I'm surprised no one has picked up the similarity between this and MJ's 'Ghosts'...go back and take a listen...compare the strings in the chorus...sing over it if you have to...an earlier version perhaps?...
By the time Bad came around MJ had already past his prime, something that all the Bad/Dangerous era fans can't bear to hear.
This is just your opinion and hardly a fact. Past his prime at what?
As a songwriter, he didn't even hit his peak until the mid 90's. The Bad era was his peak as a dancer. And vocally, he did things in the 90's that blow away much of what he was doing in the 70's and 80's.
And as far as total artistic vision, Bad and Dangerous were his peak. Look at the full videos for things like "Smooth Criminal", "Leave Me Alone", "Remember The Time" and "Black Or White". That stuff is on a whole next level to anything he had done prior. The tours, too.
You seem like you have a chip on your shoulder about something. But from an unbiased perspective, all of the above are straight up facts. Maybe it's YOU that can't bear to hear that.
As for seeing Michael up close, while I may not have been in an advert like BabyBeMine's friend or whatever, I WAS at the HIStory tour at Wembley in London. Not that any of that stuff really makes any difference, my manager's wife was one of the main people responsible for the marketing of "Thriller" as she used to work at Epic, and therefore knew Michael and had meetings with him on a regular basis. Doesn't make her opinion any more valid than anyone else's unless it's to do with something she had a direct involvement with.
What you said is an opinion too. The last 20 years of his life he did 3.5 albums, that is not very creative to me. And quite frankly I believe albums like Destiny and Triumph which he co-wrote with his brothers were far superior than anything he did on Bad, Dangerous or History. They hardly get the credit they deserve. They may not have sold the millions of the likes of Thriller and Bad, but that's not saying much. Also way before History MJ was writing biographic material on albums like Destiny. Listen to "That's What You get for being polite" and "Destiny".
Has for his dancing, MJ dancing became more choregraphy in the late 80s to 90s, but he became less spontaneous as a dancer, which I think was ashame. Imo the amateurish videos of Don't Blame It On the Boggie and Don't Stop Till You Get Enough get my vote over over-blown videos like Black and White and Scream.
This is just your opinion and hardly a fact. Past his prime at what?
As a songwriter, he didn't even hit his peak until the mid 90's. The Bad era was his peak as a dancer. And vocally, he did things in the 90's that blow away much of what he was doing in the 70's and 80's.
And as far as total artistic vision, Bad and Dangerous were his peak. Look at the full videos for things like "Smooth Criminal", "Leave Me Alone", "Remember The Time" and "Black Or White". That stuff is on a whole next level to anything he had done prior. The tours, too.
You seem like you have a chip on your shoulder about something. But from an unbiased perspective, all of the above are straight up facts. Maybe it's YOU that can't bear to hear that.
As for seeing Michael up close, while I may not have been in an advert like BabyBeMine's friend or whatever, I WAS at the HIStory tour at Wembley in London. Not that any of that stuff really makes any difference, my manager's wife was one of the main people responsible for the marketing of "Thriller" as she used to work at Epic, and therefore knew Michael and had meetings with him on a regular basis. Doesn't make her opinion any more valid than anyone else's unless it's to do with something she had a direct involvement with.
What you said is an opinion too. The last 20 years of his life he did 3.5 albums, that is not very creative to me. And quite frankly I believe albums like Destiny and Triumph which he co-wrote with his brothers were far superior than anything he did on Bad, Dangerous or History. They hardly get the credit they deserve. They may not have sold the millions of the likes of Thriller and Bad, but that's not saying much. Also way before History MJ was writing biographic material on albums like Destiny. Listen to "That's What You get for being polite" and "Destiny".
Has for his dancing, MJ dancing became more choregraphy in the late 80s to 90s, but he became less spontaneous as a dancer, which I think was ashame. Imo the amateurish videos of Don't Blame It On the Boggie and Don't Stop Till You Get Enough get my vote over over-blown videos like Black and White and Scream.
Both of those albums were conceived by Michael mostly. I think of the brothers, Randy played almost as huge of a role followed by Jackie. Then Tito and Marlon. But it was mainly Michael on those albums (Destiny and Triumph). In fact, the MJ sound started with Destiny. There were some signs in the latter Motown period and the Jacksons' first couple of albums with Philadelphia International but Destiny was the start. I think it's really a Michael Jackson solo album...almost.
I'm surprised no one has picked up the similarity between this and MJ's 'Ghosts'...go back and take a listen...compare the strings in the chorus...sing over it if you have to...an earlier version perhaps?...
Just conjecture...
Funky though.
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[Edited 11/20/10 15:20pm]
I think it sound like "Morphine" & "Jam" Dangerous period.HIStory.BOTDF If it's real we'll find out..
What you said is an opinion too. The last 20 years of his life he did 3.5 albums, that is not very creative to me. And quite frankly I believe albums like Destiny and Triumph which he co-wrote with his brothers were far superior than anything he did on Bad, Dangerous or History. They hardly get the credit they deserve. They may not have sold the millions of the likes of Thriller and Bad, but that's not saying much. Also way before History MJ was writing biographic material on albums like Destiny. Listen to "That's What You get for being polite" and "Destiny".
Has for his dancing, MJ dancing became more choregraphy in the late 80s to 90s, but he became less spontaneous as a dancer, which I think was ashame. Imo the amateurish videos of Don't Blame It On the Boggie and Don't Stop Till You Get Enough get my vote over over-blown videos like Black and White and Scream.
It's about quality, not quantity.
Triumph, I actually agree with you there. I prefer that album to both "Thriller" AND "Off The Wall". Destiny, not so much. Triumph definately does not get the respect it deserves. That album is a masterpiece, and MJ had a hand in the production too which is defo worthy of props.
Choreography by it's nature is not spontaneous, but if you've ever tried to pull off that choreography yourself, you realize it is no easy task.
What you said is an opinion too. The last 20 years of his life he did 3.5 albums, that is not very creative to me. And quite frankly I believe albums like Destiny and Triumph which he co-wrote with his brothers were far superior than anything he did on Bad, Dangerous or History. They hardly get the credit they deserve. They may not have sold the millions of the likes of Thriller and Bad, but that's not saying much. Also way before History MJ was writing biographic material on albums like Destiny. Listen to "That's What You get for being polite" and "Destiny".
Has for his dancing, MJ dancing became more choregraphy in the late 80s to 90s, but he became less spontaneous as a dancer, which I think was ashame. Imo the amateurish videos of Don't Blame It On the Boggie and Don't Stop Till You Get Enough get my vote over over-blown videos like Black and White and Scream.
Both of those albums were conceived by Michael mostly. I think of the brothers, Randy played almost as huge of a role followed by Jackie. Then Tito and Marlon. But it was mainly Michael on those albums (Destiny and Triumph). In fact, the MJ sound started with Destiny. There were some signs in the latter Motown period and the Jacksons' first couple of albums with Philadelphia International but Destiny was the start. I think it's really a Michael Jackson solo album...almost.
But that's what I am saying. Albums like Destiny do not get the recognition of his official solo work. Yet in part albums like Destiny and Triumph are superior to his some of his solo albums. The difference between an album like Destiny and History is the genre and his brothers are on it. Destiny was more soulful, like most of MJ earlier work. Obviously if your not a RnB fan, than his earlier albums would not mean much to you.
I'm surprised no one has picked up the similarity between this and MJ's 'Ghosts'...go back and take a listen...compare the strings in the chorus...sing over it if you have to...an earlier version perhaps?...
Just conjecture...
Funky though.
.
[Edited 11/20/10 15:20pm]
I think it sound like "Morphine" & "Jam" Dangerous period.HIStory.BOTDF If it's real we'll find out..
Both of those albums were conceived by Michael mostly. I think of the brothers, Randy played almost as huge of a role followed by Jackie. Then Tito and Marlon. But it was mainly Michael on those albums (Destiny and Triumph). In fact, the MJ sound started with Destiny. There were some signs in the latter Motown period and the Jacksons' first couple of albums with Philadelphia International but Destiny was the start. I think it's really a Michael Jackson solo album...almost.
But that's what I am saying. Albums like Destiny do not get the recognition of his official solo work. Yet in part albums like Destiny and Triumph are superior to his some of his solo albums. The difference between an album like Destiny and History is the genre and his brothers are on it. Destiny was more soulful, like most of MJ earlier work. Obviously if your not a RnB fan, than his earlier albums would not mean much to you.
No duh. Obviously I love all his R&B stuff (from Motown onwards) but I love the diversity he put out with every album.
I think it sound like "Morphine" & "Jam" Dangerous period.HIStory.BOTDF If it's real we'll find out..
Sure tangerine7...various drum sounds, effects, pops & whistles...but have you compared the overall song to 'Ghosts?'...just sounds like it...to my ear anyway...
What you said is an opinion too. The last 20 years of his life he did 3.5 albums, that is not very creative to me. And quite frankly I believe albums like Destiny and Triumph which he co-wrote with his brothers were far superior than anything he did on Bad, Dangerous or History. They hardly get the credit they deserve. They may not have sold the millions of the likes of Thriller and Bad, but that's not saying much. Also way before History MJ was writing biographic material on albums like Destiny. Listen to "That's What You get for being polite" and "Destiny".
Has for his dancing, MJ dancing became more choregraphy in the late 80s to 90s, but he became less spontaneous as a dancer, which I think was ashame. Imo the amateurish videos of Don't Blame It On the Boggie and Don't Stop Till You Get Enough get my vote over over-blown videos like Black and White and Scream.
It's about quality, not quantity.
Triumph, I actually agree with you there. I prefer that album to both "Thriller" AND "Off The Wall". Destiny, not so much. Triumph definately does not get the respect it deserves. That album is a masterpiece, and MJ had a hand in the production too which is defo worthy of props.
Choreography by it's nature is not spontaneous, but if you've ever tried to pull off that choreography yourself, you realize it is no easy task.
I am talking about quality. Sorry I don't think much of Bad. Dangerous would have been better if it was cut shorter and flowed better(say what you want about Quincy but he knew how to make an album flow). History was autobiographic, but so was Destiny to a certain extent and it sounded a whole lot better.
As for the excuses of why he took so long between albums, well before the controversies and having kids he was already leaving 4 to 5 years between albums. Unlike OTW and Thriller where he was making albums with his brothers inbetween his solo efforts. He was doing much less musically well before the scandals and him having children.
What you said is an opinion too. The last 20 years of his life he did 3.5 albums, that is not very creative to me. And quite frankly I believe albums like Destiny and Triumph which he co-wrote with his brothers were far superior than anything he did on Bad, Dangerous or History. They hardly get the credit they deserve. They may not have sold the millions of the likes of Thriller and Bad, but that's not saying much. Also way before History MJ was writing biographic material on albums like Destiny. Listen to "That's What You get for being polite" and "Destiny".
Has for his dancing, MJ dancing became more choregraphy in the late 80s to 90s, but he became less spontaneous as a dancer, which I think was ashame. Imo the amateurish videos of Don't Blame It On the Boggie and Don't Stop Till You Get Enough get my vote over over-blown videos like Black and White and Scream.
It's about quality, not quantity.
Triumph, I actually agree with you there. I prefer that album to both "Thriller" AND "Off The Wall". Destiny, not so much. Triumph definately does not get the respect it deserves. That album is a masterpiece, and MJ had a hand in the production too which is defo worthy of props.
Choreography by it's nature is not spontaneous, but if you've ever tried to pull off that choreography yourself, you realize it is no easy task.
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Triumph, I actually agree with you there. I prefer that album to both "Thriller" AND "Off The Wall". Destiny, not so much. Triumph definately does not get the respect it deserves. That album is a masterpiece, and MJ had a hand in the production too which is defo worthy of props.
Choreography by it's nature is not spontaneous, but if you've ever tried to pull off that choreography yourself, you realize it is no easy task.
I am talking about quality. Sorry I don't think much of Bad. Dangerous would have been better if it was cut shorter and flowed better(say what you want about Quincy but he knew how to make an album flow). History was autobiographic, but so was Destiny to a certain extent and it sounded a whole lot better.
As for the excuses of why he took so long between albums, well before the controversies and having kids he was already leaving 4 to 5 years between albums. Unlike OTW and Thriller where he was making albums with his brothers inbetween his solo efforts. He was doing much less musically well before the scandals and him having children.
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Like I said, he would work on songs and then either put them up for later reworkings when he felt the songs didn't fit what he was possibly seeking in the tracks. Michael was a perfectionist. If he felt a track was not right, he'll work on another one. Wasn't like Michael was lazy. Oh yeah and he had tours during those "5 year breaks" with the obvious exception of the Invincible album, which its promotion stopped because he didn't like the way Sony handled it.
I am talking about quality. Sorry I don't think much of Bad. Dangerous would have been better if it was cut shorter and flowed better(say what you want about Quincy but he knew how to make an album flow). History was autobiographic, but so was Destiny to a certain extent and it sounded a whole lot better.
As for the excuses of why he took so long between albums, well before the controversies and having kids he was already leaving 4 to 5 years between albums. Unlike OTW and Thriller where he was making albums with his brothers inbetween his solo efforts. He was doing much less musically well before the scandals and him having children.
[Edited 11/20/10 15:56pm]
Like I said, he would work on songs and then either put them up for later reworkings when he felt the songs didn't fit what he was possibly seeking in the tracks. Michael was a perfectionist. If he felt a track was not right, he'll work on another one. Wasn't like Michael was lazy. Oh yeah and he had tours during those "5 year breaks" with the obvious exception of the Invincible album, which its promotion stopped because he didn't like the way Sony handled it.
He toured also in between making Triumph and Thriller. Infact Triumph is seen as one of the best tours of the 80s. What I am trying to say within a 4 year span between 78 & 82 he did more, musically than he did for the last 20 years of his career. It was quality and quantity and those who were old enough to witness it, would say that was definetly MJ in his prime, musically.
Like I said, he would work on songs and then either put them up for later reworkings when he felt the songs didn't fit what he was possibly seeking in the tracks. Michael was a perfectionist. If he felt a track was not right, he'll work on another one. Wasn't like Michael was lazy. Oh yeah and he had tours during those "5 year breaks" with the obvious exception of the Invincible album, which its promotion stopped because he didn't like the way Sony handled it.
He toured also in between making Triumph and Thriller. Infact Triumph is seen as one of the best tours of the 80s. What I am trying to say within a 4 year span between 78 & 82 he did more, musically than he did for the last 20 years of his career. It was quality and quantity and those who were old enough to witness it, would say that was definetly MJ in his prime, musically.
I guess. But I think that was just the point. Michael also said he hated to tour so he had the freedom to not do that too. As for his albums meaning quality or quantity, well he also said he didn't wanna make anymore pop albums and if he was, it would only to be sure that people know he was still "the king of pop". Of course he never got to finish that record as we all know unfortunately.
He toured also in between making Triumph and Thriller. Infact Triumph is seen as one of the best tours of the 80s. What I am trying to say within a 4 year span between 78 & 82 he did more, musically than he did for the last 20 years of his career. It was quality and quantity and those who were old enough to witness it, would say that was definetly MJ in his prime, musically.
I guess. But I think that was just the point. Michael also said he hated to tour so he had the freedom to not do that too. As for his albums meaning quality or quantity, well he also said he didn't wanna make anymore pop albums and if he was, it would only to be sure that people know he was still "the king of pop". Of course he never got to finish that record as we all know unfortunately.
Well as some one who has been following MJ career from the 70s, MJ was on such a creative roll between 78 and 84, for those old enough to remember it was so beautiful to witness. But after the Victory tour that creative roll stopped. I don't think recording albums every 4 years made them better albums, they just sounded more contrieved.
I guess. But I think that was just the point. Michael also said he hated to tour so he had the freedom to not do that too. As for his albums meaning quality or quantity, well he also said he didn't wanna make anymore pop albums and if he was, it would only to be sure that people know he was still "the king of pop". Of course he never got to finish that record as we all know unfortunately.
Well as some one who has been following MJ career from the 70s, MJ was on such a creative roll between 78 and 84, for those old enough to remember it was so beautiful to witness. But after the Victory tour that creative roll stopped. I don't think recording albums every 4 years made them better albums, they just sounded more contrieved.
Thriller happened.
BUT to me, his latter albums definitely have great moments in it. Like Bad for instance.
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