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Reply #120 posted 11/17/10 7:28pm

BabyBeMine

Say it. To me its like a fan of a athlete who can't believe or accept there hero is past there prime and the coach plays them limited minutes or wants them to lay a 6th man roll off the bench. This was Sony's mindset in 2001. Mike is still a starter but no longer the go to guy...LOL

Unless Sales proved otherwize which they didn't. Bottom Line.

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Reply #121 posted 11/17/10 7:40pm

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BabyBeMine said:

Say it. To me its like a fan of a athlete who can't believe or accept there hero is past there prime and the coach plays them limited minutes or wants them to lay a 6th man roll off the bench. This was Sony's mindset in 2001. Mike is still a starter but no longer the go to guy...LOL

Unless Sales proved otherwize which they didn't. Bottom Line.

Between Invincible and Number Ones, he sold over 20 million albums. With no tour, only one rotated music video, and only two commercially available singles, one of them (Cry) which was not promoted at all.


The sales were always there. Creative differences and hence promotion destroyed Invincible. How many artists do you know have 10 million + selling "flops"?

[Edited 11/17/10 19:41pm]

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Reply #122 posted 11/17/10 7:41pm

Timmy84

Superstition said:

Swa said:

Some MJ fans will always distrust and dislike Sony. But what many of us realise is that it wasn't Sony Michael didn't like - but the way the new management there treated him (Tommy Motolla et al).

Whilst Sony did spend big promoting MJ they knew it was in their best interest and the return was there. But also remember when they didn't think Thriller could sell any more and didn't fun the Thriller video so Michael initially self financed it. Then it sold more than anyone could imagine.

From a business point of view MJ was a sure return. But when sales weren't as big as they projected they pulled back their investment and you have to say botched up a few of the releases.

Whilst I agree the Estate and Sony are in a no win situation when it comes to these releases as fans are divided on what they want - taking it all on what Teddy said is not the full story.

As I mentioned in the last thread I do feel the estate / sony can't win on these releases.
Some fans will want the demos only (fine for a bonus disc but not for a commercial album) while other fans will want to hear how these songs would have ended up.

Others want to hear songs that didn't make it onto his albums - others want to hear what work he did post 2001.

I think in time we will all be satisfied one way or the other with the collection of albums that will come out over the years - for now some will love 'Michael', others will think it's filler.

We have to create space for both those who are still excited by this release, and the fans who hoped for more.

I honestly don't think it would have been that hard to please most people. Just put tracks on the album where you don't have to listen 500 times to see if Michael Jackson is on there. Seriously, many of us here are reasonable fans and don't believe in conspiracies, but a lot of us just don't hear Mike on those tracks.

Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong, maybe there's some gray area, but there's a lot of room for doubt.

You can't please everyone, but I do think they could have pleased most people. Get rid of the questionable tracks and replace them with A Place With No Name/Escape/Blue Gangster/etc. There's a few to choose from.

Well they got six more albums to go so we won't get those problems again. lol

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Reply #123 posted 11/17/10 7:42pm

Timmy84

Superstition said:

BabyBeMine said:

Say it. To me its like a fan of a athlete who can't believe or accept there hero is past there prime and the coach plays them limited minutes or wants them to lay a 6th man roll off the bench. This was Sony's mindset in 2001. Mike is still a starter but no longer the go to guy...LOL

Unless Sales proved otherwize which they didn't. Bottom Line.

Between Invincible and Number Ones, he sold over 20 million albums. With no tour, only one rotated music video, and only two commercially available singles, one of them (Cry) which was not promoted at all.


The sales were always there. Creative differences and hence promotion destroyed Invincible. How many artists do you know have 10 million + selling "flops"?

[Edited 11/17/10 19:41pm]

Plus the guy's old records keep being sold in healthy dosages. He never had a "flop". Just compared to that album lol

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Reply #124 posted 11/17/10 7:43pm

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But they've got like, 9 of those Cascio tracks left. confused

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Reply #125 posted 11/17/10 7:49pm

Timmy84

Superstition said:

But they've got like, 9 of those Cascio tracks left. confused

What? There's more? lol


Dammit. lol

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Reply #126 posted 11/17/10 7:53pm

BabyBeMine

I don't trust those worldwide figures fans be posting. I do trust USA Billboard

Invincible sold 2 million in the USA. Good sales, but not enough to give MJ 20 million dollor videos.

There are artist who sell that much with videos in the under 1 million range.

If your a BAD BOY...Sell your album with a video that cost under 1 million. To me that's BIG PIMPIN....Thats having the attitude my music is off da chain so i dont need a expensive video for ppl to like it. Unfortunately that was not Mike's mindset.

Young Mike could simply do close up shots singing and it was cool. Older MJ was more demanding

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Reply #127 posted 11/17/10 7:54pm

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smoothcriminal12 said:

BabyBeMine said:

He said MJ most of the time MJ recorded just 1 or 2 verses of a DEMO and moved on.

That's not true for demos like:

Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'

Billie Jean

Don't Stop Til' You Get Enough

Workin' Day And Night

The Girl Is Mine

Dangerous

In The Closet
For All Time

Monkey Business

Etc.

So obviously Teddy is wrong.

We've heard demos to

Shake Your Body Down To The Ground

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Workin' Day And Night

2 for Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'

Baby Be Mine

The Girl Is Mine

Beat It

3 for Billie Jean

PYT

Dangerous

In The Closet

Give In To Me

Keep The Faith

Earth Song

Unrelased tracks like

Sunset Driver

This Is It

Love Never Felt So Good

Starlight

Hot Street

Slapstick

She's Trouble

Carousel

Nightline

Got The Hots

Behind The Mask

Much Too Soon

State Of Shock

There Must Be More To Life Than This

Scared Of The Moon

Streetwalker

Fly Away

Cheater

For All Time

If You Don't Love Me

Serious Effect

She Got It

Work That Body

Monkey Business

Do You Know Where Your Children Are

Man In Black (which is floating around somewhere)

I'll Be There '89

Never Can Say Goodbye '89

To Satisfy You

Joy

In The Back (one of the people worked on it said that there's a more complete version that still hasn't been released)

Why

and more...

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Reply #128 posted 11/17/10 7:56pm

Superstition

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Randy Jackson on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/randyjackson8

Q: How do you feel about the new Album?

A: I have to give you history behind the project in order to answer this question correctly

Me and my nephew were the first to say that it wasn't his voice on some of the tracks
let me go back and say something that you, the public, may not be aware of
The family and the executers of the Estate, Branca and Mclain are not on the same page. We don't see eye to eye.

I became suspicious about the album, when I heard when armed guards were involved since my brothers passing, May he rest in peace. John McClain insisted that no family members were allowed at his studio where the project was being completed
My first thought was, what are they trying to hide
Teddy Riley was brought in just to mix and insisted on switching studios
At which he called me to come down and hear my brothers music, may he rest in peace. I heard the music and I immediately said it wasn't his voice. Now McClain points the finger at Sony, when he got the tracks before it even went to Sony.

But I think they all know all now it is not him. Sony has 250 mil reasons to convince the public that it is his voice, if you know what I mean. In fact, when I heard about the Sony deal, it made me sick. Like AEG, they were cutting deals with the Estate before I could get my brother in the ground. May he rest in peace. I invited McClain to the burial, Ironically, he didn't show up. Neither of the executors didn't show up to pay their respects. Maybe they were too busy getting deals done.

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Reply #129 posted 11/17/10 8:10pm

Swa

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Superstition said:

Swa said:

Some MJ fans will always distrust and dislike Sony. But what many of us realise is that it wasn't Sony Michael didn't like - but the way the new management there treated him (Tommy Motolla et al).

Whilst Sony did spend big promoting MJ they knew it was in their best interest and the return was there. But also remember when they didn't think Thriller could sell any more and didn't fun the Thriller video so Michael initially self financed it. Then it sold more than anyone could imagine.

From a business point of view MJ was a sure return. But when sales weren't as big as they projected they pulled back their investment and you have to say botched up a few of the releases.

Whilst I agree the Estate and Sony are in a no win situation when it comes to these releases as fans are divided on what they want - taking it all on what Teddy said is not the full story.

As I mentioned in the last thread I do feel the estate / sony can't win on these releases.
Some fans will want the demos only (fine for a bonus disc but not for a commercial album) while other fans will want to hear how these songs would have ended up.

Others want to hear songs that didn't make it onto his albums - others want to hear what work he did post 2001.

I think in time we will all be satisfied one way or the other with the collection of albums that will come out over the years - for now some will love 'Michael', others will think it's filler.

We have to create space for both those who are still excited by this release, and the fans who hoped for more.

I honestly don't think it would have been that hard to please most people. Just put tracks on the album where you don't have to listen 500 times to see if Michael Jackson is on there. Seriously, many of us here are reasonable fans and don't believe in conspiracies, but a lot of us just don't hear Mike on those tracks.

Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong, maybe there's some gray area, but there's a lot of room for doubt.

You can't please everyone, but I do think they could have pleased most people. Get rid of the questionable tracks and replace them with A Place With No Name/Escape/Blue Gangster/etc. There's a few to choose from.

Yeah but then people would have bitched about A Place With No Name (leaked snippet) Xscape (full track leaked years ago) and Blue Gangster (leaked as No Friend of Mine).

But I feel you on the 3 questionable tracks.

I think the smart thing to do would have been to release the album as a 9 track and then release the 3 questionable tracks as bonus content on itunes - let the fans decided.

As it is though you can always buy the album on itunes and not buy the 3 tracks you question.

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Reply #130 posted 11/17/10 8:12pm

bboy87

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To be honest, I think with this album, they wanted RECENT recordings and because Michael was pretty spotty with recording for the last years of his life, that was probably why they had to hunt stuff down

fans know of at least 150 unreleased recordings in various states from 1975 to 2009

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Reply #131 posted 11/17/10 8:12pm

Unholyalliance

BabyBeMine said:

I don't trust those worldwide figures fans be posting. I do trust USA Billboard.

To think...if everyone who trusted their own country's well documented Billboard stats got together to share and compare that information, I wonder what would happen. What would be the result?

Gee...I wonder...

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Reply #132 posted 11/17/10 8:13pm

Swa

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BabyBeMine said:

I don't trust those worldwide figures fans be posting. I do trust USA Billboard

Invincible sold 2 million in the USA. Good sales, but not enough to give MJ 20 million dollor videos.

There are artist who sell that much with videos in the under 1 million range.

If your a BAD BOY...Sell your album with a video that cost under 1 million. To me that's BIG PIMPIN....Thats having the attitude my music is off da chain so i dont need a expensive video for ppl to like it. Unfortunately that was not Mike's mindset.

Young Mike could simply do close up shots singing and it was cool. Older MJ was more demanding

Ok so you don't trust worldwide figures - but you have to admit that Invincible sold more worldwide than the 2 million you quote for the USA right?

And while you trust figures - can you provide the source for the $20 million video you keep quoting?

Thanks.

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Reply #133 posted 11/17/10 8:14pm

Superstition

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Swa said:

Superstition said:

I honestly don't think it would have been that hard to please most people. Just put tracks on the album where you don't have to listen 500 times to see if Michael Jackson is on there. Seriously, many of us here are reasonable fans and don't believe in conspiracies, but a lot of us just don't hear Mike on those tracks.

Maybe we're right, maybe we're wrong, maybe there's some gray area, but there's a lot of room for doubt.

You can't please everyone, but I do think they could have pleased most people. Get rid of the questionable tracks and replace them with A Place With No Name/Escape/Blue Gangster/etc. There's a few to choose from.

Yeah but then people would have bitched about A Place With No Name (leaked snippet) Xscape (full track leaked years ago) and Blue Gangster (leaked as No Friend of Mine).

Most def, but I don't think you'd have fans 50/50 saying "I'm not buying this" or "This isn't him". At the end of the day, those tracks are still commercially unavailable and there's a good chance they could rework those. Xscape, since it sounds like a complete track and not a demo, could have an extended version and/or alternate vocals.

Like I said, I agree that you can't please everyone, but if you would have asked me before Breaking News if I thought this album would have like, 50%+ of fans saying they don't believe his vocals are even on some of these tracks, I'd laugh it off (like I did at the rumors about just that very thing!)

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Reply #134 posted 11/17/10 8:55pm

BabyBeMine

Swa said:

BabyBeMine said:

I don't trust those worldwide figures fans be posting. I do trust USA Billboard

Invincible sold 2 million in the USA. Good sales, but not enough to give MJ 20 million dollor videos.

There are artist who sell that much with videos in the under 1 million range.

If your a BAD BOY...Sell your album with a video that cost under 1 million. To me that's BIG PIMPIN....Thats having the attitude my music is off da chain so i dont need a expensive video for ppl to like it. Unfortunately that was not Mike's mindset.

Young Mike could simply do close up shots singing and it was cool. Older MJ was more demanding

Ok so you don't trust worldwide figures - but you have to admit that Invincible sold more worldwide than the 2 million you quote for the USA right?

And while you trust figures - can you provide the source for the $20 million video you keep quoting?

Thanks.

OK, maybe im wrong. Im searching on Google to find the old article. I do know Unbreakable was supposed to be a 20 minute short film with actor Mel Gibson in the video.

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Reply #135 posted 11/17/10 9:10pm

Swa

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BabyBeMine said:

Swa said:

Ok so you don't trust worldwide figures - but you have to admit that Invincible sold more worldwide than the 2 million you quote for the USA right?

And while you trust figures - can you provide the source for the $20 million video you keep quoting?

Thanks.

OK, maybe im wrong. Im searching on Google to find the old article. I do know Unbreakable was supposed to be a 20 minute short film with actor Mel Gibson in the video.

Again - source. Not saying it's not true as he did discuss the Unbreakable video during his webchat but don't recall the Mel Gibson reference.

And its ok to be wrong - all of our memories get muddled with all the rumours and facts we've accumulated in our time.

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Reply #136 posted 11/17/10 9:23pm

EmeraldSkies

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ali23 said:

Could somebody slap Usher for me? eek

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Usher talks filling Michael Jackson's shoes


For much of his nearly 16-year career, he’s appeared to be groomed as the successor to Michael Jackson, especially since Jackson's death. Raymond isn't facing much competition for the title; Chris Brown is still trying to repair his damaged image, and Justin Timberlake has become a viable movie star.

The show confirms that not only does Raymond believe he’s inherited the crown, but also that he’s a worthy heir to Jackson’s glitter-studded shoes -– the latter of which he literally fills during one point in the show when a sparkling black pair of high-top sneakers mysteriously appear onstage. After announcing to the audience that “when I put these things on, I just ... turn into a ... animal,” he launchess into a moonwalk, almost conjuring Jackson's ghost.

“You know, we lost Michael Jackson. A lot of pressure is on me, and I don’t mind taking it,” he said later. “The overarching impression that I’d like to leave is that, you know, this guy is really stepping it up to a level where people can hopefully compare him to people like [Jackson], and great entertainers of the past.”

Though the tour does offer a startling number of visual nods to “This Is It,” Jackson’s would-be last hurrah, Raymond isn’t so sure he wants to tour as he ages, having told the New York Times earlier this year: “Hopefully, at 40, I won’t have to be on the stage.”

http://latimesblogs.latim...rever.html

rolleyes Keep dreaming Usher lol

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Reply #137 posted 11/17/10 9:36pm

BabyBeMine

Swa said:

BabyBeMine said:

OK, maybe im wrong. Im searching on Google to find the old article. I do know Unbreakable was supposed to be a 20 minute short film with actor Mel Gibson in the video.

Again - source. Not saying it's not true as he did discuss the Unbreakable video during his webchat but don't recall the Mel Gibson reference.

And its ok to be wrong - all of our memories get muddled with all the rumours and facts we've accumulated in our time.

LOL.. I Love me some Michael Jackson so dont think im a hater. Im the same way with Kobe and the Lakers and honest. Right now Kobe is looking like 2002 Washington Wizards Michael Jordan and Laker fans fans hate when i say that.

But give Off the Wall MJ that 2001 Butterflies track and he would make a simple close up video of his handsome face and its a HIT...

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Reply #138 posted 11/17/10 9:38pm

SherryJackson

EmeraldSkies said:

ali23 said:

Could somebody slap Usher for me? eek

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Usher talks filling Michael Jackson's shoes


For much of his nearly 16-year career, he’s appeared to be groomed as the successor to Michael Jackson, especially since Jackson's death. Raymond isn't facing much competition for the title; Chris Brown is still trying to repair his damaged image, and Justin Timberlake has become a viable movie star.

The show confirms that not only does Raymond believe he’s inherited the crown, but also that he’s a worthy heir to Jackson’s glitter-studded shoes -– the latter of which he literally fills during one point in the show when a sparkling black pair of high-top sneakers mysteriously appear onstage. After announcing to the audience that “when I put these things on, I just ... turn into a ... animal,” he launchess into a moonwalk, almost conjuring Jackson's ghost.

“You know, we lost Michael Jackson. A lot of pressure is on me, and I don’t mind taking it,” he said later. “The overarching impression that I’d like to leave is that, you know, this guy is really stepping it up to a level where people can hopefully compare him to people like [Jackson], and great entertainers of the past.”

Though the tour does offer a startling number of visual nods to “This Is It,” Jackson’s would-be last hurrah, Raymond isn’t so sure he wants to tour as he ages, having told the New York Times earlier this year: “Hopefully, at 40, I won’t have to be on the stage.”

http://latimesblogs.latim...rever.html

rolleyes Keep dreaming Usher lol

Oh hayle naw Usher! bitchfight

He's a nice fella....but damn...pretentious little bugger ain't he?

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Reply #139 posted 11/17/10 9:48pm

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SherryJackson said:

EmeraldSkies said:

rolleyes Keep dreaming Usher lol

Oh hayle naw Usher! bitchfight

He's a nice fella....but damn...pretentious little bugger ain't he?

I admit, I like his songs,but he is never going to a Michael Jackson replacement. Michael is irreplaceable. nod

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Reply #140 posted 11/17/10 9:52pm

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One week til Visions hits. Can't wait to get it.

I know there isn't much on there I haven't seen already or got - but I miss being able to buy something new from Michael. I guess that's why I'm trying to stay optimistic about the whole 'Michael' album.

BTW any news when the Hold Your Hand video will drop?

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Reply #141 posted 11/17/10 9:58pm

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Swa said:

One week til Visions hits. Can't wait to get it.

I know there isn't much on there I haven't seen already or got - but I miss being able to buy something new from Michael. I guess that's why I'm trying to stay optimistic about the whole 'Michael' album.

BTW any news when the Hold Your Hand video will drop?

I hope it ships soon. I ordered it on the 2nd so I deserve to get it earlier hmph!

lol

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Reply #142 posted 11/17/10 10:49pm

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I'm walking my ass right INTO Best Buy to get the Vision DVD I wish that shit WOULD be sold out! I'll flip every damn table over in there! lol

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Reply #143 posted 11/17/10 11:10pm

tangerine7

I didn't get to pre order so I've gotta wait till the 22nd...but yeah I'm walking in and grabbing it up.

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Reply #144 posted 11/17/10 11:15pm

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So I was thinking we all probably have a point of view on how the Estate should run things. So why not give it ago.

how would you do it? Keep in mind you want to protect the legacy, not be seen to be profiting too much, or flooding the market. How would you balance appetite and satisfaction.

Here's how I would.

2010 ‘Michael’ CD

Pull the current ‘Michael’ album as is – and release a cut down mix of 7 songs with 2 remixes.

Bonus tracks of the Cascio songs on iTunes only – let the fans decide if they want them or not.

Release a deluxe version with the finished tracks and the source material as a bonus disc.


2011 – June - OFF THE WALL – Deluxe Box

Fully remastered Off The Wall in both Stereo and 5.1 mix.

Album to contain bonus disc of outtakes and alternate versions.

2011 – August - BAD – Deluxe Box (25th Anniversary)

Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1

Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings

2011 October – THE MASTER - Tour DVD Box Set

Release a MJ LIVE tour box set featuring Bad Tour (Los Angeles), Dangerous Tour (London) HiStory Tour (Sydney – including DS & Come Together)

2011 – November - Jacksons Live DVD set

A triple DVD set of Destiny / Triumph and Victory tours fully restored and remastered featuring behind the scenes featurettes

2011 December ‘Jackson’ (blue eye cover)

12 tracks of unreleased material from 1989 -2009

2012 - January - The Immortal CD & DVD

Release a CD for the Cirque du Solei show as long as it is given the same musical reinvention as The Beatles “Love” album.

2012 – August – Dangerous (21st Anniversary)

Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1

Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings.

2012 – December - Singles Box Set

Release a CD-Single box set of all of Michael’s solo releases for Epic.

Each single will contain the original track listing as the 12” records, and feature original artwork.

2013 – August - HiStory Book II

Fully remastered HiStory album in Stereo and 5.1

Bonus disc to contain extra tracks taken from the History recording sessions.

2013 – December - The Journey – CD Box set

A collection of unreleased demos and recordings from 1979-2001

2014 – February – ‘MJ’ – BioPic worldwide release

2014 - June – 5th Anniversary Tribute

Collection of 25 covers from artists influenced by Michael and his music.

2014 – August - Tribute Concert Pay per View

(Not organised by any Jackson)

DVD released November of that year.

2015 - January - 7 CD

A remix project of 20 classic MJ tracks.

2015 – August – Invincible Deluxe

Fully remastered in stereo and 5.1

Album to contain extra tracks taken from the Invincible sessions.

2015 – December – Thriller – The Complete Sessions

The original mix of Thriller with complete versions of Billie Jean, Lady In My Life.

Bonus remix CD of the album.

Bonus CD of demos and tracks that didn’t make the cut.

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Reply #145 posted 11/17/10 11:21pm

tangerine7

I think the Estate needs a great creative team... There's soo much footage that could be put together.. and Music.

I wanna go through MTV's vaults and my lawd see Michael's personal footage (dreamin') lol

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Reply #146 posted 11/17/10 11:27pm

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Swa said:

So I was thinking we all probably have a point of view on how the Estate should run things. So why not give it ago.

how would you do it? Keep in mind you want to protect the legacy, not be seen to be profiting too much, or flooding the market. How would you balance appetite and satisfaction.

Here's how I would.

2010 ‘Michael’ CD

Pull the current ‘Michael’ album as is – and release a cut down mix of 7 songs with 2 remixes.

Bonus tracks of the Cascio songs on iTunes only – let the fans decide if they want them or not.

Release a deluxe version with the finished tracks and the source material as a bonus disc.


2011 – June - OFF THE WALL – Deluxe Box

Fully remastered Off The Wall in both Stereo and 5.1 mix.

Album to contain bonus disc of outtakes and alternate versions.

2011 – August - BAD – Deluxe Box (25th Anniversary)

Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1

Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings

2011 October – THE MASTER - Tour DVD Box Set

Release a MJ LIVE tour box set featuring Bad Tour (Los Angeles), Dangerous Tour (London) HiStory Tour (Sydney – including DS & Come Together)

2011 – November - Jacksons Live DVD set

A triple DVD set of Destiny / Triumph and Victory tours fully restored and remastered featuring behind the scenes featurettes

2011 December ‘Jackson’ (blue eye cover)

12 tracks of unreleased material from 1989 -2009

2012 - January - The Immortal CD & DVD

Release a CD for the Cirque du Solei show as long as it is given the same musical reinvention as The Beatles “Love” album.

2012 – August – Dangerous (21st Anniversary)

Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1

Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings.

2012 – December - Singles Box Set

Release a CD-Single box set of all of Michael’s solo releases for Epic.

Each single will contain the original track listing as the 12” records, and feature original artwork.

2013 – August - HiStory Book II

Fully remastered HiStory album in Stereo and 5.1

Bonus disc to contain extra tracks taken from the History recording sessions.

2013 – December - The Journey – CD Box set

A collection of unreleased demos and recordings from 1979-2001

2014 – February – ‘MJ’ – BioPic worldwide release

2014 - June – 5th Anniversary Tribute

Collection of 25 covers from artists influenced by Michael and his music.

2014 – August - Tribute Concert Pay per View

(Not organised by any Jackson)

DVD released November of that year.

2015 - January - 7 CD

A remix project of 20 classic MJ tracks.

2015 – August – Invincible Deluxe

Fully remastered in stereo and 5.1

Album to contain extra tracks taken from the Invincible sessions.

2015 – December – Thriller – The Complete Sessions

The original mix of Thriller with complete versions of Billie Jean, Lady In My Life.

Bonus remix CD of the album.

Bonus CD of demos and tracks that didn’t make the cut.

In my opinion, that looks a bit much. All they need to do is re-release MJ's previous albums (Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad. Dangerous, HIStory and Invincible) WITH demos and outtakes, 2 albums of unreleased material, Bad tour DVD and release the Decade album

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Reply #147 posted 11/17/10 11:32pm

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ViintageJunkiie said:

In my opinion, that looks a bit much. All they need to do is re-release MJ's previous albums (Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad. Dangerous, HIStory and Invincible) WITH demos and outtakes, 2 albums of unreleased material, Bad tour DVD and release the Decade album

The Decade album? Do we really need another greatest hits?

So VJ - how would you release them - when how etc.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
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Reply #148 posted 11/17/10 11:33pm

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So I was thinking we all probably have a point of view on how the Estate should run things. So why not give it ago.

how would you do it? Keep in mind you want to protect the legacy, not be seen to be profiting too much, or flooding the market. How would you balance appetite and satisfaction.

Here's how I would.

2010 ‘Michael’ CD

Pull the current ‘Michael’ album as is – and release a cut down mix of 7 songs with 2 remixes.

Bonus tracks of the Cascio songs on iTunes only – let the fans decide if they want them or not.

Release a deluxe version with the finished tracks and the source material as a bonus disc.


2011 – June - OFF THE WALL – Deluxe Box

Fully remastered Off The Wall in both Stereo and 5.1 mix.

Album to contain bonus disc of outtakes and alternate versions.

2011 – August - BAD – Deluxe Box (25th Anniversary)

Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1

Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings

2011 October – THE MASTER - Tour DVD Box Set

Release a MJ LIVE tour box set featuring Bad Tour (Los Angeles), Dangerous Tour (London) HiStory Tour (Sydney – including DS & Come Together)

2011 – November - Jacksons Live DVD set

A triple DVD set of Destiny / Triumph and Victory tours fully restored and remastered featuring behind the scenes featurettes

2011 December ‘Jackson’ (blue eye cover)

12 tracks of unreleased material from 1989 -2009

2012 - January - The Immortal CD & DVD

Release a CD for the Cirque du Solei show as long as it is given the same musical reinvention as The Beatles “Love” album.

2012 – August – Dangerous (21st Anniversary)

Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1

Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings.

2012 – December - Singles Box Set

Release a CD-Single box set of all of Michael’s solo releases for Epic.

Each single will contain the original track listing as the 12” records, and feature original artwork.

2013 – August - HiStory Book II

Fully remastered HiStory album in Stereo and 5.1

Bonus disc to contain extra tracks taken from the History recording sessions.

2013 – December - The Journey – CD Box set

A collection of unreleased demos and recordings from 1979-2001

2014 – February – ‘MJ’ – BioPic worldwide release

2014 - June – 5th Anniversary Tribute

Collection of 25 covers from artists influenced by Michael and his music.

2014 – August - Tribute Concert Pay per View

(Not organised by any Jackson)

DVD released November of that year.

2015 - January - 7 CD

A remix project of 20 classic MJ tracks.

2015 – August – Invincible Deluxe

Fully remastered in stereo and 5.1

Album to contain extra tracks taken from the Invincible sessions.

2015 – December – Thriller – The Complete Sessions

The original mix of Thriller with complete versions of Billie Jean, Lady In My Life.

Bonus remix CD of the album.

Bonus CD of demos and tracks that didn’t make the cut.

If i had to choose one id pick the 2011 Destiny, Victory and Triumph tours fully restored with behind the scenes footage. Can you imagine if that Mike had the 2001 Break of Dawn, Butterflies and Heaven Can Wait tracks. Like Kenny Smith said at the 2000 NBA All Star Game when Vince Carter made those dunks. ITS OVER.....ITS OVER...

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Reply #149 posted 11/17/10 11:36pm

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Swa said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

In my opinion, that looks a bit much. All they need to do is re-release MJ's previous albums (Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad. Dangerous, HIStory and Invincible) WITH demos and outtakes, 2 albums of unreleased material, Bad tour DVD and release the Decade album

The Decade album? Do we really need another greatest hits?

So VJ - how would you release them - when how etc.

I gave you my list already lol release the solo albums (OWT-Invincible) with added demos and outtakes, 2 unreleased albums, a tour dvd and the Decade album

Decade had new tracks on there also

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