly from social anthem to floor burner, fleet hip hop to cosmic rock, vintage funk to poignant folk ballad? Who besides Michael Jackson would follow a tender love song with a trenchant critique of the media? An uplifting gospel tune with a ferocious polemic on the monstrosity of Hollywood culture?

This, ultimately, is the most important quality of Michael: it feels like Michael.

The Estate and Sony should be given credit for retaining much of Jackson's edginess and eclecticism where they could have easily opted for a more traditional lineup. (For all the uproar over "Breaking News," I thought it was a pretty bold statement out of the gate in terms of its lyrical target.)

The album also contains some nice, visceral touches, including Jackson's incredibly dynamic beatboxing (displayed most prominently on "Hollywood Tonight"), and a phone message introduction to "(I Like) The Way You Love Me," in which Jackson explains the composition of the song to longtime collaborator, Brad Buxer. The point of these examples is that Jackson the artist and person doesn't get swallowed in "over-production," as some have feared. In spite of its limitations, from opening line ("This life don't last forever...") to closing ("I guess I learned my lesson much too soon") a very intimate, authentic, humanizing picture evolves.

Below, is my song-by-song breakdown of the album:

Hold My Hand

Simple, but powerful love song turned social anthem. Since I already reviewed this, I will just point to the link. I'm actually stunned this isn't charting better in the U.S., but maybe that will change when the video premiers and the holidays draw closer.

Hollywood Tonight

Definitely an album highlight. The song begins with a haunting Gothic church choir, before transforming into an energetic dance stomper. I'm not too keen on the spoken parts (performed by nephew, Taryll Jackson), but clearly there were places in the song Michael hadn't filled yet. The track features Michael in a notably deeper voice, and concludes with military-style whistling. As Ellen displayed on her show last week, the song will get people up and moving.

Keep Your Head Up

Narrates the life of an ordinary woman "looking for the hope in the empty promises." The song is well-suited to the current economic climate and will likely resonate with many listeners. The back half of the song offers a classic MJ crescendo, with the gospel choir providing the lift and communal strength the woman needs to keep going. (Fans will be happy to know the "Earth Song" ad libs heard on a leaked version of the track were removed.)

(I Like) The Way You Love Me

Great new production by Neff-U that was being actively discussed and transformed with Michael in Los Angeles (the original demo appeared on the 2004 boxed set, Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection). The new version retains all of the charm of the original while injecting some fresh elements, including new piano, bass, strings, and vocal effects.

Monster

A blistering rhythm track that probably hits harder than any song on the album. Features a rap solo by 50 Cent, guitar work by Orianthi, and excellent production by Teddy Riley. As Jackson holds a mirror up to society, asking us to observe the distorted reflection, I couldn't help but picture the horrifying scene of paparazzi shoving their cameras up against the ambulance carrying him to the hospital. "Everywhere you seem to turn there's a monster," he sings. "Paparazzi got you scared like a monster." Some reviewers continue to dismiss songs like this as petty "ranting" and "paranoia," but this is some deft social criticism for those who look beyond the surface. It has all the makings of a hit single.

Best of Joy

A breezy mid-tempo ballad, Jackson's falsetto is as effortless as ever as he sings promises to a loved one. Recorded in Los Angeles in 2009, this was one of his final recordings, and he still sounds fantastic.

Breaking News

The song will likely be forever-linked to the controversy surrounding its vocals. Yet in spite of the backlash, the content of the song is classic Michael Jackson, following in the tradition of anti-media tracks like "Leave Me Alone, "Tabloid Junkie," and "Privacy." The repeated use of the name, "Michael Jackson," highlights the way his name has been objectified--it is simply a media construct, a "boogieman," that the real Michael feels detached from. The exaggerated way the name is uttered humorously mocks the way the media exploits him for sensational effect. While the strength and clarity of the vocals clearly aren't up to Jackson's standards, the song itself is quite good. The harmonized chorus is catchy and memorable. Teddy Riley gives the song a fresh but faithful sheen. One can easily imagine the song as an outtake from the Dangerous or HIStory sessions.

(I Can't Make It) Another Day

Originally recorded by Jackson and Lenny Kravitz in 1999 at the legendary Marvin's Room Studio, the track has Michael summoning a cosmic power over a rugged, industrial funk beat and a soaring chorus. This is an example, however, of the new version sounding more like a Kravitz tribute to Jackson, rather than a Jackson track. In the original, Jackson's vocals are less overwhelmed by the drums and guitar, allowing him to convey the full mystery and wonder of the lyrics. Kravitz's update isn't too different, but enough to change the feel of the song. It still rocks, but in a different way than the original.

Behind the Mask

"Behind the Mask" was originally intended for Thriller, but left off reportedly because of a song credit dispute. It was later covered by Jackson's keyboardist Greg Phillinganes as well as Eric Clapton. Had Jackson released it in 1982, the quirky Yellow Magic Orchestra adaptation likely would have been a big hit. Estate executor John McClain updates it skillfully in this new version, making it sound brand new and retro at the same time. It is definitely one of the highlights of the album. Still, many fans will likely be anxious to hear those classic sheets of synth and 80s production on the original demo. Modernizing the production does make it fit better with the album, though it's unclear if Jackson himself planned to update the track.

Much Too Soon

An excellent choice to end the album, "Much Too Soon" showcases Jackson's ability as a singer-songwriter to magnificent effect. An exquisite expression of loss and yearning, it stands should-to-shoulder with some of the best folk ballads of The Carpenters and The Beatles. The lyrics almost read like a W.B. Yeats poem.

The track was first written by Jackson in 1981 and revisited multiple times over the years. The vocal on this version was recorded in 1994 at The Hit Factory during the HIStory sessions. It was originally engineered and mixed by Bruce Swedien (this version leaked online a couple weeks ago); the album version, featuring more prominent accordion and strings, was re-produced for the Michael album by estate co-executor John McClain.

In the song, a forlorn Jackson, accompanied by the subtle acoustic guitar work of Tommy Emmanuel, sings about being separated from a loved one "much too soon." The bridge features a harmonica solo that highlights the song's folk-blues essence, before Jackson returns with a final verse about "never letting fate control [his] soul." It is a beautiful, bittersweet song that perfectly balances hope and regret, loneliness and the desire for reconciliation. For all Jackson's superstardom, "Much Too Soon" reminds that behind the media construct was a human being.

Conclusion:

Call it a collage, an approximation, or a tribute. Or call it, as many of Michael's collaborators have: "a labor of love." That sentiment certainly shines through on the record. Yet obviously, this is not the exact album Jackson would have created. For a variety of reasons, many tracks that Jackson was working on during his final years aren't on the tracklist (including those with will.i.am). In addition, the vocals, particularly on a couple of the "Cascio tracks," don't always measure up to Jackson's typical strength and vitality, leading some to label them as "fake." Until a forensic analysis or some other concrete evidence proves otherwise that conspiracy theory doesn't hold up for me--especially after hearing the final album versions on very good speakers. But occasionally, the creative liberties taken do seem questionable, or at the very least, unexplained. For the purists (myself included), it would be nice, in addition to the current album versions, to have some of these songs in the form they were found--just as it was nice to see Michael un-mediated in This Is It.

But the bottom line is this: Michael contains some very impressive new material. One job of Jackson's Estate is to extend his legacy to new generations of listeners and this album will likely accomplish that. At ten songs, it is a tight, diverse almost 80s-esque LP--which also means fans have many more songs in the vaults to look forward to. In the meantime, songs like "Hollywood Tonight," "Monster," "Behind the Mask," and "Much Too Soon" make excellent additions to an already legendary catalog.

© Joseph Vogel

http://www.huffingtonpost...91987.html

Vogel is writing a Estate approved book titled "The Man In The Music", which I'm waiting for biggrin

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #606 posted 12/05/10 11:32pm

SherryJackson

Timmy84 said:

As an American who has basically been disappointed by the American music market in the past ten years, I politely say this:


FUCK AMERICA.

Oooh, a dissident! cool lol

How you think it is...me living in Canada? Be thankful you at least have something. I"m not impressed with the Canadian music scene nowadays. And MJ merchandise and albums? Hard to find...I drive all over the damn province to get my MJ fix.

Aah, the life of a Canadian fan. lol

Proud to be Canadian. biggrin

[Edited 12/5/10 23:33pm]

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Reply #607 posted 12/06/10 12:48am

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Reply #608 posted 12/06/10 1:48am

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BabyBeMine said:

Reviews are overated and depend on the taste of that particular critic. If he/she prefers pop/rock style music than a mid tempo r&b jam is gonna be mushy and weak to them. If your a r&b/hip hop critic its gonna sound hot. I remember pop critics saying Butterflies was weak. Well thats because there not in to r&b.

Id like to read some reviews from r&b and hip hop critics.

Past 10 years its dominated Billboard anyway. This is why guys like Justin Timerlake hired the Neptunes because he knew this si whats hot in the USA.

I also remember Thriller getting bad reviews

Much like the opinions of posters.

I know on each album there are songs that I cringe on that others love - and i'm cool with that as long as people can eloquently critique and are open to having their opinion changed. I love hearing what others love about a song because if I'm not feeling it then it gets me to go back and maybe hear it with fresh ears.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
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Reply #609 posted 12/06/10 1:53am

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4 days til it is released in Australia!!!!

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
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Reply #610 posted 12/06/10 2:10am

Superstition

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bboy87 said:

BabyBeMine said:

Here's another Review

This past Friday I listened to Michael Jackson's highly-anticipated posthumous album, Michael, which is expected to hit stores in the U.S. on December 14th. I had many questions going in, not only about the music itself, but the process. How were the tracks selected? How much were they altered or embellished? And what was the end result?

Posthumous works are notoriously tricky. There are essentially two philosophical approaches: 1) present the material basically as it was found; or, 2) try to complete the artist's vision based on instructions and/or intuition. Either way comes with its own unique challenges and complications.

For the 2009 documentary, This Is It, the Estate of Michael Jackson opted for the first approach. Audiences around the world witnessed the raw rehearsals of what would have been an unprecedented concert spectacle. At the time, some complained that Jackson wouldn't have wanted people to see anything but the final, finished result. He was a perfectionist who gave everything to a performance; in the footage, however, he was often conserving his voice, marking his dance steps, and correcting mistakes. Yet there was something undeniably riveting and enlightening about watching the artist at work. It was tragic, of course, that his full vision was never realized. But for many viewers it humanized the singer, even as it showcased his extraordinary talent.

With this first posthumous album, however, a different approach was taken. All of the songs were completed within the past year by various collaborators and caretakers--ranging from Teddy Riley to Neff-U to Estate co-executor John McClain. Michael, his Estate said, left a "roadmap" behind, and they felt an obligation to finish what he had started. It was a risky decision that has caused a severe backlash amongst many of Jackson's core fans. A similar controversy resulted in 1995, when Paul, George and Ringo "finished" two John Lennon tracks ("Free as a Bird" and "Real Love") under the banner of the Beatles. For some fans, it could never be an "authentic" Beatles track without Lennon's full participation. Similarly, no matter how closely Akon, Lenny Kravitz and others worked with Jackson, could they ever fully intuit what he would have wanted on a given track?

In some cases, Jackson did indeed leave very specific notes and instructions. It is also well-known to those familiar with his artistic process that he frequently returned to tracks from previous album sessions and updated them. Versions of "Blood on the Dance Floor," "They Don't Care About Us," and "Earth Song," for example, were all originally recorded during the Dangerous sessions; but Jackson continued to tinker with each of these songs for years until he felt they were ready. A Michael Jackson song was never final until it made an official studio album.

This return-treatment is essentially what his collaborators have attempted on Michael. They wanted to make these tracks as fresh, vibrant and relevant as possible, believing that this is what Jackson would have wanted as well. Of course, in the end, since none of them are Michael Jackson, the best they could do is approximate. The album, then, is a hybrid creation. At times it feels truly inspired and very close to what Michael himself would have done; at other times, it feels a bit more like a tribute, similar to the remixes on Thriller 25.

Much of this probably won't even register to the average listener, who will simply listen to the music and decide whether they like it or not.

But because Michael Jackson is one of the most important artists of the past century the question of how much to modify the work he left behind is a very serious one. As amazing as the new version of "Behind the Mask" sounds, for example, it isn't the version Michael last worked on in the early 1980s. If for no other reason than documenting history, then, it would seem worthwhile to release the originals/demos as well (perhaps as bonus tracks or a supplementary album), even if they aren't perfectly polished or updated.

With that preface in place, I proceed to my review of the actual album, which, on the whole, really is an exciting and enjoyable listening experience. Indeed, for all the controversy about its authenticity, going through the album song by song, Jackson's presence is undeniable. His habits, his obsessions, his versatility, and his genius are on display at every turn.

Who else could move so seamlessly from social anthem to floor burner, fleet hip hop to cosmic rock, vintage funk to poignant folk ballad? Who besides Michael Jackson would follow a tender love song with a trenchant critique of the media? An uplifting gospel tune with a ferocious polemic on the monstrosity of Hollywood culture?

This, ultimately, is the most important quality of Michael: it feels like Michael.

The Estate and Sony should be given credit for retaining much of Jackson's edginess and eclecticism where they could have easily opted for a more traditional lineup. (For all the uproar over "Breaking News," I thought it was a pretty bold statement out of the gate in terms of its lyrical target.)

The album also contains some nice, visceral touches, including Jackson's incredibly dynamic beatboxing (displayed most prominently on "Hollywood Tonight"), and a phone message introduction to "(I Like) The Way You Love Me," in which Jackson explains the composition of the song to longtime collaborator, Brad Buxer. The point of these examples is that Jackson the artist and person doesn't get swallowed in "over-production," as some have feared. In spite of its limitations, from opening line ("This life don't last forever...") to closing ("I guess I learned my lesson much too soon") a very intimate, authentic, humanizing picture evolves.

Below, is my song-by-song breakdown of the album:

Hold My Hand

Simple, but powerful love song turned social anthem. Since I already reviewed this, I will just point to the link. I'm actually stunned this isn't charting better in the U.S., but maybe that will change when the video premiers and the holidays draw closer.

Hollywood Tonight

Definitely an album highlight. The song begins with a haunting Gothic church choir, before transforming into an energetic dance stomper. I'm not too keen on the spoken parts (performed by nephew, Taryll Jackson), but clearly there were places in the song Michael hadn't filled yet. The track features Michael in a notably deeper voice, and concludes with military-style whistling. As Ellen displayed on her show last week, the song will get people up and moving.

Keep Your Head Up

Narrates the life of an ordinary woman "looking for the hope in the empty promises." The song is well-suited to the current economic climate and will likely resonate with many listeners. The back half of the song offers a classic MJ crescendo, with the gospel choir providing the lift and communal strength the woman needs to keep going. (Fans will be happy to know the "Earth Song" ad libs heard on a leaked version of the track were removed.)

(I Like) The Way You Love Me

Great new production by Neff-U that was being actively discussed and transformed with Michael in Los Angeles (the original demo appeared on the 2004 boxed set, Michael Jackson: The Ultimate Collection). The new version retains all of the charm of the original while injecting some fresh elements, including new piano, bass, strings, and vocal effects.

Monster

A blistering rhythm track that probably hits harder than any song on the album. Features a rap solo by 50 Cent, guitar work by Orianthi, and excellent production by Teddy Riley. As Jackson holds a mirror up to society, asking us to observe the distorted reflection, I couldn't help but picture the horrifying scene of paparazzi shoving their cameras up against the ambulance carrying him to the hospital. "Everywhere you seem to turn there's a monster," he sings. "Paparazzi got you scared like a monster." Some reviewers continue to dismiss songs like this as petty "ranting" and "paranoia," but this is some deft social criticism for those who look beyond the surface. It has all the makings of a hit single.

Best of Joy

A breezy mid-tempo ballad, Jackson's falsetto is as effortless as ever as he sings promises to a loved one. Recorded in Los Angeles in 2009, this was one of his final recordings, and he still sounds fantastic.

Breaking News

The song will likely be forever-linked to the controversy surrounding its vocals. Yet in spite of the backlash, the content of the song is classic Michael Jackson, following in the tradition of anti-media tracks like "Leave Me Alone, "Tabloid Junkie," and "Privacy." The repeated use of the name, "Michael Jackson," highlights the way his name has been objectified--it is simply a media construct, a "boogieman," that the real Michael feels detached from. The exaggerated way the name is uttered humorously mocks the way the media exploits him for sensational effect. While the strength and clarity of the vocals clearly aren't up to Jackson's standards, the song itself is quite good. The harmonized chorus is catchy and memorable. Teddy Riley gives the song a fresh but faithful sheen. One can easily imagine the song as an outtake from the Dangerous or HIStory sessions.

(I Can't Make It) Another Day

Originally recorded by Jackson and Lenny Kravitz in 1999 at the legendary Marvin's Room Studio, the track has Michael summoning a cosmic power over a rugged, industrial funk beat and a soaring chorus. This is an example, however, of the new version sounding more like a Kravitz tribute to Jackson, rather than a Jackson track. In the original, Jackson's vocals are less overwhelmed by the drums and guitar, allowing him to convey the full mystery and wonder of the lyrics. Kravitz's update isn't too different, but enough to change the feel of the song. It still rocks, but in a different way than the original.

Behind the Mask

"Behind the Mask" was originally intended for Thriller, but left off reportedly because of a song credit dispute. It was later covered by Jackson's keyboardist Greg Phillinganes as well as Eric Clapton. Had Jackson released it in 1982, the quirky Yellow Magic Orchestra adaptation likely would have been a big hit. Estate executor John McClain updates it skillfully in this new version, making it sound brand new and retro at the same time. It is definitely one of the highlights of the album. Still, many fans will likely be anxious to hear those classic sheets of synth and 80s production on the original demo. Modernizing the production does make it fit better with the album, though it's unclear if Jackson himself planned to update the track.

Much Too Soon

An excellent choice to end the album, "Much Too Soon" showcases Jackson's ability as a singer-songwriter to magnificent effect. An exquisite expression of loss and yearning, it stands should-to-shoulder with some of the best folk ballads of The Carpenters and The Beatles. The lyrics almost read like a W.B. Yeats poem.

The track was first written by Jackson in 1981 and revisited multiple times over the years. The vocal on this version was recorded in 1994 at The Hit Factory during the HIStory sessions. It was originally engineered and mixed by Bruce Swedien (this version leaked online a couple weeks ago); the album version, featuring more prominent accordion and strings, was re-produced for the Michael album by estate co-executor John McClain.

In the song, a forlorn Jackson, accompanied by the subtle acoustic guitar work of Tommy Emmanuel, sings about being separated from a loved one "much too soon." The bridge features a harmonica solo that highlights the song's folk-blues essence, before Jackson returns with a final verse about "never letting fate control [his] soul." It is a beautiful, bittersweet song that perfectly balances hope and regret, loneliness and the desire for reconciliation. For all Jackson's superstardom, "Much Too Soon" reminds that behind the media construct was a human being.

Conclusion:

Call it a collage, an approximation, or a tribute. Or call it, as many of Michael's collaborators have: "a labor of love." That sentiment certainly shines through on the record. Yet obviously, this is not the exact album Jackson would have created. For a variety of reasons, many tracks that Jackson was working on during his final years aren't on the tracklist (including those with will.i.am). In addition, the vocals, particularly on a couple of the "Cascio tracks," don't always measure up to Jackson's typical strength and vitality, leading some to label them as "fake." Until a forensic analysis or some other concrete evidence proves otherwise that conspiracy theory doesn't hold up for me--especially after hearing the final album versions on very good speakers. But occasionally, the creative liberties taken do seem questionable, or at the very least, unexplained. For the purists (myself included), it would be nice, in addition to the current album versions, to have some of these songs in the form they were found--just as it was nice to see Michael un-mediated in This Is It.

But the bottom line is this: Michael contains some very impressive new material. One job of Jackson's Estate is to extend his legacy to new generations of listeners and this album will likely accomplish that. At ten songs, it is a tight, diverse almost 80s-esque LP--which also means fans have many more songs in the vaults to look forward to. In the meantime, songs like "Hollywood Tonight," "Monster," "Behind the Mask," and "Much Too Soon" make excellent additions to an already legendary catalog.

© Joseph Vogel

http://www.huffingtonpost...91987.html

Vogel is writing a Estate approved book titled "The Man In The Music", which I'm waiting for biggrin

Given my personal opinion on some of the tracks, coupled with the fact that this book is estate-approved, I'm going to have to take a pass. Maybe I'll read Bruce's book since I haven't taken a look at that yet.

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Reply #611 posted 12/06/10 3:25am

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ali23 said:

Bret Ratner was interviewed by Dian Hanson and in the article he talks about his upbringing how he was born in 1969 in Miami Beach he was raised by his mom, grandparents, and great grandmother. He stated he did not have a father around, but he had his grandfather and a guy by the name of Al Malnick ( HA!) who was an incredible role model and father figure.

The article continues on about Bret’s experiences growing up and how he cannot remember ever being sad, he states he never had a drink, cigarette, drug he was just always so focused on his craft of directing. He stated he got the bug at the age of 8 that he wanted to be a Director. Raging Bull was one of the movies that sent him into his love of movies and directing.

The article get’s real interesting for me when Ms. Hanson asks him a question about his “eternal boyishness”and if that was the reason why he was such good friends with Michael Jackson.

Bret says, yeah, we loved having fun. We were always playing practical jokes on people, but the thing that connected us was movies and music. He stated that he and Michael would watch Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory over and over again.

He also mentioned how Michael would wake him up in the middle of the night and go, “Meet me in the car. “ Bret goes on to say that Michel had this Asian driver by the name of Kato who wore chauffer’s hat and a tuxedo.

He said they once drove to a 7-eleveen in Santa Barbara at 4 in the morning. Michael then tells him, “Meet me in the bathroom”. Bret say’s “Michael meet you in a 7-eleveen bathroom at 4 in the morning? “ were going to have problem here” Bret states that MJ puts on this Incredible Hulk mask on top of his head and they go into the bathroom and start filling up water balloons. I say, “what are we doing with these?” Michael say’s “we are going to throw them at people” Bret goes on to say so were driving in this stretched Lincoln Navigator, and Michael is in this Incredible Hulk mask sticking out of the sun roof, looking for people at 4am in Santa Barbara. ( Bret laughs) “There aren’t even people in LA after 2am!” but he says, “ we found a guy, a drifter, and he says, Kato hit the brakes” Bret goes on to say, “ now imagine a sad drifter guy walking down the street and then all of a sudden a stretched Lincoln pulls up slams on it’s breaks and out pops for the sun roof the Incredible hulk and he’s going to throw water balloons and the guy is running for his life.

” Bret say’s to Michael, “you don’t think the cops are going to know?” “ You’re the only fucking guy with a 80-foot stretched Lincoln Navigator.” “ What if this guy calls the cops and says the Incredible Hulk was throwing water balloons at me for a stretch Lincoln Navigator?” ( Bret is laughing hysterically about the memory,so much he cant continue the story)

Bret say’s” that ‘s the type of shit we would do. “

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That was Michael for you! i love stories like that. Endears him to me more and more. lol

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21 January, 2010 by Imran Amed, Editor

BoF Exclusive | Zaldy Goc...a, Part II

Michael Jackson by Zaldy | Source: Zaldy Goco

Michael Jackson by Zaldy | Source: Zaldy Goco

Yesterday, we learned about the beginnings of Zaldy Goco’s work in the music and fashion industries. Today, in part two, we speak to him about his close collaboration with Michael Jackson for the This is It concert extravaganza.

NEW YORK, United States — When Zaldy Goco answered the phone last April and learned that Michael Jackson’s creative team wanted him to develop some costume ideas for the King of Pop’s long-awaited comeback concert series in London, he could scarcely believe his luck. A long time fan of the sometimes-maligned, but always-loved music legend, Zaldy set about developing an approach for creating costumes that at once hearkened back to iconic images from Jackson’s past, while also making him relevant for contemporary fashion of the day.

The results were amazing and once the decision was made to make Zaldy the chief costume designer for the upcoming concerts, the process to get there involved five up close-and-personal fittings between Zaldy and Michael Jackson over a period of a several weeks, including the last fitting, just days before the singer’s sudden death.

Zaldy kindly spoke to BoF about the experience of designing for Michael Jackson and shared some photos of Jackson from the fittings, published here for the very first time.

BoF: And now for the topic that I am sure everyone is most interested to hear about: your collaboration with Michael Jackson for the This Is It tour. How did that come about?

It was such a surprise that began with a really casual phone call from someone who was representing Michael’s choeographer, Travis Payne. It was already the end of April and the tour was starting in July, and he asked me if I was interested in making some outfits. Of course I said yes! But, I really didn’t take it all that seriously as I knew that Michael had only ever really worked with one designer in the past named Michael Bush. He had developed all of Michael’s iconic looks for Thriller and Bad. So, by no means was it definite. I thought maybe I’d get to make a couple of outfits — maybe.

It turns out that Michael had been advised to take more of a fashion look with his presentation, and he had asked to see designs from some really big names, including, I believe, John Galliano and Alexander McQueen. My impression is that he got all these packages from these different designers and then he chose who he wanted to work with.

When he got my package, they called me right away and said he that Michael was jumping up and down screaming, saying “I’ve always wanted to do this! I’ve always wanted to do this!”

They asked me to come to L.A. the next day to meet Michael and told me they wanted me to do the entire show. In the end, because Michael is so faithful, he did ask Michael Bush to work on a few of the outfits as well, which I thought was really nice especially because it was supposed to be Michael’s last tour.

BoF: Wow, that’s pretty amazing. How would you describe what you designed for him?

This is the thing. When they first asked me to do this, they said “we need you to re-invent Michael.” And my first thought was that Michael does not need to be re-invented, especially not now. He is one of the only artists who created iconic looks and iconic images to go along with iconic songs. It’s not necessary for those looks to be reinvented — they just needed to be made more relevant for today. Nobody wants to see aThriller jacket that it isn’t red and black. People were going to want to see those iconic images, made more relevant to the times.

So, that’s what my approach was referencing what we knew, but bringing more technology and new techniques that Michael had never used before.

BoF: What are your favourite looks that you designed for Michael Jackson?

Michael Jackson Billie Jean Light-up outfit by Zaldy | Source: Zaldy Goco

Michael Jackson trying out Billie Jean Light-up outfit | Source: Zaldy Goco

They all kind have their own specialness for me. But, if you ask anyone who works with me, they will always say the We Are The World outfit, embroidered with all kinds of techniques from around the worldfrom African to American Indian to Japanese to Chinese. It was quite a mix, and very beautiful.

But for me, I loved the Black or Whiteleather jacket, with three different custom plated coloured studs, which was kind of a Sumurai-referenced jacket. The finale jacket is also a favourite, especially because Michael was so excited about it. I had made what Michael called ’secret treasures’ in the shape of little teardrops that enclosed around crusts of crystal chunks.

And then of course there was the light-up outfit for Billie Jean, which was a collaboration with Philips Technology, which really, really made him the happiest. The last time I saw him was about six days before we were leaving for London, and I tried these pants on him and he was silent; completely stunned. After about thirty seconds, he said “It’s everything I’ve always wanted.”

So, that was pretty special for me.

BoF: And then, of course there was his sudden death, which must have turned things upside down for you.

I experience anti-climax after every project, but I was in disbelief. I didn’t know what to do with myself. I had been living and breathing Michael Jackson for weeks on end. When I design for a musician, I immerse myself completely in their music. It just has to play in my head the whole time.

I decided I needed to lock myself away in a hotel to get away, but even that didn’t work. Everywhere I went, people were listening to Michael Jackson. There was no escape.

BoF: Did you have any sense that he might be unwell?

Michael Jackson by Zaldy | Source: Zaldy Goco

Michael Jackson in costume fitting | Source: Zaldy Goco

Not at all. And that is the thing that I think the movie really shows. He was quite lively, energetic and strong. And, he was super in tune to all the details. Every time I met with him, he was always catching little details. When I’d do fittings with him, he was very solid and very strong.

BoF: Last year was quite a year for you. Doing Lady Gaga and Michael Jackson in one year is pretty big. What lies ahead for you 2010?

It’s funny because I kept seeing the two of them side-by-side in stories or hearing their names mentioned in the same story. And then, all of a sudden I was working with both of them. But right now, I’m pretty excited to get back into the Scissor Sisters, who are launching their third album. But also, last year was a big music year, and I’m thinking of leaning back towards fashion again.

BoF: So there could be a Zaldy label again?

There could be. Right now I am working on a gown for the Met Ball. So, let’s see. I’m working on a couple of things.

BoF: Thanks very much Zaldy for sharing your story with us.

Concert suits for Michael Jackson | Source: Zaldy GocoConcert Jacket for Michael Jackson | Source: Zaldy Goco
Shoes for Michael Jackson | Source: Zaldy GocoMichael Jackson by Zaldy | Source: Zaldy Goco
Michael Jackson Billie Jean Light-up outfit by Zaldy | Source: Zaldy GocoMichael Jackson by Zaldy | Source: Zaldy Goco

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Reply #613 posted 12/06/10 4:10am

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Why haven't they released this as a t-shirt via Bravado or even Zaldynyc?????

Michael Jackson by Zaldy | Source: Zaldy Goco

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A few things that jumped out of me from the Joe Vogel review.

>> Hollywood Tonight

Definitely an album highlight. The song begins with a haunting Gothic church choir, before transforming into an energetic dance stomper. I'm not too keen on the spoken parts (performed by nephew, Taryll Jackson), but clearly there were places in the song Michael hadn't filled yet. The track features Michael in a notably deeper voice, and concludes with military-style whistling. As Ellen displayed on her show last week, the song will get people up and moving.

^^ Could it be a case of sour grapes that he didn't get to sing on the other tracks that prompted the whole "it's not Michael" debate?

>> Keep Your Head Up

Narrates the life of an ordinary woman "looking for the hope in the empty promises." The song is well-suited to the current economic climate and will likely resonate with many listeners. The back half of the song offers a classic MJ crescendo, with the gospel choir providing the lift and communal strength the woman needs to keep going. (Fans will be happy to know the "Earth Song" ad libs heard on a leaked version of the track were removed.)

^^ I'm glad I didn't listen to the leaked version as it turned out to be what I expected - a fan concoction with some cut and paste.

Monster

A blistering rhythm track that probably hits harder than any song on the album. Features a rap solo by 50 Cent, guitar work by Orianthi, and excellent production by Teddy Riley. As Jackson holds a mirror up to society, asking us to observe the distorted reflection, I couldn't help but picture the horrifying scene of paparazzi shoving their cameras up against the ambulance carrying him to the hospital. "Everywhere you seem to turn there's a monster," he sings. "Paparazzi got you scared like a monster." Some reviewers continue to dismiss songs like this as petty "ranting" and "paranoia," but this is some deft social criticism for those who look beyond the surface. It has all the makings of a hit single.

^^ Most pleased to see her get a chance to play on record with MJ even if it is this way.

(I Can't Make It) Another Day

Originally recorded by Jackson and Lenny Kravitz in 1999 at the legendary Marvin's Room Studio, the track has Michael summoning a cosmic power over a rugged, industrial funk beat and a soaring chorus. This is an example, however, of the new version sounding more like a Kravitz tribute to Jackson, rather than a Jackson track. In the original, Jackson's vocals are less overwhelmed by the drums and guitar, allowing him to convey the full mystery and wonder of the lyrics. Kravitz's update isn't too different, but enough to change the feel of the song. It still rocks, but in a different way than the original.

^^ Ok NOW I want the original as well.

If for no other reason than documenting history, then, it would seem worthwhile to release the originals/demos as well (perhaps as bonus tracks or a supplementary album), even if they aren't perfectly polished or updated.

^^ Now that would be a stroke of genius - I can hear Sony thinking about releasing a deluxe edition soon enough.

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Reply #615 posted 12/06/10 5:39am

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anyone read this ? i read in that article the last recordings of michael ( or something to that extent) riley said one producer used auto tune on mike , and its something he would never do to miek because of the beauty of his voice .

would this plus the additional vocals of that porte dude explain breaking news and others cascio tracks?

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Reply #616 posted 12/06/10 7:05am

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The album has leaked.

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Reply #617 posted 12/06/10 7:12am

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oh man....Oprah's about to ask the Cascio's if there were any "impropieties" during the 25 years that MJ stayed with them. the fans are REALLY gonna hate her now.

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BabyBeMine said:

One thing that is 100% true is in the USA pop artist are now hiring Hip Hop producers to produce there albums. Why? Because its dominated Billboard for years now. This is true.

They want the hip beats because this is whats bumpin in the clubs. How many clubs play pop music these days. Majority is s singer with a hip hop beat or rap.

As someone who studies the Billboard extensively, this hasn't been the case for at least 2 years now. Hip-Hop's relevance in pop music has been on the decline in favor of European-influenced house music. Listen the new Black Eyed Peas album and the last one, for example. David Guetta has been one of the main people behind this sound. RedOne, too, who is from Sweden.

Actually let's look at the amount of European influenced electronica in the current Billboard chart.

1. Pink - Raise Your Glass

House/Electrorock track produced by Max Martin (Sweden)

2.Katy Perry - Firework

Another track with a House beat.. produced by Stargate (Norway)

3. Rihanna - Only Girl

Electro/Dance ... produced by Stargate (Norway)

6. Ke$ha - We R Who We R

Electro/Dance

7. Far East Movement - Like a G6

Electro/Dance

9. Black Eyed Peas - The Time (Dirty Bit)

This one is just pure electro house through and through

12. Usher - DJ Got Us Falling In Love

electro/house produced by Max Martin

13. Taio Cruz - Dynamite

There's a definite house influence here

16. Mike Posner - Please Don't Go

This is a dance track through and through...

18. Enrique Iglesias - Tonight

Dance track more so than anything else.

20. Enrique Iglesias - I Like It

House beat

That's over half of the top 20.... and the tracks I left out are mainly pop/rock like "Teenage Dream", "Animal" by Neon Trees, not hip-hop songs.

The only hip-hop I see right now in the top 20 are Trey Songz/Nicki Minaj, Nelly and Wiz Khalifa. Bruno Mars and Cee Lo both have songs in the Top 20 but they're more of a retro R&B vibe rather than hip=hop.

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Reply #619 posted 12/06/10 7:22am

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Listening to the songs now...So far, I loveeeeee Hollywood Tonight and Behind The Mask!!

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Reply #621 posted 12/06/10 7:36am

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Where are you hearing the leak from

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Reply #622 posted 12/06/10 7:41am

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Wow....those Cascio tracks are fucking GARBAGE, if it wasn't clear before. And Monster is the worst culprit of fakery. It's so blatantly not Michael Jackson singing lead, spliced with real MJ vocal fills. Before it was maddening and now it's depressing. "Best Of Joy" vocals sound like demo vocals and it leaves me feeling like it should have stayed "in the can" or in demo form out of respect. "Hollywood Tonight," has vocals that are waaay too over-treated to be pleasing to the year. "Behind The Mask" and "Much Too Soon," sound great and are worthy to be included in the official catalogue. But man...this album is a JOKE.

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Reply #623 posted 12/06/10 7:44am

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Can i has link please? smile
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Reply #624 posted 12/06/10 7:54am

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BEHIND THE MASK IN FULL IS A JAM! lol

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Reply #625 posted 12/06/10 8:01am

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A little review:

Hold My Hand - I think the song is a big improvement over the leak, I like the melody, Mike sounds good, and Akon fits in well. I think its a great song.

Hollywood Tonight - Doesn't sound like Mike recorded a bridge or third verse, but the beatboxing, whistling, backing vocals and a spoken bridge more than make up for it. THIS is the kind of "unfinished but completed" stuff I thought we would get.

Keep Your Head Up - Still not convinced thoroughly. Sounds the same as the leaked version except there are only the "whooos!" from Earth Song. The "what about apathy" lines are gone though. Musically its okay, and is the best of the doubtful tracks.

(I Like) The Way You Love Me - The opening is actually quite cool - a phone convo from Mike with him singing the drum parts which becomes part of the beat to open the song. It's melodically about the same as the original, but I find the original to be far stronger. The stabbing keys of the Ultimate Collection version borders on neo-soul. It's not bad, it is just not worthy of inclusion on a "new" album to me though, especially when there's only 10 songs. Maybe as a bonus mix it would have been more welcome. I do think there are some new vocals near the end, while some of the beatboxing and stuff from the original are missing.

Monster - ......

Best Of Joy - Nice midtempo ballad. It won't be my favorite and it will be far from the worst. Mike's voice does sound different here, but its unmistakably him.

Breaking News - This mix does sound better than what leaked, but they left the "snort" in the second verse, and its as prominent as ever. Same vocals. This kind of song has been done numerous times by Mike, all of them better in my book.

(I Can't Make It) Another Day - I like the new mix. Sounds clean, the vocals and instruments all come through. Some people are down on the track compared to what they thought about the leak, but I'm okay with it. It sounds about how I imagined it. The ad-libs sound like those from We've Had Enough, but are not the same.

Behind The Mask - Without a doubt this will be a favorite among many fans. It's easy to imagine this on Thriller. I've not actually listened to any other versions of this song, so to hear legit saxaphone solos and such... its a treat. The song REALLY gets going at the end.

Much Too Soon - I'm glad the song leaked in a different version, because I think they both offer something. I actually prefer the album mix. Again, much like Hollywood Tonight and Another Day, this is how I envisioned songs being "finished". I always thought "finish" in this sense meant to complete it, not to take it out back like Old Yeller as with some of the other songs.

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listening to the album...... holy fuck, "Hollywood Tonight" IS THE FUCKING JAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply #627 posted 12/06/10 8:07am

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Militant said:

listening to the album...... holy fuck, "Hollywood Tonight" IS THE FUCKING JAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was my reaction too lol
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Reply #628 posted 12/06/10 8:16am

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Militant said:

listening to the album...... holy fuck, "Hollywood Tonight" IS THE FUCKING JAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Behind the mask too man...wait till u hear it. great instrumentation. cool

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Reply #629 posted 12/06/10 8:16am

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Best of Joy, Way You Love Me, and Keep Your Head up are my favorites

I was pumped up about Hollywood Tonight from the Ellen 30 second listen but hearing the whole song, its a good track that starts off making you want to dance, then all that talking ruins it. The track is flowin and all of a sudden duuhhh...Wish they just kept it flowin..Maybe because MJ didnt finish it. I still like it, but it had that potential to be MJ's new Dont Stop To You Get Enough

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