ali23 said:

MyLuv229 said:

^ I can understand why some people were offended by Michael's use of the term. My initial reaction when he described the girl's "titties" was also the same. But remember, Michael had nicknames for everything, whether people, actions or objects. I think in LaToya's book, he once even used the term "cakes" for women. We all know he's always playing it safe with his image by using ambiguous terms. Making a statement like "there's some nice looking girl over there" is probably too obvious. Also, we all know that Michael is a gentleman and is respectful of women, men and children.

Also, when someone undergoes a break-up, don't people always say "there's more fish in the sea" Shouldn't we be offended by that? We can't take things too seriously sometimes.

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I remember Karen Faye talking about Mike using the the term "Fishing" to describe I guess looking at or for women!

Share all your stories, guys. I wanna know.

MyLuv229 said:

^ I can understand why some people were offended by Michael's use of the term. My initial reaction when he described the girl's "titties" was also the same. But remember, Michael had nicknames for everything, whether people, actions or objects. I think in LaToya's book, he once even used the term "cakes" for women. We all know he's always playing it safe with his image by using ambiguous terms. Making a statement like "there's some nice looking girl over there" is probably too obvious. Also, we all know that Michael is a gentleman and is respectful of women, men and children.

Also, when someone undergoes a break-up, don't people always say "there's more fish in the sea" Shouldn't we be offended by that? We can't take things too seriously sometimes.

[Edited 9/25/10 12:03pm]

Yeah, I didn't like that either, but it's just because I don't like that word. It's pretty juvenile, but whatever. I was upset over the term fish, because it is a slur that gays use to describe women. I'm just appalled that Michael (being a supposed gentleman) would choose to speak of women in such a way. Saying "theres other fish in the sea" is an analogy, it's not the same as actually calling someone a fish. Perhaps he was just ignorant too.

There's a double connotation for the word "fish" when used to describe women. One is the typical "many fish in the sea" that refers to the vast amount of people one can choose from. The other is a very gross derogatory meaning, regarding poor feminine hygiene that produces a supposed "fishy" odor. I don't know about gay men, but I've only ever heard vulgar male comedians make fun of unclean women they know who "smell like fish." That's where I learned that from. And that's also why a lot of women are insulted by that term. I'm not sure which Michael was thinking about, but the way he said it, it seems like it could be either one. It's strange coming from him either way. He didn't even sound right saying it.

And I hate the word "titties" too, lol. It's so inane. He really sounded odd saying that. .... I know he was a big kid, so I'm surprised he didn't say, I don't know, "boobies" instead. Now that actually would have been funny, LOL.

WaterInYourBath said:

There's a double connotation for the word "fish" when used to describe women. One is the typical "many fish in the sea" that refers to the vast amount of people one can choose from. The other is a very gross derogatory meaning, regarding poor feminine hygiene that produces a supposed "fishy" odor. I don't know about gay men, but I've only ever heard vulgar male comedians make fun of unclean women they know who "smell like fish." That's where I learned that from. And that's also why a lot of women are insulted by that term. I'm not sure which Michael was thinking about, but the way he said it, it seems like it could be either one. It's strange coming from him either way. He didn't even sound right saying it.

And I hate the word "titties" too, lol. It's so inane. He really sounded odd saying that. .... I know he was a big kid, so I'm surprised he didn't say, I don't know, "boobies" instead. Now that actually would have been funny, LOL.

I wish english was my native tongue so that I could tell the difference between boobies and titties. But I think it may sound weird from him cause we are not used to him acting or speaking this way. I wonder if people were so shocked if it came from another man.

what a voice

Amazing song

WaterInYourBath said:

There's a double connotation for the word "fish" when used to describe women. One is the typical "many fish in the sea" that refers to the vast amount of people one can choose from. The other is a very gross derogatory meaning, regarding poor feminine hygiene that produces a supposed "fishy" odor. I don't know about gay men, but I've only ever heard vulgar male comedians make fun of unclean women they know who "smell like fish." That's where I learned that from. And that's also why a lot of women are insulted by that term. I'm not sure which Michael was thinking about, but the way he said it, it seems like it could be either one. It's strange coming from him either way. He didn't even sound right saying it.

And I hate the word "titties" too, lol. It's so inane. He really sounded odd saying that. .... I know he was a big kid, so I'm surprised he didn't say, I don't know, "boobies" instead. Now that actually would have been funny, LOL.

If he thought the women stank he wouldn't have been excited to see them.

dag said:

WaterInYourBath said:

There's a double connotation for the word "fish" when used to describe women. One is the typical "many fish in the sea" that refers to the vast amount of people one can choose from. The other is a very gross derogatory meaning, regarding poor feminine hygiene that produces a supposed "fishy" odor. I don't know about gay men, but I've only ever heard vulgar male comedians make fun of unclean women they know who "smell like fish." That's where I learned that from. And that's also why a lot of women are insulted by that term. I'm not sure which Michael was thinking about, but the way he said it, it seems like it could be either one. It's strange coming from him either way. He didn't even sound right saying it.

And I hate the word "titties" too, lol. It's so inane. He really sounded odd saying that. .... I know he was a big kid, so I'm surprised he didn't say, I don't know, "boobies" instead. Now that actually would have been funny, LOL.

I wish english was my native tongue so that I could tell the difference between boobies and titties. But I think it may sound weird from him cause we are not used to him acting or speaking this way. I wonder if people were so shocked if it came from another man.

That's just it, he's Michael Jackson, of course people would be surprised.

seeingvoices12 said:

what a voice

Timmy84 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

what a voice

Some retarded trolls said that MJ lost his voice during that peroid , uncapable to hit the high notes ,struggling to sing this song in the studio that he had to do many takes to make it listenable.....it was a damn lie, this version is a spit on their faces.

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

Some retarded trolls said that MJ lost his voice during that peroid , uncapable to hit the high notes ,struggling to sing this song in the studio that he had to do many takes to make it listenable.....it was a damn lie, this version is a spit on their faces.

He sang a small part of Human Nature in the documentary "Michael Jackson Commerated"

it sounded great

bboy87 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Some retarded trolls said that MJ lost his voice during that peroid , uncapable to hit the high notes ,struggling to sing this song in the studio that he had to do many takes to make it listenable.....it was a damn lie, this version is a spit on their faces.

He sang a small part of Human Nature in the documentary "Michael Jackson Commerated"

it sounded great

Yeah jay , I know

I'm saying this because there was a heated debate with a pressed troll about this song in particular before MJ's passing.

dag said:

WaterInYourBath said:

There's a double connotation for the word "fish" when used to describe women. One is the typical "many fish in the sea" that refers to the vast amount of people one can choose from. The other is a very gross derogatory meaning, regarding poor feminine hygiene that produces a supposed "fishy" odor. I don't know about gay men, but I've only ever heard vulgar male comedians make fun of unclean women they know who "smell like fish." That's where I learned that from. And that's also why a lot of women are insulted by that term. I'm not sure which Michael was thinking about, but the way he said it, it seems like it could be either one. It's strange coming from him either way. He didn't even sound right saying it.

And I hate the word "titties" too, lol. It's so inane. He really sounded odd saying that. .... I know he was a big kid, so I'm surprised he didn't say, I don't know, "boobies" instead. Now that actually would have been funny, LOL.

I wish english was my native tongue so that I could tell the difference between boobies and titties. But I think it may sound weird from him cause we are not used to him acting or speaking this way. I wonder if people were so shocked if it came from another man.

"Boobies" is more like a little boy term, that's why I thought it would have been comical coming from Michael. I don't think people would be as shocked if he had said that instead of "titties." You hear men of all ages using "titties" in the US all the time, so it's not cute, and that lack of cuteness when hearing Mike say that word is what I think is shocking some fans, lol.

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

Some retarded trolls said that MJ lost his voice during that peroid , uncapable to hit the high notes ,struggling to sing this song in the studio that he had to do many takes to make it listenable.....it was a damn lie, this version is a spit on their faces.

People can always believe the worst of anybody once they ain't been out for a while.

WaterInYourBath said:

dag said:

I wish english was my native tongue so that I could tell the difference between boobies and titties. But I think it may sound weird from him cause we are not used to him acting or speaking this way. I wonder if people were so shocked if it came from another man.

"Boobies" is more like a little boy term, that's why I thought it would have been comical coming from Michael. I don't think people would be as shocked if he had said that instead of "titties." You hear men of all ages using "titties" in the US all the time, so it's not cute, and that lack of cuteness when hearing Mike say that word is what I think is shocking some fans, lol.

it's guy talk goddamit, not meant for public consumption. I think "I wanna lick your pussy" when I'm communicating to women, of course I don't say that but it's what i wanna do. Whatcha gonna do arrest me for what's in my mind? Don't worry all you dingbats, someday you won't personally have to worry about any man wanting you, your beauty is fleeting and if you're a nag that'll be all that's left.

I've been recently listening to Dangeous again and I have to say it one more friggin' time: it's a f*ckin' masterpiece!!!!

for me, this is the last time he was TRULY focused AND "happy" (no trials, no scandals, nothing): with the help/guidance of Teddy, he delivered a hip album full of "OK I'm gonna fuckin' kick your ass" dance jams like Jam, She Drives Me Wild (lost classic), Why U Wanna Trip On Me or the title-track; sensual R&B like In the Closet, Give It To Me, Remember the Time or Who Is It; one perfect pop single (BorW) and a string of epics (Heal the World, Will You Be There, Gone Too Soon, Keep the Faith)...

Such a shame that this album went kind of unnoticed (despite the high sales) because of the rise of grunge and shit. It's in my top20 of best albums of the 90s, that's for sure . The end of Michael's golden era, everything went downhill after this...

JoeTyler said:

I've been recently listening to Dangeous again and I have to say it one more friggin' time: it's a f*ckin' masterpiece!!!!

for me, this is the last time he was TRULY focused AND "happy" (no trials, no scandals, nothing): with the help/guidance of Teddy, he delivered a hip album full of "OK I'm gonna fuckin' kick your ass" dance jams like Jam, She Drives Me Wild (lost classic), Why U Wanna Trip On Me or the title-track; sensual R&B like In the Closet, Give It To Me, Remember the Time or Who Is It; one perfect pop single (BorW) and a string of epics (Heal the World, Will You Be There, Gone Too Soon, Keep the Faith)...

Such a shame that this album went kind of unnoticed (despite the high sales) because of the rise of grunge and shit. It's in my top20 of best albums of the 90s, that's for sure . The end of Michael's golden era, everything went downhill after this...

I love Dangerous, but Invincible is my favorite of his albums.

ali23 said:

MyLuv229 said:

^ I can understand why some people were offended by Michael's use of the term. My initial reaction when he described the girl's "titties" was also the same. But remember, Michael had nicknames for everything, whether people, actions or objects. I think in LaToya's book, he once even used the term "cakes" for women. We all know he's always playing it safe with his image by using ambiguous terms. Making a statement like "there's some nice looking girl over there" is probably too obvious. Also, we all know that Michael is a gentleman and is respectful of women, men and children.

Also, when someone undergoes a break-up, don't people always say "there's more fish in the sea" Shouldn't we be offended by that? We can't take things too seriously sometimes.

[Edited 9/25/10 12:03pm]

I remember Karen Faye talking about Mike using the the term "Fishing" to describe I guess looking at or for women!

All of this. I wasn't offended. Off all the things he COULD have said, fish and titties was mild... maybe a bit unexpected coming from Michael but I mean we weren't with him 24/7, so none of us really know how he referred to women when the cameras weren't on. I thought it was funny... it made him more REAL.

And I have no doubt that he was still respectful towards women.

AnaisKarim said:

JoeTyler said:

I've been recently listening to Dangeous again and I have to say it one more friggin' time: it's a f*ckin' masterpiece!!!!

for me, this is the last time he was TRULY focused AND "happy" (no trials, no scandals, nothing): with the help/guidance of Teddy, he delivered a hip album full of "OK I'm gonna fuckin' kick your ass" dance jams like Jam, She Drives Me Wild (lost classic), Why U Wanna Trip On Me or the title-track; sensual R&B like In the Closet, Give It To Me, Remember the Time or Who Is It; one perfect pop single (BorW) and a string of epics (Heal the World, Will You Be There, Gone Too Soon, Keep the Faith)...

Such a shame that this album went kind of unnoticed (despite the high sales) because of the rise of grunge and shit. It's in my top20 of best albums of the 90s, that's for sure . The end of Michael's golden era, everything went downhill after this...

I love Dangerous, but Invincible is my favorite of his albums.

Dangerous FTW! I think the collaboration with Teddy produced some if his BEST work, besides the stuff he did with Quincy.

I've said that often, I call this the last happy time, before everything went to shit.

mozfonky said:

WaterInYourBath said:

"Boobies" is more like a little boy term, that's why I thought it would have been comical coming from Michael. I don't think people would be as shocked if he had said that instead of "titties." You hear men of all ages using "titties" in the US all the time, so it's not cute, and that lack of cuteness when hearing Mike say that word is what I think is shocking some fans, lol.

it's guy talk goddamit, not meant for public consumption. I think "I wanna lick your pussy" when I'm communicating to women, of course I don't say that but it's what i wanna do. Whatcha gonna do arrest me for what's in my mind? Don't worry all you dingbats, someday you won't personally have to worry about any man wanting you, your beauty is fleeting and if you're a nag that'll be all that's left.

Nothing in your response has anything to do with Michael Jackson, what he said in that limo, or anything anyone else has posted here about the footage. And what's with the dingbat and beauty retorts? If your ignorant words in this post are any indication of what you're like.....Nah, nevermind. Not going there in this thread.

jaybendy said:

AnaisKarim said:

I love Dangerous, but Invincible is my favorite of his albums.

Dangerous FTW! I think the collaboration with Teddy produced some if his BEST work, besides the stuff he did with Quincy.

I've said that often, I call this the last happy time, before everything went to shit.

many say that HIStory still could be considered as a "classic/happy" time for Michael, but hell, I remember when it came out in 1995, it was a BAD year: people bitching about the high price of the double album, about how fuckin' vain he was, about the "low" quality of many of his new songs, about the whole "he's now white cuz he hates his own breed" scandal , about the first 1993 child scandal, about the "phony" marriage with Presley, about the "antisemitism" of TDCAU, etc, etc. SHIT, 1995-96 WAS NOT A HAPPY TIME , despite the success of You're Not Alone & Scream...I think this was the time when the media and the mainstream masses made him bitter and neurotic...

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WaterInYourBath said:

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Now that is beautiful...cheered me up

jaybendy said:

AnaisKarim said:

I love Dangerous, but Invincible is my favorite of his albums.

Dangerous FTW! I think the collaboration with Teddy produced some if his BEST work, besides the stuff he did with Quincy.

I've said that often, I call this the last happy time, before everything went to shit.

That's accurate.

Vanilli said:

EmeraldSkies said:

All I can say is EmeraldSkies and bboy..I love you guys. That post and response made my night.

And hey, while were at it, can we get Michael Jackson gummy bears? Basically all the shapes from the monopoly idea and of course add to it..bubbles.

Can someone get John Branca on this thread ASAP? Thanks!

JoeTyler said:

jaybendy said:

Dangerous FTW! I think the collaboration with Teddy produced some if his BEST work, besides the stuff he did with Quincy.

I've said that often, I call this the last happy time, before everything went to shit.

many say that HIStory still could be considered as a "classic/happy" time for Michael, but hell, I remember when it came out in 1995, it was a BAD year: people bitching about the high price of the double album, about how fuckin' vain he was, about the "low" quality of many of his new songs, about the whole "he's now white cuz he hates his own breed" scandal , about the first 1993 child scandal, about the "phony" marriage with Presley, about the "antisemitism" of TDCAU, etc, etc. SHIT, 1995-96 WAS NOT A HAPPY TIME , despite the success of You're Not Alone & Scream...I think this was the time when the media and the mainstream masses made him bitter and neurotic...

I'd never say that about History, he was so full of anger then. A friend and I sometimes get so angry thinking about all the wonderful music he could have created had he not gone thru the things he did in court with the family who shall remain nameless and the media.

I remember my dad bought it for me as a gift when it was released and I played the greatest hits CD more than the other one.. I didn't like this Michael. Of course I revisited it after he died and realized that was why I didn't listen to it all these years. He was angry. I didn't like angry Michael, but I understand it now. How he managed to keeep going for so long after all of that and THEN the trial, is beyond me. My ass woulda crumbled long ago. He put up a strong fight for as long as he could.

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dag said:

Prince is helping Children Hunger Fund. How sweet.

way to go Prince! Your Dad would be so proud.

EmeraldSkies said:

Vanilli said:

All I can say is EmeraldSkies and bboy..I love you guys. That post and response made my night.

And hey, while were at it, can we get Michael Jackson gummy bears? Basically all the shapes from the monopoly idea and of course add to it..bubbles.

Can someone get John Branca on this thread ASAP? Thanks!

Branca & dem are killing me with the video games tho. I'm down with the cirque show and all that, and I'm still undecided on wether or not I'm gonna purchase this new CD/DVD whatever cause I'm still sour about Sony, and I'm over the damn moon that they are finally gonna release Bad Tour after all this time, but the video games??? Too much. Too. Much.

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WaterInYourBath said:

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My Beautiful Mikey. Long Live The King.