midiscover said:

LiveToTell86 said:

Excuse me? "Just above" 30 million because he listed 30.5 million, not because it's a LOT more like what you suggested.

In what countries did Control, RN, janet. and TVR sell 60 million? Only janet. reached 15 million, TVR sold less than 10 and Control might just broke 10. Even 50 million seems to be inflated for these.

Like I said, the rest of her albums add 6-7 million at most, so even if I go with your 65 million, then it's still not "more than 75 million" in terms of album sales, don't you get it?

Her total singles between 40-50 million? How exactly? She only had a couple of big worldwide hits, like "That's The Way Love Goes", "Together Again", "Whoops Now" or "All For You", it's not like every Janet single reached a million worldwide, the Rhythm Nation singles didn't even crack the UK top 10. DVD and remix sales surely don't add up to millions either.

According to you: 60-65 million of the 4 big albums + 40-50 million singles , which means + 25-30 million of "everything else", including her first 2 and last 5 albums that sold peanuts and DVD sales? I'm not even convinced you believe that yourself!

LMFAO!! You're so pressed! I love how you're decreasing her album sales. Correction - janet. sold 20 million ww. Control sold more than 14 million and TVR sold 10 million.

How exactly? because it did and you will deal.

"DVD and remix sales surely don't add up to millions either" Assumptions. It does equate to a million and more.

Poor Vadge fan still pressed over Janet.

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midiscover said:

Hilarious when people try to downplay Janet's achievements Her DVD/Video compilations sold 5.5 million in the states and that doesn't include her last two compilations. Her two tour DVDS each sold 1+ million in the states. I mean, let's not be delayed and blinded by her mediocore success of the past few years. She has accomplished a lot and sold wayyyy more than 100 million records worldwide.

and LMAO @ that failed source. You would look up and down and in every corner for a source that deflated her sales.

It's not about downplaying her achievements it's about simple math. This Billboard article (discussing Ms. Jackson, Madonna, Whitney, Mariah, etc.) from last year (9/4/09) outlined where she is in terms of U.S. sales.

http://www.billboard.com/...g=prevartb

^ Hi Bret,

According the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), Janet Jackson ranks at number 11 among solo female artists, with 26 million units certified. (The RIAA's list of all artists is viewable here).

According to Nielsen SoundScan, which began tracking data in 1991, Jackson since that year has sold 19,874,000 albums.

As we've recently analyzed with Carey, Dion, Houston and Madonna, let's run down Janet Jackson's top-sellers since 1991, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

7,010,000, "janet." (1993)
3,229,000, "The Velvet Rope" (1997)
3,107,000, "All for You" (2001)
2,422,000, "Design of a Decade 1986/1996" (1995)
1,377,000, "Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814" (1989)
1,002,000, "Damita Jo" (2004)
655,000, "20 Y.O." (2006)
496,000, "Control" (1986)
446,000, "Discipline" (2008)

Add a platinum certification to "Control" "Rhythm Nation" and "janet." bumping them up to 6x platinum, 7x platinum, and 7x platinum, and a Gold certificate to "Discipline" and the 26 million units is bumped up to 29 million. When combining the sales of her first two releases, "Janet Jackson" & "Dreamstreet", which did less than 300k respectively, we can also add another Gold certificate. Round up and she's done about 30 million in America.

Britney's first two studio albums along with her latest "Circus" are correctly certified. 14x for "Baby One More Time" and 10x for "Oops!...I Did It Again" and 1x for "Circus." "Britney" "In The Zone" and "Blackout" however are all undercertified and need a platinum certification bumping them up to 5x platinum, 3x platinum, and 1x platinum. Add the 1x platinum sales of her first greatest hits "Greatest Hits: My Prerogative" and it adds up to more than 35 million in the U.S.

Aw, sis you did all that work for nothing. The fact remains - Janet sold more than 100 million. Her total record sales is between 130 - 135 million. AND she sold more than Shitney. Deal. with. it.

and that 30 million doesn't even include her single sales. Chile...

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Why does a thread about female singers ALWAYS BECOME A "JANET IS THE BEST" or "MADONNA IS THE QUEEN" thread?

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midiscover said:

Aw, sis you did all that work for nothing. The fact remains - Janet sold more than 100 million. Her total record sales is between 130 - 135 million. AND she sold more than Shitney. Deal. with. it.

and that 30 million doesn't even include her single sales. Chile...

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I never said she didn't cross 100 million. I just said Britney's sold more. It's got nothing to do with taste or opinion. It's a fact that you refuse to accept even though it's right in front of your face. I still love you though.

musicjunky318 said:

midiscover said:

Aw, sis you did all that work for nothing. The fact remains - Janet sold more than 100 million. Her total record sales is between 130 - 135 million. AND she sold more than Shitney. Deal. with. it.

and that 30 million doesn't even include her single sales. Chile...

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I never said she didn't cross 100 million. I just said Britney's sold more. It's got nothing to do with taste or opinion. It's a fact that you refuse to accept even though it's right in front of your face. I still love you though.

Sold more where? Janet sold more worldwide. RIAA ≠ worldwide.

daPrettyman said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Streisand before hagdonna ? How?

Well, Barbara has damn-near 100 albums compared to Madonna 20.

i was gonna say the same thing, when looking at these all-time sales list you have to consider the quantity of albums a certain artist has released. if babs made 60,70 albums and madonna has 20 of course she's gonna have higher sales. thats why i dont get the whole beatles/mj debate, how many more albums has the beattles released compared to mj?

midiscover said:

musicjunky318 said:

I never said she didn't cross 100 million. I just said Britney's sold more. It's got nothing to do with taste or opinion. It's a fact that you refuse to accept even though it's right in front of your face. I still love you though.

Sold more where? Janet sold more worldwide. RIAA ≠ worldwide.

Britney's sold more in America, that's undeniable. There's an official tracking system. There's no clear-cut system that tracks worldwide sale like RIAA but it's been said that she's done over 100 million as well.

musicjunky318 said:

midiscover said:

Sold more where? Janet sold more worldwide. RIAA ≠ worldwide.

Britney's sold more in America, that's undeniable. There's an official tracking system. There's no clear-cut system that tracks worldwide sale like RIAA but it's been said that she's done over 100 million as well.

They sold about the same amount and Janet sold more worldwide.

Her camp recently said this. How the hell did she go from 85 million worldwide to 100 million in just a few years? Her albums aren't even selling like they used to.

lowkey said:

daPrettyman said:

Well, Barbara has damn-near 100 albums compared to Madonna 20.

i was gonna say the same thing, when looking at these all-time sales list you have to consider the quantity of albums a certain artist has released. if babs made 60,70 albums and madonna has 20 of course she's gonna have higher sales. thats why i dont get the whole beatles/mj debate, how many more albums has the beattles released compared to mj?

I look at the Beatles differently than Streisand or Presley though because they had blockbuster success with their albums. Elvis and Barbra are high only because they've release so many records (I believe like over 100 or close to 100 or whateva) but when you look at the actual numbers each did it's not incredible. For instance, I believe Streisand's best selling release only did 5 milion in the U.S.

SEANMAN said:

LMAO! It's crazy how people will STAUNCHLY try to deflate Janet's sales and/or status as an icon. It gets to be sickening after a while. It's obvious that Britney is clearly influenced by Janet, moreso than Madonna, because everything from BritBrit's videos, choreography, photos, stage shows etc SCREAMS Janet wannabe. In fact, Janet's stamp is on most of these younger chicks out today. As far as her record sales go, most of Janet's albums have not even been recertified. If they were, her sales tally would be WAY higher. Janet was also never one to put out an album of new material EVERY year like some of her contemporaries did, often taking three to four years to release in between albums, thus the lower sales. Hell, the RN album alone was the biggest pop album of 1990.

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janet released 5 studio albums and a gh album between 1986-2001, thats ridiculous. she let a lot of her peak years go by without releasing new music.yet she still is one of the most successful female artists.

why are people breaking down only janet's sales, is it really that serious to prove she sold less than whoever? i wonder what janet did to get so much hate

midiscover said:

musicjunky318 said:

Britney's sold more in America, that's undeniable. There's an official tracking system. There's no clear-cut system that tracks worldwide sale like RIAA but it's been said that she's done over 100 million as well.

They sold about the same amount and Janet sold more worldwide.

Her camp recently said this. How the hell did she go from 85 million worldwide to 100 million in just a few years? Her albums aren't even selling like they used to.

Digital singles.

Womanizer sold 3 million copies in the US alone.

Circus sold 2 million in the US and another 3.5 million worldwide.

If U Seek Amy sold over 1 million in the US alone.

3 sold 2 million in the US alone.

The numbers add up fast. Lady Gaga is already at 63 million units sold and it's only been two years. These lists are going to mean nothing now that the most popular songs are selling over 6 million copies in the US alone. Artists that do not sell well digitally are going to suffer in these rankings - Janet is one of them.

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Toni Childs has more artistry than Janet and Britney regardless of album sales. Nuff said!!!

midiscover said:

musicjunky318 said:

I never said she didn't cross 100 million. I just said Britney's sold more. It's got nothing to do with taste or opinion. It's a fact that you refuse to accept even though it's right in front of your face. I still love you though.

Sold more where? Janet sold more worldwide. RIAA ≠ worldwide.

Janet is not a big seller worldwide though. A huge portion of her sales are domestic. Here's the confirmed/estimate sales breakdown from even her biggest selling album:

Janet (1993)
USA: 8,300,000
Canada: 400,000

Australia: 140,000
New Zealand: 15,000

Japan: 650,000

South Africa: 300,000

Europe 2,470,000
- UK: 825.000
- Germany: 575,000
- France: 225.000
- Spain: 40,000
- Italy: 100,000
- Netherlands: 140,000 (# 5 (50))
- Sweden: 70,000 (# 5 (8) (27))
- Austria: # 7 (1) (25)
- Switzerland: 40,000 (# 10 (3) (29))

Global estimates: 13.5 million

Compare that to someone like Britney's biggest selling album:

Baby One More Time (1998)
USA: 14.1 million
Canada: 1,400,000
Mexico: 400,000
Argentina: 120,000
Brazil: 200,000
Chile: 40,000
Venezuela: 40,000
Colombia: 50.000
Uruguay: 20,000

Japan: 600,000
India: 40,000
Singapore: 40,000
Malaysia: 100,000
Philippines: 160,000
Indonesia: 250,000
Korea: 150,000
Taiwan: 60,000
Thailand: 120,000
Hong Kong: 50,000

Australia: 300,000
New Zealand: 50,000

South Africa: 100,000
Israel: 20,000
Turkey: 35,000

Europe 4,590,000
- England: 1,300,000
- Germany: 800,000
- France: 625,000
- Italy: 200,000
- Spain: 350,000
- Netherlands: 250,000
- Switzerland: 120,000
- Sweden: 100,000
- Austria: 45,000
- Finland: 38,000
- Poland: 100,000
- Belgium: 200,000
- Portugal: 80,000
- Slovenia: 25,000
- Croatia: 10,000
- Denmark: 50,000
- Czech Rep.: 15,000
- Hungary: 25,000
- Greece: 15.000
- Ireland: 75,000
- Romania: 30,000
- Iceland: 7500

World Rating: 23.8 million

Janet sells good, but she's not a particularly big seller in any international markets. Props do have to be given to Janet Jackson for being the second biggest selling black female artist in the world though.

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damn,you guys are really serious about this You know how and where to look this stuff up.

Unholyalliance said:

Janet is not a big seller worldwide though. A huge portion of her sales are domestic. Here's the confirmed/estimate sales breakdown from even her biggest selling album:

It doesn't matter to bring out the numbers, obviously the Janet-Xone brigade was sent out to other forums to desperately shoot down anyone who does not believe that Janet is one of the biggest selling acts worldwide.

Oh and I never mentioned Madonna in relation to this discussion, neither I actually "hated" on Janet so certain people have to find a better way in terms of arguments otherwise they can go back to a forum dedicated to their idols where they can continue bathing in their delusion.

Unholyalliance said:

Janet is not a big seller worldwide though. A huge portion of her sales are domestic. Here's the confirmed/estimate sales breakdown from even her biggest selling album:

Janet sells good, but she's not a particularly big seller in any international markets. Props do have to be given to Janet Jackson for being the second biggest selling black female artist in the world though.

I don't know where you're getting your info from. The janet. album sold 20 million worldwide. The NARM confirmed this. I'm more inclined to believe them than some other website.

I never said she's selling albums like hot cakes worldwide. I'm just correcting those who are pressed and misinformed that are making it seem as if she didn't sell anything. She sold 130+ million records worldwide.

The end.

LiveToTell86 said:

Unholyalliance said:

Janet is not a big seller worldwide though. A huge portion of her sales are domestic. Here's the confirmed/estimate sales breakdown from even her biggest selling album:

It doesn't matter to bring out the numbers, obviously the Janet-Xone brigade was sent out to other forums to desperately shoot down anyone who does not believe that Janet is one of the biggest selling acts worldwide.

Oh and I never mentioned Madonna in relation to this discussion, neither I actually "hated" on Janet so certain people have to find a better way in terms of arguments otherwise they can go back to a forum dedicated to their idols where they can continue bathing in their delusion.

LMAO! Moose! Janet is one of the biggest selling acts ever. Billboard confirms this. RIAA confirms this. The many music books confirm this. Take it up with them.

Blah, blah, blah. Yada, yada, yada We've been through this before when you tried to come for her last greatest hits album. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

midiscover said:

LiveToTell86 said:

It doesn't matter to bring out the numbers, obviously the Janet-Xone brigade was sent out to other forums to desperately shoot down anyone who does not believe that Janet is one of the biggest selling acts worldwide.

Oh and I never mentioned Madonna in relation to this discussion, neither I actually "hated" on Janet so certain people have to find a better way in terms of arguments otherwise they can go back to a forum dedicated to their idols where they can continue bathing in their delusion.

LMAO! Moose! Janet is one of the biggest selling acts ever. Billboard confirms this. RIAA confirms this. The many music books confirm this. Take it up with them.

Blah, blah, blah. Yada, yada, yada We've been through this before when you tried to come for her last greatest hits album. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

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midiscover said:

Unholyalliance said:

Janet is not a big seller worldwide though. A huge portion of her sales are domestic. Here's the confirmed/estimate sales breakdown from even her biggest selling album:

Janet sells good, but she's not a particularly big seller in any international markets. Props do have to be given to Janet Jackson for being the second biggest selling black female artist in the world though.

I don't know where you're getting your info from. The janet. album sold 20 million worldwide. The NARM confirmed this. I'm more inclined to believe them than some other website.

Umm...there is no, particular, organization that keeps track of worldwide sales. Nor do they give awards out for them. This is why such lists that do exist are created, because of fans.

Also, you said it yourself, she's not that big of a seller outside of the US so why would the album sell 8.3 million domestically, and then 11.7 million internationally? Also, this album came out in the Soundscan era so it's not as if one can argue that there's like millions of sales unaccounted for, at least in the US, if it had been released in the 80s.

Unholyalliance said:

Also, you said it yourself, she's not that big of a seller outside of the US so why would the album sell 8.3 million domestically, and then 11.7 million internationally?

Uhh, this comment made my head hurt.

Again, with the assumptions. You can try all you want to discredit her but the fact is janet. sold 20 million worldwide. Take this up with the many press releases stating this, Virgin record label, etc.

midiscover said:

Again, with the assumptions. You can try all you want to discredit her but the fact is janet. sold 20 million worldwide. Take this up with the many press releases stating this, Virgin record label, etc.

just let it go, janet could care less. when you no longer have #1 records go make #1 movies