paisleypark4 said:

Reid is FINE MAN, fine man...mm hmmm

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Just dont let him promote you..mhmmm

Album will fall faster than Vanilla Ice's new single

paisleypark4 said:

Reid is FINE MAN, fine man...mm hmm

midiscover said:

paisleypark4 said:

Reid is FINE MAN, fine man...mm hmm

not like that...

paisleypark4 said:

Reid is FINE MAN, fine man...mm hmmm

[img:$uid]http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/40813_o.gif[/img:$uid]

Just dont let him promote you..mhmmm

Album will fall faster than Vanilla Ice's new single

midiscover said:

soul4thought said:

She HAS put out another album since then. Maybe you didn't remember? Understandable . Those comment were moreso pointed at "Memoirs" than "E=MC2," to tell you the truth.

I do feel like the sorry choice (I hated the song from the beginning) combined with sorry promotion of "Bye Bye" halted any future potential that album had in its tracks. The label came with an overwhelming frontal approach and failed to sustain it afterward, even on a single-by-single basis. I always felt that was odd and quite forced considering Rihanna gets the payola period for nearly the entire length of her album's life - it was almost like they wanted the big splash and to be through with her. The train hasn't gotten back on the track for MC since then.

Again, I really meant the botched job all around on "Memoirs" but if I have to trace the beginning of the end back to a breaking-point, that's where I see it.

I'll define 'rawest treatment' for you momentarily...

[Edited 9/21/10 17:14pm]

I'm aware of that but you only mentioned E=MC. LOL at you saying Rihnna gets payola as if Mariah doesn't. Ch... Memoirs was a botch album period She did a remix with a popular rapper and R&B singer and it still flopped. Let's not act like IDJ didn't push Mariah at all. They did. She promoted IWTKWLI and it did nothing. Oh well.

The complete statement was ..."considering Rihanna gets the payola period for nearly the entire length of her album's life."

If you are going to sit up here and insinuate that Mariah has priority over Rihanna at Island DefJam, you are either:

a) An irrational hater of Mariah -or-

b) An irrational stan of Rihanna

...and your replies have shown me you're one of the two.

I refuse to deal with either individual so I'm going to cut this conversation short, with all due respect, as you've completely missed the point anyway.

soul4thought said:

midiscover said:

I'm aware of that but you only mentioned E=MC. LOL at you saying Rihnna gets payola as if Mariah doesn't. Ch... Memoirs was a botch album period She did a remix with a popular rapper and R&B singer and it still flopped. Let's not act like IDJ didn't push Mariah at all. They did. She promoted IWTKWLI and it did nothing. Oh well.

The complete statement was ..."considering Rihanna gets the payola period for nearly the entire length of her album's life."

If you are going to sit up here and insinuate that Mariah has priority over Rihanna at Island DefJam, you are either:

a) An irrational hater of Mariah -or-

b) An irrational stan of Rihanna

...and your replies have shown me you're one of the two.

I refuse to deal with either individual so I'm going to cut this conversation short, with all due respect, as you've completely missed the point anyway.

soul4thought said:

midiscover said:

I'm aware of that but you only mentioned E=MC. LOL at you saying Rihnna gets payola as if Mariah doesn't. Ch... Memoirs was a botch album period She did a remix with a popular rapper and R&B singer and it still flopped. Let's not act like IDJ didn't push Mariah at all. They did. She promoted IWTKWLI and it did nothing. Oh well.

The complete statement was ..."considering Rihanna gets the payola period for nearly the entire length of her album's life."

If you are going to sit up here and insinuate that Mariah has priority over Rihanna at Island DefJam, you are either:

a) An irrational hater of Mariah -or-

b) An irrational stan of Rihanna

...and your replies have shown me you're one of the two.

I refuse to deal with either individual so I'm going to cut this conversation short, with all due respect, as you've completely missed the point anyway.

Where the hell did you get that I was insinuating that Mariah has priority over Rihanna? I'm not here for your assumptions. Why do you seem so flustered, hun? All I said was that Mariah has recieved payola money as well. And IDJ DID push her albums and gave her plenty of promotion money. That's all. Just because her last two albums didn't sell as well as you thought it would doesn't mean you need to put the blame on the label when they already did their job.

[Edited 9/22/10 7:31am]

midiscover said:

soul4thought said:

The complete statement was ..."considering Rihanna gets the payola period for nearly the entire length of her album's life."

If you are going to sit up here and insinuate that Mariah has priority over Rihanna at Island DefJam, you are either:

a) An irrational hater of Mariah -or-

b) An irrational stan of Rihanna

...and your replies have shown me you're one of the two.

I refuse to deal with either individual so I'm going to cut this conversation short, with all due respect, as you've completely missed the point anyway.

Where the hell did you get that I was insinuating that Mariah has priority over Rihanna? I'm not here for your assumptions. Why do you seem so flustered, hun? All I said was that Mariah has recieved payola money as well. And IDJ DID push her albums and gave her plenty of promotion money. That's all. Just because her last two albums didn't sell as well as you thought it would doesn't mean you need to put the blame on the label when they already did their job.

[Edited 9/22/10 7:31am]

mmmm mm mm chile, you better tell it.

I get the feeling that Lady Gaga is gonna show up in this thread in T-minus 3 seconds ... 2 ...

L.A. Reid Was Not Fired From Island Def Jam

Reports have been swirling today that Island Def Jam CEO, Antonio ‘L.A.’ Reid, had been fired from his post by the heads of the Universal Music Group. However, XXL magazine has received word from an official representative of the label who confirms that the rumours “are completely untrue and without merit”.

Reid, who became the head of IDJ in 2004, is credited for signing Mariah Carey, Young Jeezy, Justin Bieber and OutKast to the label. However, the music mogul received severe criticism from industry pundits after the underwhelming performances of Rihanna and Carey’s most recent studio albums as well as for adding rapper Shyne and Jennifer Lopez to the label’s lineup.

Its just rumors!......

midiscover said:

soul4thought said:

The complete statement was ..."considering Rihanna gets the payola period for nearly the entire length of her album's life."

If you are going to sit up here and insinuate that Mariah has priority over Rihanna at Island DefJam, you are either:

a) An irrational hater of Mariah -or-

b) An irrational stan of Rihanna

...and your replies have shown me you're one of the two.

I refuse to deal with either individual so I'm going to cut this conversation short, with all due respect, as you've completely missed the point anyway.

Where the hell did you get that I was insinuating that Mariah has priority over Rihanna? I'm not here for your assumptions. Why do you seem so flustered, hun? All I said was that Mariah has recieved payola money as well. And IDJ DID push her albums and gave her plenty of promotion money. That's all. Just because her last two albums didn't sell as well as you thought it would doesn't mean you need to put the blame on the label when they already did their job.

[Edited 9/22/10 7:31am]

Do you really think you can just think you can cherry pick and twist and turn points and that's going to get you through a conversation? And that people are going to be OK with that? While I *did* say that I don't think she had the same promotional opportunities with "Memoirs" as with previous albums, where did I deny any of the other points exactly as you say them above?

Yeah, I make assumptions about people who take the mention of one name, used as an example, and blow it out of proportion into a separate argument with no purpose.

After repeated attempts to bring the point of the post back to the forefront, you have:

1. Continued to harp on what is really a moot issue. The focus is actually on Rihanna's position at her label, and how that relates to L.A Reid and the other labelmates (including MC). I want to talk about the big picture and you're still over here talking about Mariah Carey.

2. Gone crazy over a single mention of "E=MC2" when I clearly stated that the era started off well (in your words, "plenty of promotion" which YOU'RE RIGHT WAS TRUE) and ended on a puff (which is also true, and is an unacceptable turn-of-events that IS actually completely related to the label), and that the good times ended there. What is incorrect about anything in that sentence?

But your reply was: The good times stopped because of the music (which is 100% opinion) and she received plenty of promotion (No one said said she didn't! I know what MY point is...what is YOUR point?)."

3. Made an inaccurate assumption about ME - that I look at the matter like Rihanna gets payola as if Mariah doesn't. I never ONCE even hinted that she has never received major payola in the past, much less that she's some "Ciara" at her label. I just made a general statement about "taking away time, money, and energy" on my first post. Then, after jumping to conclusions multiple times during the conversation about points you don't seem to pick up on the basis or timeline for, fail to clarify, or fully understand before you reply...you have the nerve to say "I'm not here for your assumptions" to ME!

And since you won't tell me what your point has been through all of this, I had to interpret one on my own. Is it that you don't want me to not use Mariah as an example? Fair enough, but *I* see her as being an valid example. During "E=MC2" - not so much (even though I think they were more concerned with effective short-term vs. long-term promotion that era, and I said that). But when it comes to "Rated R" vs. "Memoirs?" ABSO-EFFING-LUTELY. Like you said before, "I'm just calling it like I see it." I accepted that from you. Now accept it from me.

I'd be fine agreeing to disagree. That's what rational people do. But you're trying to convince me of your irrelevant viewpoint regarding my post while trying to talk me down. That's why I assumed you must be thinking irrationally. You came in confrontational from the beginning so, buddy, I'm really the one that should be looking at you strangely here

...and that's the last thing I'm going to say. You win: Mariah still gets the same overall treatment as Rihanna - better, even - on IDJ.

[Edited 9/22/10 16:17pm]

Hold. the. fuck. up.

soul4thought said:

Yeah, I make assumptions about people who take the mention of one name, used as an example, and blow it out of proportion into a separate argument with no purpose.

This is exactly what you're doing with that failed essay, dear

I'm not here for your reverse psychology.

Where did I continue to harp on about a moot issue? Again, with the reverse psychology. Where did you ever make a focus, hun? Do you even know what you're talking about? YOU are the on that's still talking about her yet you already agreed on the point I made in my first post to you:

Ok. So why are you still blabbing?

I never said it wasn't an opinion, did I? It's an opinion that many of her former fans and casual music buyers happen to agree with and this is evident in the decline of her album sales. CH! @ the bolded! Why are you contradiciting yourself?

Where did I make a assumption about you? AGAIN! with the reverse psychology! I could've sworn you said this:

Jumping to conclusions? Do you hear yourself now? Do you read what you write!?

DEATH! This is just too much!

You AGREED with the POINT I made already. Comprende? in all seriousness did you not read my response to you? I didn't down talk you. WTF. Why so butt hurt? You haven't even seen me down talk you .... yet. JK!

FINSHED @ the orange. Sis, when you ASSume you only make yourself look a fool. It's not good to assume. My first response was straight to the point. I didn't call you names or anything. I just pointed out that Mariah was treated fairly under IDJ. She got her money and etc. That's all.

and I would LOVE for you to explain the difference in promotion between Rated R and Memoirs. Rated R garnered more sales (single wise!) and sold moderately well album wise because of the material.

Mariah promoted her album/singles on X Factor, X Factor in Italy, Oprah, Americas Got Talent, David Letterman, GMTV and some other show in the UK. That same year she did a show in Vegas. She did two remixes of two of her singles (that flopped) with today's aritsts and toured in 2010. The other promo she did was followed after or before her album release!

Ok, now look at Rihanna's promotion -

Rihanna did a sit down interview on Good Morning America about her fight with former BF Chris Brown about two weeks before the album was relased. A concert that was sponsored by Nokia in the UK. That's all she did in 2009! She didn't start promo again until early this year! Even that was hardly any promo (Kids Choice Awards and Superbowl Jam on VH1) LMAO! She hardly did any promo because she doesn't need to. Rihanna can release a single right now and it will make waves on the radio and skyrocket up the iTunes charts.

So again, spare me the details about this advantage Rihanna has LMAO!

Is it Rihanna's remix album that was released and flopped?

ANYWAY!

You said:

I simply pointed out that this is FALSE.

In conclusion, you're taking this wayyy too seriously. All I said was that Mariah recieved fair treatment under IDJ. She got her promotional money and creative control. End of. That's all I pointed out since you said that LA took money and energy away from her projects when he didn't. Deal with it.

Oh!

As always!

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Smooches!

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[Edited 9/22/10 16:12pm]

paisleypark4 said:

Reid is FINE MAN, fine man...mm hmmm

[img:$uid]http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/40813_o.gif[/img:$uid]

Just dont let him promote you..mhmmm

Album will fall faster than Vanilla Ice's new single