Say it. To me its like a fan of a athlete who can't believe or accept there hero is past there prime and the coach plays them limited minutes or wants them to lay a 6th man roll off the bench. This was Sony's mindset in 2001. Mike is still a starter but no longer the go to guy...LOL
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Between Invincible and Number Ones, he sold over 20 million albums. With no tour, only one rotated music video, and only two commercially available singles, one of them (Cry) which was not promoted at all.
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Well they got six more albums to go so we won't get those problems again. | |
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Plus the guy's old records keep being sold in healthy dosages. He never had a "flop". Just compared to that album lol | |
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But they've got like, 9 of those Cascio tracks left. | |
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What? There's more?
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I don't trust those worldwide figures fans be posting. I do trust USA Billboard
Invincible sold 2 million in the USA. Good sales, but not enough to give MJ 20 million dollor videos.
There are artist who sell that much with videos in the under 1 million range.
If your a BAD BOY...Sell your album with a video that cost under 1 million. To me that's BIG PIMPIN....Thats having the attitude my music is off da chain so i dont need a expensive video for ppl to like it. Unfortunately that was not Mike's mindset.
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We've heard demos to
Shake Your Body Down To The Ground Don't Stop Til You Get Enough Workin' Day And Night 2 for Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' Baby Be Mine The Girl Is Mine Beat It 3 for Billie Jean PYT Dangerous In The Closet Give In To Me Keep The Faith Earth Song
Unrelased tracks like Sunset Driver This Is It Love Never Felt So Good Starlight Hot Street Slapstick She's Trouble Carousel Nightline Got The Hots Behind The Mask Much Too Soon State Of Shock There Must Be More To Life Than This Scared Of The Moon Streetwalker Fly Away Cheater For All Time If You Don't Love Me Serious Effect She Got It Work That Body Monkey Business Do You Know Where Your Children Are Man In Black (which is floating around somewhere) I'll Be There '89 Never Can Say Goodbye '89 To Satisfy You Joy In The Back (one of the people worked on it said that there's a more complete version that still hasn't been released) Why
and more...
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Yeah but then people would have bitched about A Place With No Name (leaked snippet) Xscape (full track leaked years ago) and Blue Gangster (leaked as No Friend of Mine).
But I feel you on the 3 questionable tracks.
I think the smart thing to do would have been to release the album as a 9 track and then release the 3 questionable tracks as bonus content on itunes - let the fans decided.
As it is though you can always buy the album on itunes and not buy the 3 tracks you question. "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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To be honest, I think with this album, they wanted RECENT recordings and because Michael was pretty spotty with recording for the last years of his life, that was probably why they had to hunt stuff down
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To think...if everyone who trusted their own country's well documented Billboard stats got together to share and compare that information, I wonder what would happen. What would be the result?
Gee...I wonder...
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Ok so you don't trust worldwide figures - but you have to admit that Invincible sold more worldwide than the 2 million you quote for the USA right?
And while you trust figures - can you provide the source for the $20 million video you keep quoting?
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Most def, but I don't think you'd have fans 50/50 saying "I'm not buying this" or "This isn't him". At the end of the day, those tracks are still commercially unavailable and there's a good chance they could rework those. Xscape, since it sounds like a complete track and not a demo, could have an extended version and/or alternate vocals.
Like I said, I agree that you can't please everyone, but if you would have asked me before Breaking News if I thought this album would have like, 50%+ of fans saying they don't believe his vocals are even on some of these tracks, I'd laugh it off (like I did at the rumors about just that very thing!) | |
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OK, maybe im wrong. Im searching on Google to find the old article. I do know Unbreakable was supposed to be a 20 minute short film with actor Mel Gibson in the video.
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Again - source. Not saying it's not true as he did discuss the Unbreakable video during his webchat but don't recall the Mel Gibson reference.
And its ok to be wrong - all of our memories get muddled with all the rumours and facts we've accumulated in our time. "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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Keep dreaming Usher Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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LOL.. I Love me some Michael Jackson so dont think im a hater. Im the same way with Kobe and the Lakers and honest. Right now Kobe is looking like 2002 Washington Wizards Michael Jordan and Laker fans fans hate when i say that.
But give Off the Wall MJ that 2001 Butterflies track and he would make a simple close up video of his handsome face and its a HIT... | |
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Oh hayle naw Usher!
He's a nice fella....but damn...pretentious little bugger ain't he? | |
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I admit, I like his songs,but he is never going to a Michael Jackson replacement. Michael is irreplaceable. Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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One week til Visions hits. Can't wait to get it.
I know there isn't much on there I haven't seen already or got - but I miss being able to buy something new from Michael. I guess that's why I'm trying to stay optimistic about the whole 'Michael' album.
BTW any news when the Hold Your Hand video will drop? "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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I hope it ships soon. I ordered it on the 2nd so I deserve to get it earlier
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I'm walking my ass right INTO Best Buy to get the Vision DVD I wish that shit WOULD be sold out! I'll flip every damn table over in there! | |
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I didn't get to pre order so I've gotta wait till the 22nd...but yeah I'm walking in and grabbing it up. | |
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So I was thinking we all probably have a point of view on how the Estate should run things. So why not give it ago.
how would you do it? Keep in mind you want to protect the legacy, not be seen to be profiting too much, or flooding the market. How would you balance appetite and satisfaction.
Here's how I would.
2010 ‘Michael’ CD Pull the current ‘Michael’ album as is – and release a cut down mix of 7 songs with 2 remixes. Bonus tracks of the Cascio songs on iTunes only – let the fans decide if they want them or not. Release a deluxe version with the finished tracks and the source material as a bonus disc.
2011 – June - OFF THE WALL – Deluxe Box Fully remastered Off The Wall in both Stereo and 5.1 mix. Album to contain bonus disc of outtakes and alternate versions.
2011 – August - BAD – Deluxe Box (25th Anniversary) Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1 Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings
2011 October – THE MASTER - Tour DVD Box Set Release a MJ LIVE tour box set featuring Bad Tour (Los Angeles), Dangerous Tour (London) HiStory Tour (Sydney – including DS & Come Together)
2011 – November - Jacksons Live DVD set A triple DVD set of Destiny / Triumph and Victory tours fully restored and remastered featuring behind the scenes featurettes
2011 December ‘Jackson’ (blue eye cover) 12 tracks of unreleased material from 1989 -2009
2012 - January - The Immortal CD & DVD Release a CD for the Cirque du Solei show as long as it is given the same musical reinvention as The Beatles “Love” album.
2012 – August – Dangerous (21st Anniversary) Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1 Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings.
2012 – December - Singles Box Set Release a CD-Single box set of all of Michael’s solo releases for Epic. Each single will contain the original track listing as the 12” records, and feature original artwork.
2013 – August - HiStory Book II Fully remastered HiStory album in Stereo and 5.1 Bonus disc to contain extra tracks taken from the History recording sessions.
2013 – December - The Journey – CD Box set A collection of unreleased demos and recordings from 1979-2001
2014 – February – ‘MJ’ – BioPic worldwide release 2014 - June – 5th Anniversary Tribute Collection of 25 covers from artists influenced by Michael and his music.
2014 – August - Tribute Concert Pay per View (Not organised by any Jackson) DVD released November of that year.
2015 - January - 7 CD A remix project of 20 classic MJ tracks.
2015 – August – Invincible Deluxe Fully remastered in stereo and 5.1 Album to contain extra tracks taken from the Invincible sessions.
2015 – December – Thriller – The Complete Sessions The original mix of Thriller with complete versions of Billie Jean, Lady In My Life. Bonus remix CD of the album. Bonus CD of demos and tracks that didn’t make the cut.
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I think the Estate needs a great creative team... There's soo much footage that could be put together.. and Music.
I wanna go through MTV's vaults and my lawd see Michael's personal footage (dreamin') | |
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In my opinion, that looks a bit much. All they need to do is re-release MJ's previous albums (Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad. Dangerous, HIStory and Invincible) WITH demos and outtakes, 2 albums of unreleased material, Bad tour DVD and release the Decade album | |
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The Decade album? Do we really need another greatest hits?
So VJ - how would you release them - when how etc. "I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love" | |
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If i had to choose one id pick the 2011 Destiny, Victory and Triumph tours fully restored with behind the scenes footage. Can you imagine if that Mike had the 2001 Break of Dawn, Butterflies and Heaven Can Wait tracks. Like Kenny Smith said at the 2000 NBA All Star Game when Vince Carter made those dunks. ITS OVER.....ITS OVER... | |
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I gave you my list already release the solo albums (OWT-Invincible) with added demos and outtakes, 2 unreleased albums, a tour dvd and the Decade album
Decade had new tracks on there also | |
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