WaterInYourBath said:

mozfonky said:

it's guy talk goddamit, not meant for public consumption. I think "I wanna lick your pussy" when I'm communicating to women, of course I don't say that but it's what i wanna do. Whatcha gonna do arrest me for what's in my mind? Don't worry all you dingbats, someday you won't personally have to worry about any man wanting you, your beauty is fleeting and if you're a nag that'll be all that's left.

Nothing in your response has anything to do with Michael Jackson, what he said in that limo, or anything anyone else has posted here about the footage. And what's with the dingbat and beauty retorts? If your ignorant words in this post are any indication of what you're like.....Nah, nevermind. Not going there in this thread.

hhaha you're cute send me a pic. anyway, whether you like it or not its what's on mens minds, you can't change that. Mike spends his lifetime acting androgynous and asexual and the minute he says anything some miserable feminist goes nuts. Anyway, have a good life.

jaybendy said:

How he managed to keeep going for so long after all of that and THEN the trial, is beyond me. My ass woulda crumbled long ago. He put up a strong fight for as long as he could.

yes

that's why I love the second disc of HIStory, though; it's an uneven album, sure, and the filler is everywhere, but it's full of moments of pure, raw rage; in fact, it's this album is one of my first choices when I'm really angry for some reason...

jaybendy said:

JoeTyler said:

many say that HIStory still could be considered as a "classic/happy" time for Michael, but hell, I remember when it came out in 1995, it was a BAD year: people bitching about the high price of the double album, about how fuckin' vain he was, about the "low" quality of many of his new songs, about the whole "he's now white cuz he hates his own breed" scandal , about the first 1993 child scandal, about the "phony" marriage with Presley, about the "antisemitism" of TDCAU, etc, etc. SHIT, 1995-96 WAS NOT A HAPPY TIME , despite the success of You're Not Alone & Scream...I think this was the time when the media and the mainstream masses made him bitter and neurotic...

I'd never say that about History, he was so full of anger then. A friend and I sometimes get so angry thinking about all the wonderful music he could have created had he not gone thru the things he did in court with the family who shall remain nameless and the media.

I remember my dad bought it for me as a gift when it was released and I played the greatest hits CD more than the other one.. I didn't like this Michael. Of course I revisited it after he died and realized that was why I didn't listen to it all these years. He was angry. I didn't like angry Michael, but I understand it now. How he managed to keeep going for so long after all of that and THEN the trial, is beyond me. My ass woulda crumbled long ago. He put up a strong fight for as long as he could.

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I think it's a fine album and one of his most personal. Just remember, in spite of all the feel good rhetoric about America it's still America and after the successes of Thriller etc.., Michael had forgotten that with the subsequent "Black Or White", he got what Paul Mooney referred to as his "N wake up call". The songs are inspired and honest, some of Elvis' or Bruce Springsteen's stuff is full of rage and bitterness, but coming from Mike I guess some people didn't want it. What I like the best is that the songs have their own sound, which is something most great artists have at a lot younger age, Mike in that way, peaked late but boy was it great. The other songs from the era, Morphine etc.., are some of his best work. Invinciible? I haven't really listened to it, other that "Threatened" which contains all the sonic textures of his newly discovered voice is brilliant.

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I think Michael HAD to put the album out. He had to let everyone know how fucked up this system was and what it was doing to him. It was 31 years of frustration I believe. It's like Janet's Velvet Rope where she put 26 and a half years of her life (after moving to Cali as a tyke) because she had suffered for a long time in silence. Michael finally exploded with HIStory. I was initially disappointed when the album came out in '95 but now I appreciate it as one of his best projects if the sequence of the album was uneven at best.

JoeTyler said:

jaybendy said:

How he managed to keeep going for so long after all of that and THEN the trial, is beyond me. My ass woulda crumbled long ago. He put up a strong fight for as long as he could.

yes

that's why I love the second disc of HIStory, though; it's an uneven album, sure, and the filler is everywhere, but it's full of moments of pure, raw rage; in fact, it's this album is one of my first choices when I'm really angry for some reason...

and I think the most emotional I got after Mike passed was listening to Smile from the album, this song written by Charlie Chaplin who also got a raw deal from the system expressed Mike perfectly in his later years. DS, They Don't Care About Us, good stuff.

Timmy84 said:

I think Michael HAD to put the album out. He had to let everyone know how fucked up this system was and what it was doing to him. It was 31 years of frustration I believe. It's like Janet's Velvet Rope where she put 26 and a half years of her life (after moving to Cali as a tyke) because she had suffered for a long time in silence. Michael finally exploded with HIStory. I was initially disappointed when the album came out in '95 but now I appreciate it as one of his best projects if the sequence of the album was uneven at best.

This is how I feel about it also. I mean he HAD to, yes, I'm just disappointed sometimes about the kind of musical output we COULD have had had he not had to deal with all that craziness. I mean I guess it was all meant to be, because listenening to the album now it's his most personal stuff. I remember specifically picking out Stranger in Moscow as my fav song from HIStory. I can barely listen to it now, too much.

Honestly tho, I'm just happy to have the damn CD, just happy to have been on this earth when he was so I could experience all that greatness. Just wish I had been born 10 years earlier so I could have gone to a Bad tour show.

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JoeTyler said:

I've been recently listening to Dangeous again and I have to say it one more friggin' time: it's a f*ckin' masterpiece!!!!

for me, this is the last time he was TRULY focused AND "happy" (no trials, no scandals, nothing): with the help/guidance of Teddy, he delivered a hip album full of "OK I'm gonna fuckin' kick your ass" dance jams like Jam, She Drives Me Wild (lost classic), Why U Wanna Trip On Me or the title-track; sensual R&B like In the Closet, Give It To Me, Remember the Time or Who Is It; one perfect pop single (BorW) and a string of epics (Heal the World, Will You Be There, Gone Too Soon, Keep the Faith)...

Such a shame that this album went kind of unnoticed (despite the high sales) because of the rise of grunge and shit. It's in my top20 of best albums of the 90s, that's for sure . The end of Michael's golden era, everything went downhill after this...

Mike didn't put out much bad stuff, and that is one of my criticisms, if he'd only not been so hard on himself, he'd have released more material. Perfectionism is great but not when it puts everything to a halt. Mike could have benefited from some commercial dissapointments that would have freed him up to do other stuff, freed him from his own and the publics expectations. Anyway, the album had some great songs, even though he tried to repeat the thriller formula again, Give In To Me is a great rock song, maybe his best and most convincing. Jam was and several others were successful in catering to the era. I don't think the singles were as good as the ones from the earlier albums but the album as a whole was really, really strong. The vids were ok too. Like any commercially successful artist who's success starts to wane, he fought tooth and nail but the newer styles of grunge and even more revolutionary, hip hop were already heavily underway. I guess we could argue the merits of the music post-92 all day but I'll just say that's when I stopped even trying to follow current music. Some of it's great, usually, the professionalism and ambitiion that my heroes had is a missing quality. It's like a game to these people.

[img]https://www.julienslive.com/images/lot/3471/0/lot3471.jpg[/img]

let the whole world be against me long as God knows I'm an innocent man,

now if the British try to find me then lord where will I go

let the whole world try to find me long as God knows.

from "An Innocent Man"

mozfonky said:

WaterInYourBath said:

"Boobies" is more like a little boy term, that's why I thought it would have been comical coming from Michael. I don't think people would be as shocked if he had said that instead of "titties." You hear men of all ages using "titties" in the US all the time, so it's not cute, and that lack of cuteness when hearing Mike say that word is what I think is shocking some fans, lol.

it's guy talk goddamit, not meant for public consumption. I think "I wanna lick your pussy" when I'm communicating to women, of course I don't say that but it's what i wanna do. Whatcha gonna do arrest me for what's in my mind? Don't worry all you dingbats, someday you won't personally have to worry about any man wanting you, your beauty is fleeting and if you're a nag that'll be all that's left.

lawd

jaybendy said:

EmeraldSkies said:

Branca & dem are killing me with the video games tho. I'm down with the cirque show and all that, and I'm still undecided on wether or not I'm gonna purchase this new CD/DVD whatever cause I'm still sour about Sony, and I'm over the damn moon that they are finally gonna release Bad Tour after all this time, but the video games??? Too much. Too. Much.

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I'm surprised they went along with it, because it was something Michael was working on before he passed and they may have felt that it wouldn't work without him here

mozfonky said:

JoeTyler said:

yes

that's why I love the second disc of HIStory, though; it's an uneven album, sure, and the filler is everywhere, but it's full of moments of pure, raw rage; in fact, it's this album is one of my first choices when I'm really angry for some reason...

and I think the most emotional I got after Mike passed was listening to Smile from the album, this song written by Charlie Chaplin who also got a raw deal from the system expressed Mike perfectly in his later years. DS, They Don't Care About Us, good stuff.

I agree. Smile had me tearing up along with Call On Me and One Day In Your Life

Before he passed, I was going through his catalog and had to say "wow" because this man's catalog is one of the most impressive I've listened to. One thing I wish people understood (especially on this forum), is that it's not always about who wrote the song, or played the instruments on it, but it's about the feeling it gives the listener, and that's why Michael was able to connect with so many people around the world

Timmy84 said:

I think Michael HAD to put the album out. He had to let everyone know how fucked up this system was and what it was doing to him. It was 31 years of frustration I believe. It's like Janet's Velvet Rope where she put 26 and a half years of her life (after moving to Cali as a tyke) because she had suffered for a long time in silence. Michael finally exploded with HIStory. I was initially disappointed when the album came out in '95 but now I appreciate it as one of his best projects if the sequence of the album was uneven at best.

also, the stuff with the videos and statues, well, propaganda may have worked in ww2 germany but America is a much more complex place. I read an interview a while back from someone who worked on the album with him who said that the guy with all the megalomania in the videos confused him because it was not the sweet gentleman he worked with. In death, we have to forgive those kinds of faux pas, every artist makes them, fame is heady, heady stuff. Hell, I get a couple girls screaming over me and I can't sleep, couldn't imagine how Mike must have felt at times.

bboy87 said:

mozfonky said:

and I think the most emotional I got after Mike passed was listening to Smile from the album, this song written by Charlie Chaplin who also got a raw deal from the system expressed Mike perfectly in his later years. DS, They Don't Care About Us, good stuff.

I agree. Smile had me tearing up along with Call On Me and One Day In Your Life

Before he passed, I was going through his catalog and had to say "wow" because this man's catalog is one of the most impressive I've listened to. One thing I wish people understood (especially on this forum), is that it's not always about who wrote the song, or played the instruments on it, but it's about the feeling it gives the listener, and that's why Michael was able to connect with so many people around the world

Well, in my book, mike's own songs are the best in his catalog, that said, songwriting is just a vehicle. I remarked to someone yesterday that when I sing an original or a cover, the reaction is pretty much the same in terms of the type of song I sing. Getting across a song in itself is a gift, that is why Frank Sinatra and Elvis were legends when they never wrote a song.

bboy87 said:

mozfonky said:

and I think the most emotional I got after Mike passed was listening to Smile from the album, this song written by Charlie Chaplin who also got a raw deal from the system expressed Mike perfectly in his later years. DS, They Don't Care About Us, good stuff.

I agree. Smile had me tearing up along with Call On Me and One Day In Your Life

Before he passed, I was going through his catalog and had to say "wow" because this man's catalog is one of the most impressive I've listened to. One thing I wish people understood (especially on this forum), is that it's not always about who wrote the song, or played the instruments on it, but it's about the feeling it gives the listener, and that's why Michael was able to connect with so many people around the world

Totally. And I think people also need to realize that there are different methods to songmaking. So he didn't write everything or play instruments. He still managed to essentially come up with songs ON HIS OWN, hear the sounds he wanted on a song in his head, and vocally give each part to the musician or producer. Just because he didn't sit down at a piano and play the music doesn't make it him any less creative or the song any less relevant.

I also think alot of the reason for his succes wasn't just the music but his attitude his persona. His humility and generosity was what endeared him to so many people, it was the entire package I think.

mozfonky said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Nothing in your response has anything to do with Michael Jackson, what he said in that limo, or anything anyone else has posted here about the footage. And what's with the dingbat and beauty retorts? If your ignorant words in this post are any indication of what you're like.....Nah, nevermind. Not going there in this thread.

hhaha you're cute send me a pic. anyway, whether you like it or not its what's on mens minds, you can't change that. Mike spends his lifetime acting androgynous and asexual and the minute he says anything some miserable feminist goes nuts. Anyway, have a good life.

The heck are you talking about, and why did you start quoting me? Can you even read? Who in here is a miserable feminist? Why are you telling me what's on "men's minds" when that's irrelevant? And when did Michael act asexual? Good grief, chill with all that nonsense, I'm not the one you need to be responding to.

WaterInYourBath said:

mozfonky said:

hhaha you're cute send me a pic. anyway, whether you like it or not its what's on mens minds, you can't change that. Mike spends his lifetime acting androgynous and asexual and the minute he says anything some miserable feminist goes nuts. Anyway, have a good life.

The heck are you talking about, and why did you start quoting me? Can you even read? Who in here is a miserable feminist? Why are you telling me what's on "men's minds" when that's irrelevant? And when did Michael act asexual? Good grief, chill with all that nonsense, I'm not the one you need to be responding to.

i don't know, just following my dads advice, "son, a dingbat, is a dingbat is a dingbat" send me pic baby.

jaybendy said:

AnaisKarim said:

I love Dangerous, but Invincible is my favorite of his albums.

Dangerous FTW! I think the collaboration with Teddy produced some if his BEST work, besides the stuff he did with Quincy.

I've said that often, I call this the last happy time, before everything went to shit.

Happy times is right. He was really opening up and putting himself out there during Dangerous.. the Oprah interview, charity benefits, legend awards, superbowl, etc. I remember Jennifer Baten mentioning that Michael's mind was always running with creativity during that time and couldn't rest. Can you imagine the work he would've created if things didn't go ape shit the second half of 1993. I know unexpected turns is a common characteristic in life, and History was a product of what he went through - still, makes you wonder what could have been. I remember History as dark period. Artistically, it was great for the album. But the way things were going in his life and how the media kept taking rips at him.. I didn't want to hear it so I tuned out all the stories.... allegations, plastic surgery, LMP marriage, Debbie Rowe, anti-semitism, etc.

About all this "fish" crap; This is the same guy who had his own little nicknames for everything under the sun. Calling people "applehead" and "doo doo". Funky music "smelly jelly". My point is I'm sure his way of using the word had little to do with how the rest of society uses it. To him it was probably just a cute way of say "girls".

WildStyle said:

About all this "fish" crap; This is the same guy who had his own little nicknames for everything under the sun. Calling people "applehead" and "doo doo". Funky music "smelly jelly". My point is I'm sure his way of using the word had little to do with how the rest of society uses it. To him it was probably just a cute way of say "girls".

Exactly.

mozfonky said:

WaterInYourBath said:

The heck are you talking about, and why did you start quoting me? Can you even read? Who in here is a miserable feminist? Why are you telling me what's on "men's minds" when that's irrelevant? And when did Michael act asexual? Good grief, chill with all that nonsense, I'm not the one you need to be responding to.

i don't know, just following my dads advice, "son, a dingbat, is a dingbat is a dingbat" send me pic baby.

[img:$uid]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6870/30cqhbp.gif[/img:$uid]

That random mannequin = you

Michael = Me

....

Announcement regarding new album and dvd set will be released within the next two weeks.

rsggamer said:

Announcement regarding new album and dvd set will be released within the next two weeks.

I read that on MJJC. I'm waiting with baited breath

WaterInYourBath said:

mozfonky said:

i don't know, just following my dads advice, "son, a dingbat, is a dingbat is a dingbat" send me pic baby.

[img:$uid]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6870/30cqhbp.gif[/img:$uid]

That random mannequin = you

Michael = Me

....

let me see pic please?

MyLuv229 said:

WildStyle said:

About all this "fish" crap; This is the same guy who had his own little nicknames for everything under the sun. Calling people "applehead" and "doo doo". Funky music "smelly jelly". My point is I'm sure his way of using the word had little to do with how the rest of society uses it. To him it was probably just a cute way of say "girls".

Exactly.

I just thought it was something he'd picked up from one of his nephews or cousins.

Off the Wall commercial

The one for Thriller

mozfonky said:

WaterInYourBath said:

[img:$uid]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6870/30cqhbp.gif[/img:$uid]

That random mannequin = you

Michael = Me

....

let me see pic please?

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[img:$uid]http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/3000/24b4sq8.gif[/img:$uid]

Seeing tons of MJ Halloween costumes this year at Halloween shops.

Woulda killed for some of this stuff when I was a kid 92-97. I had

to make my own.

Anyone going to any parties/other events as MJ for Halloween?

Vanilli said:

Seeing tons of MJ Halloween costumes this year at Halloween shops.

Woulda killed for some of this stuff when I was a kid 92-97. I had

to make my own.

Anyone going to any parties/other events as MJ for Halloween?

I never did but I used to dress like MJ...somewhat. One Halloween I actually had the nerve to get a hat (not a fedora, I didn't have that lol), a glove and black jacket and I would roll up my sweatpants and lift up my socks and tried to reincarnate a MJ performance.

bboy87 said:

[img]https://www.julienslive.com/images/lot/3471/0/lot3471.jpg[/img]

let the whole world be against me long as God knows I'm an innocent man,

now if the British try to find me then lord where will I go

let the whole world try to find me long as God knows.

from "An Innocent Man"

Woooooooooooooow