What do y'all think? I'm not loving it if the twelve inch is destroyed. Especially if you consider how limited they are. But I do love the fact that Jack is messing around with vinyl so much. That makes me quite happy.

Spinner story on triple d...ues single

The demonstration video...

that's some good jerk-off material for vinyl geeks, but other than that, what's the point?

it reminds me of the die-cut, embossed foil, hologram covers that toppled the comic book industry. if you want to be geeky.

So once you crack the 12", you can't play it anymore?

uhm, ok...

*Walks In*

*Looks around*

*Shouts*

"Lossless"

*Leaves*

errant said:

that's some good jerk-off material for vinyl geeks, but other than that, what's the point?

it reminds me of the die-cut, embossed foil, hologram covers that toppled the comic book industry. if you want to be geeky.

Except these are REALLY limited, not fakey limited. He's been doing the limited vinyl out of his shop for quite a while now. I'm cool with that. I'd do the same thing if I had multiple succesful bands and my own record store with a pressing plant in the back. But the "what's the point" part comes into play for me if you 12" is destroyed in the process. I guess you could just leave the 7" in there.

sextonseven said:

So once you crack the 12", you can't play it anymore?

I don't know. Can't figure that out. It looks like the one Jack cracks open breaks across the groove - so no more playing that side. But maybe it's got the same track on both sides. Dunno. Either way, it looks like you could get it out of their without breaking the record if you were careful. I know I'd never put the 7" back in once I got it out. It's one wacky idea for sure.

EmbattledWarrior said:

*Walks In*

*Looks around*

*Shouts*

"Lossless"

*Leaves*

Here's an echo of....

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

Besides that, vinyl isn't going anywhere. Vinyl sales have been going up for the last several years. As long as there are people walking the Earth there will be people buying wax. CDs, not so much.

Cerebus said:

errant said:

that's some good jerk-off material for vinyl geeks, but other than that, what's the point?

it reminds me of the die-cut, embossed foil, hologram covers that toppled the comic book industry. if you want to be geeky.

Except these are REALLY limited, not fakey limited. He's been doing the limited vinyl out of his shop for quite a while now. I'm cool with that. I'd do the same thing if I had multiple succesful bands and my own record store with a pressing plant in the back. But the "what's the point" part comes into play for me if you 12" is destroyed in the process. I guess you could just leave the 7" in there.

if the 12" is really destroyed, then the fakey-limited part is that everyone will have to buy 2! very pre-poly-bagged-collectible-character-card-inside of him!

errant said:

Cerebus said:

Except these are REALLY limited, not fakey limited. He's been doing the limited vinyl out of his shop for quite a while now. I'm cool with that. I'd do the same thing if I had multiple succesful bands and my own record store with a pressing plant in the back. But the "what's the point" part comes into play for me if you 12" is destroyed in the process. I guess you could just leave the 7" in there.

if the 12" is really destroyed, then the fakey-limited part is that everyone will have to buy 2! very pre-poly-bagged-collectible-character-card-inside of him!

But nobody will get two! There's only 300 of them, only 200 going out to Mom and Pop shops, 100 being done by random mail order from the shop where they're pressed. I think the extremely small number being pressed kind of shows that they know it's silly. But it's silly fun, and the 7" DOES have an unreleased song. So 300 people will get a Dead Weather 7" with a previously unreleased song. No harm, no foul. I still think you could CAREFULLY remove he 7" and keep both, though... maybe.

i am liking the dirty sounds of Dead Weather the more I listen.

Cerebus said:

errant said:

if the 12" is really destroyed, then the fakey-limited part is that everyone will have to buy 2! very pre-poly-bagged-collectible-character-card-inside of him!

But nobody will get two! There's only 300 of them, only 200 going out to Mom and Pop shops, 100 being done by random mail order from the shop where they're pressed. I think the extremely small number being pressed kind of shows that they know it's silly. But it's silly fun, and the 7" DOES have an unreleased song. So 300 people will get a Dead Weather 7" with a previously unreleased song. No harm, no foul. I still think you could CAREFULLY remove he 7" and keep both, though... maybe.

oh, please, needing 2 copies will cause a run on them and a month later, they'll say "we could never have guessed how high the demand for this would be, so we're going back for another print"

like i said, it's all very early 90's Marvel/DC to me

errant said:

Cerebus said:

But nobody will get two! There's only 300 of them, only 200 going out to Mom and Pop shops, 100 being done by random mail order from the shop where they're pressed. I think the extremely small number being pressed kind of shows that they know it's silly. But it's silly fun, and the 7" DOES have an unreleased song. So 300 people will get a Dead Weather 7" with a previously unreleased song. No harm, no foul. I still think you could CAREFULLY remove he 7" and keep both, though... maybe.

oh, please, needing 2 copies will cause a run on them and a month later, they'll say "we could never have guessed how high the demand for this would be, so we're going back for another print"

like i said, it's all very early 90's Marvel/DC to me

Nah dude. There won't be any more and there won't be a run, because they'll be sold out and gone forever in a couple days. They do these kind of small pressings all the time. I'm pretty sure they won't sell anybody two copies, either.

Cerebus said:

errant said:

oh, please, needing 2 copies will cause a run on them and a month later, they'll say "we could never have guessed how high the demand for this would be, so we're going back for another print"

like i said, it's all very early 90's Marvel/DC to me

Nah dude. There won't be any more and there won't be a run, because they'll be sold out and gone forever in a couple days. They do these kind of small pressings all the time. I'm pretty sure they won't sell anybody two copies, either.

ok

Cerebus said:

EmbattledWarrior said:

*Walks In*

*Looks around*

*Shouts*

"Lossless"

*Leaves*

Here's an echo of....

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

Besides that, vinyl isn't going anywhere. Vinyl sales have been going up for the last several years. As long as there are people walking the Earth there will be people buying wax. CDs, not so much.

2 TB

nuff said

EmbattledWarrior said:

Cerebus said:

Here's an echo of....

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

They're too big and unwieldy for most people's hard drives still...

Besides that, vinyl isn't going anywhere. Vinyl sales have been going up for the last several years. As long as there are people walking the Earth there will be people buying wax. CDs, not so much.

2 TB

nuff said

I have 6.5 TB of external HDs - if everything was lossless I would need four times that.

As kids, my Dad use to play a horse race 78 that had about 6 different outcomes each time you played it. It changed everything you played the record (as I said, I remember about 6 different outcomes to the race, and it was completely random). Pretty clever stuff for what, the 1940's.

Monty Python did something similar on an LP they did. Now thats more interesting then what Jack White is currently doing LOL

[Edited 9/16/10 18:02pm]

thesexofit said:

As kids, my Dad use to play a horse race 78 that had about 6 different outcomes each time you played it. It changed everything you played the record (as I said, I remember about 6 different outcomes to the race, and it was completely random). Pretty clever stuff for what, the 1940's.

Monty Python did something similar on an LP they did. Now thats more interesting then what Jack White is currently doing LOL

[Edited 9/16/10 18:02pm]

When I first saw the thread title, it reminded me of De La Soul's triple-sided 12" for "Me Myself & I". One side had different songs on alternating grooves so depending on where you dropped your needle, you heard a different song. That sounds like what that horse race 78 you described was.

sextonseven said:

thesexofit said:

As kids, my Dad use to play a horse race 78 that had about 6 different outcomes each time you played it. It changed everything you played the record (as I said, I remember about 6 different outcomes to the race, and it was completely random). Pretty clever stuff for what, the 1940's.

Monty Python did something similar on an LP they did. Now thats more interesting then what Jack White is currently doing LOL

[Edited 9/16/10 18:02pm]

When I first saw the thread title, it reminded me of De La Soul's triple-sided 12" for "Me Myself & I". One side had different songs on alternating grooves so depending on where you dropped your needle, you heard a different song. That sounds like what that horse race 78 you described was.

Yeah, its all to do with the grooves. In the 78's case, you just dropped the needle at the beginning as you usually would and that was it.

The Monty Python one had different sketches everytime you played it too. Not sure how many different "outcomes" there were, but it musta been kinda cool (and annoying if you wanted to tape a certain sketch and different ones kept coming up everytime LOL)

Cerebus said:

EmbattledWarrior said:

2 TB

nuff said

I have 6.5 TB of external HDs - if everything was lossless I would need four times that.

depends on how much you have...

and if you want quality, those are the lengths

Unless you can get your hands on the master Wave/aiff files.

Ever listen to rubber soul on Lossless?

you can hear George Martin weezing in the background, thats how good it is

Vinyl is a thing of the past, along with bellbottoms and Rhiana

EmbattledWarrior said:

Cerebus said:

I have 6.5 TB of external HDs - if everything was lossless I would need four times that.

depends on how much you have...

and if you want quality, those are the lengths

Unless you can get your hands on the master Wave/aiff files.

Ever listen to rubber soul on Lossless?

you can hear George Martin weezing in the background, thats how good it is

Vinyl is a thing of the past, along with bellbottoms and Rhiana

I'm sorry but you're just totally wrong on that point and it has nothing to do with discussing lossless. CDs are a things of the past. MP3s may end up being a thing of the past. Vinyl is not only still around, it's growing. There are more jazz, electronic and small indie rock labels releasing on vinyl right now than anytime since the CD became popular. A majority of major label releases also see a small run on vinyl.

Also, look into what high end systems (amps, turntbles, eq, speakers, etc) cost and what they're capable of. Nothing sounds like a nice heavy piece of vinyl played on a high end system. You may prefer the quality of a digital lossless file, but it doens't have the same feeling as the vinyl sound.

Anyway, I really wasn't intending on debating any of that. I collect vinyl and have done so since 1984, so I know I'm right in the saying that it's not going anywhere. I was really just referring to MP3s vs lossless. I still keep a majority of my files as 192 kbps MP3s because, to my ear, they have better bass response and less tin in the high end than 320 kpbs MP3s. Regardless of THAT argument as well, all I was REALLY saying is that if I converted everything I have on MP3 to a lossless format I would need about four times the storage space I have now. An amount I already think is completely ridiculous in comparison to when I was completely stoked to have 12 whole GB on my PC HD.

Cerebus said:

EmbattledWarrior said:

depends on how much you have...

and if you want quality, those are the lengths

Unless you can get your hands on the master Wave/aiff files.

Ever listen to rubber soul on Lossless?

you can hear George Martin weezing in the background, thats how good it is

Vinyl is a thing of the past, along with bellbottoms and Rhiana

I'm sorry but you're just totally wrong on that point and it has nothing to do with discussing lossless. CDs are a things of the past. MP3s may end up being a thing of the past. Vinyl is not only still around, it's growing. There are more jazz, electronic and small indie rock labels releasing on vinyl right now than anytime since the CD became popular. A majority of major label releases also see a small run on vinyl.

Also, look into what high end systems (amps, turntbles, eq, speakers, etc) cost and what they're capable of. Nothing sounds like a nice heavy piece of vinyl played on a high end system. You may prefer the quality of a digital lossless file, but it doens't have the same feeling as the vinyl sound.

if the music is recorded digitally in the first place, and most of it these days is, are you really getting anything extra sound out of an analog stereo system that isn't artificial?