UptownCitizen said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah I just learned that was a compliment when you visit there. Strange.

Can anyone (preferably someone English) explain how calling someone a cunt is a compliment there - or anywhere? I think it's only used in certain circles over there while, for the most part, remaining offensive in general.

Although I live in the UK for a year now, I wouldn't dare use that word and I really don't know how it is used lol. But I can tell you that several languages use offensive words in a non-offensive manner. In greek for example you can use the words "wanker" and "f"ggot" towards your best (straight) friend or any person you know and they don't really mean anything more than an informal "friend" or "buddy" (it is actually a way of showing you feel comfortable and close to the other person) and you can also use them in an offensive way. Which is why we never really comprehend all the politically correct language debate going on. That said there are words with an offensive meaning based on history and are generally avoided in our language too.

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UptownCitizen said:

sextonseven said:

I'm concerned that others are being overly concerned. I think that's a waste of time because too many artists over the years have said something wrong about a group of people at some point--whether it be Robert Plant, Amy Winehouse, Lauryn Hill, Elvis Costello or Fishbone--that people would be bothered every day.

When someone posts on this thread 'fuck this guy's career' I interpret that as meaning his music has no value. I disagree.

You may disagree, but that doesn't make someone else's choice irrelevant. This might totally erase any value that Robert Plant's music may have had for someone else. Oh well.

You're concerned about others being overly concerned about the issue more than you're concerned about the actual issue. It might be a waste of time, but that's not your time to waste. The level of concern you may have set for yourself doesn't necessarily determine anyone else's.

My disagreeing with someone means I think what they said is irrelevant? Where did I say that? My word is not the law. No one has to pay any attention to what I said.

My opinion is there are other things worth getting upset about more than something some old Brit said on TV. If it still bothers you that much then okay.

sextonseven said:

UptownCitizen said:

You may disagree, but that doesn't make someone else's choice irrelevant. This might totally erase any value that Robert Plant's music may have had for someone else. Oh well.

You're concerned about others being overly concerned about the issue more than you're concerned about the actual issue. It might be a waste of time, but that's not your time to waste. The level of concern you may have set for yourself doesn't necessarily determine anyone else's.

My disagreeing with someone means I think what they said is irrelevant? Where did I say that? My word is not the law. No one has to pay any attention to what I said.

I don't think anyone takes part in this forum to be ignored. We all come here to share our opinions with each other.

My opinion is there are other things worth getting upset about more than something some old Brit said on TV. If it still bothers you that much then okay.

I understand that. I also understand that you have your opinion about things worth you getting upset about that may or may not apply to other people. If the topic isn't worth you discussing or getting upset about, then the only reason you're here is to insinuate that it shouldn't bother anyone else as much as it does because it doesn't bother you. Which, in and of itself, is pretty offensive. Have your own opinion about what concerns you - cool. But trying to be coy about dictating to me what I should be concerned about and the level of concern I should or shouldn't have is offensive.

UptownCitizen said:

I don't think anyone takes part in this forum to be ignored. We all come here to share our opinions with each other.

I understand that. I also understand that you have your opinion about things worth you getting upset about that may or may not apply to other people. If the topic isn't worth you discussing or getting upset about, then the only reason you're here is to insinuate that it shouldn't bother anyone else as much as it does because it doesn't bother you. Which, in and of itself, is pretty offensive. Have your own opinion about what concerns you - cool. But trying to be coy about dictating to me what I should be concerned about and the level of concern I should or shouldn't have is offensive.

I'm confused as to why you find my posts offensive. I only posted on this thread hoping it might make some people see things differently. If they don't then okay. Me being "coy" and "insinuating" things--you're reading too much into my posts.

He's an old fart that made great music 3 generations ago... [Snip - luv4u]

csharp57 said:

He's an old fart that made great music 3 generations ago... [Snip - luv4u]

That's unfair, cos I think 'Come' and the 'Gold Experience' were quite good.

dannyd5050 said:

Perhaps Robert Plant was reffering to blues from a historical point of view as "spook music". Blues may have been known in the U.S. as "spook music" from condescending white folk in the early days. Obviously with him being British and wordly he knows that. But the word probably has no offence in Britain. Even here in the U.S. that word is never used in today's day and age. Ever. A lot of people don't even know it's a racist term today.

You're probably right. It's entirely possible that he simply blew a reference to what was widely known as "race music" in the days before rock 'n' roll.

Identity said:

"Spook" is likely a slur he uses in private to reference Blacks. On the Today Show, he was selectively oblivious to his surroundings and did what comes naturally to him.

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exactly, Identity gave an almost textbook definition of a racist. yeah, "ignorance" is unacceptable at 66. this is just the REAL him and to say, but ohh, he borrowed and cited blues as an influence. yeah, yeah. to borrow, steal, and be influenced by does NOT mean you think those "others" not like you are your EQUAL as human beings.

You are all assuming that it is a racial slur..

It always comes down to that.

datdude said:...to borrow, steal, and be influenced by does NOT mean you think those "others" not like you are your EQUAL as human beings.

True, and it's amazing that some folks still don't get it. Talk about being delusional and naive.

uPtoWnNY said:

datdude said:...to borrow, steal, and be influenced by does NOT mean you think those "others" not like you are your EQUAL as human beings.

True, and it's amazing that some folks still don't get it. Talk about being delusional and naive.

Eminem effect.

Just because he uses a medium that has the archetype of being "Black" doesn't mean he's not racist...

just makes him a bad racist