Tell me, what are some artist's you actually happen to really like. have quite a few of there song's and albums but think they are WAY overrated.

Ok, i know i am going to get thrown in the firs for this but i will say it

Michael Jackson- He was one of the greatest artist's of all time, this is VERY true. And Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad, Dangerous and even parts of Ben are great great albums! also the stuff on history.

But COME ON, so many people saying he is the greatest? there are much greater artist's in the history of music, that deserve more recognition. MJ is one of the most famous musicians that has ever lived, but it can't all be about that. He did have extreme talent, but i would not even put him in the top 40 greatest artist's of all time. I still really like him, but people saying he is better then Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, John Lee Hooker, David Bowie, Prince, Little Richard, Aretha Franklin, James Brown, Bruce Springsteen, Tina Turner, Chuck Berry, B.B King, Nat King Cole, Sam Cooke. Just to name a few, i can't accept that

Another is

Metallica- I respect SO MUCH, what they did for rock n roll and metal of course and these guys can play there butts off. But a lot of metal head's treat them as the be all end all heavy metal band, and that they are the greatest musicians. There good, but ton's of Kirk's guitar playing is not that great, in fact a lot of his riffs are easy... Dave Mustain can outplay him any day and Kirk even admits that!

Yngwie Malmsteen- Yes this guy is a great guitar player, very fast and showy. But his lyrics are beyond awful. And he play's a lot of the time's without emotion, i own his 80's output. He is good, but a show off big time and i heard him once say Jimi Hendrix was very overrated? speak for yourself Yngwie

Just a few i can think of

What are your's?

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Unholyalliance said:

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I'm prepared [GRABS HELMET]

You better run because that Michael Jackson comment is going to get you killed.

babybugz said:

You better run because that Michael Jackson comment is going to get you killed.

Hey... i didn't say he was bad lol , Just my personal viewing os his cultural status..

prince

Gunsnhalen said:

babybugz said:

You better run because that Michael Jackson comment is going to get you killed.

Hey... i didn't say he was bad lol , Just my personal viewing os his cultural status..

LOL. Oh don't worry I won't kill you just others probably will.

LOLS! I love Mike but I'm not going to yell or scream. I respect your opinion.

Anyways, I think all my favourites deserve all their recognitions and fame. xD

If I think they were overrated, I probably wouldn't like them in the first place. " />

babybugz said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Hey... i didn't say he was bad lol , Just my personal viewing os his cultural status..

LOL. Oh don't worry I won't kill you just others probably will.

Lol ow i know i was just saying:P

Nice profile pic btw!!

Asymphony5 said:

LOLS! I love Mike but I'm not going to yell or scream. I respect your opinion.

Anyways, I think all my favourites deserve all their recognitions and fame. xD

If I think they were overrated, I probably wouldn't like them in the first place. " />

I totally get where your coming from on that, but i think some band's i like get more credit then they deserve.

Like people say for example Yngwie is the fastest guitar player in the world... that is so not true AT ALL lol

Or that Elvis is the king of RNR i love Elvis but ow crap i don't want to get in the king of RNR discussion that one gets crazy lol

teejster said:

prince

How the eff is he overrated?? He's underrated if anything. He's a genius.

Mmm, can't really think of any that I really love because most of them are largely ignored or unknown.

As far as Metallica goes, I totally agree with you regarding the difficulty of their songs, because they just aren't. Even with the time changes and all, most of their stuff is really simple and pretty easy to play. Lars could barely play drums when they started so he's kind of developed his own weird way of playing over the years that's difficult to emulate, but it's not impossible. The influence of their first five albums (Kill Em All to the Black Album) can't be denied, though. They sold mass amounts of albums playing thrash metal with no radio or video play. Then went on ahead and broke down all those doors with the Black Album. Unfortunately, everything that follows has put a serious tarnish on their shine. Even the last couple albums, which I've really enjoyed, are still New Metallica trying to be like Old Metallica. You can basically split their career in half and the latter half has definitely made me feel differently about the first half.

Pr1nceQuik said:

teejster said:

prince

How the eff is he overrated?? He's underrated if anything. He's a genius.

exactly, outside of his hardcore fanbase he's terribly underrated, alot of people think of him as a weird popstar who's gay and changed his name to a symbol

The michael jackson comment is going to get a serious backlash lol but i do agree:-)

Badu

Prince

Most people who aren't actual fans and who just sort of revere Prince don't know any of his releases of the 2000s and, thus, their opinion is still based purely on his repertoire from the 80s or 90s. They remember it when Prince released a classic every year as opposed to a so-so album every 2 years.

Wacko Jacko peaked early. His late 70.s material is without a doubt his best. The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long, as is the case with Wacko. His followup albums WERE overrated.

babybugz said:

You better run because that Michael Jackson comment is going to get you killed.

Road kill

U2...

Bono really needs to learn to shut the hell up...

Cerebus said:

Mmm, can't really think of any that I really love because most of them are largely ignored or unknown.

As far as Metallica goes, I totally agree with you regarding the difficulty of their songs, because they just aren't. Even with the time changes and all, most of their stuff is really simple and pretty easy to play. Lars could barely play drums when they started so he's kind of developed his own weird way of playing over the years that's difficult to emulate, but it's not impossible. The influence of their first five albums (Kill Em All to the Black Album) can't be denied, though. They sold mass amounts of albums playing thrash metal with no radio or video play. Then went on ahead and broke down all those doors with the Black Album. Unfortunately, everything that follows has put a serious tarnish on their shine. Even the last couple albums, which I've really enjoyed, are still New Metallica trying to be like Old Metallica. You can basically split their career in half and the latter half has definitely made me feel differently about the first half.

AMEN

There first few albums are classic.

I say if Death Magnetic was released after like In justice For All... It would have been a great album, if you get what i am kind of saying? it was kind of a basic retread of what they once where Master Of Puppets & Lightning era

People bag on the black album? idk why to me it was the last great Metallica album!, Garage inc. aside which was just covers

As much as I hate to say it, Stevie Wonder. I love him. I love almost everything he's ever done, even the decidedly crap stuff from the 80's. He's incredibly talented. Brilliant in fact. But I sometimes feel that he's overrated in that he didn't really invent anything. He did the most perfect version of a kind of music that already existed, rather than transforming it into something new. His talent transcended it, perfected it, but was never really transformative.

It kind of kills me to say it, considering how wonderful I think he is.

errant said:

As much as I hate to say it, Stevie Wonder. I love him. I love almost everything he's ever done, even the decidedly crap stuff from the 80's. He's incredibly talented. Brilliant in fact. But I sometimes feel that he's overrated in that he didn't really invent anything. He did the most perfect version of a kind of music that already existed, rather than transforming it into something new. His talent transcended it, perfected it, but was never really transformative.

It kind of kills me to say it, considering how wonderful I think he is.

I think Stevie get the accolades deservingly because of the way he introduced electronics into soul music.

His ONLY curse though was the fact that he longed for the critics approval, when he released Journey Through The Secret Life Of Plants(which to me, it was his version of Bitches Brew in comparison to everything he released previously), critics slammed him for being "self-indulgant"(there goes that word again ) and poor Stevie who never turned a deaf ear to the writers scrapped anything that had the potentials of being experimental, and resorted to the air-play friendly routine.

Maybe I'm biased, in fact, I know I am because no way I would align the artists I really "love" with being "overrated"

My question to you is this, how could you love an artist if you think they're overrated?

I don't listen to (or love) any artist who I think are overrated, personally I get frustrated when I hear all of this glory and adoration.

I'll be the first to state that music is subjective and it depends on your taste, as far as Michael Jackson is concerned, no doubt about it, he's one of the greatest talent to ever walk Planet Earth but his creative output stalled towards the end (and Thriller was not his best work), but that doesn't equate being overrated. If his career started with Off The Wall, then you would have a great point, but you have to go back to 1968 to see the greatest of that man as a kid. Being overrated means now that your career was pure hype created out of the media or a glorified position(s) in music history for an average singer/groups.

For example, Tupac Shakur was overrated in regards to being the greatest MC of all time. In my opinion, that's absolutely false. I can name only two albums I concerned classics from Pac, he is one of the greatest hip-hop personalities of all time. He created the blueprint (consciously or subconsciously) for rappers that came after him with the thug/soldier rebel pose.

With saying that, these are my opinion of artists who I think are overrated...

Cher

Beyonce

Gloria Gaynor

Boyz II Men

The Rolling Stones

Rod Stewart

Elvis Presley

Teddy Pendergrass

The Beatles (great songs and productions, but that's it, average singers and musicians)

Britney Spears

Sting

Celine Dion

The bulk of those boy bands from the 90s and 00s

Smokey Robinson (as a singer and performer, great songwriter)

Rick James (as a singer and performer, great songs and productions)

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^^ I completely agree. There are tons of artists that I think are over-rated, but I can't say I love them (for the reason alone that they're over-rated).

Basically, most of the pop artists on radio today, in my opinion, are highly over-rated. In fact, I wouldn't even call them artists.

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errant said:

As much as I hate to say it, Stevie Wonder. I love him. I love almost everything he's ever done, even the decidedly crap stuff from the 80's. He's incredibly talented. Brilliant in fact. But I sometimes feel that he's overrated in that he didn't really invent anything. He did the most perfect version of a kind of music that already existed, rather than transforming it into something new. His talent transcended it, perfected it, but was never really transformative.

It kind of kills me to say it, considering how wonderful I think he is.

Hm................. idk, in a way i can agree to this i guess. I Am a HUGE Stevie fan as well... but idk if can flat out call him over rated.

But like Harlepolis mentioned about the ''Secret Life'' which i think is a rather interesting album actually. But i read it was slammed like crazy, and Stevie did especially in the 80's more bubblegummy. But he did do music that already existed. But in his own vision, spirit and sound, and every album was something new.

I will admit of course, he was getting to radio friendly in the 80's. Although i like some of the hit's like I Just Called To Say I Love you, Master Blaster, Part Time Lover, Happy Birthday etc. even though they where over produced

Imo, anyone who claims X artist is the best ever is overrating them. Otoh, I don't think just because you may dislike an artist makes them, immediately, overrated either.

Which means that The Beatles have to be included in this thread as well as many classical artists. None of them are end all and be all to music as some people like to consider them. According to some people, you would think music, as a whole would not exist if it were not for them, which is a ridiculous statement to even release into the air.

REM, PJ Harvey, Bjork.

Basically any critical favorites that the media praises no matter what they release. Some of their albums are good and some aren't but if you are a critical favorite a lot of times critics praise your reputation and not the actual record.

Unholyalliance said:

Imo, anyone who claims X artist is the best ever is overrating them. Otoh, I don't think just because you may dislike an artist makes them, immediately, overrated either.

Which means that The Beatles have to be included in this thread as well as many classical artists. None of them are end all and be all to music as some people like to consider them. According to some people, you would think music, as a whole would not exist if it were not for them, which is a ridiculous statement to even release into the air.

I must say you make a good point here. I'm a huge Beatles fan no doubt i have all there albums. And there in my top 20 band's off all time. Yet i don't think there the greatest, they say everyone stole from The Beatles even people who came before them.

Now TONS of people stole from the Beatles but not everyone i would say, just like my favorite artist is Bob Dylan... And many think he is THE greatest singer song writer in history. To me he is my personal favorite, and ton's of artist's owe a lot to him. But he himself will be the first to tell you, he's no prophet and the people who inspired him are ay better then him.

Stevie Wonder owes a lot to Ray Charles and Ray to Muddy Waters and other bluesman and country artist he liked. And they owe to there Artist's and those artist's to others etc. The list goes on

So yes, it is true someone always inspires another musician, so there is really in point no ''BE ALL END ALL'' musician