Nikademus said:

Timmy84 said:

And that won't ever happen as long as Jermaine is around. The brothers probably don't talk to Jermaine that much.

Leave it to Jermaine to make LaToya look not-so-bad

At least LaToya & Janet still have love for Randy. It's the other siblings & their parents that resents him for refusing to kiss Oprah's ass.......oops, I mean microphone.

That's right, I said it. I know that Randy wasn't always an angel in his life. But THIS Jackson fan respects him for being true to game. Why the hell should he give Oprah an interview after the way that woman treated Michael like "guilty until proven innocent" behind Michael's back?!?

TonyVanDam said:

Nikademus said:

Leave it to Jermaine to make LaToya look not-so-bad

At least LaToya & Janet still have love for Randy. It's the other siblings & their parents that resents him for refusing to kiss Oprah's ass.......oops, I mean microphone.

That's right, I said it. I know that Randy wasn't always an angel in his life. But THIS Jackson fan respects him for being true to game. Why the hell should he give Oprah an interview after the way that woman treated Michael like "guilty until proven innocent" behind Michael's back?!?

You know? Even after that MJJSource fiasco Randy was involved in, I have a feeling he was the closest of the brothers to Michael. He also saw and sees the bullshit that his elder siblings and parents have basically just cave into time and time again. Because of this, he rarely associates with them anymore. The Jacksons are a family divided. After Michael's death, it's clear how divided. Even though Joe and Katherine tried (in vain) to show some "loyalty" during the Harpo interview, they haven't lived together for years. Joe only comes by Hayvenhurst for media purposes. Katherine also has to keep up an image to protect the family. But I have a feeling once their parents depart from this earth, more worms would burst out of their can.

As for Jackie, watch for this single to flop and that album to not come out. Obviously he did the Oprah thing for a reason and we know why lol

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

And that won't ever happen as long as Jermaine is around. The brothers probably don't talk to Jermaine that much.

A lot of the 2300 Jackson Street album seemed to be Jermaine. So I guess he took over the group. It's kinda like The Temptations late 70's and early 80's albums was mostly Dennis Edwards singing, even the Reunion album when Eddie & David returned.

2300 Jackson Street (the album) was the Jermaine/Jackie/Tito/Randy line-up. Marion & LaToya were absent. Michael, Janet, & Rebbie were guest vocalists on the title track. Album overall was definitely a Jermaine-leading album. Even hiring L.A. & Babyface to produce some tracks was Jermaine's idea, concerning that he was about the be the first artist signed to LaFace Records later on.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

A lot of the 2300 Jackson Street album seemed to be Jermaine. So I guess he took over the group. It's kinda like The Temptations late 70's and early 80's albums was mostly Dennis Edwards singing, even the Reunion album when Eddie & David returned.

I avoided that album mainly because of that. There were reported fights between Jackie and Jermaine over who got to sing lead on the tracks. Of course they didn't let it be known there was bickering to the press. Trying to keep that public image of togetherness is hard work when you know it's not actually accurate. They tried to do a tour and it bombed. I remember reading about it on Margaret's book.

I wonder why Jermaine signed with Arista and mostly let Clive Davis give him stuff to sing and try to make him into a male Whitney Houston, when on Motown he wrote a lot of his material and played some of the instruments. He also produced other acts like Switch and Syreeta and also did A&R work there. On Arista, Jermaine was just a singer, and he didn't write as much. I also wonder why Randy released his album with The Gypsys at the same time as the 2300 album. Randy didn't do a lot of the promotion for the group album either. He was in the videos, but the TV appearances were just Jackie, Jermaine, & Tito - The J3, lol.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

A lot of the 2300 Jackson Street album seemed to be Jermaine. So I guess he took over the group. It's kinda like The Temptations late 70's and early 80's albums was mostly Dennis Edwards singing, even the Reunion album when Eddie & David returned.

I avoided that album mainly because of that. There were reported fights between Jackie and Jermaine over who got to sing lead on the tracks. Of course they didn't let it be known there was bickering to the press. Trying to keep that public image of togetherness is hard work when you know it's not actually accurate. They tried to do a tour and it bombed. I remember reading about it on Margaret's book.

On the Family Dynasty series, Katherine said Jackie and Jermaine have been at each others throast since they were kids. They even stopped talking for about half a year after Jermain stayed at Motown (or the Jacksons left for CBS, however you wanna put it.)

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

A lot of the 2300 Jackson Street album seemed to be Jermaine. So I guess he took over the group. It's kinda like The Temptations late 70's and early 80's albums was mostly Dennis Edwards singing, even the Reunion album when Eddie & David returned.

I avoided that album mainly because of that. There were reported fights between Jackie and Jermaine over who got to sing lead on the tracks. Of course they didn't let it be known there was bickering to the press. Trying to keep that public image of togetherness is hard work when you know it's not actually accurate. They tried to do a tour and it bombed. I remember reading about it on Margaret's book.

The irony in all of this is that Jermaine & Randy co-existed as co-lead vocalists on Nothin' (That Compares 2 U). I'm more surprise about THIS than I'm reading about Jermaine & Jackie falling out.

TonyVanDam said:

MickyDolenz said:

A lot of the 2300 Jackson Street album seemed to be Jermaine. So I guess he took over the group. It's kinda like The Temptations late 70's and early 80's albums was mostly Dennis Edwards singing, even the Reunion album when Eddie & David returned.

2300 Jackson Street (the album) was the Jermaine/Jackie/Tito/Randy line-up. Marion & LaToya were absent. Michael, Janet, & Rebbie were guest vocalists on the title track. Album overall was definitely a Jermaine-leading album. Even hiring L.A. & Babyface to produce some tracks was Jermaine's idea, concerning that he was about the be the first artist signed to LaFace Records later on.

Marlon sang on the 2300 Jackson Street song, but didn't appear in the video. The only sibling not involved was LaToya, because she was with Jack Gordon and he kept her away from the family.

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

I avoided that album mainly because of that. There were reported fights between Jackie and Jermaine over who got to sing lead on the tracks. Of course they didn't let it be known there was bickering to the press. Trying to keep that public image of togetherness is hard work when you know it's not actually accurate. They tried to do a tour and it bombed. I remember reading about it on Margaret's book.

The irony in all of this is that Jermaine & Randy co-existed as co-lead vocalists on Nothin' (That Compares 2 U). I'm more surprise about THIS than I'm reading about Jermaine & Jackie falling out.

Jermaine and Randy were pretty close. Randy played on a fe of Jermaine's albums with Motown and Arista. Also, Jermaine had not become "Uncle Daddy" yet.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

I avoided that album mainly because of that. There were reported fights between Jackie and Jermaine over who got to sing lead on the tracks. Of course they didn't let it be known there was bickering to the press. Trying to keep that public image of togetherness is hard work when you know it's not actually accurate. They tried to do a tour and it bombed. I remember reading about it on Margaret's book.

I wonder why Jermaine signed with Arista and mostly let Clive Davis give him stuff to sing and try to make him into a male Whitney Houston, when on Motown he wrote a lot of his material and played some of the instruments. He also produced other acts like Switch and Syreeta and also did A&R work there. On Arista, Jermaine was just a singer, and he didn't write as much. I also wonder why Randy released his album with The Gypsys at the same time as the 2300 album. Randy didn't do a lot of the promotion for the group album either. He was in the videos, but the TV appearances were just Jackie, Jermaine, & Tito - The J3, lol.

Jermaine was with Arista before Whitney had even signed with them. Hell, Whitney became known fron Jermaine with those duest they had.

Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

At least LaToya & Janet still have love for Randy. It's the other siblings & their parents that resents him for refusing to kiss Oprah's ass.......oops, I mean microphone.

That's right, I said it. I know that Randy wasn't always an angel in his life. But THIS Jackson fan respects him for being true to game. Why the hell should he give Oprah an interview after the way that woman treated Michael like "guilty until proven innocent" behind Michael's back?!?

You know? Even after that MJJSource fiasco Randy was involved in, I have a feeling he was the closest of the brothers to Michael. He also saw and sees the bullshit that his elder siblings and parents have basically just cave into time and time again. Because of this, he rarely associates with them anymore. The Jacksons are a family divided. After Michael's death, it's clear how divided. Even though Joe and Katherine tried (in vain) to show some "loyalty" during the Harpo interview, they haven't lived together for years. Joe only comes by Hayvenhurst for media purposes. Katherine also has to keep up an image to protect the family. But I have a feeling once their parents depart from this earth, more worms would burst out of their can.

1. Although it's common knowledge that LaToya's autobiology was total bullshit (especially if she was rumored to have written it at gunpoint by her then-husband Jack Gordon), at least certain parts about how dysfunctional the Jacksons are as a family counts are the first known signs that somethings are very wrong with this family. I can imagine how many real stories would come out by the surviving siblings (especially Randy) once their parents are resting in peace.

2. How exactly could Joseph & Katherine could act so "unify" when the report about their upcoming divorce battle was already broadcasted on Digital Spy? Seriously, the whole family loyality motto is so overrated now.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

MickyDolenz said:

I wonder why Jermaine signed with Arista and mostly let Clive Davis give him stuff to sing and try to make him into a male Whitney Houston, when on Motown he wrote a lot of his material and played some of the instruments. He also produced other acts like Switch and Syreeta and also did A&R work there. On Arista, Jermaine was just a singer, and he didn't write as much. I also wonder why Randy released his album with The Gypsys at the same time as the 2300 album. Randy didn't do a lot of the promotion for the group album either. He was in the videos, but the TV appearances were just Jackie, Jermaine, & Tito - The J3, lol.

Jermaine was with Arista before Whitney had even signed with them. Hell, Whitney became known fron Jermaine with those duest they had.

Whitney was signed for awhile before Clive released anything with her to groom her. Her cousin Dionne Warwick was also on the label at the time. Jermaine's 1st Arista album came out a year before Whitney's. She sang that duet with Teddy Pendergrass "Hold Me" before the songs with Jermaine were released.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

TonyVanDam said:

The irony in all of this is that Jermaine & Randy co-existed as co-lead vocalists on Nothin' (That Compares 2 U). I'm more surprise about THIS than I'm reading about Jermaine & Jackie falling out.

Jermaine and Randy were pretty close. Randy played on a fe of Jermaine's albums with Motown and Arista. Also, Jermaine had not become "Uncle Daddy" yet.

The "Uncle Daddy" saga was a hot mess that could have been avoided. Of all of the women that Jermane could have messed with on a down low, he have to choose Randy's leftovers and then created children with the leftovers at that, which are also the siblings/cousins of one of Randy's children!

[Edited 11/9/10 19:07pm]

TonyVanDam said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Jermaine and Randy were pretty close. Randy played on a fe of Jermaine's albums with Motown and Arista. Also, Jermaine had not become "Uncle Daddy" yet.

The "Uncle Daddy" saga was a hot mess that could have been avoided. Of all of the women that Jermane could have messed with on a down low, he have to choose Randy's leftovers and then created children with the leftovers at that, which are also the siblings/cousins of one of Randy's children!

[Edited 11/9/10 19:07pm]

That's just a mess.

TonyVanDam said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Jermaine and Randy were pretty close. Randy played on a fe of Jermaine's albums with Motown and Arista. Also, Jermaine had not become "Uncle Daddy" yet.

The "Uncle Daddy" saga was a hot mess that could have been avoided. Of all of the women that Jermane could have messed with on a down low, he have to choose Randy's leftovers and then created children with the leftovers at that, which are also the siblings/cousins of one of Randy's children!

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I'm not condoning getting with yo brothers gal, but at least don't fall in love with her and make babies. Ok a one night stand, a hit and run would have be tolerabe. But dude married Randy's ex-wife. Some nikkas would kill for that.

Was the pussy that good, that every Jackson brother had too get a piece?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

TonyVanDam said:

The "Uncle Daddy" saga was a hot mess that could have been avoided. Of all of the women that Jermane could have messed with on a down low, he have to choose Randy's leftovers and then created children with the leftovers at that, which are also the siblings/cousins of one of Randy's children!

[Edited 11/9/10 19:07pm]

I'm not condoning getting with yo brothers gal, but at least don't fall in love with her and make babies. Ok a one night stand, a hit and run would have be tolerabe. But dude married Randy's ex-wife. Some nikkas would kill for that.

Was the pussy that good, that every Jackson brother had too get a piece?

Must I remind people of the Womack brothers tearing up the same pussy? (Mary Wells)

Both Cecil and Curtis got dibs. Cecil was Mary's husband for a while and collaborated with her. Curtis abused her during her final years.

Then we have Bobby and Cecil messing with the same woman in different times (Bobby was cheating on his wife - Sam Cooke's widow - on her and Sam's daughter Linda, who was 16 when they started dating; Cecil cheated on Mary with Linda and then THEY married after Cecil's divorce from Mary became final in 1977).

Except for Bobby & Linda, all these intra-relative partnerships produced children.

I'm still laughing at "Uncle Daddy"

bboy87 said:

I'm still laughing at "Uncle Daddy"

It is what it is

SoulAlive said:

kibbles said:

this may be mean, but i hope he and all the rest fail and fail big time because they could have been working all these years.

now you have them all happy to climb all over mj to be back in the spotlight. i wouldn't have a problem with him or the other brothers having their day in the sun if they'd been working all along, honing their craft, working with other producers, working a little vegas act, or touring like so many other groups, but when i know this attention is solely on mj's back now, i have a real problem with it.

You said exactly what I wanted to say,but I didn't wanna be the first to say it

I find it strange how the brothers have been laying low all these years,but now all of a sudden,they're releasing new music and planning comebacks.It seems to me that they're trying to cash in on MJ's death.They know that the world is paying attention to the Jackson family right now and they're taking advantage of that.It's shameful and pathetic.

and I can't help think that after LaToya raided the house shortly after MJ's demise - they hauled out bags of unfinished, unreleased material that MJ was working on - to divy up and call their own. Ridiculous I know, but it did go thru my mind.

Red said:

SoulAlive said:

You said exactly what I wanted to say,but I didn't wanna be the first to say it

I find it strange how the brothers have been laying low all these years,but now all of a sudden,they're releasing new music and planning comebacks.It seems to me that they're trying to cash in on MJ's death.They know that the world is paying attention to the Jackson family right now and they're taking advantage of that.It's shameful and pathetic.

and I can't help think that after LaToya raided the house shortly after MJ's demise - they hauled out bags of unfinished, unreleased material that MJ was working on - to divy up and call their own. Ridiculous I know, but it did go thru my mind.

I heard that the father pulled up in a moving van, after MJ's death which sounds grimey, but I didn't know LaToya was down with it, too. She's the one going around telling people MJ was murdered, and she knows who.

Where's the audio?

angel345 said:

Red said:

I heard that the father pulled up in a moving van, after MJ's death which sounds grimey, but I didn't know LaToya was down with it, too. She's the one going around telling people MJ was murdered, and she knows who.

Hmmmm...

Yeah where's the audio? I thought it was posted on YouTube a few days ago and instead got "MJ rolled".

Timmy84 said:

angel345 said:

I heard that the father pulled up in a moving van, after MJ's death which sounds grimey, but I didn't know LaToya was down with it, too. She's the one going around telling people MJ was murdered, and she knows who.

Hmmmm...

Yeah where's the audio? I thought it was posted on YouTube a few days ago and instead got "MJ rolled".

Where's the audio? It beats me, but I have seen the video of a van near the mansion, after his death maybe once or twice, and couldn't believe it

angel345 said:

Timmy84 said:

Hmmmm...

Yeah where's the audio? I thought it was posted on YouTube a few days ago and instead got "MJ rolled".

Where's the audio? It beats me, but I have seen the video of a van near the mansion, after his death maybe once or twice, and couldn't believe it

And let's not forget the sight of Joe Jackson, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson carrying on laughing just a day after his son is pronounced dead. Maybe that's just coincidental...but I don't know.

Timmy84 said:

angel345 said:

I heard that the father pulled up in a moving van, after MJ's death which sounds grimey, but I didn't know LaToya was down with it, too. She's the one going around telling people MJ was murdered, and she knows who.

Hmmmm...

Yeah where's the audio? I thought it was posted on YouTube a few days ago and instead got "MJ rolled".

same thing happened to me...

Timmy84 said:

angel345 said:

Where's the audio? It beats me, but I have seen the video of a van near the mansion, after his death maybe once or twice, and couldn't believe it

And let's not forget the sight of Joe Jackson, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson carrying on laughing just a day after his son is pronounced dead. Maybe that's just coincidental...but I don't know.

Timmy84 said:

TonyVanDam said:

The "Uncle Daddy" saga was a hot mess that could have been avoided. Of all of the women that Jermane could have messed with on a down low, he have to choose Randy's leftovers and then created children with the leftovers at that, which are also the siblings/cousins of one of Randy's children!

[Edited 11/9/10 19:07pm]

That's just a mess.

sag10 said:

Timmy84 said:

That's just a mess.

Oh you didn't know?

Man I feel like going to the site and read that book. Probably the best expose on the Jacksons to date IMHO.

SoulAlive said:

manthevan said:

Well to be fair Tito has been doing his thing for years; first managing 3T and later doing his blues thing. Jackie has also tried a lot of projects, managing and producing his son, tried various music projects as well as he has tried to launch a J5 clothing brand. It is hardly his fault the interest from the public wasn't there before. As for the other brothers (especially Jermaine since he was the most talented after MJ) I tend to agree...

I think they're in for a rude awakening.Their new music isn't gonna sell well and if they were to follow through with a tour (as has been rumored),they will be playing to half-empty venues.

Half-empty?? You're being too kind. Shit, there'll be crickets chirping in the arena.

With Michael gone, Janet's the only Jackson I'd pay to see in concert.

uPtoWnNY said:

SoulAlive said:

I think they're in for a rude awakening.Their new music isn't gonna sell well and if they were to follow through with a tour (as has been rumored),they will be playing to half-empty venues.

Half-empty?? You're being too kind. Shit, there'll be crickets chirping in the arena.

With Michael gone, Janet's the only Jackson I'd pay to see in concert.

Michael and Janet were really the only real stars in that family IMHO. Even from young ages, you can tell which ones would go far and which ones wouldn't.