Anyone checked it out??

Some deep stuff, quite sad

yea... i didn't know she was 24 when she died.... very sad story

Interesting how her mother blamed Motown & others for her condition, when it seem to have develope since her childhood...

funkpill said:

Interesting how her mother blamed Motown & others for her condition, when it seem to have develope since her childhood...

No one from Motown should have been blamed for her abuse from David Ruffin

but David himself.

Had to record this on my DVR last night...I'll be watching tonight and then give my synopsis...

funkpill said:

Interesting how her mother blamed Motown & others for her condition, when it seem to have develope since her childhood...

She felt Motown was not doing her any good releasing material while she was sick. Marvin also believed this. He refused to promote their final album while she was getting sicker.

Also Tammi's mother only would allow Marvin at her daughter's funeral. So I'm sure David Ruffin wasn't allowed to go to the funeral.

It's great to note however that despite her short life, Tammi DID live a full life. You didn't get a full version of it on "Unsung" but it was a good inclination that she did enjoy her life as long as she could and that she remain optimistic and driven even while dealing with so much bullshit. I can see how Marvin would be affected deeply by it I would've too.

funkpill said:

Interesting how her mother blamed Motown & others for her condition, when it seem to have develope since her childhood...

I can understand why she felt that way... But the Dr clearly said that he didnt believe that these reported beatings had anything to do with her tumor... Still a very sad story

banks said:

funkpill said:

Interesting how her mother blamed Motown & others for her condition, when it seem to have develope since her childhood...

I can understand why she felt that way... But the Dr clearly said that he didnt believe that these reported beatings had anything to do with her tumor... Still a very sad story

Yeah and I can believe it. Especially if she had headaches going back to childhood. The truth is if she was hit with a hammer (as Martha Reeves for some odd reason said happened because Tammi told her apparently that she was hit with one as a teen in Philly), she'd be brain dead. So I doubt she was hit with a hammer.

And abuse towards someone does bring damage but not to the point where she had the tumor but the abuse surely didn't help matters especially when her main abusers were James Brown and David Ruffin. Marvin at one time said he kept a distance between him and James afraid he might beat him up for what James did to Tammi. I can imagine he wanted to beat David up for the same reason.

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Timmy84 said:

banks said:

I can understand why she felt that way... But the Dr clearly said that he didnt believe that these reported beatings had anything to do with her tumor... Still a very sad story

Yeah and I can believe it. Especially if she had headaches going back to childhood. The truth is if she was hit with a hammer (as Martha Reeves for some odd reason said happened because Tammi told her apparently that she was hit with one as a teen in Philly), she'd be brain dead. So I doubt she was hit with a hammer.

And abuse towards someone does bring damage but not to the point where she had the tumor but the abuse surely didn't help matters especially when her main abusers were James Brown and David Ruffin. Marvin at one time said he kept a distance between him and James afraid he might beat him up for what James did to Tammi. I can imagine he wanted to beat David up for the same reason.

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Timmy84 said:

banks said:

I can understand why she felt that way... But the Dr clearly said that he didnt believe that these reported beatings had anything to do with her tumor... Still a very sad story

Yeah and I can believe it. Especially if she had headaches going back to childhood. The truth is if she was hit with a hammer (as Martha Reeves for some odd reason said happened because Tammi told her apparently that she was hit with one as a teen in Philly), she'd be brain dead. So I doubt she was hit with a hammer.

And abuse towards someone does bring damage but not to the point where she had the tumor but the abuse surely didn't help matters especially when her main abusers were James Brown and David Ruffin. Marvin at one time said he kept a distance between him and James afraid he might beat him up for what James did to Tammi. I can imagine he wanted to beat David up for the same reason.

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so she died at 24.. how old was she when she started singing with Marvin ?

she must have been a lil feisty sumthin to have 2 very high profile entertainers beat her the way they did...

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banks said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah and I can believe it. Especially if she had headaches going back to childhood. The truth is if she was hit with a hammer (as Martha Reeves for some odd reason said happened because Tammi told her apparently that she was hit with one as a teen in Philly), she'd be brain dead. So I doubt she was hit with a hammer.

And abuse towards someone does bring damage but not to the point where she had the tumor but the abuse surely didn't help matters especially when her main abusers were James Brown and David Ruffin. Marvin at one time said he kept a distance between him and James afraid he might beat him up for what James did to Tammi. I can imagine he wanted to beat David up for the same reason.

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so she died at 24.. how old was she when she started singing with Marvin ?

21. Though it was at first separately. Tammi cut her vocal for "Ain't No Mountain High Enough" on January 6, 1967. Marvin cut his vocal on January 29.

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banks said:

she must have been a lil feisty sumthin to have 2 very high profile entertainers beat her the way they did...

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here you go..

banks said:

she must have been a lil feisty sumthin to have 2 very high profile entertainers beat her the way they did...

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James was like that with all the women in his circle. It was James' rough treatment that led her to call home to be taken back to Philly in early '64. With David, she was truly in love with him. But she broke it off after he hit her with his helmet. I doubt Tammi caused it, if that's what you were stating. That's not exactly fair. According to Marvin, Tammi was a vulnerable thing. I'm sure she told Marvin about her painful childhood and her relationships. According to people close to them, Tammi looked at Marvin like an older brother (and Marvin looked at her like a younger sister). Tammi was a sweetheart that was abused and even raped and VERY misunderstood. So her being "feisty" doesn't exclude the pain two men conflicted on her.

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paisleypark4 said:

banks said:

she must have been a lil feisty sumthin to have 2 very high profile entertainers beat her the way they did...

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here you go..

no i don't mean that she deserved to be beat.. i just meant that she was feisty in probally she fought back as someone stated that when he asked David about the rumors of him beating her and he said it was the other way around "that she kicked his ass"

banks said:

paisleypark4 said:

here you go..

no i don't mean that she deserved to be beat.. i just meant that she was feisty in probally she fought back as someone stated that when he asked David about the rumors of him beating her and he said it was the other way around "that she kicked his ass"

I think it was because she was more in love with David that that's why their fights were combative but I don't think the same can be said about James.

Timmy84 said:

banks said:

no i don't mean that she deserved to be beat.. i just meant that she was feisty in probally she fought back as someone stated that when he asked David about the rumors of him beating her and he said it was the other way around "that she kicked his ass"

I think it was because she was more in love with David that that's why their fights were combative but I don't think the same can be said about James.

ok... i understand... thats why i used the word feisty ( she didn't appear to be a push over) type of girl

banks said:

Timmy84 said:

I think it was because she was more in love with David that that's why their fights were combative but I don't think the same can be said about James.

ok... i understand... thats why i used the word feisty ( she didn't appear to be a push over) type of girl

But she did allow herself to be abused so I don't know. I mean she had a lot of sides to her personality (like Florence Ballard). Both of them appeared to be feisty but it was only to combat from the pain they suffered in their childhoods. It festered when they got older.

banks said:

paisleypark4 said:

here you go..

no i don't mean that she deserved to be beat.. i just meant that she was feisty in probally she fought back as someone stated that when he asked David about the rumors of him beating her and he said it was the other way around "that she kicked his ass"

Oh ok broham...yes she was taking off earrings and weave..grab that vaseline, mama wasnt playing.

Timmy84 said:

banks said:

ok... i understand... thats why i used the word feisty ( she didn't appear to be a push over) type of girl

But she did allow herself to be abused so I don't know. I mean she had a lot of sides to her personality (like Florence Ballard). Both of them appeared to be feisty but it was only to combat from the pain they suffered in their childhoods. It festered when they got older.

you hit on the head... I imagine her to be kinda sassy like Flo

paisleypark4 said:

banks said:

no i don't mean that she deserved to be beat.. i just meant that she was feisty in probally she fought back as someone stated that when he asked David about the rumors of him beating her and he said it was the other way around "that she kicked his ass"

Oh ok broham...yes she was taking off earrings and weave..grab that vaseline, mama wasnt playing.

Thats how i envisioned her

banks said:

Timmy84 said:

But she did allow herself to be abused so I don't know. I mean she had a lot of sides to her personality (like Florence Ballard). Both of them appeared to be feisty but it was only to combat from the pain they suffered in their childhoods. It festered when they got older.

you hit on the head... I imagine her to be kinda sassy like Flo

Yeah she did get a little competitive with Marvin. Apparently she told friends she was gonna make "that motherfucker sing" and boy did she ever!

Tammi definitely played a role in the future of Marvin's career because he went from being a softer soul man to a grittier soul man lol

The sound of What's Going On was influenced by his feelings of Terrell's passing. I think he dedicated the album to her.

Timmy84 said:

banks said:

you hit on the head... I imagine her to be kinda sassy like Flo

Yeah she did get a little competitive with Marvin. Apparently she told friends she was gonna make "that motherfucker sing" and boy did she ever!

Tammi definitely played a role in the future of Marvin's career because he went from being a softer soul man to a grittier soul man lol

The sound of What's Going On was influenced by his feelings of Terrell's passing. I think he dedicated the album to her.

yea.. they say he was more reserved in his singing until she pushed him in the studio

Timmy what's your take on the rumors that it was Val's vocals on the last album and not Tammi's ?

banks said:

Timmy what's your take on the rumors that it was Val's vocals on the last album and not Tammi's ?

For a minute I thought she had cleared it up but... I don't know, the fact she didn't exactly steadfastly deny that she was in the studio contributing vocals has to be the puzzling factor. I know Tammi was ill and she probably did try to sing (and from all estimates the girl was driven to sing at any cost) but I don't know. I'm thinking Tammi DID contribute ("What You Gave Me" sounded Tammi-esque but "Good Things Ain't Easy to Come By" sounded more like Valerie's speed). So I think she probably contributed vocally but maybe one or two songs. I don't know I gotta hear the songs again.

Timmy84 said:

banks said:

Timmy what's your take on the rumors that it was Val's vocals on the last album and not Tammi's ?

For a minute I thought she had cleared it up but... I don't know, the fact she didn't exactly steadfastly deny that she was in the studio contributing vocals has to be the puzzling factor. I know Tammi was ill and she probably did try to sing (and from all estimates the girl was driven to sing at any cost) but I don't know. I'm thinking Tammi DID contribute ("What You Gave Me" sounded Tammi-esque but "Good Things Ain't Easy to Come By" sounded more like Valerie's speed). So I think she probably contributed vocally but maybe one or two songs. I don't know I gotta hear the songs again.

Yea that was puzzling.. Valerie did say that she sang the songs with Marvin and then they went back and re-recorded Tammi's vocals over hers.. but if true Valerie will never admit that it was her and not Tammi

banks said:

Timmy84 said:

For a minute I thought she had cleared it up but... I don't know, the fact she didn't exactly steadfastly deny that she was in the studio contributing vocals has to be the puzzling factor. I know Tammi was ill and she probably did try to sing (and from all estimates the girl was driven to sing at any cost) but I don't know. I'm thinking Tammi DID contribute ("What You Gave Me" sounded Tammi-esque but "Good Things Ain't Easy to Come By" sounded more like Valerie's speed). So I think she probably contributed vocally but maybe one or two songs. I don't know I gotta hear the songs again.

Yea that was puzzling.. Valerie did say that she sang the songs with Marvin and then they went back and re-recorded Tammi's vocals over hers.. but if true Valerie will never admit that it was her and not Tammi

I'm thinking, and had always thought, Valerie was doing that to respect Tammi (and this is only backed up by her husband and Ludie Montgomery) and not to admit that Motown had forced her and Marvin to cut the duets together despite Tammi's condition.

Timmy84 said:

banks said:

Yea that was puzzling.. Valerie did say that she sang the songs with Marvin and then they went back and re-recorded Tammi's vocals over hers.. but if true Valerie will never admit that it was her and not Tammi

I'm thinking, and had always thought, Valerie was doing that to respect Tammi (and this is only backed up by her husband and Ludie Montgomery) and not to admit that Motown had forced her and Marvin to cut the duets together despite Tammi's condition.

That's what i think... she'll never admit it out of her love and respect for Tammi