PoppyBros said:

Cinnie said:

Every rapper who "sings" their verses now. You got all day? I don't.

I wish I could attribute it to Cold Crush Brothers or someone cooler.

Umm you mean Ja Rule, right?

Ja Rule was a copycat of DMX. JaRule doen't really even talk like that. DMX he raps the way he really talks. Copycats never last..

I was talking about a lot more current cats than old ass DMX and Ja Rule.

Cinnie said:

PoppyBros said:

Umm you mean Ja Rule, right?

Ja who?

He would've maintained a fruitful career had he named himself Cookie Monster.

Like, any rapper who was invited to the Grammys in the last two years probably has done Nelly's sing-songy not-really-lyrical style.

before you know the same thing is gonna to happen to drake hmm will he lash out at lil wayne since he's the ceo of youngmoney records or whatever its called

PoppyBros said:

Cinnie said:

Every rapper who "sings" their verses now. You got all day? I don't.

I wish I could attribute it to Cold Crush Brothers or someone cooler.

Umm you mean Ja Rule, right?

Actually, it's Ja Mule!

I'm sorry to read how he writes so poorly. No big deal these days I guess, especially on the Internet.

When the money's good and you got the fame, you get so spoiled as if everything you put out will have the same result, and when it doesn't, the first thing someone does is lash out. It's easy to be angry instead of doing something about it then you sing the same sad old song that so many others sing when their careers get fucked.

Timmy84 said:

When the money's good and you got the fame, you get so spoiled as if everything you put out will have the same result, and when it doesn't, the first thing someone does is lash out. It's easy to be angry instead of doing something about it then you sing the same sad old song that so many others sing when their careers get fucked.

In other words get a plan, design a plan, and have a plan.

Timmy84 said:

When the money's good and you got the fame, you get so spoiled as if everything you put out will have the same result, and when it doesn't, the first thing someone does is lash out. It's easy to be angry instead of doing something about it then you sing the same sad old song that so many others sing when their careers get fucked.

What you just said is exactly almost word for word what guitarist Paul Waktaar Savoy of a-ha says in the book "Swing of things", basically that your first instinct is to always blame the label when something doesnt sell like something else sold. I mean its basic 101 shit, does Nelly think that he is somehow all of a sudden "in" again? ok he had a hit song, but does he not look around at the scene, almost everyone selling "singles" are not selling albums.

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

When the money's good and you got the fame, you get so spoiled as if everything you put out will have the same result, and when it doesn't, the first thing someone does is lash out. It's easy to be angry instead of doing something about it then you sing the same sad old song that so many others sing when their careers get fucked.

In other words get a plan, design a plan, and have a plan.

Right. I'm sick of these fools crying over something they should've thought about controlling long time ago.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

When the money's good and you got the fame, you get so spoiled as if everything you put out will have the same result, and when it doesn't, the first thing someone does is lash out. It's easy to be angry instead of doing something about it then you sing the same sad old song that so many others sing when their careers get fucked.

What you just said is exactly almost word for word what guitarist Paul Waktaar Savoy of a-ha says in the book "Swing of things", basically that your first instinct is to always blame the label when something doesnt sell like something else sold. I mean its basic 101 shit, does Nelly think that he is somehow all of a sudden "in" again? ok he had a hit song, but does he not look around at the scene, almost everyone selling "singles" are not selling albums.

Yeah like I said you get so spoiled you think everything should go your way and when you don't, you whine anywhere just so folks could pat you in the back. And on Twitter of all places. Like I said in another thread, Twitter is only usage for celebrities to type when they're either angry or drunk.

Timmy84 said:

lastdecember said:

What you just said is exactly almost word for word what guitarist Paul Waktaar Savoy of a-ha says in the book "Swing of things", basically that your first instinct is to always blame the label when something doesnt sell like something else sold. I mean its basic 101 shit, does Nelly think that he is somehow all of a sudden "in" again? ok he had a hit song, but does he not look around at the scene, almost everyone selling "singles" are not selling albums.

Yeah like I said you get so spoiled you think everything should go your way and when you don't, you whine anywhere just so folks could pat you in the back. And on Twitter of all places. Like I said in another thread, Twitter is only usage for celebrities to type when they're either angry or drunk.

its amazing how un-intelligent Nelly is to even think this, but, i also think him trying to stir up shit will get the HYPE going for an album that no one was waiting for anywhere, i mean seriously, what did he think? that selling 2 million downloads of a 99 cent single was going to get 2 million people to pay 10 bucks on him now?

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah like I said you get so spoiled you think everything should go your way and when you don't, you whine anywhere just so folks could pat you in the back. And on Twitter of all places. Like I said in another thread, Twitter is only usage for celebrities to type when they're either angry or drunk.

its amazing how un-intelligent Nelly is to even think this, but, i also think him trying to stir up shit will get the HYPE going for an album that no one was waiting for anywhere, i mean seriously, what did he think? that selling 2 million downloads of a 99 cent single was going to get 2 million people to pay 10 bucks on him now?

Like it's been said, he wasn't thinking about that. And he's still not thinking.

Many acts that used to sell helluva recordings cannot step into the new world of reality that sales are massively down and their artistry is tired and non-interesting to people anymore.

Catalog sales are way down. OTC sales are way down also. Major labels aren't making the bicks they used to, so therefore they blame it on artists not having sure-fire blockbuster material that sells big, but in fact, the real blame is with their overzealous capitalist asses that over-charged for cds and signed a bunch of whack acts over the last 10 years.

A cd should have never cost over $10.00. Everyone now wants to play the blame game.

Cream sweet rises to the top regardless.

Nelly, you can always do porn with your body, LOL It was profitable for Ray J.

There was an inside joke that Nelly should just be a model or a porn actor. I'm guessing he may try these options.

What happened to his Apple Bottom wardrobe? Oh yeah it went bust.

Timmy84 said:

There was an inside joke that Nelly should just be a model or a porn actor. I'm guessing he may try these options.

What happened to his Apple Bottom wardrobe? Oh yeah it went bust.

Hell, that's why his line went bust, "Apple Bottoms"? Who told Nelly that name was "brand" winner. Who?

Use to like Nelly, but it has been over for his music career for a while now

RnBAmbassador said:

Many acts that used to sell helluva recordings cannot step into the new world of reality that sales are massively down and their artistry is tired and non-interesting to people anymore.

Catalog sales are way down. OTC sales are way down also. Major labels aren't making the bicks they used to, so therefore they blame it on artists not having sure-fire blockbuster material that sells big, but in fact, the real blame is with their overzealous capitalist asses that over-charged for cds and signed a bunch of whack acts over the last 10 years.

A cd should have never cost over $10.00. Everyone now wants to play the blame game.

Cream sweet rises to the top regardless.

Nelly, you can always do porn with your body, LOL It was profitable for Ray J.

Actually Ray J lost money on the tape, he got sued, signed things away, and wound up having to do that lame vh1 show to pay things off. I mean if you cant even pull off your own sex tape properly, time to drop out of sight

lastdecember said:

RnBAmbassador said:

Many acts that used to sell helluva recordings cannot step into the new world of reality that sales are massively down and their artistry is tired and non-interesting to people anymore.

Catalog sales are way down. OTC sales are way down also. Major labels aren't making the bicks they used to, so therefore they blame it on artists not having sure-fire blockbuster material that sells big, but in fact, the real blame is with their overzealous capitalist asses that over-charged for cds and signed a bunch of whack acts over the last 10 years.

A cd should have never cost over $10.00. Everyone now wants to play the blame game.

Cream sweet rises to the top regardless.

Nelly, you can always do porn with your body, LOL It was profitable for Ray J.

Actually Ray J lost money on the tape, he got sued, signed things away, and wound up having to do that lame vh1 show to pay things off. I mean if you cant even pull off your own sex tape properly, time to drop out of sight

Plus, I don't recall that sex tape being particularly interesting, lol.

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said:

There was an inside joke that Nelly should just be a model or a porn actor. I'm guessing he may try these options.

What happened to his Apple Bottom wardrobe? Oh yeah it went bust.

Hell, that's why his line went bust, "Apple Bottoms"? Who told Nelly that name was "brand" winner. Who?

His "boys" probably.

Cerebus said:

All the Nelly hating is what it is. I'm pretty indifferent as far as the guys music goes. But there is no denying that he's like, the 724th artist to make statements like this in the last decade. And whether or not you hate his music, the guy did have huge sales for a very long time. Not to mention an endless stream of hits across multiple formats. I didn't even know he had a new album being released and I pay attention to such things. That IS the labels fault.

Record sales doesn't mean the product is good.

His voice is annoying. Most overrated rap artist to come

out last decade.

phunkdaddy said:

Cerebus said:

All the Nelly hating is what it is. I'm pretty indifferent as far as the guys music goes. But there is no denying that he's like, the 724th artist to make statements like this in the last decade. And whether or not you hate his music, the guy did have huge sales for a very long time. Not to mention an endless stream of hits across multiple formats. I didn't even know he had a new album being released and I pay attention to such things. That IS the labels fault.

Record sales doesn't mean the product is good.

His voice is annoying. Most overrated rap artist to come

out last decade.

Like I said, Nelly hating is what it is. That doesn't change the fact that if his label had made a serious push his album would probably have had a bigger first week number and debuted much higher on the charts.

HAPPYPERSON said:

Having recently scored a double Platinum hit with ‘Just A Dream’, many were surprised to see Nelly’s latest LP ‘5.0′ under-perform on the Billboard 200 this week.

None more so than the Grammy winning rapper himself; who just moments ago took to Twitter to vent his frustrations at his label Universal Motown - following the album’s #10 charting and 63,000 first week sales.

Check out what the St. Louis star had to say after the jump…

Via Twitter:

A record deal is a 50/50 partnership!As a artist its your job to provide the record company with music that they (record company) can sell!

Thing about the partnership is thati n the public eye the responsibility is not 50/50! The artist is always the 1who catches 90% of the blame. When a artist doesn’t deliver sufficient material they(artist) gets its budget cut for next album or worse dropped from the label!

So not only is the label ur partner but also disciplinarian and 90% of the time the one who decides if the partnership continues!

No doubt wen a artist doesn’t deliver a song that does crack top of the charts or even top10 the label is quick to say artist didn’t deliver.

So intern the artist must bare the brunt of that failure and take responsibility and consequences as handed out by his or her label!!

So whose fault is it when a artist gives the label not only a #1 hit but there first top40 #1 in label history! Sell 2mill n singles n 2.5month? Who should be held responsible wen a artist has a history for selling records so its not like a new artist n no1 knows his r her name?

Benefit of the doubt: Maybe no1 is checking for the artist anymore? Well if that was true then how do u explain selling 2mill singles n 2.5month?

I careless about haters u cant hate on#1song n 2.5mill n singles!but the fact is that some1 need to holdup there end of the partnership!

If u only ship 200thound of an album how many are u f#cking tryen to sell??the artist does control that nor does he or she control marketing

“”5.0″”Every1 luvs da album n say its crazy!So wen u hear folks say they didnt no it was out r there were hardly any n the store!WTF?

Ouch…Say what you want about Nelly as an artist, but the man does have a point here. Doesn’t he…?

Trent’s sidebar: Nelly does indeed have a point, especially if the rumours reporting that half of his promotional budget was taken and used to market Nicki Minaj’s ‘Pink Friday’ album instead. Whether her album is better or not is beside the point.

ps. Nelly you should go independent

Reading his explanation of the artist/label partnership, you can tell the guy knows a bit about the business, unlike some people who blindly sign contracts then complain afterwards

Timmy84 said:

There was an inside joke that Nelly should just be a model or a porn actor. I'm guessing he may try these options.

What happened to his Apple Bottom wardrobe? Oh yeah it went bust.

I ain't a fan of dude, but I gotta disagree with this one

Apple Bottom has done pretty well. It's the hoodrat's preferred clothing line, along with House of Dereon

phunkdaddy said:

Cerebus said:

All the Nelly hating is what it is. I'm pretty indifferent as far as the guys music goes. But there is no denying that he's like, the 724th artist to make statements like this in the last decade. And whether or not you hate his music, the guy did have huge sales for a very long time. Not to mention an endless stream of hits across multiple formats. I didn't even know he had a new album being released and I pay attention to such things. That IS the labels fault.

Record sales doesn't mean the product is good.

His voice is annoying. Most overrated rap artist to come

out last decade.

50 Cent, the entire G Unit, and D-12 just laughed at this statement

phunkdaddy said:

funkpill said:

Is he in "A Has Been" status??

How bout Never Was status.

One hit Hot in Herre.

And his bug eyed friend Jermaine Dupri had the nerve to say

this clown was one of the top 10 rappers in the game on

that recent BET special. Hell naw!

Ya'll muthafuckas are having me defend this muthafucka

3 Number One albums

His first 5 albums peaked in the top 3

18 Top 40 singles, 13 being in the top ten

plus he's smashin' Ashanti, who's looking a lot better these days so he gets a WIN right there

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bboy87 said:

phunkdaddy said:

How bout Never Was status.

One hit Hot in Herre.

And his bug eyed friend Jermaine Dupri had the nerve to say

this clown was one of the top 10 rappers in the game on

that recent BET special. Hell naw!

Ya'll muthafuckas are having me defend this muthafucka

3 Number One albums

His first 5 albums peaked in the top 3

18 Top 40 singles, 13 being in the top ten

plus he's smashin' Ashanti, who's looking a lot better these days so he gets a WIN right there

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Seriously, though. I didn't even like that dang Hot In Here song. In fact, this is pretty much the only thing I ever really liked from him...

Ashanti still looks twelve, though.