bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah and to be frank I don't hate Lisa. I mean I can feel her in some regards but it's really too late. Even Lisa admitted that at least.

Co-sign. Like I said on KOP, I could give 2 nutsacks about ole girl and I never really understood why fans hung to her after they divorced. You still see fans with usernames like "MJLM4EVA" or "MichaelLisaAlways"

Fans look to folks like LMP and Karen Faye to confirm things about Michael. It's quite sad. That's not being objective on the man's life at all. It's all perspective. Honestly, if you read between the lines and piece events together, everything Lisa said today is really nothing new.

MyLuv229 said:

bboy87 said:

Co-sign. Like I said on KOP, I could give 2 nutsacks about ole girl and I never really understood why fans hung to her after they divorced. You still see fans with usernames like "MJLM4EVA" or "MichaelLisaAlways"

Fans look to folks like LMP and Karen Faye to confirm things about Michael. It's quite sad. That's not being objective on the man's life at all. It's all perspective. Honestly, if you read between the lines and piece events together, everything Lisa said today is really nothing new.

Yeah half the stuff she "revealed" Michael confirmed already.

NaughtyKitty said:

MyLuv229 said:

No, they kept in touch, on and off, she was traveling around where he was playing on his tour. According to Michael, she was trying to get back together with him. According to Lisa, they were trying to get back together with each other. But she was dating some muscian guy and was engaged (who she later left for Nic Cage).

True, she was dating that Johnny Ozaka guy for a few years in the late 90s and they were engaged but she called it off. This was all during the time that she and Michael hung out a few times. She broke up with Johnny so she could get with Nic Cage? She certainly does get around doesnt she?

hung out?

is that what we're calling it these days?

No blu ray for "Visions"? Iam amazed.

Theres probably at least half an hour of behind the scenes fottage to every video he ever did post "Thriller" but where is it? Maybe independant companies own it, but I bet Michael had his own behind the scenes crew and Sony and the estate are just being lazy.

The blu ray cuts to "moonwalker" boggle the mind. Michael wouldn't of approved of something so minor yet there they go doing it anyway.

bboy87 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

True, she was dating that Johnny Ozaka guy for a few years in the late 90s and they were engaged but she called it off. This was all during the time that she and Michael hung out a few times. She broke up with Johnny so she could get with Nic Cage? She certainly does get around doesnt she?

hung out?

is that what we're calling it these days?

What...all they did was watch old home movies of Elvis while eating KFC! Kidding of course

thesexofit said:

No blu ray for "Visions"? Iam amazed.

Theres probably at least half an hour of behind the scenes fottage to every video he ever did post "Thriller" but where is it? Maybe independant companies own it, but I bet Michael had his own behind the scenes crew and Sony and the estate are just being lazy.

The blu ray cuts to "moonwalker" boggle the mind. Michael wouldn't of approved of something so minor yet there they go doing it anyway.

Michael definitely did. He filmed all the behind the scenes footage, and every rehearsal and concert. The film director from the Victory Tour said in an interview back in 84 that he had hundreds of feet of film of the tour and behind the scenes footage. I also heard a laserdisc release of the Victory Tour was planned

MJJ Productions/Optimum Productions hold the rights to all of it so it wouldn't be hard for them to include it

bboy87 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

True, she was dating that Johnny Ozaka guy for a few years in the late 90s and they were engaged but she called it off. This was all during the time that she and Michael hung out a few times. She broke up with Johnny so she could get with Nic Cage? She certainly does get around doesnt she?

hung out?

is that what we're calling it these days?

They was getting it in basically .

I haven't even seen the show yet, but like I said a few days ago:

WaterInYourBath said:

No, I was just saying that Lisa-Marie is alright with me 'cause I understand why she was angry back then: She was dropped by Michael Jackson so he could marry someone else and have children. I would have been horribly devastated too, lol. Even though I was very little, I always felt that she really loved him while they were married. I could tell by the way she supported and defended him nonstop before the divorce. So I don't resent her, even though it would have been better for her not to have ever said anything non-positive about him.

Now people will know this for sure after watching this interview I guess.

bboy87 said:

thesexofit said:

No blu ray for "Visions"? Iam amazed.

Theres probably at least half an hour of behind the scenes fottage to every video he ever did post "Thriller" but where is it? Maybe independant companies own it, but I bet Michael had his own behind the scenes crew and Sony and the estate are just being lazy.

The blu ray cuts to "moonwalker" boggle the mind. Michael wouldn't of approved of something so minor yet there they go doing it anyway.

Michael definitely did. He filmed all the behind the scenes footage, and every rehearsal and concert. The film director from the Victory Tour said in an interview back in 84 that he had hundreds of feet of film of the tour and behind the scenes footage. I also heard a laserdisc release of the Victory Tour was planned

MJJ Productions/Optimum Productions hold the rights to all of it so it wouldn't be hard for them to include it

Iam sure Sony/ the estate will release such things eventually, but another compilation DVD? Any news on blu ray "Visions", considering Sony invented the thing LOL.

thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

Michael definitely did. He filmed all the behind the scenes footage, and every rehearsal and concert. The film director from the Victory Tour said in an interview back in 84 that he had hundreds of feet of film of the tour and behind the scenes footage. I also heard a laserdisc release of the Victory Tour was planned

MJJ Productions/Optimum Productions hold the rights to all of it so it wouldn't be hard for them to include it

Iam sure Sony/ the estate will release such things eventually, but another compilation DVD? Any news on blu ray "Visions", considering Sony invented the thing LOL.

I suspect there will be a Blu Ray release sometime in the future. One thing I wonder is if they used the original film prints or just "polished up" the versions they've been using. If you look at the retrospective in Moonwalker, they used the original film prints of videos like Thriller for that and it looks great

bboy87 said:

thesexofit said:

Iam sure Sony/ the estate will release such things eventually, but another compilation DVD? Any news on blu ray "Visions", considering Sony invented the thing LOL.

I suspect there will be a Blu Ray release sometime in the future. One thing I wonder is if they used the original film prints or just "polished up" the versions they've been using. If you look at the retrospective in Moonwalker, they used the original film prints of videos like Thriller for that and it looks great

I still watch my old VHS of "moonwalker" LOL, so I can't comment. Did Michael ever forgive Speilberg for the whole "hook" thing? Remember the rumours he paid thousands to put curses on David Geffen and Speilberg LOL. Not sure why the hate for Geffen? I know David supposedly wanted him to join his label around 1990 when CBS was bought by Sony.

It's a shame Mike never did a full lenth fantasy film with Disney. The closest he got was "moonwalker", which Mike paid for himself (and just broke even according to sources).

"Captain EO" is great and all, and I know Mike loved Disney, but it was essentially just a 3D ride (as cool as that was). In the early 90's their was a rumour he was making some new fantasy film, but the film director died or something like that? Another promising project that sadly never happened

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thesexofit said:

bboy87 said:

I suspect there will be a Blu Ray release sometime in the future. One thing I wonder is if they used the original film prints or just "polished up" the versions they've been using. If you look at the retrospective in Moonwalker, they used the original film prints of videos like Thriller for that and it looks great

I still watch my old VHS of "moonwalker" LOL, so I can't comment. Did Michael ever forgive Speilberg for the whole "hook" thing? Remember the rumours he paid thousands to put curses on David Geffen and Speilberg LOL. Not sure why the hate for Geffen? I know David supposedly wanted him to join his label around 1990 when CBS was bought by Sony.

It's a shame Mike never did a full lenth fantasy film with Disney. The closest he got was "moonwalker", which Mike paid for himself (and just broke even according to sources).

"Captain EO" is great and all, and I know Mike loved Disney, but it was essentially just a 3D ride (as cool as that was). In the early 90's their was a rumour he was making some new fantasy film, but the film director died or something like that? Another promising project that sadly never happened

Go check the VHS

and then look at the version that's been on DVD releases. The version on Moonwalker is lighter, and in letterbox

Oprah asked how did he propose-- they were in the library in front of the fire at neverland, MJ pulled out a 10 carat ring, got on his knees and propsed.

Did'nt she say in another interview with Oprah,that Michael proposed on the phone?

[Edited 10/22/10 18:20pm]

I read the interview online tonite and the quote that I heard the loudest was when LMP said:

"For some reason, I don't know what happens when someone passes away and this is what's come of it. But I've come to have all this love again and understanding for him. I don't know why it had to take all that to have this happen. That upsets me a bit".

It reminds me of the song Prince song, Sometimes it snows in April... "And love, it isn't love until it's past"

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^^ Keep posting these Bboy - as a drummer I can't get enough insight from the guys who backed MJ up.

seeingvoices12 said:

@ naive mj fans believing what the talentless heifer says..... your album lisa will be another flop added to your already failed floppy career.

I hope Oprah will interview you next since you apparently have all the answers!

talk about naivety...

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Timmy84 said:

MyLuv229 said:

Fans look to folks like LMP and Karen Faye to confirm things about Michael. It's quite sad. That's not being objective on the man's life at all. It's all perspective. Honestly, if you read between the lines and piece events together, everything Lisa said today is really nothing new.

Yeah half the stuff she "revealed" Michael confirmed already.

EXACTLY!!

zhare said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah half the stuff she "revealed" Michael confirmed already.

EXACTLY!!

True - but from Michael's mouth many would have viewed it sceptically. Hopefully now people will put the shame marriage accusations to rest. Sad that Michael had to die for people to believe him over this, and having vitiligo.

zhare said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah half the stuff she "revealed" Michael confirmed already.

EXACTLY!!

yes, and no. from what i've been reading, she claimed that mj was on drugs during their marriage. contrast this with what she told diane sawyer when she was first doing her hit pieces on mj in '02, 03. diane inquired about drug use and lmp said she'd never seen mj doing drugs.

right after mj died, the doctor who treated him in '95 confirmed once again that mj had no drugs in his system. so her comments to oprah about him collapsing from drugs was a lie, and oprah, being who she is, completely bought into it. she's had time research to see whether in fact mj collapsed from a drug overdose in '95 but she's not really an interviewer as much as she is a gossip.

aside from what i've read on the boards, i'm glad i missed the whole thing. lmp can go back to living in elvis' and mj's shadows now.

kibbles said:

zhare said:

EXACTLY!!

yes, and no. from what i've been reading, she claimed that mj was on drugs during their marriage. contrast this with what she told diane sawyer when she was first doing her hit pieces on mj in '02, 03. diane inquired about drug use and lmp said she'd never seen mj doing drugs.

right after mj died, the doctor who treated him in '95 confirmed once again that mj had no drugs in his system. so her comments to oprah about him collapsing from drugs was a lie, and oprah, being who she is, completely bought into it. she's had time research to see whether in fact mj collapsed from a drug overdose in '95 but she's not really an interviewer as much as she is a gossip.

aside from what i've read on the boards, i'm glad i missed the whole thing. lmp can go back to living in elvis' and mj's shadows now.

You need to watch the show before you make sweeping statements about what LMP said. At no point did she say she saw MJ take drugs during their marriage. She also didnt say MJ definately collapsed from drugs in 95, she said she was given different reasons every time she went to see him as to why he was in hospital and she 'suspected' it could be drugs.

Rock Hill doctor helped saved Michael Jackson's life after 1995 rehearsal collapse...
http://www.heraldonline.c...58834.html
Published: Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2009 / Updated: Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2009 07:31 AM
Rock Hill doctor helped saved Michael Jackson's life after 1995 rehearsal collapse
By Andrew Dys, Columnist - adys@heradonline.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When Dr. William Alleyne II heard about Michael Jackson's death last week while on vacation, this doctor who specializes in lung ailments in Rock Hill turned young again.
In his mind, he was just Bill Alleyne, the young guy who spent money out of his pocket to buy Michael Jackson albums. The guy who became a doctor and took his new bride to Michael Jackson concerts.
“It was an overwhelming sense of sadness,” Alleyne said.
Sure, Bill Alleyne is a Michael Jackson fan like millions. But Dr. William Alleyne had more reason to be sad than most fans. Alleyne said Tuesday, for the first time in 14 years, “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson's life.”
In December 1995, Alleyne was the critical care director at Beth Israel North Hospital, on the Upper East Side in New York City across the way from the mayor's Gracie Mansion. He was the guy in charge when one of the nurses told him, “We have Michael Jackson coming here.”
Alleyne didn't believe it then.
“I said, ‘Ha, ha, very funny,'” Alleyne recalled.
He had seen patients who were stars, or spouses of stars, but this was different. Thousands of people started clamoring outside the hospital. The place was turning into bedlam.
“Ten minutes later, they rolled Michael Jackson in on a stretcher,” Alleyne said Tuesday from his Rock Hill office where he's one of the partners at Carolina Pulmonary Physicians. But in 1995, Alleyne was the doctor to the King of Pop. Jackson had collapsed after a rehearsal for an upcoming HBO special at the nearby Beacon Theater.
Alleyne and his wife had seen Jackson before in concert, on television, and now, in 1995, Jackson was waiting, unconscious, for Bill Alleyne to save his life.
“Mr. Jackson was in critical condition,” Alleyne said. “He was dehydrated. He had low blood pressure. He had a rapid heart rate. He was near death.”
Alleyne went from doctor to a star to doctor of a man who could die. Alleyne, an acquaintance of Jackson's doctor at the time who had seen some of that doctor's patients, had been picked personally by that doctor to be the attending physician for Jackson's emergency care. Alleyne gave the order to have the defibrillator ready if needed to treat the abnormal heart rhythm of the most famous entertainer with the best rhythm on Earth.
After about an hour or so that December dusk, Alleyne said he had Jackson stabilized with intravenous fluids and other treatment, and transferred Jackson to intensive care. But in the meantime, the crowd outside had become massive, a mob scene.
“I looked outside the window, and the crowd was shoulder to shoulder, huge, far more than when the mayor's mansion across the street had hosted the pope, the president, even Nelson Mandela,” Alleyne recalled.
And inside the hospital, Alleyne said, “it was absolute pandemonium.”
Jackson's entourage had muscled into intensive care. Alleyne had a brief showdown with one bodyguard who did not want to let Alleyne in the room again after Alleyne had left briefly. Alleyne recalled he said to the bodyguard, “Your boss is dying in there, and I am going in there to save his life. You can be the one who has to say you wouldn't let me in.”
Bill Alleyne walked in and saved Michael Jackson.
But the crush of people inside wasn't over. The entourage of Jackson's then-wife, Lisa Marie Presley, came in. Presley came in, too. Then through the middle of the crowd, another entourage, and Janet Jackson, Michael's sister.
“Here is Janet, drop-dead, stop-the clock gorgeous, and she said, ‘Thank you for taking care of my brother,'” Alleyne recalled.
Alleyne found time to call home. His wife, Cheryl Courtlandt, a physician herself who now is a pediatrician at Levine's Children's Hospital in Charlotte, was home with two small kids.
“I'm gonna be a little late honey,” Alleyne told his wife. “Turn on the news.”
He told his wife Michael Jackson was his patient, and she said to her husband, verbatim, in words Alleyne will never forget: “Well, you take care of Mr. Jackson and hurry home, because I have two kids here and you need to take out the garbage.”
Jackson soon was stable, and Alleyne and Jackson started a doctor/patient relationship similar to all in theory but unlike any relationship Alleyne had ever had in practice. As people were climbing trees to get pictures of inside the hospital, as Jackson's fans sang his songs outside and the world press invaded the sidewalks and street for information about the condition of this most-famous man, Bill Alleyne tried to keep Michael Jackson alive with intravenous food and care.
“Michael Jackson was the most soft-spoken, least demanding guy you would ever want to meet,” Alleyne said. “Everything he said was a whisper. His biggest concern was could he perform.
Alleyne told Jackson no way could he perform anytime soon.
Alleyne had to get permission to release information to Jackson's family. Jackson gave it. Alleyne had to deal with other doctors who came to watch his every move, and a world that wanted information that Alleyne would not give to anybody but those Jackson said to give it to.
After about 72 hours, Alleyne and Jackson's publicists and others realized they had to give a press conference. So Alleyne worked with Jackson's people to go over what could be said, what to stay away from but still tell the truth. Alleyne was blunt with the world, saying Jackson did not have any immune system problems because rumors about AIDS were swirling. He was blunt that Jackson had no drugs in his system.
News accounts from 1995 show Alleyne and his then-partner, Dr. Bob Glennon, talking about Jackson's condition to convince the world that Jackson was, in fact, critically ill.
“Michael Jackson was unconscious when he arrived,” Alleyne said. “I had to make that clear.”
Through the next few days, Alleyne was Jackson's doctor. Other doctors came to watch behind him, but Alleyne said he was not affronted. Having others sets of eyes look at his care and treatment of Jackson was understandable.
Jackson had to do what other patients who are recovering must do, Alleyne said. Walk around, be monitored. Except he had an entourage in the next room.
“After a couple of days, Mr. Jackson told me he needed to get his hair done,” Alleyne remembered. “I told him we had a barber at the hospital.”
Jackson's entourage laughed: A stylist traveled around the world with Jackson and would style those locks right there in intensive care. The makeup crew came in, too.
Near the end of Jackson's hospital stay, he asked Alleyne if he could visit other patients in intensive care. Jackson met one lady, gave her an autographed picture after he prayed with her, and the lady told Alleyne, “I can die now; I prayed with Michael Jackson.”
Alleyne recalled, laughing: “I told Mr. Jackson maybe visiting with people who had suffered heart attacks or other serious problems wasn't such a good idea.”
When Jackson was discharged, Alleyne stayed in the background as the cameras went off and the video was shot. But Jackson asked Alleyne to make house calls for the next three days. Blood pressure checks, pulse, all that stuff. Alleyne was the director of critical care — house calls were not his bag. But Michael Jackson had asked, so Alleyne said yes.
“House calls, to the penthouse of the Four Seasons hotel,” Alleyne said. “He had rented out the entire top two floors.”
In one “moment of weakness,” Alleyne said he almost asked Jackson to teach him how to moonwalk — Jackson's famous trademark dance.
But Alleyne kept it professional with Michael Jackson, as the entourages and the world watched Alleyne's every move.
Finally, about two weeks into this whirlwind relationship, Alleyne told Jackson, “Mr. Jackson, you are stable. I can stop being your doctor and return to being your fan.”
All humble Alleyne asked for was an autographed picture for his kids to have years down the road.
Before Alleyne left the hotel that day, Alleyne recalled Jackson telling him: “Thank you for saving my life.”
Then Jackson told Alleyne he understood how difficult it had been for a black man to get to such a distinguished position within the medical world, that Alleyne's accomplishments were inspiring to Jackson.
“It was very touching,” Alleyne said. “I will never forget that.”
Alleyne never gave an interview since then, never signed any book deals or made a nickel off being Michael Jackson's doctor of almost two weeks. He never spoke to Michael Jackson again.
Alleyne, other than casual conversation with friends, or associates in medicine, or among the people at his medical practice, never told anyone of his time as doctor to the most famous entertainer in the world.
Alleyne's own children, son Douglas and daughter Courtney, only learned of his role when a documentary came out a few years ago that had some of the footage of the news conferences from 1995 in it. There was Bill Alleyne.
“Daddy, are you Michael Jackson's doctor?” his daughter asked.
“I said yes, because I was his doctor,” Alleyne said. “I looked at it as always being his doctor, that I had a professional relationship with Mr. Jackson and would honor that.”
This man with Carolina roots in his family came to Charlotte in 1996, then began practicing medicine in Rock Hill in 1999. He's done what humble doctors do: give some time to reading at schools, volunteered, raised his kids.
The sign outside his Rock Hill medical practice only has his name. There is no mention of Michael Jackson anywhere in the building.
Only now, after Jackson's death, did Alleyne agree to share his remembrances of those days.
Alleyne said that he told his wife, only half-jokingly, that the world spotlight would be on the doctors who had recently been caring for Jackson before his death.
Alleyne said he would be remembered as: “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson's life.”
Alleyne has, at night the past few days after seeing patients, watched some coverage of the aftermath of Michael Jackson's death.
“That to this day he is so loved comes as no surprise to me,” Alleyne said. “He was very gracious and kind.”
He understands that there were accusations against Jackson after 1995, but that was not the Michael Jackson Bill Alleyne knew in 1995.
And Tuesday afternoon, as tens of millions, maybe more, watched the memorial service for Jackson from Los Angeles, here's what Bill Alleyne, doctor, did: He saw other patients. He did not watch TV.
He helped a lady with a little bit of cardiopulmonary trouble. Another with asthma. More. Each received Bill Alleyne's full attention, as he had given Michael Jackson his full attention in 1995.
Alleyne saw them all, gave this interview about that two weeks 14 years ago, then went home.
Just like he did for those crazy days in December 1995, when Bill Alleyne was Michael Jackson's doctor.
This post has been edited by Happiness4MJ: Jul 10 2009, 01:19 AM

TheBoyfromtheBand said:

seeingvoices12 said:

@ naive mj fans believing what the talentless heifer says..... your album lisa will be another flop added to your already failed floppy career.

I hope Oprah will interview you next since you apparently have all the answers!

talk about naivety...

ok

seeingvoices12 said:

@ naive mj fans believing what the talentless heifer says..... your album lisa will be another flop added to your already failed floppy career.

I watched the interview and she seemed genuine.I think she struggles with alot of guilt and confusion about the whole thing,but I don't see her as someone that MJ fans should hate Her love for Michael was real.

SoulAlive said:

seeingvoices12 said:

@ naive mj fans believing what the talentless heifer says..... your album lisa will be another flop added to your already failed floppy career.

I watched the interview and she seemed genuine.I think she struggles with alot of guilt and confusion about the whole thing,but I don't see her as someone that MJ fans should hate Her love for Michael was real.

I believe as well that Lisa was genuine. It was obviously real, on both sides.

Take this with a grain of salt, but some people at MJStar.com are saying this

might be a new Michael song with Will.I.Am heard playing here.

Someone said that MJ fans don´t wanna see the MJ drug problem. Well, it´s not about not wanting to admit it, but I hate the way they do it. If they wanna get into it, then tell me WHAT he took, WHY he took it, WHO prescribed it and HOW LONG he was taking it. This way of contantly talking about drugs makes him look like someone who took drugs just to get hight or whatever. Obviously Mike did have problems with certain drugs, but if you are gonna talk about it, I want FACTS. That´s why I hate the way they discuss it.

I also suspect that Mike was high at certain situations (For example that NY concert), but I am not sure about the other cases they mentioned. For example, when she spoke about him collapsing before their divorce, I remember he was dehydraded. I also remember quotes from several people saying that when Mike worked he was so into it that he forgot to eat or drink. And Janet saying they were the same said that she used work to get over personal stuff. Now if they were having troubles in marriage and Mike was working at the same time, I believe he was so into it, that he might have just not eaten and drunk properly and eventually fainted.

Or that Bashir interview....Mike seemed weird during his whole Berlin visit, the Bambi awards and all those shots shown from Berlin in the documentary...remember that´s when Mike dangled Blanket and I again read few articles where for example Macaulay stated that he visited him during the day it happened and that Mike just felt so bad for doing it, that he couldn´t believe that he did something so stupid like that and it was in the papers all over and he was supposed to be making public appearances and and he knew people saw those photographs the very same day and I guess he felt guilty and ashamed. He seemed so nervous in that Bashit thing when he asked him about it before some show. So maybe he was just that nervous. I know that I speak fast and act weird when I am very nervous or something like that. I think it´s quite natural, so maybe in that case in weren´t drugs. Of course, I don´t know, but I ´d love to hear facts with all this "drugs" thing.

Otherwise I think Lisa was genuine and truly sincere for the first time speaking about him in an interview. She also seemed the calmest. I´ve seen interviews with her where she couldn´t even say his name normally, without choking up etc. Now compare this with her first interview on Oprah. Look at her posture, the way she sits. She seems very insecure and uncomfortable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ueg93Et67Ac&feature=related

Plus, damn journalist. In this one Oprah is playing the one who really had doubts about the sincerety of the marriage and all of sudden, she´s pretending to be the one who is sure they loved each other.

Vanilli said:

Take this with a grain of salt, but some people at MJStar.com are saying this

might be a new Michael song with Will.I.Am heard playing here.