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Reply #570 posted 10/21/10 9:47pm

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Militant said:

Thanks, mookie. I feel very sad reading all that. I don't know that I'll be able to watch it without getting upset.

Which is one of the reasons I won't be watching lol

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Reply #571 posted 10/21/10 9:52pm

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Lisa Marie Presley 'regrets' she didn't save Michael Jackson

Oprah Winfrey, who sat down last night at the University of Illinois in Chicago to present Toni Morrison the Carl Sandburg Literary Award, aired a revealing interview with Lisa Marie Presley on her show today.

The topic was Presley's ex-husband, Michael Jackson. Presley has not spoken about her ex-husband's death except for a blog post soon after he died on June 25, 2009. And at the end of this interview, she swore she is never going to talk about Jackson again.

Lisa Marie recalled that the day Michael died. "I was crying all day," she told Oprah. She didn't know why. Finally, she got word. "Actually, John Travolta was one of the first texts I got, asking, "Are you all right?'"

Her reaction: "Real honest-to-goodness shock. I was floored. Honestly floored."

In the lengthy interview, Presley also revealed:

- "In every sense it was a normal marriage."

- "He was like a little gnome. because it was hard for him to sleep. I'd hear him piddling. It was a bit endearing and I didn't mind it. But he did have a hard time sleeping, yes."

- "I loved taking care of him. It was the highest point of my life."

-"He was like a drug for me. I always wanted to be around him. I never felt like that feeling with another human being except for one -- my father."

-Was there a lot of pressure to have a baby? "Yes," she said adding that Michael told her Debbie Rowe was willing to have one.

- "We would have three-day arguments, taking a break to eat or sleep," she said. Michael "really tried" to make the relationship work at times. "I didn't appreciate it then."

- "We were so united and then at some point he pushed me out."

- Their last "coherently good" conversation was in 2005. "I was so removed from him and he could feel it and hear it. I was very distant ... He was asking me, he wanted to tell me that I was right about a lot of people around him. And he asked if I still loved him. ... I told him I was indifferent and he didn't like that word. And the final part of the conversation was him telling me that someone was going to try and kill him to get a hold of his catalog and estate. And I really didn't know what to do with that."

- As she stood over his casket, was she able to make peace? "No. I wanted to apologize. I felt like I wanted to apologize for not being around."

- Could she have saved him? "Naively, I want to say: I wanted to. Could I have? Had I made a call? Had I stopped being so shut off from him? Had I just said, 'How are you?' I really did regret that I didn't."

- "If he didn't want you around, he could make you go away, including his own family. I think that was a train headed in a certain direction I don't think anyone could have stopped."

Oprah Winfrey, who sat down last night at the University of Illinois in Chicago to present Toni Morrison the Carl Sandburg Literary Award, aired a revealing interview with Lisa Marie Presley on her show today.

The topic was Presley's ex-husband, Michael Jackson. Presley has not spoken about her ex-husband's death except for a blog post soon after he died on June 25, 2009. And at the end of this interview, she swore she is never going to talk about Jackson again.

Lisa Marie recalled that the day Michael died. "I was crying all day," she told Oprah. She didn't know why. Finally, she got word. "Actually, John Travolta was one of the first texts I got, asking, "Are you all right?'"

Her reaction: "Real honest-to-goodness shock. I was floored. Honestly floored."

In the lengthy interview, Presley also revealed:

- "In every sense it was a normal marriage."

- "He was like a little gnome. because it was hard for him to sleep. I'd hear him piddling. It was a bit endearing and I didn't mind it. But he did have a hard time sleeping, yes."

- "I loved taking care of him. It was the highest point of my life."

-"He was like a drug for me. I always wanted to be around him. I never felt like that feeling with another human being except for one -- my father."

-Was there a lot of pressure to have a baby? "Yes," she said adding that Michael told her Debbie Rowe was willing to have one.

- "We would have three-day arguments, taking a break to eat or sleep," she said. Michael "really tried" to make the relationship work at times. "I didn't appreciate it then."

- "We were so united and then at some point he pushed me out."

- Their last "coherently good" conversation was in 2005. "I was so removed from him and he could feel it and hear it. I was very distant ... He was asking me, he wanted to tell me that I was right about a lot of people around him. And he asked if I still loved him. ... I told him I was indifferent and he didn't like that word. And the final part of the conversation was him telling me that someone was going to try and kill him to get a hold of his catalog and estate. And I really didn't know what to do with that."

- As she stood over his casket, was she able to make peace? "No. I wanted to apologize. I felt like I wanted to apologize for not being around."

- Could she have saved him? "Naively, I want to say: I wanted to. Could I have? Had I made a call? Had I stopped being so shut off from him? Had I just said, 'How are you?' I really did regret that I didn't."

- "If he didn't want you around, he could make you go away, including his own family. I think that was a train headed in a certain direction I don't think anyone could have stopped."

http://content.usatoday.c...-jackson/1

[Edited 10/21/10 14:54pm]

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Reply #572 posted 10/21/10 10:00pm

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Actually in the end, I am glad she gave the interview and opened up about her love and that marriage. The only thing I really don´t like is the drug talk. Not because I don´t wanna hear some negativity about Mike but because I am not sure it´s that clear yet. More later, I´m going to bed.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #573 posted 10/21/10 10:04pm

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That interview was HARD to think about after it was over. My stomach feels a little sick knowing its over. I kept wishing Michael would somehow walk in the room, put his hands behind his back like he always did, and smile. So chilling knowing that Lisa feels she could have saved him. So many fans over the years (especially around 2005) said the same thing.

The only thing that urked me about Oprah was how she kept trying to press the "drugs." At least specify how much of that was for his sleeping, and that DOCTORS WROTE SCRIPTS FOR IT. If it was anyone was else, it would be the doctor who is held liable, but because it is Michael Jackson, it gives hag Oprah the right to imply it was all his own doing. Sorry O, I work in the mental health field and the liability is all on the doctor. Stupid hater she is couldn't once say that.

But to end on a happy note, at least Lisa called bullshit on Martin Bashir's interview. I wanted to say, "Yeah eat that Oprah. You and your media f*ckers MANIPULATED Michael. Eat it."

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Reply #574 posted 10/21/10 10:05pm

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bboy87 said:

Militant said:

Thanks, mookie. I feel very sad reading all that. I don't know that I'll be able to watch it without getting upset.

Which is one of the reasons I won't be watching lol

I think you guys should watch it!

It didnt make me mad.

I may not have agreed with the way she worded somethings,but im glad I watched it.

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Reply #575 posted 10/21/10 10:08pm

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ali23 said:

bboy87 said:

Which is one of the reasons I won't be watching lol

I think you guys should watch it!

It didnt make me mad.

I may not have agreed with the way she worded somethings,but im glad I watched it.

Actually, she surprised me with how she worded somethings EXCEPT FOR THE DRUGS. I can´t agree with her on the drugs, but as for her talking about hte marriage. I am happy to hear her say it FINALLY!

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #576 posted 10/21/10 10:08pm

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Did I just read correctly?

They were together for 4 YEARS AFTER THEY DIVORCED?

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Reply #577 posted 10/21/10 10:09pm

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Vanilli said:

That interview was HARD to think about after it was over. My stomach feels a little sick knowing its over. I kept wishing Michael would somehow walk in the room, put his hands behind his back like he always did, and smile. So chilling knowing that Lisa feels she could have saved him. So many fans over the years (especially around 2005) said the same thing.

The only thing that urked me about Oprah was how she kept trying to press the "drugs." At least specify how much of that was for his sleeping, and that DOCTORS WROTE SCRIPTS FOR IT. If it was anyone was else, it would be the doctor who is held liable, but because it is Michael Jackson, it gives hag Oprah the right to imply it was all his own doing. Sorry O, I work in the mental health field and the liability is all on the doctor. Stupid hater she is couldn't once say that.

But to end on a happy note, at least Lisa called bullshit on Martin Bashir's interview. I wanted to say, "Yeah eat that Oprah. You and your media f*ckers MANIPULATED Michael. Eat it."

Exactly. And I am not sure what to make of Oprah. I get weird wibes from her. It doesn´t seem sincere on her part.

As for the Bashit thing. I´ll write about that later.... tomorrow.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #578 posted 10/21/10 10:10pm

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bboy87 said:

Did I just read correctly?

They were together for 4 YEARS AFTER THEY DIVORCED?

Yes, they were together for 4 years after the divorce. GO AND WATCH IT REALLY!!! wink

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #579 posted 10/21/10 10:12pm

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didn't watch the interview and brushed thru the recaps. i don't like her or oprah, and won't forget that they were both kicking mj when he was down a few years back. but what i have noticed is that there aren't a lot of mentions about the interview on the newswires. is it b/c she's being somewhat contrite and that's not salacious enuf for them? ('cause when she was doggin' him, the media were all over her comments as soon as the words came out of her mouth.) do they think that she's a big fat phony and therefore refusing to give her the attention she's seeking? is she not considered as newsworthy since with the birth of mj's kids, she isn't exactly the only 'music royalty' in town? i just thought there'd be a lot more on the wires about the interview. maybe tomorrow . . . .
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Reply #580 posted 10/21/10 10:29pm

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Okay so I went and watched the innerview with Lisa Marie....for anyone that's interested here is part I (and the rest is in there too)

http://www.youtube.com/wa...r_embedded

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Reply #581 posted 10/21/10 10:29pm

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^^ Thanks for the recap Mookie.

I think LMP was being open and honest about their relationship, and more honest than she ever had been. I think in Michael's passing she reassessed what it was like and where she was to blame, and where he was. All relationships are hard - and being in the public spotlight,, having people whisper its a sham, can't be easy.

I'm glad she spoke out, and glad that once again it puts to rest some of the debate about their relationship - and people once again will need to relook at their mediabiased judgements.

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Reply #582 posted 10/21/10 10:33pm

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sigh @ naive mj fans believing what the talentless heifer says..... your album lisa will be another flop added to your already failed floppy career.
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Reply #583 posted 10/21/10 10:45pm

BabyBeMine

Why so much anger? Lisa actually defended MJ and talked about how they were really in luv. I dont see how anyone can take negativity from this

[Edited 10/21/10 15:46pm]

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Reply #584 posted 10/21/10 10:46pm

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Lisa needs to get help how awkward that must be for her current husband get over it sorry to say but whatever my opinion. A hot mess.

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Reply #585 posted 10/21/10 10:49pm

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BabyBeMine said:

Why so much anger? Lisa actually defended MJ and talked about how they were really in luv. I dont see how anyone can take negativity from this

[Edited 10/21/10 15:46pm]

I personally don’t have no problem with her I just chose not to watch because I feel there’s nothing else left to talk about. She needs to get help like I said. It’s sad though

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Reply #586 posted 10/21/10 10:50pm

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rolleyes confused rolleyes
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Reply #587 posted 10/21/10 10:53pm

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Not a Lisa fan, but the interview was good and insightful. I felt that Lisa was honest and sincere. Michael obviously had a big impact on her which is why I feel it took her so long to get over MJ and it still seems like she's not over him, but I do believe they both loved eachother. They were just both too immature and stubborn to make it work.

I feel like there are a lot of unresolved issues between Lisa and Mike, but nothing can be done about it now unfortunately. I do hope LMP can come to terms with what happened in that relationship and make peace with it, at least for the sake of her current husband and children.

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Reply #588 posted 10/21/10 10:55pm

BabyBeMine

I think fans just hate hearing about the drug stuff but its true MJ had a problem in that area. MJ in that Bashir interview as Lisa said did look high.

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Reply #589 posted 10/21/10 11:18pm

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bboy87 said:

Did I just read correctly?

They were together for 4 YEARS AFTER THEY DIVORCED?

No, they kept in touch, on and off, she was traveling around where he was playing on his tour. According to Michael, she was trying to get back together with him. According to Lisa, they were trying to get back together with each other. But she was dating some muscian guy and was engaged (who she later left for Nic Cage).

"If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with" - Michael Jackson
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Reply #590 posted 10/21/10 11:20pm

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BabyBeMine said:

I think fans just hate hearing about the drug stuff but its true MJ had a problem in that area. MJ in that Bashir interview as Lisa said did look high.

the 2nd nite, yeah... neutral

they're on YouTube, in full...

I feel bad for those fans so caught up in worshipping him (and/or Prince...) that they can't deal with the facts/see him [celebs] as a human beings with real, human faults.. some not so pretty.

Yes, hearing ppl/media constantly say drugs -- AS IF referring to common street drugs like cocaine or something -- is not fun, but, that's what they are; prescription meds are drugs. They don't call Rite Aid, Duane Reade, CVS, Walgreens, etc. "prescription stores" ~ they're drug stores.

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Reply #591 posted 10/21/10 11:21pm

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Lisa needs to get help how awkward that must be for her current husband get over it sorry to say but whatever my opinion. A hot mess.

Gotta give props to her current husband because dude is literally sitting back while his wife is crying over someone she divorced 16 years ago

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Reply #592 posted 10/21/10 11:26pm

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BabyBeMine said:

Why so much anger? Lisa actually defended MJ and talked about how they were really in luv. I dont see how anyone can take negativity from this

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I dont know about any anger. 5 years ago, when she did the Oprah interview, all fans took her word as truth and sympathized her marriage with Big Bad Michael. Now, fans are doing the same. I felt a little overwhelmed reading the summary because all the assumptions I had were true - I knew fans shouldn't judge Michael unfairly and place all the blame on him. I knew he had to deal with a lot of her issues and expectations as well. The thing is, we never asked ourselves once - what did Michael go through in that marriage, what was his side of the story? You got a snippet from the Shmuley tapes and that's it. Now, everything I read between the lines years ago has been confirmed from her side. I just feel really bad and sorry for him because 5 years ago, these two women were tearing him apart. Now, they're doing the clarification interview. Yes, it's cute. Yes, it's positive. But all in all, it's too late.

"If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with" - Michael Jackson
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Reply #593 posted 10/21/10 11:27pm

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bboy87 said:

Did I just read correctly?

They were together for 4 YEARS AFTER THEY DIVORCED?

Yeah you read that right. Didn't you see the pictures of them around '97?

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Reply #594 posted 10/21/10 11:29pm

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MyLuv229 said:

BabyBeMine said:

Why so much anger? Lisa actually defended MJ and talked about how they were really in luv. I dont see how anyone can take negativity from this

[Edited 10/21/10 15:46pm]

I dont know about any anger. 5 years ago, when she did the Oprah interview, all fans took her word as truth and sympathized her marriage with Big Bad Michael. Now, fans are doing the same. I felt a little overwhelmed reading the summary because all the assumptions I had were true - I knew fans shouldn't judge Michael unfairly and place all the blame on him. I knew he had to deal with a lot of her issues and expectations as well. The thing is, we never asked ourselves once - what did Michael go through in that marriage, what was his side of the story? You got a snippet from the Shmuley tapes and that's it. Now, everything I read between the lines years ago has been confirmed from her side. I just feel really bad and sorry for him because 5 years ago, these two women were tearing him apart. Now, they're doing the clarification interview. Yes, it's cute. Yes, it's positive. But all in all, it's too late.

Yeah and to be frank I don't hate Lisa. I mean I can feel her in some regards but it's really too late. Even Lisa admitted that at least.

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Reply #595 posted 10/21/10 11:32pm

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MyLuv229 said:

I dont know about any anger. 5 years ago, when she did the Oprah interview, all fans took her word as truth and sympathized her marriage with Big Bad Michael. Now, fans are doing the same. I felt a little overwhelmed reading the summary because all the assumptions I had were true - I knew fans shouldn't judge Michael unfairly and place all the blame on him. I knew he had to deal with a lot of her issues and expectations as well. The thing is, we never asked ourselves once - what did Michael go through in that marriage, what was his side of the story? You got a snippet from the Shmuley tapes and that's it. Now, everything I read between the lines years ago has been confirmed from her side. I just feel really bad and sorry for him because 5 years ago, these two women were tearing him apart. Now, they're doing the clarification interview. Yes, it's cute. Yes, it's positive. But all in all, it's too late.

Yeah and to be frank I don't hate Lisa. I mean I can feel her in some regards but it's really too late. Even Lisa admitted that at least.

Co-sign. Like I said on KOP, I could give 2 nutsacks about ole girl and I never really understood why fans hung to her after they divorced. You still see fans with usernames like "MJLM4EVA" or "MichaelLisaAlways"

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Reply #596 posted 10/21/10 11:34pm

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bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah and to be frank I don't hate Lisa. I mean I can feel her in some regards but it's really too late. Even Lisa admitted that at least.

Co-sign. Like I said on KOP, I could give 2 nutsacks about ole girl and I never really understood why fans hung to her after they divorced. You still see fans with usernames like "MJLM4EVA" or "MichaelLisaAlways"

Yeah I know. It's bandwagon-ish.

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Reply #597 posted 10/21/10 11:35pm

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from Elenora74 on MJJC about the upcoming album

Hi,
*at the moment* last week of November is still the main option. Of course everything can change in a minute. About the album, all we can say at the moment is what Sony tells: it's a NEW album. They are *specific* speaking about it. The same album Michael was 80% ready to put on the market before his death. Of course everyone can say *They're just promoting...*, and of course that's not meaning we, the fans, could already know a few songs inside the album.

About the deadline to be in time for the end of November, don't worry. It's far away. Sony can put the album in stores in a couple of weeks or so.... after 10 November and no specific news about the project we'll know that November release has gone. (hoping to know something specific before biggrin" src="http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/images/smilies/bigsmile.gif" border="0" alt="" />)
Probably, the best result of this situation could be the single and the album will be out near same time.... we'll see....

hmm.... about "Platinum Edition".... i don't know nothing... just asking but nobody knows nothing about *at the moment*. The Estate was indecided 'til the end about 3 discs or a 2 dvd boxset (depending on the contents) for VISION, then choosed a 3dvd boxset. So... I will be not surprised if some kind of "collector" ed. will follow... just business.

Hope to know more soon...

Ele74

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Reply #598 posted 10/21/10 11:40pm

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Very revealing that she confirmed what MJ said in those Rabbi tapes... that a big factor in their divorce was that she wouldn't give him kids. The media never reports on things like that. I thin its safe to assume that they would have had kids the old fashioned way, I can't see LMP agreeing to be a surrogate mother. What an alternate dimension that must be, Mike and LMP having kids together.

Now the surrogate situation with Debbie Rowe makes more sense on more than one level, lol.

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Reply #599 posted 10/21/10 11:50pm

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MyLuv229 said:

bboy87 said:

Did I just read correctly?

They were together for 4 YEARS AFTER THEY DIVORCED?

No, they kept in touch, on and off, she was traveling around where he was playing on his tour. According to Michael, she was trying to get back together with him. According to Lisa, they were trying to get back together with each other. But she was dating some muscian guy and was engaged (who she later left for Nic Cage).

True, she was dating that Johnny Ozaka guy for a few years in the late 90s and they were engaged but she called it off. This was all during the time that she and Michael hung out a few times. She broke up with Johnny so she could get with Nic Cage? eek She certainly does get around doesnt she?

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