scandalousalan said:

PurpleJedi said:

THIS is a good Kenny Rogers tune;

Still not convinced, brownie points for sporting the ice white turtle neck tho Kenny.

JoeTyler said:

Supertramp

Nick Drake

Humble Pie

Snopp Dogg (unless he's working with Dre)

Vanilla Ice

Whitney Houston (after 1985/86...)

Power-Metal (the whole genre)

Billy Corgan (solo)

Ice MC

Boyzone

Chayanne

Billy Ray Cirus

Carrie, Hannah, Taylor, Ashlee...

Nelly Furtado

Usher

The Drakemeister on a list with Vanilla Ice, Boyzone and the other dints for being crap Musically, spiritually, and emotionally, his three albums transcend British folk, they're canonical. Why aren't Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen on there?

elmer said:

JoeTyler said:

Supertramp

Nick Drake

Humble Pie

Snopp Dogg (unless he's working with Dre)

Vanilla Ice

Whitney Houston (after 1985/86...)

Power-Metal (the whole genre)

Billy Corgan (solo)

Ice MC

Boyzone

Chayanne

Billy Ray Cirus

Carrie, Hannah, Taylor, Ashlee...

Nelly Furtado

Usher

The Drakemeister on a list with Vanilla Ice, Boyzone and the other dints for being crap Musically, spiritually, and emotionally, his three albums transcend British folk, they're canonical. Why aren't Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen on there?

canonical by whom?...Rolling Stone? pff, ok. Bob Dylan and Mr.Cohen are not here because they can write catchy choruses, dynamic hooks, unexpected bridges, etc. Nick cannot... the man couldn't write a catchy-melodic tune to save his life, and he wasn't, precisely, the most versatile-innovative artist in the studio, was he?

If I want emotion, my spirit fulfilled, etc, I'll go to church

"Emotionally naked" british folk is usually a pain in the neck...

[Edited 11/19/10 7:18am]

JoeTyler said:

elmer said:

The Drakemeister on a list with Vanilla Ice, Boyzone and the other dints for being crap Musically, spiritually, and emotionally, his three albums transcend British folk, they're canonical. Why aren't Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen on there?

canonical by whom?...Rolling Stone? pff, ok. Bob Dylan and Mr.Cohen are not here because they can write catchy choruses, dynamic hooks, unexpected bridges, etc. Nick cannot... the man couldn't write a catchy-melodic tune to save his life, and he wasn't, precisely, the most versatile-innovative artist in the studio, was he?

If I want emotion, my spirit fulfilled, etc, I'll go to church

"Emotionally naked" british folk is usually a pain in the neck...

[Edited 11/19/10 7:18am]

Canonical, leaving aside the quality of choruses/hooks/bridges you attribute to Dylan and Cohen that I think are in evidence to the same extent on an album like Five Leaves Left, because his music articulated a British end-of-empire melancholy of its time, conveying a disappointment in the modern world that many young people are experiencing right now. I say end-of-empire because Nick was born in Burma to a colonialist family at the conclusion of the Raj.

River Man, Time Of No Reply, he has so many catchy-melodic tunes. Pink Moon is the album that takes time, can initially come across as overly bleak, self-absorbed and miserablist;which yeah a lot of British folk is.. But I don't think that album was ever meant as a starting point. I think his work displays historical relevance, and songwriting that doesn't just speak of a "universal" human condition. Dylan wasn't hardly versatile, and his voice dims all his music imo. Drake has gotta be canonical by anybody compiling a list of important songwriters of the late 20th.

elmer said:

JoeTyler said:

canonical by whom?...Rolling Stone? pff, ok. Bob Dylan and Mr.Cohen are not here because they can write catchy choruses, dynamic hooks, unexpected bridges, etc. Nick cannot... the man couldn't write a catchy-melodic tune to save his life, and he wasn't, precisely, the most versatile-innovative artist in the studio, was he?

If I want emotion, my spirit fulfilled, etc, I'll go to church

"Emotionally naked" british folk is usually a pain in the neck...

[Edited 11/19/10 7:18am]

Canonical, leaving aside the quality of choruses/hooks/bridges you attribute to Dylan and Cohen that I think are in evidence to the same extent on an album like Five Leaves Left, because his music articulated a British end-of-empire melancholy of its time, conveying a disappointment in the modern world that many young people are experiencing right now. I say end-of-empire because Nick was born in Burma to a colonialist family at the conclusion of the Raj.

River Man, Time Of No Reply, he has so many catchy-melodic tunes. Pink Moon is the album that takes time, can initially come across as overly bleak, self-absorbed and miserablist;which yeah a lot of British folk is.. But I don't think that album was ever meant as a starting point. I think his work displays historical relevance, and songwriting that doesn't just speak of a "universal" human condition. Dylan wasn't hardly versatile, and his voice dims all his music imo. Drake has gotta be canonical by anybody compiling a list of important songwriters of the late 20th.

If not for Rolling Stone and 00s chaotical-judgemental websites of alternative music, Drake would have disappeared of the pages of popular music. Well, no, that's radical, but he would be a "nearly" forgotten act. In fact, he's not popular at all.

Nick doesn't have a hit or a song that everybody says "oh yeah, that one" . On top of that I think that Zeppelin (yeah, Zeppelin) are much better doing downbeat british folk than Nick.

that said, if anybody compiles a "best of" of the years 69-72 I do accept that Nick deserves to be represented.

It's like Tim Buckley and his son, Jeff, I still don't know what the fuss was about...

JoeTyler said:

elmer said:

Canonical, leaving aside the quality of choruses/hooks/bridges you attribute to Dylan and Cohen that I think are in evidence to the same extent on an album like Five Leaves Left, because his music articulated a British end-of-empire melancholy of its time, conveying a disappointment in the modern world that many young people are experiencing right now. I say end-of-empire because Nick was born in Burma to a colonialist family at the conclusion of the Raj.

River Man, Time Of No Reply, he has so many catchy-melodic tunes. Pink Moon is the album that takes time, can initially come across as overly bleak, self-absorbed and miserablist;which yeah a lot of British folk is.. But I don't think that album was ever meant as a starting point. I think his work displays historical relevance, and songwriting that doesn't just speak of a "universal" human condition. Dylan wasn't hardly versatile, and his voice dims all his music imo. Drake has gotta be canonical by anybody compiling a list of important songwriters of the late 20th.

If not for Rolling Stone and 00s chaotical-judgemental websites of alternative music, Drake would have disappeared of the pages of popular music. Well, no, that's radical, but he would be a "nearly" forgotten act. In fact, he's not popular at all.

Nick doesn't have a hit or a song that everybody says "oh yeah, that one" . On top of that I think that Zeppelin (yeah, Zeppelin) are much better doing downbeat british folk than Nick.

that said, if anybody compiles a "best of" of the years 69-72 I do accept that Nick deserves to be represented.

It's like Tim Buckley and his son, Jeff, I still don't know what the fuss was about...

Yeah but popularity doesn't imply quality, he only shifted about 7,000 albums in his lifetime while the Bay City Rollers, Cliff Richard and their ilk were chart mainstays in the UK. I love Zeppelin, but their music doesn't evoke atmostpheres as eerily dreamy or abstract as Nick's, and we all know about Jimmy Page pilfering guitar parts left-right-and-centre.

Much prefer Tim, but find him easier to stomach in greatest hits form. Song To The Siren is the saddest song I've heard.

Whoever came up with this thread, thank you! Now I can vent. Fantasia Barrino cannot sing! Fantasia comes from a generation of soul singers who thinks that SCREAMING is singing. The same thing that caused me to cringe when Patti Labelle sung "Purple Rain", her singing is more about a contest of endurance than vocalizing. At lease when Chaka Khan does it she has enough control and musicality to balance it. Mariah Carey can sing in my opinion, but her music is 100% fluff. It's the same sugary, saccharine, prissy princess routing she's been playing for the last 15 years.

"Pretty Boy Swag" summarizes perfectly pop music the last 10 years. I'm sick of people making excuses for him: he's so young, give him time, he succeeded on his own terms, etc. LL Cool J was younger than Soulja Boy when he made his first record "I Need My Radio" and it didn't sound like computerized shit. I have nothing against disco music, but all those people who thought they ended disco music with "disco sucks", didn't really kill disco because if you look at the acts on the charts, their music is really no different from disco. Soulja Boy, T-Pain, Trey Songz to me are worse than any disco act of the '70s ( barring KC and The Sunshine band ).

JoeTyler said: anyway, this thread was about "acts you think are crap", not "act you don't like at all"

This thread is leaning towards that imo. I can understand that some artists are not everyone's cup of tea. That's fine, until the point of commenting about their artistic merit.

There is this thin line that of not digging an artist but still being able to acknowledge their accomplishments. The earlier mentioned Sinatra for example. I take much regard

in Miles Davis' words, which complimented Frank's vocal timing (published in his autobiography book in collaboration with Quincy Throupe). Frank's recording of "One For My

Baby" is an excellent example. Even Robbie Williams re-recorded it for a special crooners-project. I can appreciate Robbie's input but there's something about Frank's version

which just has that certain touch imo. Especially the brief pause around 2:55 and where the great string-arrangements of Nelson Riddle enter. Nelson composed those

arrangements in a short period of time (talking about artistic merit)

[Edited 11/21/10 5:54am]

It's been a while since I watched anything on VH1, so this weekend I thought I would listen to what was on the top 20 countdown.

Every act on VH1's countdown has no artistic merit. I have been away from commercial music for such a long time I had no idea how bad it's gotten. Really the blandest music I've ever listened to. Makes Celine Dion sound cutting edge.

V10LETBLUES said:

It's been a while since I watched anything on VH1, so this weekend I thought I would listen to what was on the top 20 countdown.

Every act on VH1's countdown has no artistic merit. I have been away from commercial music for such a long time I had no idea how bad it's gotten. Really the blandest music I've ever listened to. Makes Celine Dion sound cutting edge.

do you think that not liking much of the current top 20 is more to do with getting older ( the singles market has always been bought mainly by teenagers ) or is the current music scene really crap ?...i admit i dont like many big acts who are popular just now ....i like lady gaga because i think she is talented and i think she will last a few years but i cant think of any others.....

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but ' back in the day ' ...my parents thought that the music i was listening to was mainly crap ?.....is it just a generation thing that repeats itself ?.....i mean...there was a lot of crap in the 80s as well..i just used to like a lot more of the charts than i do now...maybe i am just an old foggy now

[Edited 11/21/10 8:29am]

TonyVanDam said:

C.R.A.P. = Contemporary Rap And Pop

By THIS^ definition alone, that is most of the artists that are played on corporate-owned Top 40 radio these days!

That sums it up for me too.

Madonna

seeingvoices12 said:

Madonna

...let the cyberstoning begin...

seeingvoices12 said:

Madonna

i wouldnt say she is crap.....she isnt very good i would say...madonna is more a good businesswoman to me than anything else....have to give her props for remaining relevent i suppose but her musicial talent is limited...

blackbob said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Madonna

i wouldnt say she is crap.....she isnt very good i would say...madonna is more a good businesswoman to me than anything else....have to give her props for remaining relevent i suppose but her musicial talent is limited...

well, at least she writes her own songs (since Like a Prayer, at least), and give her more credit because she usually chooses the right producer to bring those songs to full life.

Madonna is usually hated by Janet fans, misogynistic jerks, rednecks and radical nerds of the "Real Music-Real Musicians" religion...

but I do agree that the lady has released crap some times: half of Erotica, half of American Life, Hard Candy, etc...

blackbob said:

iloveannie said:

Stone Roses!? With one of the best guitarists around!? Jeez.

How about Mika? Fucking annoying and gives gay men a bad image.

oh god....mika.....i forgot about him......how f**king annoying is he?....

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Thats hilarious, mika he's a real stereotype there, but we had a Mika in New Zealand long before it. He's a Maori Drag Queen artist (Hes a gay guy but inisists hes a man not a tranny) and Mika was known in gay world as an egotistical cow, his real name is a hoot (Neil Gudsell) and Mika was popular from 1990 (When he recorded a song here called "I have loved me a man" it was promptly banned) until recently.

Anyway we named a female cat (Cornish Rex) Mika as when we bought them (With my first partner in 2000) we changed her name from from Abbey to Mika. You will all be pleased to know Mika is 13 now and shes doing very well, unlike the other two Mika's

blackbob said:

give me the artists/groups who have been successful but you think are terrible/crap/ (no artistic whatsoever ) ....artists who are the pinnacle of bad taste...and why you think they are soo bad ..

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i will start with NICKELBACK...a one dimensional band who have been caught releasing the same song twice...same chords, same melody...same sound..different lyrics...you know what this band are going to sound like before you hear their latest track...so bad

.

BON JOVI....just soo predictable...come on...

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WESTLIFE....god...musical prostitutes...will sing any song that can keep them on the charts....write and play their own songs....dont be silly.....everything i hate about music..they are it...

.

lots more but i need to go to work...add later....whats your pet hates..?

[Edited 11/18/10 14:57pm]

I wish all of the good rock bands would hunt Knickleback down and take turns pelting them with rocks...I want them to hurt...they suck so bad.

blackbob said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Madonna

i wouldnt say she is crap.....she isnt very good i would say...madonna is more a good businesswoman to me than anything else....have to give her props for remaining relevent i suppose but her musicial talent is limited...

You have opened a real Pandora's box here, just like my little thread about filler (Now that was a lead bomb cake). My list of crap artists with no artistic merit.

Nickelback

Linkun Park

Blink 182

Green Day

Shakira

Katy Perry (I mean honestly how many songs does she have in the charts, here in NZ Firework and I forget the other one (Its #1) are on it and California Girls are all on it still), they all sound the same like a watered down Pink (Someone who had some talent).

Rhianna (Another overrated Performer)

Chris Brown (Run It was decent, the rest was crap)

Most Shit Hoppers (Excluding Kanye West, who may be a bit full of himself, but he has ability lets face it).

Stan Walker (Bland)

Most Idol winners like Taylor Swift, Kelly Clarkson etc

X factor winners

Blue and Westlife (Like u said, musical whores willing to record any old thing, unfortunately a lot of Britains lesser talent seems to be popular here too)

Christina Aguilera

Britney Spears (And any other Sex/Bimbo/Whore singer)

Nelly Furtado

Black Eyed Peas (Fuck they are dumb, their IQ's must be between 50 and 59) their music irritates the fuck out of me.

Gorillaz (Overrated synthesiser 80s derive dnonsense) Great Lift Music

Crap artists that have some musical talent/artistic merit (I don't like them, but they are good at their art)

Jay Z

Pink

Whitney Houston (After 1998)

Drake

Beyonce

Mariah Carey

Maroon 5

Bob Dylan

Ex beatle members

Artists people who have said are crap, which are not crap, but bloody good as I like them and they have artistic merit

Celine Dion (How dare you!!!) whoever said that

Kenny Rogers

Dolly Parton (Have a CD of her greatest hits which are great)

Barbra Streisand

Shirley Bassey

Whitney Houston (To 1998)

Madonna

Kylei Minogue

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Huggiebear said:

blackbob said:

i wouldnt say she is crap.....she isnt very good i would say...madonna is more a good businesswoman to me than anything else....have to give her props for remaining relevent i suppose but her musicial talent is limited...

You have opened a real Pandora's box here, just like my little thread about filler (Now that was a lead bomb cake). My list of crap artists with no artistic merit.

Nickelback

Linkun Park

Blink 182

Green Day

Shakira

Katy Perry (I mean honestly how many songs does she have in the charts, here in NZ Firework and I forget the other one (Its #1) are on it and California Girls are all on it still), they all sound the same like a watered down Pink (Someone who had some talent).

Rhianna (Another overrated Performer)

Chris Brown (Run It was decent, the rest was crap)

Most Shit Hoppers (Excluding Kanye West, who may be a bit full of himself, but he has ability lets face it).

Stan Walker (Bland)

Most Idol winners like Taylor Swift, Kelly Clarkson etc

X factor winners

Blue and Westlife (Like u said, musical whores willing to record any old thing, unfortunately a lot of Britains lesser talent seems to be popular here too)

Christina Aguilera

Britney Spears (And any other Sex/Bimbo/Whore singer)

Nelly Furtado

Black Eyed Peas (Fuck they are dumb, their IQ's must be between 50 and 59) their music irritates the fuck out of me.

Gorillaz (Overrated synthesiser 80s derive dnonsense) Great Lift Music

Crap artists that have some musical talent/artistic merit (I don't like them, but they are good at their art)

Jay Z

Pink

Whitney Houston (After 1998)

Drake

Beyonce

Mariah Carey

Maroon 5

Bob Dylan

Ex beatle members

Artists people who have said are crap, which are not crap, but bloody good as I like them and they have artistic merit

Celine Dion (How dare you!!!) whoever said that

Kenny Rogers

Dolly Parton (Have a CD of her greatest hits which are great)

Barbra Streisand

Shirley Bassey

Whitney Houston (To 1998)

Madonna

Kylei Minogue

[Edited 12/11/10 14:27pm]

He's a Win/Lose I think he should stick to writing for other artists. I like the Alicia record.