MTV in the UK played music videos all through the 90s.

Timmy84 said:

MickyDolenz said:

No one is doing anything with a lot of that old footage anyway. It's just deteriorating in a warehouse somewhere. There's a lot of stuff I've seen on Youtube that I had no idea existed. Like I didn't know there was a music video for Frankie Smith's Double Dutch Bus, although the person who uploaded it didn't have the entire video and it cut off in the middle of the song. A lot of the videos there are bad 10th generation copies, lol. At least some of the original film/videotapes have to exist in a televison studio archives.

Someone should be the advocate of bringing that stuff out into the open! Either that or someone will find a way to bring them to the public! It just has to! A lot of R&B footage from the '60s from the Motown artists, Philly artists on down have never been released again to the public. Marvin Gaye, James Brown, Otis Redding and a lot of the Motown acts have a lot of performances from the '60s that have never been seen but it's locked away and left to rotten. Sad.

When Wattstax was released on DVD, there was a special on PBS about it. I remember one of the people being interviewed said that they found the film reels by accident and they were unlabeled. Some of the footage wasn't in great shape and they spent a lot of money restoring it. One of the filmmakers said the concert lasted the whole day and it was all filmed (including performances filmed elsewhere like Johnnie Taylor in the club and The Emotions at church), but not much was used in the movie. They decided to film the people in the neighborhood and had a hard time getting them to talk at first (because the filmmakers were white). The DVD commentary is interesting too. I hardly ever listen to the commentaries on movie DVD's, but I had to on this one.

Timmy84 said:

VH-1 came out in 1985 (I think the same with Video Jukebox/The Box).

I remember VH-1 was originally a channel playing AC acts like Air Supply, Melissa Manchester, and Kenny Rogers. It was started by MTV to reach a more older audience that wasn't interested in Loverboy and The Cars, lol.

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

VH-1 came out in 1985 (I think the same with Video Jukebox/The Box).

I remember VH-1 was originally a channel playing AC acts like Air Supply, Melissa Manchester, and Kenny Rogers. It was started by MTV to reach a more older audience that wasn't interested in Loverboy and The Cars, lol.

Pretty much. Now you can't tell the difference.

MickyDolenz said:

lastdecember said:

EXACTLY! i mean im not saying live in the past 24/7 with everything, BUT you have to have a space for "looking back " and just freaking tradition and respect, that is HOW you preserve an art form. NOT by trying to re-create a feeling or an album or specific moment, but airing it, showing it, what would be so wrong to say one day SHOW Live Aid on TV and say look new generation this is when we all did something for nothing, no soundchecks no egos, just went on and played.

No one is doing anything with a lot of that old footage anyway. It's just deteriorating in a warehouse somewhere. There's a lot of stuff I've seen on Youtube that I had no idea existed. Like I didn't know there was a music video for Frankie Smith's Double Dutch Bus, although the person who uploaded it didn't have the entire video and it cut off in the middle of the song. A lot of the videos there are bad 10th generation copies, lol. At least some of the original film/videotapes have to exist in a televison studio archives.

Yeah i mean theres tons of footage and to be honest there is a demand for it, so dont believe the HYPE that no one wants this stuff, when i did music/retail/buying i was always hit with requests for classic soul stuff, people in large could care less about Usher's latest tour on dvd, they were looking for the Spinners or Tempts etc...but no one was cashing in on this! Now Best Buy is saying that next year its dispanding Music Dvds from most locations, if you want something go online and get it, because MUSIC DVDS dont sell, well maybe the shit going on dvd doesnt sell, u have to look at it that way too, which is what the industry hasnt done in almost 2 decades now. IT forgot how to think outside the box

lastdecember said:

MickyDolenz said:

No one is doing anything with a lot of that old footage anyway. It's just deteriorating in a warehouse somewhere. There's a lot of stuff I've seen on Youtube that I had no idea existed. Like I didn't know there was a music video for Frankie Smith's Double Dutch Bus, although the person who uploaded it didn't have the entire video and it cut off in the middle of the song. A lot of the videos there are bad 10th generation copies, lol. At least some of the original film/videotapes have to exist in a televison studio archives.

Yeah i mean theres tons of footage and to be honest there is a demand for it, so dont believe the HYPE that no one wants this stuff, when i did music/retail/buying i was always hit with requests for classic soul stuff, people in large could care less about Usher's latest tour on dvd, they were looking for the Spinners or Tempts etc...but no one was cashing in on this! Now Best Buy is saying that next year its dispanding Music Dvds from most locations, if you want something go online and get it, because MUSIC DVDS dont sell, well maybe the shit going on dvd doesnt sell, u have to look at it that way too, which is what the industry hasnt done in almost 2 decades now. IT forgot how to think outside the box

Right. They wanna be too complacent and it shows.

MTV died in the mid 90's

MTV2 shows videos all friggin day. MTV Europe and Japan show a lot of music videos as well.

Nick715 said:

People watch music videos on youtube these days. MTV is irrelevant (to me at least).

Young adults aren't watching TV either . . . if it's not on the net it doesn't exist.

DesireeNevermind said:

MTV2 shows videos all friggin day. MTV Europe and Japan show a lot of music videos as well.

Exactly! MTV2, VH1 classic, VH1 soul, and Fuse all play music videos pretty much all day. If you want to watch music videos, just watch the sister channels but if you want to watch the reality shows, watch the originals. MTV and VH1 do both still play videos early in the morning weekdays and weekends. Honestly, if people didn't watch that bullshit Jersey Shore, The Hills, and all the 'Of Love' shows, than we'd still have our MTV and VH1. It's all 'The Real World's fault for being soo damned interesting in the beginning, they started this reality TV lovefest which has just spread to all channels not just MTV and VH1.

Timmy84 said:

MTV will never come back. Might as well just change the name of the channel.

I sadly have to agree. The time of the exciting, innovative, and creative music video is over...a long time ago. When MTV first started, it had cutting edge, creative videos by creative people. That degraded over time...a long time ago. Those days are gone. Any innovation will be by independent artists/video producers who might not have any outlet except art school and You Tube, unfortunately. You may see the odd music video, slickly produced, that may be creative on conventional outlets like MTV but that is getting so rare it is an endangered species....

MickyDolenz said:

Timmy84 said:

VH-1 came out in 1985 (I think the same with Video Jukebox/The Box).

I remember VH-1 was originally a channel playing AC acts like Air Supply, Melissa Manchester, and Kenny Rogers. It was started by MTV to reach a more older audience that wasn't interested in Loverboy and The Cars, lol.

Oooh yeah. It was AWFUL for a few years.

alphastreet said:

MTV died in the mid 90's

around 98

PoppyBros said:

alphastreet said:

MTV died in the mid 90's

around 98

TRL killed it

alphastreet said:

PoppyBros said:

around 98

TRL killed it

Actually i thought Carson was cool,

Every time I watched it, he looked uber uncomfortable, like he really didn't want to be there.

I sgree with Eddie Vedder, music videos ruin songs. They put an image in your head that you see, even when you hear the song without seeing the video. This prevents you from using your imagination and letting the song take you to another place. I think a great song can make you picture different things, depending on what kind of mood you are in. That being said, I do not care what MTV does.

rmartin70 said:

I sgree with Eddie Vedder, music videos ruin songs. They put an image in your head that you see, even when you hear the song without seeing the video. This prevents you from using your imagination and letting the song take you to another place. I think a great song can make you picture different things, depending on what kind of mood you are in. That being said, I do not care what MTV does.

Pearl Jam's breakthrough owed a lot to the MTV rotation of the Alive, Jeremy and Even Flow videos.

one key problem I see here is this idea that a shitload of money is going to make music videos interesting. It doesn't, it's part of why the channel died. Take November Rain for instance, or Don't Cry. What overproduced bullshit mini movies those were.

The very best videos MTV aired were the ones that looked like they were done for less than $10,000. I think Van Halen's 'Jump' cost the band under a grand, at least that's what they were saying in 1984.

Here's the real deal:

abigail05 said:

one key problem I see here is this idea that a shitload of money is going to make music videos interesting. It doesn't, it's part of why the channel died. Take November Rain for instance, or Don't Cry. What overproduced bullshit mini movies those were.

Bullshit they may've been, but their heavy rotation on MTV et al brought the exposure necessary to flog albums and concert tickets. Between 91 and 93 they passed though the UK three times, selling out big stadia on numerous dates.

Cerebus said:

MickyDolenz said:

I remember VH-1 was originally a channel playing AC acts like Air Supply, Melissa Manchester, and Kenny Rogers. It was started by MTV to reach a more older audience that wasn't interested in Loverboy and The Cars, lol.

Oooh yeah. It was AWFUL for a few years.

Sometimes I like some light rock to listen to, but didn't really care about watching music videos of it. A lot of the videos on VH-1 back then were like someone walking along the beach like Kool & The Gang's Cherish. I'd watch VH-1 occasionally if nothing else was on, as long as Michael Bolton or Yanni wasn't on. I remember Video Soul on BET would show Michael Bolton videos too for some reason. But I'd rather watch him than those ringtone hoochie acts BET has now.