trueiopian said:

Aha! I love how his #1 fans (Gray, phunk and Cotontige) keep coming back in here to check up on him.

I like R Kelly, not a fan, but I like him, but you're acting like a crazy 15 years old fan. And I can't stand it ...

Did you watched his Fallon performance ? He can't sing that well when the tempo is faster, that's why he's lyp syncing on When A Woman Loves remix (same thing at soul train), I heard him singing Ignition and he was alright, Step In Then Name Of Love was alright, he has his lane : he's verry good when sang, if he's not singing loud, or singing an inspirational song he's just alright ... and I've heard him over do stuff too. he also sings with recorded backing vocals when he's insecure about performing the song.

And yes, I'd rather dance like Usher than MJ, do you see yourself dancing like MJ at a party except if u ant to imitate him ? Im not saying Usher is a better dancer, Im saying I'd rather dance like him, he looks more like a regular bboy dude ... if you think Usher is a bad dancer then Im done talking with you because the guy can dance.

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Cotontige said:

Did you watched his Fallon performance ? He can't sing that well when the tempo is faster, that's why he's lyp syncing on When A Woman Loves remix (same thing at soul train), I heard him singing Ignition and he was alright, Step In Then Name Of Love was alright, he has his lane : he's verry good when sang, if he's not singing loud, he's just alright ... and I've heard him over do stuff too. he also sings with recorded backing vocals when he's insecure about performing the song.

And yes, I'd rather dance like Usher than MJ, do you see yourself dancing like MJ at a party except if u ant to imitate him ? Im not saying Usher is a better dancer, Im saying I'd rather dance like him, he looks more like a regular bboy dude ... if you think Usher is a bad dancer then Im done talking with you because the guy can dance.

Yes, I did and it was great. He actually lipped the uptempo version of WAWL because it's a remix. He wouldn't have a problem singing the song LIVE at all. BTW, he has sung many uptempos live. Especially, in his earlier years where he would dance a lot and still sound great. I wouldn't just say he's 'alright' as a live singer or an overall vocalist, LMAO. I'm not biased either. He's one of the few singers that sound better live than on recording. But I guess different strokes for different folks. Also like EVERY singer he uses a backing track. He's not the only one and it has nothing to do with insecurity because he has none as a vocalist. He knows what to do. I've never heard him sing out of key and over do the belts and such. That's how good he is.

I'm not going to even bother with the second half of your response

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trueiopian said:

Cotontige said:

Did you watched his Fallon performance ? He can't sing that well when the tempo is faster, that's why he's lyp syncing on When A Woman Loves remix (same thing at soul train), I heard him singing Ignition and he was alright, Step In Then Name Of Love was alright, he has his lane : he's verry good when sang, if he's not singing loud, he's just alright ... and I've heard him over do stuff too. he also sings with recorded backing vocals when he's insecure about performing the song.

And yes, I'd rather dance like Usher than MJ, do you see yourself dancing like MJ at a party except if u ant to imitate him ? Im not saying Usher is a better dancer, Im saying I'd rather dance like him, he looks more like a regular bboy dude ... if you think Usher is a bad dancer then Im done talking with you because the guy can dance.

Yes, I did and it was great. He actually lipped the uptempo version of WAWL because it's a remix. He wouldn't have a problem singing the song LIVE at all. BTW, he has sung many uptempos live. Especially, in his earlier years where he would dance a lot and still sound great. I wouldn't just say he's 'alright' as a live singer or an overall vocalist, LMAO. I'm not biased either. He's one of the few singers that sound better live than on recording. But I guess different strokes for different folks. Also like EVERY singer he uses a backing track. He's not the only one and it has nothing to do with insecurity because he has none as a vocalist. He knows what to do. I've never heard him sing out of key and over do the belts and such. That's how good he is.

I'm not going to even bother with the second half of your response

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Now you make sense, I've seen him live man, I know that he didn't sound verry good on those uptempo tracks, I also know that this Ignition performance wasnt that good and IMO Step In The Name Love was just okay. Now, where you're right is that he barely miss a note but he doesnt take a lot of risks either, he stays in his lane and Im okay with this. But he belt and sounds like a drunk guy when he tries too hard too sounds like an opera singer.

He's using recorded backing track and he's lyp syncing all the time just because he likes it ? Boy stop, none of the singers I've listed used that shit when I was them live ... Tell me why the hell would he lyp synce and use those recorded backing tracks if he wasn't insecure ? This add nothing to the show and make people like me wonder why he does that so often.

EDIT : he's extremly talented as a singer, producer, and he's smart enough to be able stay relevant for 15 years but acting like there is any objectivity saying that he is better than all of those guys is crazy. Im tired of debating about that, I'll let my man have his moment of shine, because he deserves it, the album is cool and his soul train performance was great. Like I've said he's a great artist overall but he's not the musical god yall want him to be.

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Cotontige said:

Now you make sense, I've seen him live man, I know that he didn't sound verry good on those uptempo tracks, I also know that this Ignition performance wasnt that good and IMO Step In The Name Love was just okay. Now, where you're right is that he barely miss a note but he doesnt take a lot of risks either, he stays in his lane and Im okay with this. But he belt and sounds like a drunk guy when he tries too hard too sounds like an opera singer.

He's using recorded backing track and he's lyp syncing all the time just because he likes it ? Boy stop, none of the singers I've listed used that shit when I was them live ... Tell me why the hell would he lyp synce and use those recorded backing tracks if he wasn't insecure ? This add nothing to the show and make people like me wonder why he does that so often.

*DEAD*

You're trying way too hard to downplay his vocals and it's not working. He sounds like a drunk guy? Give me a break! He never sounds 'drunk', 'okay' or 'alright'. He effortlessly sings well. Case closed.

He doesn't use backing track nor does he lip sync all the time. The singers you listed rarely sound good live and they do use backing tracks. Like I said already, he's not the only singer that uses backing tracks nor is the few times he has lipped in the past mean much seeing as he has proved several times that he can sing his ass off.

Cotontige said:

but acting like there is any objectivity saying that he is better than all of those guys is crazy.

But he is and that's a fact. What he brought to music as a singer, songwriter AND producer alone shits on those guys that were listed.

Maxwell? R. Kelly wrote his biggest hit to date.

Cotontige said:

trueiopian said:

Aha! I love how his #1 fans (Gray, phunk and Cotontige) keep coming back in here to check up on him.

And yes, I'd rather dance like Usher than MJ, do you see yourself dancing like MJ at a party except if u ant to imitate him ? Im not saying Usher is a better dancer, Im saying I'd rather dance like him, he looks more like a regular bboy dude ... if you think Usher is a bad dancer then Im done talking with you because the guy can dance.

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trueiopian said:

Cotontige said:

but acting like there is any objectivity saying that he is better than all of those guys is crazy.

But he is and that's a fact. What he brought to music as a singer, songwriter AND producer alone shits on those guys that were listed.

Maxwell? R. Kelly wrote his biggest hit to date.

Lol................u honestly think R Kelly has more talent than Stokley or Frank McComb?

Superstition said:

This album may be my favorite release of 2010. This is absolutely brilliant.

Excellent mix of old and new styles/lyrical content. Clean, groovy, vocally and musically excellent.

If he's going to rap, he needs to go back to putting one or two rap songs on an album of R&B material, ala TP2, R., etc. Otherwise, he needs to stick to stuff like this, this is a brilliant album by any measure, and even more when compared with his last two or three releases.

Damn, all the reviews i've read have been so positive. I haven't bought an album of his since TP2.com, but I think I might have to buy this one.

Graycap23 said:

trueiopian said:

But he is and that's a fact. What he brought to music as a singer, songwriter AND producer alone shits on those guys that were listed.

Maxwell? R. Kelly wrote his biggest hit to date.

Lol................u honestly think R Kelly has more talent than Stokley or Frank McComb?

Gray, you're the only one gagging over Stokely and Frank.

Stokley is an okay singer but he has a tendency to sound 'too whiny' Kinda like Rashaan. Frank is whatever.

trueiopian said:

Graycap23 said:

Lol................u honestly think R Kelly has more talent than Stokley or Frank McComb?

Gray, you're the only one gagging over Stokely and Frank.

Stokley is an okay singer but he has a tendency to sound 'too whiny' Kinda like Rashaan. Frank is whatever.

If u want 2 conversate we can, keep that gagging BS 2 yourself.

trueiopian said:

Graycap23 said:

Lol................u honestly think R Kelly has more talent than Stokley or Frank McComb?

Gray, you're the only one gagging over Stokely and Frank.

Stokley is an okay singer but he has a tendency to sound 'too whiny' Kinda like Rashaan. Frank is whatever.

Translation: I don't know shit about Frank Mccomb and I have no idea that Stokely plays several instruments.

Graycap23 said:

trueiopian said:

Gray, you're the only one gagging over Stokely and Frank.

Stokley is an okay singer but he has a tendency to sound 'too whiny' Kinda like Rashaan. Frank is whatever.

Translation: I don't know shit about Frank Mccomb and I have no idea that Stokely plays several instruments.

I know who Frank is and what other instrument does Stokely play besides the drums and guitar?

smoothcriminal12 said:

Cotontige said:

And yes, I'd rather dance like Usher than MJ, do you see yourself dancing like MJ at a party except if u ant to imitate him ? Im not saying Usher is a better dancer, Im saying I'd rather dance like him, he looks more like a regular bboy dude ... if you think Usher is a bad dancer then Im done talking with you because the guy can dance.

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U gotta love the Org. Don't u love it when a topic gets turned upside down, sideways and burnt to a crisp over who sings better?

Cinnamon234 said:

Superstition said:

This album may be my favorite release of 2010. This is absolutely brilliant.

Excellent mix of old and new styles/lyrical content. Clean, groovy, vocally and musically excellent.

If he's going to rap, he needs to go back to putting one or two rap songs on an album of R&B material, ala TP2, R., etc. Otherwise, he needs to stick to stuff like this, this is a brilliant album by any measure, and even more when compared with his last two or three releases.

Damn, all the reviews i've read have been so positive. I haven't bought an album of his since TP2.com, but I think I might have to buy this one.

Did you not enjoy TP2? Strong album IMO. You should check out Chcoolate Factory, Happy People, Loveland bootleg and Love Letter too. There's barely a decent EP amongst the other three or four albums.

Here's the complete Love Letter doc for anyone who might have overlooked it the first time.

daPrettyman said:

U gotta love the Org. Don't u love it when a topic gets turned upside down, sideways and burnt to a crisp over who sings better?

Lol...................1st I've ever heard of R kelly being the best at anything.

What's the matter, GC? I'm sorry the new R. Kelly album sold out in your area.

Identity said:

What's the matter, GC? I'm sorry the new R. Kelly album sold out in your area.

Let me say it again.........I dig some of Robert's material. I like Taxi Cab but the rest of cd is below par 4 me.

If u like...........cool 4 u but these folks claiming that Robert is the best of his generation are delusional.

Nonetheless, he's the most prolific and bankable. And his ability to outpace the competition in R & B can't be denied.

Identity said:

Nonetheless, he's the most prolific and bankable. And his ability to outpace the competition in R & B can't be denied.

I think u might be correct on all accounts.

Cotontige said:

trueiopian said:

Aha! I love how his #1 fans (Gray, phunk and Cotontige) keep coming back in here to check up on him.

I like R Kelly, not a fan, but I like him, but you're acting like a crazy 15 years old fan. And I can't stand it ...

Did you watched his Fallon performance ? He can't sing that well when the tempo is faster, that's why he's lyp syncing on When A Woman Loves remix (same thing at soul train), I heard him singing Ignition and he was alright, Step In Then Name Of Love was alright, he has his lane : he's verry good when sang, if he's not singing loud, or singing an inspirational song he's just alright ... and I've heard him over do stuff too. he also sings with recorded backing vocals when he's insecure about performing the song.

And yes, I'd rather dance like Usher than MJ, do you see yourself dancing like MJ at a party except if u ant to imitate him ? Im not saying Usher is a better dancer, Im saying I'd rather dance like him, he looks more like a regular bboy dude ... if you think Usher is a bad dancer then Im done talking with you because the guy can dance.

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'He can't sing that well when the tempo is faster'

Your elementary explanations regarding music/vocalists in many of your posts just shows you don't actually have a clue about the technicalities of music in general. Not a clue.

I won't advise Mr Kipling on how to make cakes, so speaking of R Kelly like you do is hilarious.

Anyone denying this mans talent absolutely astounds me. He is out of this world. I mean.. are you hearing the same voice and soul that we're hearing?

Those in the game know R Kelly is 'da muthaf**kin' don'

Identity said:

What's the matter, GC? I'm sorry the new R. Kelly album sold out in your area.

LOL!

http://www.twitvid.com/TFKLQ

Graycap23 said:

Japha11 said:

Foolish. Forget hype about any album, we're talking about vocal ability.

All in Kelly's generation and much better vocalists:

Rahsaan Patterson

Frank McComb

Stokley

Dangelo

Bilal

Glenn Lewis

Eric Roberson

Maxwell

Eric Benet

Ruben Studard

Carl Thomas

K Ci from Jodeci

Tank

Christopher Williams

Donnie

Anthony Hamiliton

Dave Hollister...........and a few others I can't even think of right now.

It's mostly a question of personal preference, but really? D'Angelo? The only one I would say is "much better" is Stokely and maybe K Ci back in the day. The others are debatable.

JoeBala said:

and look how successful he is, more so than R. Kelly. Everybody has a gimmick, right? Nope not high. Bowie now there ia a TALENT.

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Success doesn't have anything to do with the greatness of music. Not always. Most of the time it doesn't. A song can be damn successful, hitting number one in the charts, earn a grammy or whatever and at the same time be garbage. You seem to love some Jackie Wilson and Sam Cooke, but then again you come around saying Usher is allround fantastic. I guess you play "Chain Gang" and next on the playlist you got Usher featuring Justin Bieber?! And out of nowhere you throw in David Bowie. It's like someone's talking to you bout Simon & Garfunkel, and you say "Well, I like Kesha!".. So, like Mr Keith Sweat would say, "Sumthin', sumthin'.. sumthin', sumthin' just ain't riiight"..

Legendary.

More plastic, soulless R&B shit. Next.

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"Plastic, souless". You're recycling adjectives from your rant on the Teena Marie thread.