MMM

Thats not good at all.

She might be able to break even...

But Rated R didn't do as well as they hoped. And I'm pretty sure she hasn't paid back that advance yet.

So if this flops, they might drop her...

I think the album sucks, but I don't wish this on anyone...

sad...

raffi said:

VoicesCarry said:

Realistically, 180-190k is a good first week tally for any artist these days. More importantly, she's on track for 500k worldwide this week. The album will no doubt eventually scan 1 million+ in the US and outsell Rated R worldwide. That's a lot more than you can say for most artists these days and somehow, I don't think she's hurting.

There aren't too many artists with two singles being played heavily on radio right now. I don't think anybody said that when Janet opened with figures like that. Nobody said that when Mariah was set to open with that amount last year. But now, that figure is pretty good???? Excuses excuses

Okay! I was about to say the same thing!!! Nobody said that's a "healthy, good" first week debut when Janet scanned 181K first week with Discipline. If I recall correctly people were actually dubbing it a flop though it went #1. Rihanna is young and supposedly the hottest artist out now and she can't scan more than 190K in the fucking Fall? Chile...What happened to her "Navy"?

Btw, when Mariah scanned 168K I don't remember folks bashing her though that figure was a 70% drop from her previous album, lmao. Maybe, I missed it.

midiscover said:

raffi said:

There aren't too many artists with two singles being played heavily on radio right now. I don't think anybody said that when Janet opened with figures like that. Nobody said that when Mariah was set to open with that amount last year. But now, that figure is pretty good???? Excuses excuses

Okay! I was about to say the same thing!!! Nobody said that's a "healthy, good" first week debut when Janet scanned 181K first week with Discipline. If I recall correctly people were actually dubbing it a flop though it went #1. Rihanna is young and supposedly the hottest artist out now and she can't scan more than 190K in the fucking Fall? Chile...What happened to her "Navy"?

Btw, when Mariah scanned 168K I don't remember folks bashing her though that figure was a 70% drop from her previous album, lmao. Maybe, I missed it.

The blogs and boards I go to took her to task. More importantly, radio has ignored the older divas for offering first week sales like these. If Madonna, Mariah, and Janet don't punch out a 300k-400k debut that second single isn't getting played. I don't think it's right that Rhianna flops, and excuses are made. If Janet and the other divas had radio play their ish like Rhianna the albums would sell. All three ladies I listed have had songs that would have fit in perfectly with today's pop climate.

[Edited 11/18/10 19:00pm]

Timmy84 said:

Cinnie said:

What could be possibly keeping her out of the #1 spot this week?

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why is the world in love with this bitch?! her voice is decent karaoke quality AT BEST! and that damn taylor swift! wtf?!

raffi said:

midiscover said:

Okay! I was about to say the same thing!!! Nobody said that's a "healthy, good" first week debut when Janet scanned 181K first week with Discipline. If I recall correctly people were actually dubbing it a flop though it went #1. Rihanna is young and supposedly the hottest artist out now and she can't scan more than 190K in the fucking Fall? Chile...What happened to her "Navy"?

Btw, when Mariah scanned 168K I don't remember folks bashing her though that figure was a 70% drop from her previous album, lmao. Maybe, I missed it.

The blogs and boards I go to took her to task. More importantly, radio has ignored the older divas for offering first week sales like these. If Madonna, Mariah, and Janet don't punch out a 300k-400k debut that second single isn't getting played. I don't think it's right that Rhianna flops, and excuses are made. If Janet and the other divas had radio play their ish like Rhianna the albums would sell. All three ladies I listed have had songs that would have fit in perfectly with today's pop climate.

[Edited 11/18/10 19:00pm]

I agree 100%.

Rated R sold nearly 3M worldwide. I wouldn't go as far as deeming it a commerical failure.

Identity said:

Rated R sold nearly 3M worldwide. I wouldn't go as far as deeming it a commerical failure.

Charmbracelet sold 3M worldwide what's your point

raffi said:

Identity said:

Rated R sold nearly 3M worldwide. I wouldn't go as far as deeming it a commerical failure.

Charmbracelet sold 3M worldwide what's your point

I have no idea what either of y'all are talking about, but I'd say that makes both of them QUITE succesful (in hindsight at least, if not at their time of release). Madonna has released albums that didn't sell nearly as well as her previous release, but in the overall spectrum of her career nobody remembers that. All they know is that she's released and sold a lot of albums. Know what I'm sayin'?

Identity said:

Rated R sold nearly 3M worldwide. I wouldn't go as far as deeming it a commerical failure.

Where did you read that lie?

Rated R barely scanned 1 million worldwide.

midiscover said:

Identity said:

Rated R sold nearly 3M worldwide. I wouldn't go as far as deeming it a commerical failure.

Where did you read that lie?

Rated R barely scanned 1 million worldwide.

I'm not adding this up, but it looks like it's probably somewhere in between the two number. It's scanned almost a million in the US alone.

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In the United States, Rated R debuted at number four on the Billboard 200 chart and sold 181,000 units in its first week, beating her previous album Good Girl Gone Bad's first week sales of 168,000,^[104] and making it her highest selling week ever.^[105][106] The album was also Rihanna's fourth top ten album in the country and her second highest album chart position.^[107] It also topped Billboard Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart, becoming her first album to top the chart. On January 8, 2010, Rated R was certified platinum by the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) with an estimated 1,000,000 copies shipped to date.^[108][109] The album had sold more than 998,000 units in the US as of October 2010.^[110][111]

In the United Kingdom, the album debuted at number sixteen and was certified gold in just four days.^[79] The album has so far shipped at least 300,000 copies and has been certified platinum by British Phonographic Industry (BPI) on January 25, 2010.^[79] It is Rihanna's joint-second most successful album in the country, above her first album, Music of the Sun which sold 200,000 copies and joint with her second album, A Girl like Me which sold at least 300,000. On the issue dated January 24, 2010, the album rose to number thirty having been at thirty-four the previous week.^[112] The following week, it rose again from number thirty to twenty-seven. On February 21, 2010, the album rose from number thirty-one to number twenty-six, and then climbed even further the following week to its debut and peak of number sixteen.^[112] It was also the highest climber that week.^[112] On the issue dated March 7, 2010, the album broke into the top ten, landing at number nine in its fifteenth week.^[112][113] The following week, the album rose to number two on the R&B chart. It is Rihanna's fastest selling album of her career in the United Kingdom, receiving a platinum certification in just over two months of its release. This beats her previous album, Good Girl Gone Bad, which went platinum in just over three months.^[108] As of August 1 the album had been on the UK Albums Chart for 36 weeks.^[114]

Despite debuting at only number fifteen in Australia, the album was certified gold its second week on the chart. In August, the album was certified Platinum after shipping 70,000 units. With the release of the album's third single, "Rude Boy", Rated R set a new high of twelve on March 7, 2010.^[115] In Poland, the album peaked at number five and received a gold certification, selling 20,000 copies in just one month,^[116] beating Good Girl Gone Bad's sales of 20,000 in two years.^[117] In Sweden, Rated R rose dramatically to a peak position of number nineteen on the issue dated January 29, 2010, after being at thirty-four its previous week.^[118] In New Zealand, the album debuted at number fourteen^[119] and in Finland it debuted at number twenty-eight eventually climbing to number fifteen.^[120][121] In April 2010, the album soared from number fifty-nine to its new peak of eighteen on the Dutch Albums Chart.^[122] In June 2010, the album re-entered the Greek Albums Chart to reach a new peak of number six.^[123] As of May 2010, Rated R had sold almost three million copies worldwide, according to Rihanna's label, SRP Music Group.^[124] In addition to the studio release, a remix album, Rated R: Remixed, was released in May 2010. It managed to chart at number 158 on the Billboard 200.^[125] In the same week it also debuted at number six on the Billboard Dance/Electronic Albums chart. It also made its debut on the Canadian Albums Chart at number 84, making it Rihanna's first remixed album to appear on the chart.^[126] In June 2010, the remix album debuted at number eleven on the Greek Albums Chart.^[123] The following week it climbed to number four giving Rihanna her first top ten remix album.

purplesweat said:

I think the numbers are because she's starting to do consistent promo now rather than back when Only Girl first went to radio. If she'd been doing the talk show rounds, SNL etc back then, the numbers would probably be bigger. She got it right with GGGB by performing at the MTV Movie Awards just as Umbrella was really taking off.

Still, looking forward to the S&M video!

Promoting weeks before an album release doesn't serve much of a purpose other than to promote whatever single is out at the time.

GGGB debuted with less than Rated R or Loud, so not sure how that was "getting it right". "Getting it right" has more to do with consistent promotion and successful single releases once the album drops.

raffi said:

midiscover said:

Okay! I was about to say the same thing!!! Nobody said that's a "healthy, good" first week debut when Janet scanned 181K first week with Discipline. If I recall correctly people were actually dubbing it a flop though it went #1. Rihanna is young and supposedly the hottest artist out now and she can't scan more than 190K in the fucking Fall? Chile...What happened to her "Navy"?

Btw, when Mariah scanned 168K I don't remember folks bashing her though that figure was a 70% drop from her previous album, lmao. Maybe, I missed it.

The blogs and boards I go to took her to task. More importantly, radio has ignored the older divas for offering first week sales like these. If Madonna, Mariah, and Janet don't punch out a 300k-400k debut that second single isn't getting played. I don't think it's right that Rhianna flops, and excuses are made. If Janet and the other divas had radio play their ish like Rhianna the albums would sell. All three ladies I listed have had songs that would have fit in perfectly with today's pop climate.

[Edited 11/18/10 19:00pm]

Mariah and Janet will always be compared to their heydays when their sales (and sales in general) were much more substantial. Rihanna does not suffer from that comparison. It's all relative.

@Cerebus

Hmm, it sold 2,040,000 worldwide as of May 22, 2010 so it might be at 3 million by now.

[Edited 11/18/10 23:18pm]

raffi said:

Identity said:

Rated R sold nearly 3M worldwide. I wouldn't go as far as deeming it a commerical failure.

Charmbracelet sold 3M worldwide what's your point

I'm just a little befuddled as to why we're talking about a 2002 Mariah album on a Rihanna thread.

Okay, I listened to it.

SUCKS.

VoicesCarry said:

purplesweat said:

I think the numbers are because she's starting to do consistent promo now rather than back when Only Girl first went to radio. If she'd been doing the talk show rounds, SNL etc back then, the numbers would probably be bigger. She got it right with GGGB by performing at the MTV Movie Awards just as Umbrella was really taking off.

Still, looking forward to the S&M video!

Promoting weeks before an album release doesn't serve much of a purpose other than to promote whatever single is out at the time.

GGGB debuted with less than Rated R or Loud, so not sure how that was "getting it right". "Getting it right" has more to do with consistent promotion and successful single releases once the album drops.

Well, yeah, that's what i meant. She got the whole promotion for GGGB right, starting with the first single. This era she's just started heavy promo now the second single is secure, whereas IMO she should've been doing this sort of promo back when ONly Girl was new.

VoicesCarry said:

raffi said:

The blogs and boards I go to took her to task. More importantly, radio has ignored the older divas for offering first week sales like these. If Madonna, Mariah, and Janet don't punch out a 300k-400k debut that second single isn't getting played. I don't think it's right that Rhianna flops, and excuses are made. If Janet and the other divas had radio play their ish like Rhianna the albums would sell. All three ladies I listed have had songs that would have fit in perfectly with today's pop climate.

[Edited 11/18/10 19:00pm]

Mariah and Janet will always be compared to their heydays when their sales (and sales in general) were much more substantial. Rihanna does not suffer from that comparison. It's all relative.

Well then, why isn't Rhianna being held to her GGGB totals??

Identity said:

raffi said:

Charmbracelet sold 3M worldwide what's your point

I'm just a little befuddled as to why we're talking about a 2002 Mariah album on a Rihanna thread.

3 mill worldwide for somone as hyped as Rhianna is horrible

raffi said:

Identity said:

I'm just a little befuddled as to why we're talking about a 2002 Mariah album on a Rihanna thread.

3 mill worldwide for somone as hyped as Rhianna is horrible

Actually, unless the artist in question has gone FAR over their recording budget or owes there label vast sums of money for some other reason three million is a good number worldwide for ANYBODY. Always has been. There million is a lot of units.

Cerebus said:

raffi said:

3 mill worldwide for somone as hyped as Rhianna is horrible

Actually, unless the artist in question has gone FAR over their recording budget or owes there label vast sums of money for some other reason three million is a good number worldwide for ANYBODY. Always has been. There million is a lot of units.

I think that's what some are thinking is the issue of Rihanna. I wonder how much money they put into making the last two albums she put out. That could explain why people are calling her a "flop" already.

When Rihanna sells over 60 million in the U.S. like Mariah call me. There's no comparison. Carey and Janet are veterans past their prime and they aren't her competition.

People go on and on about this girl like she's in the same arena as Beyonce & Alicia yet she can't seem to sell an album - even with massive singles on radio - during the holidays.

when she open up for the Amas ,it will probaby boost the album

midiscover said:

She's the definition of a singles artist. SuBo shitting on her once again. Rihanna is on her 5th album and still has 0 #1 albums. How unfortunate.

Who's that?

Timmy84 said:

Cerebus said:

Actually, unless the artist in question has gone FAR over their recording budget or owes there label vast sums of money for some other reason three million is a good number worldwide for ANYBODY. Always has been. There million is a lot of units.

I think that's what some are thinking is the issue of Rihanna. I wonder how much money they put into making the last two albums she put out. That could explain why people are calling her a "flop" already.

She does pretty well with the singles so she's not a flop with that her albums never sell though they sell but you would think she have a number one album by now She put out the better records then the album is fillers.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I think that's what some are thinking is the issue of Rihanna. I wonder how much money they put into making the last two albums she put out. That could explain why people are calling her a "flop" already.

She does pretty well with the singles so she's not a flop with that her albums never sell though they sell but you would think she have a number one album by now She put out the better records then the album is fillers.

Pretty much lol

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

She does pretty well with the singles so she's not a flop with that her albums never sell though they sell but you would think she have a number one album by now She put out the better records then the album is fillers.

Pretty much lol

I thought she was going to be a one-hit wonder. lol

bboy87 said:

midiscover said:

She's the definition of a singles artist. SuBo shitting on her once again. Rihanna is on her 5th album and still has 0 #1 albums. How unfortunate.

Who's that?

Timmy84 said:

Cinnie said:

What could be possibly keeping her out of the #1 spot this week?

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babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Pretty much lol

I thought she was going to be a one-hit wonder. lol

Thank her marketing team lol

According to Soundscan, 207,000 copies of Loud were sold in the first week. No bad at all.

Identity said:

According to Soundscan, 207,000 copies of Loud were sold in the first week. No bad at all.

That's actually real good.