This is not even a cover, the band took it to another plateau altogether.

Timmy84 said:

This is not even a cover, the band took it to another plateau altogether.

Yeah, but that riff, including the horns are from the original

And James gave himself songwriting credit, just him alone

And did you notice the "What's Going On?" phrases also??

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funkpill said:

Timmy84 said:

This is not even a cover, the band took it to another plateau altogether.

Yeah, but that riff, including the horns are from the original

And James gave himself songwriting credit, just him alone

And did you notice the "What's Going On?", phrases also??

The drums are different, and the horns are in place of the harpsichord.

I don't know if that's enoug to change the writing credits? Maybe it is.

It's basically a King Heroin/Public Enemy type of track or is he just talking like the beginning og Escape-ism?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

funkpill said:

Yeah, but that riff, including the horns are from the original

And James gave himself songwriting credit, just him alone

And did you notice the "What's Going On?", phrases also??

The drums are different, and the horns are in place of the harpsichord.

I don't know if that's enoug to change the writing credits? Maybe it is.

It's basically a King Heroin/Public Enemy type of track or is he just talking like the beginning og Escape-ism?

Sounds like he's making it up as he goes along

Now compare the 2

Sounds like JB recycled that begin'n over & over

funkpill said:

Timmy84 said:

This is not even a cover, the band took it to another plateau altogether.

Yeah, but that riff, including the horns are from the original

And James gave himself songwriting credit, just him alone

And did you notice the "What's Going On?" phrases also??

Yes I did. Timmy what do you have to say about all of this?

TD3 said:

funkpill said:

Yeah, but that riff, including the horns are from the original

And James gave himself songwriting credit, just him alone

And did you notice the "What's Going On?" phrases also??

Yes I did. Timmy what do you have to say about all of this?

James always was doing that shit.

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Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

Yes I did. Timmy what do you have to say about all of this?

James always was doing that shit.

yup...

He grabbed riffs from:

The Ohio Player's Skin Tight

(His was known as "Making Love" from the JB's)

Of course Bowie's Fame

His was known as Hot ( I Need To Be Love, Love, Love, Love, Love)

It's Not The Express ( It's The JB's Monurail)

That came from BT Express's tune Express

Plus he grabbed some song titles as well:

The JB's "I Want To Thank You For Letting Me Be My Self (And You Be Yours)

Pick Up The Pieces, One By One

Now guess where those 2 came from

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funkpill said:

Timmy84 said:

James always was doing that shit.

yup...

He grabbed riffs from:

The Ohio Player's Skin Tight

(His was known as "Making Love" from the JB's)

Of course Bowie's Fame

(His was known as Hot ( I Need To Love, Love, Love, Love, Love)

It's Not The Express ( It's The JB's Monurail)

That came from BT Express's tune Express

Plus he grabbed some song titles as well:

The JB's "I Want To Thank You For Letting Me Be My Self (And You Be Yours)

Pick Up The Pieces One By One

Now guess where those 2 came from

And don't forget his Lyn Collins duet "What My Baby Needs Now is a Little More Lovin'" totally ripped off Bobby Womack's "Come L'Amore".

He used the basis of the Isley Brothers' "It's Your Thing" on not one but TWO tracks (Marva Whitney's "It's My Thing" and his "My Thang").

Hell some stuff on Black Caesar took bits from Curtis and Marvin...lol

And another Isley Brothers tune he borrowed: "Keep On Doin'" became "The Grunt".

Even if James' songs weren't always innovative, he was smart.

That's what made him and Fred Wesley fallout..

Fred pointed out to him that he was copying people whom he influence.

That didn't go too well with JB...

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funkpill said:

That's what made him and Fred Wesley fallout..

Fred pointed out to him that he was copying people whom he influence.

That didn't go to well with JB...

JB said they all got their style from him, so technically all those songs were his.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

funkpill said:

That's what made him and Fred Wesley fallout..

Fred pointed out to him that he was copying people whom he influence.

That didn't go to well with JB...

JB said they all got their style from him, so technically all those songs were his.

yeah, he convince himself

brotha' man had quite an ego

Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

Yes I did. Timmy what do you have to say about all of this?

James always was doing that shit.

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funkpill said:

That's what made him and Fred Wesley fallout..

Fred pointed out to him that he was copying people whom he influence.

That didn't go too well with JB...

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If that wasn't crazy enough, I saw something on Blogspot about Hank Ballard and he mentioned that as long as he knew James he said James barely wrote anything, that others wrote songs for him (like Bobby Byrd and Johnny Terry writing "Please Please Please" though Byrd didn't get credit).

funkpill said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

JB said they all got their style from him, so technically all those songs were his.

yeah, he convince himself

brotha' man had quite an ego

He was a massive case of egos tripping out.

Timmy84 said:

funkpill said:

That's what made him and Fred Wesley fallout..

Fred pointed out to him that he was copying people whom he influence.

That didn't go too well with JB...

[Edited 12/1/10 20:46pm]

If that wasn't crazy enough, I saw something on Blogspot about Hank Ballard and he mentioned that as long as he knew James he said James barely wrote anything, that others wrote songs for him (like Bobby Byrd and Johnny Terry writing "Please Please Please" though Byrd didn't get credit).

Hmm, never heard that part. Who wrote most of Hanks stuff when he was down with JB? I do know Hank wrote "Santa Clause Go Straight to the Ghetto" for James.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

If that wasn't crazy enough, I saw something on Blogspot about Hank Ballard and he mentioned that as long as he knew James he said James barely wrote anything, that others wrote songs for him (like Bobby Byrd and Johnny Terry writing "Please Please Please" though Byrd didn't get credit).

Hmm, never heard that part. Who wrote most of Hanks stuff when he was down with JB? I do know Hank wrote "Santa Clause Go Straight to the Ghetto" for James.

Probably Hank himself with James' band mates, who knows? Hank also said James was already on angel dust by the time they began working together in the late 1960s.

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Hmm, never heard that part. Who wrote most of Hanks stuff when he was down with JB? I do know Hank wrote "Santa Clause Go Straight to the Ghetto" for James.

Probably Hank himself with James' band mates, who knows? Hank also said James was already on angel dust by the time they began working together in the late 1960s.

How would Hank know who wrote Please? I doubt they knew each other at that time as Please was done was back in 55 before the Flames were picked up by Federal ...

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

Probably Hank himself with James' band mates, who knows? Hank also said James was already on angel dust by the time they began working together in the late 1960s.

How would Hank know who wrote Please? I doubt they knew each other at that time as Please was done was back in 55 before the Flames were picked up by Federal ...

That's what I was thinking...unless they knew each other from way back then.

Timmy84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

How would Hank know who wrote Please? I doubt they knew each other at that time as Please was done was back in 55 before the Flames were picked up by Federal ...

That's what I was thinking...unless they knew each other from way back then.

Possibity but I doubt. I dobt JM ever went anywhere outside of Georgia before he got his deal and Hank is from up north.

He's always said he'd know Lilttle Richard before he was famous, but I think that's it ...we'll never know.

Or maybe he did know Hank and Hank got him ti King/Federal ...

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Timmy84 said:

That's what I was thinking...unless they knew each other from way back then.

Possibity but I doubt. I dobt JM ever went anywhere outside of Georgia before he got his deal and Hank is from up north.

He's always said he'd know Lilttle Richard before he was famous, but I think that's it ...we'll never know.

Or maybe he did know Hank and Hank got him ti King/Federal ...

True lol

My FAVE version of the song...

And my 2nd fave...

Harlepolis said:

My FAVE version of the song...

Yes chile.... Black Moses' version trumps all others in my book.

Great track, from his 1972 There it is album. And really no big deal. JB has covered or copied from songs since the beginning.

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MrSoulpower said:

Great track, from his 1972 There it is album. And really no big deal. JB has covered or copied from songs since the beginning.

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Always dug this album cover

Harlepolis said:

And my 2nd fave...

I wanna see some take the J5 acapella, that instrumental and put them together...

funkpill said:

MrSoulpower said:

Great track, from his 1972 There it is album. And really no big deal. JB has covered or copied from songs since the beginning.

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Always dug this album cover

He actually had better songs on the album:

The title track (the woman shouting the title at the intro is a classic)

King Heroin

Public Enemy #1 and #2
Talkin' Loud and Sayin' Nothing

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Just to name a few.

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You know what use to really kill me about JB's recordings?

I can understand them being parts 1 & 2 on 45 records, but I never understood why they weren't in their entire on a full album?

He had them fading out as well...

Use to hate that

But I think he got it right when "The Payback" album came out

Although I didn't care for those interludes between songs

Hated those too

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MrSoulpower said:

Great track, from his 1972 There it is album. And really no big deal. JB has covered or copied from songs since the beginning.

James Brown was the first phrase sampler. Eg he sampled that track from the Jackson 5's Never Can Say Goodbye.

He was sampling all over the show before the hip hop kids in turn started sampling him in the 80's!