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Is England No Longer Madonna's Cup O' Tea?

Reports that she's fed up with England r coming 4th and also being denied... read on:

Britain Buzzes Over Madonna Departure
By JILL LAWLESS, Associated Press Writer

LONDON - Is the love affair over between Britain and the superstar it likes to call Madge?

Recent press reports claimed adopted Londoner Madonna (news - web sites) has decamped to Los Angeles, defeated by the dreary English weather.


But Madonna's spokeswoman said the absence is only temporary.


"She'll be back in London in the spring," Liz Rosenberg said Wednesday. "Madonna has homes in the States, she has homes in England, and she moves between the two."


A spokesman for Madonna's British husband, Guy Ritchie (news), said the couple split their time evenly between Britain and the United States.


British newspapers reported this month that Madonna had withdrawn her 6-year-old daughter, Lourdes, from a London school, and quoted the singer as telling friends she was fed up with "everything that is English."


One magazine quoted Madonna's father-in-law, John Ritchie, as saying: "Madonna is very happy to be out of London because the harsh winter weather was getting her down."


The reports of Madonna's departure cheered some sections of the British press.


"Madonna the Brit," wrote David Thomas in Wednesday's Daily Mail, was "a classic case of the rich, crass, clueless American playing at English tradition."


How things have changed since the singer married Ritchie — the 34-year-old filmmaker behind the gangster flicks "Snatch" and "Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels" — in December 2000 at a Scottish castle.


Soon, Madonna sightings were as common as double-decker buses in London. The 44-year-old began speaking in a mild "Mockney" accent and was photographed wearing tweeds, flat caps and — a more downmarket British fashion favorite — track suits.


Madonna and Ritchie bought a London house and a mansion in the English countryside, where the vegetarian star briefly took up pheasant shooting. Scottish tourist authorities even gave her her own tartan as an anniversary gift.


But critics trashed Madonna's West End acting debut in the satire "Up For Grabs" last May. And distributors decided not to release last year's "Swept Away" in Britain after the film — directed by Ritchie and starring Madonna as a spoiled socialite marooned on a deserted island — failed spectacularly in the United States.

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I'm sure it's much ado 'bout nuttin'. She's a continental hopper... She'll b back and 4th...

Poor Lola. rolleyes lol
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Reply #1 posted 01/29/03 2:25pm

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And then there's this:

Two Madonna related campaigns have been launched in the British media. The Daily Mail has launched a campaign to keep Madonna out of the country and magazine Closer has launched one to bring her back. Read on for full article.

The Daily Mail - who banned Madonna from their pages during the Sex/Girlie Show period - have set aside two pages for their campaign to keep her in America. Under the headline Good Riddance Madge David Thomas says:-

The question is not:"Why is Madonna leaving this country?" The question is: "Why did we ever care that she was here in the first place?" Madonna may be ferociously disciplined, working herself in the gym until her figure is a fat-free muscle machine, bereft of feminine softness. She may follow every new fashion trend with unnerving dedicaton. But beneath the artifice, there's little beyond an endless parade of images - from the spiky bra wearing dominatrix, to the pony-tailed wife and mum. Now it is the turn of her latest incarnation - Madonna the Brit - to elave the stage. Following a foul-mouthed tirade about the shortcomings of London life, she has removed her children from our schools and returned to the U.S. Aparently she found our weather not to her liking.

Well, good riddance. If Madonna knew anything about Britain she'd know that the weather may be a reason to moan but it isn't a reason to quit. But the truth is that, once again, she had merely adopted a new image, including a laughable attempt at mimicking the hunting, shooting and fishing set. It was a classic case of the rich, crass, clueless American, playing at English tradition. It may have seemed that she was trying to fit in with her second husband Guy Ritchie's interests - but she soon had him fitting in with hers. For her most recent fad hs been to dabble in a branch of Jewish mysticism called the Kabballah. For a woman named after the Virgin Mary, whose daugher Lourdes ws named after a Roman Catholic shrine, she casually put aside her supposed Catholicism and tried a new religion for size, dragging poor Guy along with her skull cap and all.

Still, it serves Guy right if he's caught up in his wife's endless re-inventions, as he's an equally bogus character himself - a nice, upper-middle-class country gent, posing as a Mockney geezer. As they sat in their Kensington local with Madonna proclaiming her love of warm English beer and Guy talking about "the Missus", it was hard to know which fo the two was the most nauseatingly phoney. That absence of genuine content is as true of Madonna's music as her appearance. As a pop star Madonna is an astonishing commercial phenomenon.

At the start of her career, she briefly helped define the attitues of the Eighties generation. When she sang "We are living in a material world/ And I am a material girl", she defined her fellow Yuppies in a single verse. But how much of her work had any real substance beyond its immediate chart shelf-life? Some musicians create the soundtracks to our lives. Madonna is barely the soundtrack to a lifestyle. Go back through her vast body of work and you'll find fewer than a dozen singles that have genuine staying power. It's arguable too that she's only ever made one decent album, her 1998 comeback, Ray Of Light. Indeed, its production was the reason Madonna came to London. She had just gone through the worst period of her career. A series of tacky sex-stunts - semi-pronographic films, a sleazy book of nude photographs - had turned her from an icon into something perilously close to a joke. She desperately needed to restore her commercial clout and her criticial credibility. So tawdry were her publicity-seeking tactics during the early Nineties that the Daily Mail declared itself a Madonna-free zone. Her star was rapidly waning on her own side of the Atlantic. Yet London rolled over before Madonna like a slobbering puppy. Madonna played on British insecurities. she made us feel greatful that an American megastar should choose to live in London, to marry an Englishman, and to hold her wedding ceremony at a Scottish castle. Yet Madonna owed us more than she let on.

Madonna is only as good as her collaborators. Her skill is less that of an artist than an impresario. Like a showbiz queen she picks her courtiers and advisers, then lets them attend to the details of her reign. Take her brief relationship with fitness trainer Carlos Leon that produced her daughter Lourdes (nicknamed Lola). After the baby was born, Leon was dumped. Madonna claimed that "he is ever present in Lola's life and we are friends", but the overriding impression remained that she had picked a fit, handsome stud, just as a horsebreeder chose a stallion. she is also an unmatched setter of trends. Her appearances on London's streets wearing a velour Juicy Coutre tracksuit inspired others to dress themselves in what was, after all, just a tarted up version of Waynettam Slob's sink estate uniform. If it was good enough for Madonna, they reasoned, it must be good enough for anyone. Madonna is the ultimate example of our culture's mindless celebrity-worship. The maintenance of her fame is the be-all and end-all of her existence. If it suits her to pose on the moral high ground, she'll portray herself as a concerned wife and mother. But if she ever feels she's been too long without a cheap headline, all the old tacky tricks return, like her foul-mouthed tirade at the 2001 Turner Prize Awards. And it is the lust for fame, far more than her complaints about the weather, or her moans about the rights of ramblers to cross her £8million Ashcombe Estate in Wiltshire, that may be the true reason she has decamped back to Los Angeles. Or it may simply be that she realises her career is in dire needs of another reinvention. Swept Away, the film she made with Guy Ritchie, flopped so badly in the U.S. that it has not even been released in this country. Also, her theme for the latest James Bond epic, Die Another Day, was universally derided. Now she's gone back home to the States, taking Guy, Lourdes and son Rocco with her. Certainly the paparazzi will be sorry to see her go. Her fans, too, will mourn. They'll claim that we'll never see the like of Madonna again. With any luck they'll be right.

Harsh words indeed. On a slightly more positive note the magainze Closer has Madonna on their front cover with a campaign to get her to move back to the UK. This weeks issue even includes a cut out and keep Madge Badge which they're asking readers to wear in support of their campaign.

Despite all this Madonna's agent still insists she'll be returning to the UK within the next few months.
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Reply #2 posted 01/29/03 3:03pm

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They might have better luck keeping her if they didn't call her 'Madge'. What an ugly nickname!
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Reply #3 posted 01/29/03 3:04pm

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maybe now She will ditch her Adopted Tina Turner British Accent?? Jolly AH!!
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TRON said:

And then there's this: (full story omitted 4 length)


My God, what assholes they r over there... disbelief

One thing I dislike about the Brits (sorry, not a flame, just an observation, and correct me if I'm wrong my .Orgly British friends) is how they always seem 2 project that better than thou attitude amongst themselves...

It comes off as snobbish and crude. I'd love 2 visit England, and love a lot of English artists, but... sometimes the attitude... rolleyes

2 bad.
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Reply #5 posted 01/29/03 3:34pm

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June7 said:

TRON said:

And then there's this: (full story omitted 4 length)


My God, what assholes they r over there... disbelief

One thing I dislike about the Brits (sorry, not a flame, just an observation, and correct me if I'm wrong my .Orgly British friends) is how they always seem 2 project that better than thou attitude amongst themselves...

It comes off as snobbish and crude. I'd love 2 visit England, and love a lot of English artists, but... sometimes the attitude... rolleyes

2 bad.
they divide People up by Class.Prince Charles once said that the English are the only people that Speak Correct English.He said Americans don't.so i want to send Him a Ebonics Book from us back in the USA with a JA RUle,Trick Daddy,&E-40 Audio Tape so He can hear how we really talk.
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Reply #6 posted 01/29/03 4:20pm

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June7 said:

TRON said:

And then there's this: (full story omitted 4 length)


My God, what assholes they r over there... disbelief

One thing I dislike about the Brits (sorry, not a flame, just an observation, and correct me if I'm wrong my .Orgly British friends) is how they always seem 2 project that better than thou attitude amongst themselves...

It comes off as snobbish and crude. I'd love 2 visit England, and love a lot of English artists, but... sometimes the attitude... rolleyes

2 bad.



OI! *pouts*
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Reply #7 posted 01/29/03 5:22pm

GIOVANNI

WOW TRON YOUR NOT an ASS

I love your perspective on Madonna and her whole image thing and how it didnt work playing the Brit Madonna...so true you nailed the whole Madonna thing on the head



drink
[This message was edited Wed Jan 29 17:23:23 PST 2003 by GIOVANNI]
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Reply #8 posted 01/30/03 12:54am

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Madonna's new single "American Life" will be sent to radio on February 20th.The video will be filmed on February 3rd.
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Reply #9 posted 01/30/03 6:02am

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They've got a point about the nature and tools of Madonna's fame ...as much as I hate to disrespect one of my childhood favorites
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Reply #10 posted 01/30/03 6:58am

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June7 said:

TRON said:

And then there's this: (full story omitted 4 length)


My God, what assholes they r over there... disbelief

One thing I dislike about the Brits (sorry, not a flame, just an observation, and correct me if I'm wrong my .Orgly British friends) is how they always seem 2 project that better than thou attitude amongst themselves...

It comes off as snobbish and crude. I'd love 2 visit England, and love a lot of English artists, but... sometimes the attitude... rolleyes

2 bad.


I'm English, i don't consider myself British, so you're OK.

There are down to earth people in England and we don't all talk like we've got a mouthful of marbles.Not everyone acts like they're Royalty over here.

...and for the record i don't have a bowler hat either. wink
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I know not all people over there act like asses, I was just talking 'bout the ones with the 'tude.

It just makes me angry sometimes when I read stuff like that, like:

"Madonna the Brit," wrote David Thomas in Wednesday's Daily Mail, was "a classic case of the rich, crass, clueless American playing at English tradition."


stfu

Da Noive!!! evil
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Reply #12 posted 01/30/03 11:21am

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Oh, and thanks Marrk, 4 the positive vibe.

U could'a really tore in2 me on my remarks... I hope y'all don't feel any negative feelings towards me on my "rant", cuz it's mostly at the folks with nothing good 2 say about anyone, anyway...

We cool... biggrin
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Reply #13 posted 01/30/03 12:23pm

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/a...05,00.html

Madonna: I love England

MADONNA emailed me last night to insist she isn’t quitting Britain — and to say she likes London best.

The Queen of Pop was furious at reports that living here had left her depressed.

In an exclusive despatch, Her Madgesty told me that her mansion in Marble Arch in London’s West End was her favourite.

And she said our schools and countryside were second to none.

She was so incensed, she logged on and fired off the rant to the only journalist she trusts.

Mum-of-two Madonna, who has homes with Brit hubby GUY RITCHIE in New York and Los Angeles as well as Wiltshire and central London, said: “I adore England and when I’m not there I miss it terribly.

“My home in Marble Arch is my favourite house. I put a lot of love and time into making a life for my family there.

“I prefer the schools in England and I love the English countryside.

“How many times do I have to say it,
I LOVE LIVING IN ENGLAND.”

Madonna was attacked after it was claimed she had said this country left her depressed and she hated the weather.

But her spokeswoman, Liz Rosenberg, added: “Madonna has made no secret of her love for London and all things English.

“I mean, come on, she married an Englishman and has spoken frequently (sometimes even in an English accent!) in interviews and to friends about how happy she is living in England.

“Mr and Mrs Ritchie have homes in England and the US.

“They are currently at their home in Los Angeles and plan to return to London in the spring for a long stay.

“The children are schooled in both countries. Reports that Madonna gets depressed in London are not accurate.”
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Silly old Madge being out of the UK this week. I mean, she doesn't like RAIN? OK, but what about the SNOW in London today? It's so fab! And that's twice just this month biggrin
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