mozfonky said:

Unholyalliance said:

BAH. I was there for that thing and I think that out of everyone's presentation, his was the fucking worst. His paper was superfluous and lacked any real research. During his Q&A he revealed that most of his 'research' came from 'Michael Jackson: The Magic and the Madness'. So while stumbling throughout the Q&A, Mr.Tate later blurted out 'He [MJ] was broke" and never went into detail why that might have been. (Someone else did later on that day though.) Also, when asked if he would do anything on MJ's music he was like "I'm doing a book on James Brown." Like, yeah thanks, I like James Brown too, but no one asked you that. All in all, he didn't seem to be that interested in the subject of the symposium. Later on he also said "You know, no one was too thrilled with his later works."

=/

I ran into the dude later, but we got into an unrelated discussion so that I wouldn't be compelled to tell him how disappointed I was with his presentation. If you can't be bothered then why even agree in the first place? For publicity? It's not as if you were writing a book, then I can understand being pressed for time. There were some really other great, informative, presentations done during the day, but this one gets any weight simply because it's Greg Tate.

The only thing that anyone even remembered from was the 'Killer Mike' part as it was repeated quite often throughout the symposium. That was the only thing that stuck out from his presentation, for me also. Probably because he repeated it so often.

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wow, that's the second top black journalist to really fail when it comes to michael analysis, the first being Nelson George's book. I don't know, maybe they rush things, and of course, because they are black, they get asked to do stuff like this. This is still early in the game though folks. when elvis died, it took a full 3 years for a decent perspective to come out on his life, a 3 years incidentally, which were rife with books by Hackjob conmen, ex-bodyguards and rumours of how bad things were with Elvis in the end. The junk will come first if Elvis' post-death ruminations are any indication, then we will really start to get to the nitty gritty.

Jackson’s drummer and close friend of 30 years Jonathan Moffett has revealed Jackson planned to take his ill-fated This Is It tour around the world with Australia, and Melbourne, part of his plans.

While the sadness that he never made it here seems almost inconsequential measured against the loss of the man himself, there is joy in the revelation that he did plan to visit us again

Thanks for posting MyLuv - I hadn't seen this article

kibbles said:

mozfonky said:

wow, that's the second top black journalist to really fail when it comes to michael analysis, the first being Nelson George's book. I don't know, maybe they rush things, and of course, because they are black, they get asked to do stuff like this. This is still early in the game though folks. when elvis died, it took a full 3 years for a decent perspective to come out on his life, a 3 years incidentally, which were rife with books by Hackjob conmen, ex-bodyguards and rumours of how bad things were with Elvis in the end. The junk will come first if Elvis' post-death ruminations are any indication, then we will really start to get to the nitty gritty.

yeah, i sort of remember when mj first hit big with thriller, nelson george was one of the first black journalist's out the gate to capitalize on him. it was quickly forgotten and it seems it's been re-released with supposedly new stuff, but just as rife with mistakes and errors. i think you're right. when elvis first died, there were all these books by so-called insiders - hangers on - and of course, the infamous one by albert goldman. all the die-hard rumors about elvis can basically be traced back to that book. peter guralnick (sp?) was the first serious journalist to put elvis in perspective. hopefully, someone will do the same for mj.

Nelson's first book had errors in it as well, like stating Michael's birthday was August 29, 1960

Lisa Marie's appearing on Oprah October 6th.

Episode Detail: For the First Time Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About the Death of Ex-Husband Michael Jackson

Lisa Marie Presley discusses the death of Michael Jackson, reflects on her marriage to the King of Pop, and explores parallels between Jackson and her father, Elvis Presley.

bboy87 said:

kibbles said:

yeah, i sort of remember when mj first hit big with thriller, nelson george was one of the first black journalist's out the gate to capitalize on him. it was quickly forgotten and it seems it's been re-released with supposedly new stuff, but just as rife with mistakes and errors. i think you're right. when elvis first died, there were all these books by so-called insiders - hangers on - and of course, the infamous one by albert goldman. all the die-hard rumors about elvis can basically be traced back to that book. peter guralnick (sp?) was the first serious journalist to put elvis in perspective. hopefully, someone will do the same for mj.

Nelson's first book had errors in it as well, like stating Michael's birthday was August 29, 1960

oh, didn't know that, I know a book can be lots of detailed work but if you're a pro you should get it right. I don't think there has yet been a really good book on Michael. Prince has had a couple, though not perfect, were very good, Poplife was excellent, the one by Jon Bream was ok and of course Per Nilsen. Michael has a million tabloid books about him, unfortunately, unlike Elvis who had top notch writers like Dave Marsh, Greil Marcus and Peter Guralnick, Michael (who is hated by most of these Elvis writers, in my opinion, because he's the chief rival for Elvis' fame)has no one to do that for him. It's gonna take a minute, maybe Dyson could do him justice, and I'm sure Spike Lee can do a superb documentary on him.

everyday i shake my head that this is not on dvd or blu ray yet

mookie said:

Lisa Marie's appearing on Oprah October 6th.

Episode Detail: For the First Time Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About the Death of Ex-Husband Michael Jackson

Lisa Marie Presley discusses the death of Michael Jackson, reflects on her marriage to the King of Pop, and explores parallels between Jackson and her father, Elvis Presley.

I wonder why she feels the need to discuss this with the world since she kept saying she didn´t like to talk about him. She better say some good stuff.

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mimi07 said:

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Aw, he´s so cute.

mozfonky said:

bboy87 said:

Nelson's first book had errors in it as well, like stating Michael's birthday was August 29, 1960

oh, didn't know that, I know a book can be lots of detailed work but if you're a pro you should get it right. I don't think there has yet been a really good book on Michael. Prince has had a couple, though not perfect, were very good, Poplife was excellent, the one by Jon Bream was ok and of course Per Nilsen. Michael has a million tabloid books about him, unfortunately, unlike Elvis who had top notch writers like Dave Marsh, Greil Marcus and Peter Guralnick, Michael (who is hated by most of these Elvis writers, in my opinion, because he's the chief rival for Elvis' fame)has no one to do that for him. It's gonna take a minute, maybe Dyson could do him justice, and I'm sure Spike Lee can do a superb documentary on him.

When it comes to books about Michael, there's only about 2 or 3 books I recommend

-For The Record by Chris Cadman and Craig Halstead (but I'm biased on this one for several reasons )

-Dancing The Dream

-Moonwalk

the latter 2 simply because it's Michael's own words and although Moonwalk isn't a flaws and all autobiography, it's a good read for new fans. Dancing The Dream makes you appreciate him as an artist and writer.

but you're right, there haven't been any books that really went into detail about his music AND life and for a person who had such a fascinating life, it's a shame.

I'd also love to see a documentary (I'd love to work on one about Michael and one about Prince). I'm in no rush to see a biopic though

bboy87 said:

mozfonky said:

oh, didn't know that, I know a book can be lots of detailed work but if you're a pro you should get it right. I don't think there has yet been a really good book on Michael. Prince has had a couple, though not perfect, were very good, Poplife was excellent, the one by Jon Bream was ok and of course Per Nilsen. Michael has a million tabloid books about him, unfortunately, unlike Elvis who had top notch writers like Dave Marsh, Greil Marcus and Peter Guralnick, Michael (who is hated by most of these Elvis writers, in my opinion, because he's the chief rival for Elvis' fame)has no one to do that for him. It's gonna take a minute, maybe Dyson could do him justice, and I'm sure Spike Lee can do a superb documentary on him.

When it comes to books about Michael, there's only about 2 or 3 books I recommend

-For The Record by Chris Cadman and Craig Halstead (but I'm biased on this one for several reasons )

-Dancing The Dream

-Moonwalk

the latter 2 simply because it's Michael's own words and although Moonwalk isn't a flaws and all autobiography, it's a good read for new fans. Dancing The Dream makes you appreciate him as an artist and writer.

but you're right, there haven't been any books that really went into detail about his music AND life and for a person who had such a fascinating life, it's a shame.

I'd also love to see a documentary (I'd love to work on one about Michael and one about Prince). I'm in no rush to see a biopic though

Didn't ever see Dancing The dream, don't know if it's goor or what. But then, i just shut off looking real close at Mike bios because most of them are trash. Mike's own book was just ok in my opinion, and of course he was only 29 or 30 at that point. I too would love to work on either books or docu's of P or Mike. No resources though. I've often said that Prince would be looked at similar to Duke Ellington in his final years, as a treasure who would not be around much longer. Duke had some good docus in his final years and worldwide respect, prince will be there too.

mozfonky said:

bboy87 said:

When it comes to books about Michael, there's only about 2 or 3 books I recommend

-For The Record by Chris Cadman and Craig Halstead (but I'm biased on this one for several reasons )

-Dancing The Dream

-Moonwalk

the latter 2 simply because it's Michael's own words and although Moonwalk isn't a flaws and all autobiography, it's a good read for new fans. Dancing The Dream makes you appreciate him as an artist and writer.

but you're right, there haven't been any books that really went into detail about his music AND life and for a person who had such a fascinating life, it's a shame.

I'd also love to see a documentary (I'd love to work on one about Michael and one about Prince). I'm in no rush to see a biopic though

Didn't ever see Dancing The dream, don't know if it's goor or what. But then, i just shut off looking real close at Mike bios because most of them are trash. Mike's own book was just ok in my opinion, and of course he was only 29 or 30 at that point. I too would love to work on either books or docu's of P or Mike. No resources though. I've often said that Prince would be looked at similar to Duke Ellington in his final years, as a treasure who would not be around much longer. Duke had some good docus in his final years and worldwide respect, prince will be there too.

You need to get Dancing the Dream. It´s one of the best things Mike´s ever done. It shows you his soul, the way he saw the world, his opinions. If you love Mike´s wisdom and philosophy, you´re gonna love it. I personally have always loved reading his interveiws, essays and stuff like that. I love the way he viewed the world.

mookie said:

Lisa Marie's appearing on Oprah October 6th.

Episode Detail: For the First Time Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About the Death of Ex-Husband Michael Jackson

Lisa Marie Presley discusses the death of Michael Jackson, reflects on her marriage to the King of Pop, and explores parallels between Jackson and her father, Elvis Presley.

oh boy....

mozfonky said:

bboy87 said:

When it comes to books about Michael, there's only about 2 or 3 books I recommend

-For The Record by Chris Cadman and Craig Halstead (but I'm biased on this one for several reasons )

-Dancing The Dream

-Moonwalk

the latter 2 simply because it's Michael's own words and although Moonwalk isn't a flaws and all autobiography, it's a good read for new fans. Dancing The Dream makes you appreciate him as an artist and writer.

but you're right, there haven't been any books that really went into detail about his music AND life and for a person who had such a fascinating life, it's a shame.

I'd also love to see a documentary (I'd love to work on one about Michael and one about Prince). I'm in no rush to see a biopic though

Didn't ever see Dancing The dream, don't know if it's goor or what. But then, i just shut off looking real close at Mike bios because most of them are trash. Mike's own book was just ok in my opinion, and of course he was only 29 or 30 at that point. I too would love to work on either books or docu's of P or Mike. No resources though. I've often said that Prince would be looked at similar to Duke Ellington in his final years, as a treasure who would not be around much longer. Duke had some good docus in his final years and worldwide respect, prince will be there too.

I'll look for a PDF of it and I'll send it to you It's my favorite book on Michael aside from For The Record

I have the resources to do one when it comes to research material, but financially? NOPE

My buddies who worked on For The Record worked on it for nearly 3 or 4 years until they felt it was right for releasing

A little kid after my own heart. Rocking out to MJ in the backseat

and wearing a Batman shirt. It doesn't get more precious then this.

Vanilli said:

A little kid after my own heart. Rocking out to MJ in the backseat

and wearing a Batman shirt. It doesn't get more precious then this.

you beat me to it! I was just going to post this. That kid is so cute.

mookie said:

Lisa Marie's appearing on Oprah October 6th.

Episode Detail: For the First Time Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About the Death of Ex-Husband Michael Jackson

Lisa Marie Presley discusses the death of Michael Jackson, reflects on her marriage to the King of Pop, and explores parallels between Jackson and her father, Elvis Presley.

Shita marie ... Just fuck off

This picture never gets old.

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dag said:

mookie said:

Lisa Marie's appearing on Oprah October 6th.

Episode Detail: For the First Time Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About the Death of Ex-Husband Michael Jackson

Lisa Marie Presley discusses the death of Michael Jackson, reflects on her marriage to the King of Pop, and explores parallels between Jackson and her father, Elvis Presley.

I wonder why she feels the need to discuss this with the world since she kept saying she didn´t like to talk about him. She better say some good stuff.

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i believe she has an album coming out. you know, just like she did a few years back when she made the rounds on all the talk shows, incl oprah, denigrating mj. she supposedly left something at mj's tomb talking about her 'eternal love' for him. she saw this interview in the offing several months ago; she was laying groundwork even then. like most everyone else who had deserted mj in his last years, she will be there to engage in their self-serving revisionist history about him.

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kibbles said:

dag said:

I wonder why she feels the need to discuss this with the world since she kept saying she didn´t like to talk about him. She better say some good stuff.

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i believe she has an album coming out. you know, just like she did a few years back when she made the rounds on all the talk shows, incl oprah, denigrating mj. she supposedly left something at mj's tomb talking about her 'eternal love' for him. she saw this interview in the offing several months ago; she was laying groundwork even then. like most everyone else who had deserted mj in his last years, she will be there to engage in their self-serving revisionist history about him.

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And that´s what I worry about. If she´s gonna compare him to Elvis making him some drug addict, than I won´t be happy about that. I´ve heard she´s working on a new album, but I don´t think it´s gonna be released that soon.

bboy87 said:

mozfonky said:

Didn't ever see Dancing The dream, don't know if it's goor or what. But then, i just shut off looking real close at Mike bios because most of them are trash. Mike's own book was just ok in my opinion, and of course he was only 29 or 30 at that point. I too would love to work on either books or docu's of P or Mike. No resources though. I've often said that Prince would be looked at similar to Duke Ellington in his final years, as a treasure who would not be around much longer. Duke had some good docus in his final years and worldwide respect, prince will be there too.

I'll look for a PDF of it and I'll send it to you It's my favorite book on Michael aside from For The Record

I have the resources to do one when it comes to research material, but financially? NOPE

My buddies who worked on For The Record worked on it for nearly 3 or 4 years until they felt it was right for releasing

Would you send me one too please?

mookie said:

Lisa Marie's appearing on Oprah October 6th.

Episode Detail: For the First Time Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About the Death of Ex-Husband Michael Jackson

Lisa Marie Presley discusses the death of Michael Jackson, reflects on her marriage to the King of Pop, and explores parallels between Jackson and her father, Elvis Presley.

I'm really wondering why this is necessary. Is she coming out with an album? What is she promoting this time other than her personal life? The last time she had an album out, she barely discussed her career and spent the entire time seeking redemption for the world and letting them know that she made a mistake marrying Michael, he manipulated her and that she's stronger now (she left out the part of her chasing him around the world). I didn't like how she continued to criticize him all the way up to 2008 and calling him the biggest mistake of her life. I think I would have more respect for her if she didn't parade her less-than-two-year marriage. I can already guess Oprah's question, "are you surprised that he died? how often do you think he did drugs?"

And it's not the first time she's spoken about Michael's death.. she talked about it in interviews, her blog.. I think Oprah is desperate for some ratings.

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MyLuv229 said:

mookie said:

Lisa Marie's appearing on Oprah October 6th.

Episode Detail: For the First Time Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About the Death of Ex-Husband Michael Jackson

Lisa Marie Presley discusses the death of Michael Jackson, reflects on her marriage to the King of Pop, and explores parallels between Jackson and her father, Elvis Presley.

I'm really wondering why this is necessary. Is she coming out with an album? What is she promoting this time other than her personal life? The last time she had an album out, she barely discussed her career and spent the entire time seeking redemption for the world and letting them know that she made a mistake marrying Michael, he manipulated her and that she's stronger now (she left out the part of her chasing him around the world). I didn't like how she continued to criticize him all the way up to 2008 and calling him the biggest mistake of her life. I think I would have more respect for her if she didn't parade her less-than-two-year marriage. I can already guess Oprah's question, "are you surprised that he died? how often do you think he did drugs?"

And it's not the first time she's spoken about Michael's death.. she talked about it in interviews, her blog.. I think Oprah is desperate for some ratings.

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You forgot one question: "Did you really have sex?" Pretending she´s never heard her answer that question.

Barbados terminally ill prime minister inspired by michael jackson

MyLuv229 said:

mookie said:

Lisa Marie's appearing on Oprah October 6th.

Episode Detail: For the First Time Lisa Marie Presley Speaks Out About the Death of Ex-Husband Michael Jackson

Lisa Marie Presley discusses the death of Michael Jackson, reflects on her marriage to the King of Pop, and explores parallels between Jackson and her father, Elvis Presley.

I'm really wondering why this is necessary. Is she coming out with an album? What is she promoting this time other than her personal life? The last time she had an album out, she barely discussed her career and spent the entire time seeking redemption for the world and letting them know that she made a mistake marrying Michael, he manipulated her and that she's stronger now (she left out the part of her chasing him around the world). I didn't like how she continued to criticize him all the way up to 2008 and calling him the biggest mistake of her life. I think I would have more respect for her if she didn't parade her less-than-two-year marriage. I can already guess Oprah's question, "are you surprised that he died? how often do you think he did drugs?"

And it's not the first time she's spoken about Michael's death.. she talked about it in interviews, her blog.. I think Oprah is desperate for some ratings.

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yep. when ike turner died, the press was clamouring for tina to give some statement about him and she basically refused, stating that ike wasn't a part of her life anymore and she had no reason to comment about him (or words to that effect). if lisa is convinced mj was nothing to her but a mistake, why even talk about him? why continue to give him the spotlight? she doesn't talk about her father as much as she talks about mj.

if she does talk about mj and drugs, someone will post her interview with sawyer in which she denies that she ever saw mj taking drugs.

HAPPYPERSON said:

Barbados terminally ill prime minister inspired by michael jackson

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Today is another sad day. I am from Barbados and we just learned that our Prime Minister has pancreatic cancer, one of the worst and only 5% survival. He has been away from office since March and everybody wondered what was wrong with him, he is only 47 years old. He made a recorded public speech to our Nation and their was a section at the end that just made me cry my eyes out all over again. It went like this:

"If we can unite first and foremost as sons and daughters of these fields and hills we call our very own, nothing will hold us back. We did it in the 60s and 70s, and we make no wanton boast of what we can achieve.

"Michael Jackson of late memory reminded us in his song WE ARE THE WORLD that change will only come when we stand together as one. In his seminal work he wrote:

"There comes a time when we heed a certain call, when the world must come together as one. There are people dying, and it's time to lend a hand to life; the greatest gift of all.
"We can't go on, pretending day by day, that someone, somewhere will soon make a change. We are all a part, of God's great big family, and the truth, you know,
love is all we need."

That's me fondest wish for Barbadians. That we use adversity to reforcus our energies on what's best for Barbados and that we wrap our actions and our utterances in the national flag and the furtherance of this great nation we call home. That's my challenge to you. UNITE AND LOVE

This is coming from our dying Prime Minister and whom would he quote none other than Michael J. Jackson.

Its a sad day for Barbados.

Thats sweet!

dag said:

MyLuv229 said:

I'm really wondering why this is necessary. Is she coming out with an album? What is she promoting this time other than her personal life? The last time she had an album out, she barely discussed her career and spent the entire time seeking redemption for the world and letting them know that she made a mistake marrying Michael, he manipulated her and that she's stronger now (she left out the part of her chasing him around the world). I didn't like how she continued to criticize him all the way up to 2008 and calling him the biggest mistake of her life. I think I would have more respect for her if she didn't parade her less-than-two-year marriage. I can already guess Oprah's question, "are you surprised that he died? how often do you think he did drugs?"

And it's not the first time she's spoken about Michael's death.. she talked about it in interviews, her blog.. I think Oprah is desperate for some ratings.

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You forgot one question: "Did you really have sex?" Pretending she´s never heard her answer that question.

You know what's funny... LMP did two interviews on Oprah and that question was asked and answered TWICE Who are both of them kidding?

MyLuv229 said:

dag said:

You forgot one question: "Did you really have sex?" Pretending she´s never heard her answer that question.

You know what's funny... LMP did two interviews on Oprah and that question was asked and answered TWICE Who are both of them kidding?

Wait, I remember Oprah asking her that just once, when Priscilla was there as well. Can´t remember the other two, but I still expect her to ask her that.

This is so cute and funny

"Hi, I'm Michael Jackson of the Jacksons"

I'm convinced Lisa Marie, Priscilla and Oprah are having a three-way fuck fest. No way could Lisa Marie not suck Oprah's clit so much that she'll be on the show three times in relation to her daddy and Michael. She also sounds much like her mother, first calling her relationship with her famous husband scary, then saying they loved each other. Like mother, like daughter I guess.