Timmy84 said:

Harlepolis said:

You would think Joe would be the one acting a scrambled egg mess but NOOOOOOOOO James and his 33 front teeth had to take the cake

Little Richard took some heat from JB when they toured together at some point too. The industry was a jungle to black performers who wanted to maintain a survival, no wonder why every black performer who enjoyed a longevity to this day isn't known to be an easy person, and I wouldn't blame them for the world.

Ray Charles and James used to have a little beef but somehow they sorted it out. Same could be said about Richard and James.

What about Barry White? I remember you saying that JB threw some shade @ Berry in one of his songs, I don't remember which one.

Harlepolis said:

Timmy84 said:

Ray Charles and James used to have a little beef but somehow they sorted it out. Same could be said about Richard and James.

What about Barry White? I remember you saying that JB threw some shade @ Berry in one of his songs, I don't remember which one.

It was "Get Up Offa That Thang" the longer version.

Apparently he felt Barry's sound copied off of his.

Timmy84 said:

banks said:

no i don't mean that she deserved to be beat.. i just meant that she was feisty in probally she fought back as someone stated that when he asked David about the rumors of him beating her and he said it was the other way around "that she kicked his ass"

I think it was because she was more in love with David that that's why their fights were combative but I don't think the same can be said about James.

Yep and I like James Brown 's music but hearing this about him not only absuing a woman but , a young 17 year old woman at that and he was 30 when he did this . That was absurd . She should not have went out with him in the first place . She did not deserve that abuse . Especially just because she did not watch every second of his show . James brown seemed ruthless and needed an ass whooping for that . I wonder is that why she did not fight back against James Brown like she did against David Ruffin . Probably because she was only 17 when James was 30 .

Timmy84 said:

missfee said:

Also that detailed description of how James Brown beat Tammi down after his show kind of made me sick to my stomach. While I was trying to imagine it, I got madder and madder. I wanted to beat his ass myself.

When I read excerpts of what James did to her, I almost wanted to go to South Carolina when James was living and punch him in his mouth lol

What exactly did James do to Tammi Terrell after the show during the beating ? You read the excerpts so what exactly did he do during that situation ?

Harlepolis said:

That book is a mess, ain't it? but it really made me feel sorry for all of the people who were associated with the Motown legacy, and it shattered my assumption that being a black owned label, you'd think they would cut their artists some slack.

Not when it comes to money.

uPtoWnNY said:

Harlepolis said:

That book is a mess, ain't it? but it really made me feel sorry for all of the people who were associated with the Motown legacy, and it shattered my assumption that being a black owned label, you'd think they would cut their artists some slack.

Not when it comes to money.

Money can make anybody do stupid things (like take your rights away, like they did Marvin despite the fact they allowed him to create his own material after 1970).

Harlepolis said:

Timmy84 said:

Oh I can give you the reason.

Apparently the James Brown/Joe Tex rivalry was a long, grueling one that started around 1961. Joe Tex had written and recorded the original version of "Baby You're Right". Around that same period, someone gave the song to James and he made it an R&B hit. Joe wasn't exactly pleased that James got the hit he thought was his.

Then another element was added when James began dating Joe's woman. I think they were introduced when Joe and James were close by and somehow Joe's woman went in a club with Joe and left in James' arms. This angered Joe and one night when the two were co-headlining a gig somewhere, Joe, who was often the COMEDIAN, decided to mock James' "Please Please Please" ending. He had a cape dropped on him and he yelled "please please please please GET ME OUT OF THIS CAPE!" James saw this and was pissed off.

SO after the show, they have a little afterparty. Joe is chilling with his boys and having no idea of the shit that was to come. Suddenly James came out with a gun and began shooting at Joe's folks and everyone RAN out of there! James didn't hit nobody and Joe was lucky to escape with his life.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

D.A.M.N.

The story was on some blog and some people who hung around with Joe Tex talked about running for their lives as James shot at them.

laurarichardson said:

Harlepolis said:

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

D.A.M.N.

The story was on some blog and some people who hung around with Joe Tex talked about running for their lives as James shot at them.

Badass.

kjw709 said:

Timmy84 said:

When I read excerpts of what James did to her, I almost wanted to go to South Carolina when James was living and punch him in his mouth lol

What exactly did James do to Tammi Terrell after the show during the beating ? You read the excerpts so what exactly did he do during that situation ?

He hit her upside the head with an umbrella hanger.

Timmy84 said:

kjw709 said:

What exactly did James do to Tammi Terrell after the show during the beating ? You read the excerpts so what exactly did he do during that situation ?

He hit her upside the head with an umbrella hanger.

Damn ! That ' s screwed up . I wonder what happened after that and what she did after he did that . Im surprised nobody stopped him . he deserved a swift ass kicking for that .

kjw709 said:

Timmy84 said:

He hit her upside the head with an umbrella hanger.

Damn ! That ' s screwed up . I wonder what happened after that and what she did after he did that . Im surprised nobody stopped him . he deserved a swift ass kicking for that .

Shortly after that incident she left him. James' other female proteges like Marva Whitney, Lyn Collins and 'em said James was as abusive to them too.

I think it stemmed from James' childhood. His mother abandoned him at three.

Not that I'm making an excuse for James because what he did was inexcusable, but it was obvious James suffered from psychological abuse of his own and he took it out on folks that cared for him.

[Edited 11/10/10 10:59am]

Timmy84 said:

kjw709 said:

Damn ! That ' s screwed up . I wonder what happened after that and what she did after he did that . Im surprised nobody stopped him . he deserved a swift ass kicking for that .

Shortly after that incident she left him. James' other female proteges like Marva Whitney, Lyn Collins and 'em said James was as abusive to them too.

I think it stemmed from James' childhood. His mother abandoned him at three.

Not that I'm making an excuse for James because what he did was inexcusable, but it was obvious James suffered from psychological abuse of his own and he took it out on folks that cared for him.

[Edited 11/10/10 10:59am]

Yeah , that must have been the reason for that . Because he was too much of a great musician to just be that ruthless . There had to have been something else to go with why he was abusive to all the women he was with .

Harlepolis said:

missfee said:

And Marvin was right. They was fucking with Tammi. That damn Berry and his famous dollars. That's why her mother didn't want nobody but Marvin there at the funeral from Motown...everybody else was banned. It all makes sense. I need to read Marvin's book again. I know there was a whole lot more Motown skeletons that he revealed but I've forgotten now

That book is a mess, ain't it? but it really made me feel sorry for all of the people who were associated with the Motown legacy, and it shattered my assumption that being a black owned label, you'd think they would cut their artists some slack.

The only thing missing from the book(and one of the most important things I might add) was Janis Gaye's interview, should've given another side of the story in relation to her life with Marvin, but knowing the problem she was facing at the time, I understand her reasoning for shying away from the project.

Girl, if you look ever so closely you'll see them horns sticking out of Mr. Gordy's head. If there is a hell . . . .

TD3 said:

Harlepolis said:

That book is a mess, ain't it? but it really made me feel sorry for all of the people who were associated with the Motown legacy, and it shattered my assumption that being a black owned label, you'd think they would cut their artists some slack.

The only thing missing from the book(and one of the most important things I might add) was Janis Gaye's interview, should've given another side of the story in relation to her life with Marvin, but knowing the problem she was facing at the time, I understand her reasoning for shying away from the project.

Girl, if you look ever so closely you'll see them horns sticking out of Mr. Gordy's head. If there is a hell . . . .

I could've sworn last time I saw Berry I saw horns protruding out.