I see alot of Mj fans that don't even mention any of his music before Bad which is a shame to me.

babybugz said:

I see alot of Mj fans that don't even mention any of his music before Bad which is a shame to me.

Sure is. I like everything. It's a whole to me like a painting.

tangerine7 said:

babybugz said:

I see alot of Mj fans that don't even mention any of his music before Bad which is a shame to me.

Sure is. I like everything. It's a whole to me like a painting.

I love everything too Off The Wall and Dangerous are my two favorite albums . Just alot of fans skip over all the early music which is not good.

babybugz said:

tangerine7 said:

Sure is. I like everything. It's a whole to me like a painting.

I love everything too Off The Wall and Dangerous are my two favorite albums . Just alot of fans skip over all the early music which is not good.

I notice that as well. I don't get it. the early stuff is great. including motown-philly-jacksons period. I really love it all the way through. I was born in 77' so Off The Wall ,Thriller & Bad are close to me,but I feel the flavor from behind OTW and past Dangerous.

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Do DVDs come out in America on Mondays or is Tuesdays like CDs?

Vanilli said:

Do DVDs come out in America on Mondays or is Tuesdays like CDs?

well.. I know Vision DVD comes out here Monday

babybugz said:

I see alot of Mj fans that don't even mention any of his music before Bad which is a shame to me.

That's a problem as well.

babybugz said:

I see alot of Mj fans that don't even mention any of his music before Bad which is a shame to me.

Probably in response to all the people who discount his later works? To disregard BOTH is to totally ignore his growth and evolution as an artist.

That being said, I like his work with the Jacksons, but I, personally, find that some people tend to overrate Destiny a bit. =/ Though I can see why some people may tend to be more drawn towards it (earlier work), especially some of the fans on this board. It's way more funk flavored than a lot of his later works tend to be, imo.

Otoh, I find that his later works are way better written and he's exploring way more areas than he did in a lot of his earlier works and they sound a lot richer. You can hear way more influences in his later works and it's interesting to hear how he incorporates that in his own sound. In reality I appreciate everything, because all of his work, especially the stuff he penned or even co-penned himself, is a reflection of him as an artist. I also think it's interesting that people claim that his 'creative roll' stopped at a certain point, which always happened to be around the time that they started disliking the music that was coming from him. I don't feel that there was a time when he was just like "Fuck it. Whatever I give whatever and call it a day." I mean, all artists have their peaks and lows. He's no different. I just disagree with people who claim it stopped after Thriller dropped.

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tangerine7 said:

Vanilli said:

Do DVDs come out in America on Mondays or is Tuesdays like CDs?

well.. I know Vision DVD comes out here Monday

Is here America or another country? Trying to figure out when it comes out in America

and when it will be stocked.

Unholyalliance said:

babybugz said:

I see alot of Mj fans that don't even mention any of his music before Bad which is a shame to me.

Probably in response to all the people who discount his later works? To disregard BOTH is to totally ignore his growth and evolution as an artist.

That being said, I like his work with the Jacksons, but I, personally, find that some people tend to overrate Destiny a bit. =/ Though I can see why some people may tend to be more drawn towards it (earlier work), especially some of the fans on this board. It's way more funk flavored than a lot of his later works tend to be, imo.

Otoh, I find that his later works are way better written and he's exploring way more areas than he did in a lot of his earlier works and they sound a lot richer. You can hear way more influences in his later works and it's interesting to hear how he incorporates that in his own sound. In reality I appreciate everything, because all of his work, especially the stuff he penned or even co-penned himself, is a reflection of him as an artist. I also think it's interesting that people claim that his 'creative roll' stopped at a certain point, which always happened to be around the time that they started disliking the music that was coming from him. I don't feel that there was a time when he was just like "Fuck it. Whatever I give whatever and call it a day." I mean, all artists have their peaks and lows. He's no different. I just disagree with people who claim it stopped after Thriller dropped.

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I love that too I feel he evolve as a artist in his later albums. Some times I stay in the later days sometimes I'm in the early days it depends on how I feel that day lol. I think if you grew up with him you will probably be more fond of his early stuff. I'm in my early 20's and I happen to love The off the wall/ Triumph days but it doesn't really matter.

Vanilli said:

tangerine7 said:

well.. I know Vision DVD comes out here Monday

Is here America or another country? Trying to figure out when it comes out in America

and when it will be stocked.

Yes..America.

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babybugz said:

I love that too I feel he evolve as a artist in his later albums. Some times I stay in the later days sometimes I'm in the early days it depends on how I feel that day lol. I think if you grew up with him you will probably be more fond of his early stuff. I'm in my early 20's and I happen to love The off the wall/ Triumph days but it doesn't really matter.

Well, I know that even though I grew up with a lot of his earlier work I tend to appreciate his later work, especially post-Thriller. As much as I love the fact that he began exploring way more avenues in Dangerous, my favorites from him will always be HIStory and Blood on the Dancefloor. Out of his earlier works with the Jacksons I still prefer Triumph.

Off the Wall, out of all of his albums, contain way too many songs that I highly dislike.

Unholyalliance said:

babybugz said:

I love that too I feel he evolve as a artist in his later albums. Some times I stay in the later days sometimes I'm in the early days it depends on how I feel that day lol. I think if you grew up with him you will probably be more fond of his early stuff. I'm in my early 20's and I happen to love The off the wall/ Triumph days but it doesn't really matter.

Well, I know that even though I grew up with a lot of his earlier work I tend to appreciate his later work, especially post-Thriller. As much as I love the fact that he began exploring way more avenues in Dangerous, my favorites from him will always be HIStory and Blood on the Dancefloor. Out of his earlier works with the Jacksons I still prefer Triumph.

Off the Wall, out of all of his albums, contain way too many songs that I highly dislike.

Really? I love Off The Wall , maybe it's a certain sound you prefer from him. History and Blood on the dancefloor are more edgy , I seemed to listen to Blood on the dancefloor more now.

Militant said:

Swa said:

Hold My Hand was recorded at The Palms though - a more professional studio than what I assume the Cascio's set up was.

Also anyone in a studio will tell you different mics will give you different vocal treatments. As will processing, gating etc.

We are all use to Bruce Swedien's mic arrangement and genius engineering as well, so comparisons will differ.

Again hopefully this gets resolved soon enough but I doubt it will to anyone's satisfaction.

Not a valid argument my dude.

As I said, I record professionally in multi-million dollar studios all the time. Just this past Summer, for example, I was at Metalworks in Toronto mixing for 3 days. That's the studio where Prince recorded Musicology, and you KNOW a studio is good if Prince records there, especially since he has his own studios at Paisley Park.

Now, the total cost of my home studio in my bedroom is less than $1000 dollars. I have a couple of budget mics, a simple audio interface, my PC and some instruments. I don't even have professional audio monitors at home right now. I write my songs in my home studio, do some light mixing, and then I take all the multitracks to my cousins REDONKULOUSLY expensive studio where the room itself was purpose built from scratch as a recording studio, he has a full Pro Tools rig and some of the most expensive gear money can buy. So, I take my demo's there and mix the music there properly, use the home vocals as guide vox and then re-record the vocals properly on an incredible mic that costs a few grand with an amazing preamp.

If you play a mix I did at home with the final versions back to back, the difference is clear. One sounds like a guy in his bedroom with budget equipment and one sounds like a million dollar professional mix that could be any song in the Billboard Top Ten (in terms of professionialism and engineering). But no matter what, it's always obviously the same guy. No matter how much the vocals are processed. It's still me. It's obviously me on both versions.

Michael could jump into the bottom of a well and record a vocal on a $10 tape recorder, and I bet everything I own that I could take that hypothetical tape and run the vocal through every single vocal processing plugin and effects unit in my cousins studio and you would still be able to tell it was Michael.

And of course, the flipside of that is that Jason Malachi or James Porte could walk into literally the most expensive studio in the world with the best gear, hell they could even have a 24 hour sesson with Seth Riggs entitled "How to sing like Michael Jackson" and then process the living fuck out of whatever they recorded with Bruce Swedien pulling out every trick in the book....and we would STILL be able to tell that it's NOT Michael.

I understand you are trying to be balanced here, but there's no excuses for why these vocals don't sound like Michael. There's no excuse as to why they have nothing in common with the hundreds of songs MJ recorded over the best part of 40 years. They sound different because they are coming from a different person. Period.

And they've layered in adlibs and samples from other Michael songs to obfuscate the truth and to try and trick people.

Just had to point out that part made me smile.

Now I know a lot of people feel it's not Michael and others think it is.

As I said I am trying to explore potentials and see where things pan out - and as I've always said will admit when I am wrong if it gets proven so.

Not trying to convince one way or the other - just offering a balance.

I hope it all gets resolved soon enough.

babybugz said:

tangerine7 said:

Sure is. I like everything. It's a whole to me like a painting.

I love everything too Off The Wall and Dangerous are my two favorite albums . Just alot of fans skip over all the early music which is not good.

Everyone needs to get hip to Forever Michael [1975]

^^ Don't be posting Dear Michael, lol. You'll get people it can't be him singing cause he would never say his own name in a song.

IT'S A JOKE PEOPLE!

Cinnie said:

babybugz said:

I love everything too Off The Wall and Dangerous are my two favorite albums . Just alot of fans skip over all the early music which is not good.

Everyone needs to get hip to Forever Michael [1975]

I want to own that album.

Swa said:

^^ Don't be posting Dear Michael, lol. You'll get people it can't be him singing cause he would never say his own name in a song.

IT'S A JOKE PEOPLE!

Swa said:

^^ Don't be posting Dear Michael, lol. You'll get people it can't be him singing cause he would never say his own name in a song.

IT'S A JOKE PEOPLE!

Oh no you didn't

Mine cracked

I have an old lp I still gotta hunt down the Cd again n

When people think of Michael's music certain songs always seem to pop up.

One song that whilst a great single never seems to get the accolades it deserves in the mix of his greatest songs is Remember The Time. Every time I hear it I just get caught up in this perfect pop r&b hook.

One of his finest and worth playing:

Swa said:

When people think of Michael's music certain songs always seem to pop up.

One song that whilst a great single never seems to get the accolades it deserves in the mix of his greatest songs is Remember The Time. Every time I hear it I just get caught up in this perfect pop r&b hook.

Love that song. Love the video. Love the his outfit. Love the choreography. Love the gold kitty litter at the end.

Though, I think it depends on the crowd. I think that song was a bigger r&b hit rather than a pop one.

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tangerine7 said:

Mine cracked

I have an old lp I still gotta hunt down the Cd again n

Mightas well scoop Hello World

Thought I'd share an interesting conversation I had with a boy in my public speaking class...He tried to pick me up using my fandom.

Him: 4:47pm

watch that smooth criminal thing

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ljuZ7gx1i8

thats the link

Me: 4:49pm

not really impressed

sorry

Him: 4:49pm

Lol. Not your style.

This song is one of my mainstays

it's from a chilean band

http://www.youtube.com/wa...f5_OlqGRcU

So it's in spanish

But I think you'll get a general idea of the stuff I like

Me: 4:51pm

ever heard the This Is It version of Smooth Cirminal?

now that's the s**t right there

http://www.youtube.com/wa...sV-tqpgi80

that movie is awesome

Him: 4:54pm

Lol. Sorry nah. I like the original

this slap bass is kinda annoying

Me: 4:54pm

*faint

smh

ok fine

Him: 4:54pm

smh?...

Me: 4:54pm

Shake my head

well, if you're really an MJ fan...watch This Is It...

Him: 4:55pm

Lol. Its one of my most favourite songs ever

Me: 4:55pm

i love SC

Him: 4:55pm

Lol, I grew up on Mj

My dad used to buy MJ music video tapes from the states and stuff for my B'day when I was a kid

coz we really did not get shit back home

Me: 4:56pm

alrighty...

well...here you go

http://www.mjtunes.com/

MJ radio

Him: 4:57pm

Lol. Ok your officially psycho chick now.

Why aren't you studying music if your so into it

Me: 4:58pm

pardon my language but f**k you

I'm not psychotic

I just happen to admire him very much

and appreciate his music

I am studying music fyi

Him: 4:59pm

Thats the kinda defense I expect from a psycho chick.

Me: 4:59pm

then why are you talking to me

if you're sane, I don't wanna be you

Him: 4:59pm

Lol, now now. I was joking. No need to get all suicide bomber on me.

Me: 4:59pm

suicide bomber?

*smh

Him: 5:00pm

Lol

Defiitely Aquarius

Me: 5:00pm

and wtf are you? A damn genius?

Him: 5:01pm

Well in the Zodiac context, I'm just plain ol' Taurus.

But no. I wouldn't consider myself a genius.

Me: 5:03pm

*rolls eyes

You know...calling me a psycho doesn't endear you to me

and frankly I find it offensive

I figured you werent really a fan

not like the ones I know

Him: 5:04pm

Lol, alright. I'm sorry then.

Me: 5:04pm

Sure...

Him: 5:05pm

What kind of fans do you know?

Me: 5:05pm

several

from all over the world

all of them love Michael

and we share demos, outtakes, music, experiences, etc

I know over 200 MJ fans

Him: 5:06pm

Interesting.

Me: 5:06pm

We're a different breed of fan

you've never seen anything quite like it

the love, the connection

it's amazing

nobody can inspire people to come together through music like this other than him. Not only that..but some geniunely want to make a change within themselves

to make the world a better place

think about that before you go off calling me a psycho

SherryJackson said:

Him: 4:57pm

Lol. Ok your officially psycho chick now.

Why aren't you studying music if your so into it

Me: 4:58pm

pardon my language but f**k you

I'm not psychotic

I just happen to admire him very much

and appreciate his music

I am studying music fyi

Him: 4:59pm

Thats the kinda defense I expect from a psycho chick.

Me: 4:59pm

then why are you talking to me

if you're sane, I don't wanna be you

Him: 4:59pm

Lol, now now. I was joking. No need to get all suicide bomber on me.

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lol wtf? Is this some new slang I'm, apparently, not hip to?

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SherryJackson said:

Thought I'd share an interesting conversation I had with a boy in my public speaking class...He tried to pick me up using my fandom.

gerl don't even trip. i feel like i go thru that all the time. all types of irrelevant content being thrown my way in an attempt to interest me or make a connection.

Cinnie said:

SherryJackson said:

Thought I'd share an interesting conversation I had with a boy in my public speaking class...He tried to pick me up using my fandom.

gerl don't even trip. i feel like i go thru that all the time. all types of irrelevant content being thrown my way in an attempt to interest me or make a connection.

You should see the internet stalkers I come across....

Here are the proper framing for all of MJ's videos on vision.
Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough 1.33:1
Rock With You 1.33:1
She's Out of My Life 1.33:1
Billie Jean 1.33:1
Beat It 1.33:1
Thriller 1.33:1 tv version, Theater screenings in 84 were matted at 1.85:1. I'm unsure if Landis framed it this way. But the lighting flub in the graveyard may have meant to be matted off.
Bad 1.33:1
The Way You Make Me Feel 1.33:1
Man In the Mirror (1.33:1 for news/montage version/ Matted 1.85:1 Moonwalker version)
Dirty Diana 1.33:1
Smooth Criminal (1.33:1 tv version/ Matted 1.85:1 Moonwalker version)
Another Part of Me 1.33:1
Speed Demon 1.33:1 tv version/ Matted 1.85:1 Moonwalker version
Come Together 1.33:1 tv version/ Matted 1.85:1 Moonwalker version
Leave Me Alone 1.85:1 (because it was created using optical effects it has a fixed Aspect ratio, this is why even in Full Screen versions of Moonwalker it is letterboxed)
Liberian Girl 1.33:1
Black or White 1.33:1
Remember The Time 1.85:1
In the Closet 1.33:1
Jam 1.66:1
Heal The World 1.33:1
Give In To Me 1.33:1
Who Is It 2.35:1
Will You Be There 1.85:1 (Although someone mentioned that it appears anamorphic on the vision dvd. Strange because the video uses footage from the MTV special, which was early 90's broadcast video, which certainly wasn't anamorphic. I'm interested to see what the deal is quality wise for this video. EDIT: I have learned the letterboxing was done in the edit in 1992. By that doesn't make the video in true 16x9, in fact when blown up to 16x9 is looses so much quality it's probably not worth it.)
Gone Too Soon 1.33:1
Scream 1.33:1
Childhood 1.85:1
You Are Not Alone 1.33:1
Earth Song 1.33:1
They Don't Care About Us 1.33:1 Both versions
Stranger In Moskow 1.85:1
Blood On The Dancefloor 1.33:1 All versions
Ghosts 1.33:1 tv version/ Matted 1.85:1 theater version
You Rock My World 1.85:1
Cry 2:35:1

babybugz said:

I see alot of Mj fans that don't even mention any of his music before Bad which is a shame to me.

Off The Wall is the only MJ album I can listen to without skipping over any songs.

from MJJC

Mine arrived this morning and it's fantastic

Some of the videos are in great quality, some not so good (obviously the older videos arn't as HQ as his later one). But the packaging and the booklet are really nicely designed and put together. I'm watching on my Blu Ray player and some of them look gorgeous - RTT in particular " src="http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/bigsmile.gif" border="0" alt="" />

BOTDF is the remix video though, and not the album version. Seems odd " src="http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/doh.gif" border="0" alt="" />

Shame Ghosts is the edit and not the full 30 minute version too... hopefully that is to follow on DVD (or BR ) next year!

All in all it's definately on of MJs better collections

i also received my box from Amazon in the US today.
The packaging and booklet are very nicely done, especially the cover, really neat.
I haven't compared directly with the HIStory or Dangerous DVD's, but
here are some thoughts after quickly skimming through the DVD's:

I really don't think much remastering or restoration went into these.
Most of the videos look very soft, lack of definition, while some videos have boosted colors.
Remember The Time, Jam, Will You Be There, Who Is It, Childhood, Stranger In Moscow, U Rock My World and Cry are 16x9 while the rest are 4x3.
However, I believe that Remember, Jam, WYBT are cropped to fill the 16x9 frame, not sure why they did that.
And also DVD's only have 2.0 LPCM audio, that is really unacceptable in 2010 for a major release like this.
Yes folks, this is another cash grab from Sony.
This is NOT the definitive MJ short films package we all wanted as far as actual video/audio quality goes.
I'm sure they will release it on BD in the future, we'll see what they give us then.
I'm kinda disappointed with this.