daPrettyman said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Streisand before hagdonna ? How?

Well, Barbara has damn-near 100 albums compared to Madonna 20.

That and she had a good couple decades head start. Plus, she's crossed soo many genres, unlike artist of today, she's bee able to tap into lot of markets.

sosgemini said:

daPrettyman said:

Well, Barbara has damn-near 100 albums compared to Madonna 20.

That and she had a good couple decades head start. Plus, she's crossed soo many genres, unlike artist of today, she's bee able to tap into lot of markets.

I think it's worthy noting that Madonna had the advantage of releasing the majority of her albums when album sales were at their peak (early 1980's to early 2000's). Barbra released many albums in the 1960's, when the single was the predominant format. We're now seeing a return to the same sort of sales climate as the 1960's, where singles sell tons of copies and albums struggle. Lady GaGa has sold about 12 million copies of The Fame worldwide, but her singles sales are more than 50 million units.

So, it's pretty much apples and oranges to a certain extent.

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Its obvious why Barbra Joan Streisand deserves to be the number one female artist.

Well Barbra has sold a lot of albums in every decade from the 60s to now with the exception of the 90s. She released a lot of albums in the 60s such as

I can get it for you whole sale 1962 (As Miss Marmelstein)

The Barbra Streisand Album 1963 Gold (#8)

The 2nd (") 1964 Gold

The 3rd (") (#1)

People (Was an album #1 and #1 single "People" at time of Beatlemania)

Funny Girl Cast Album

My name is Barbra 1965

My name is Barbra 2

Jem Apelle Barbra 1966 (In French)

A Happening in Central Park 1967

Funny Girl Movie Soundtrack 1968

Hello Dolly 1969

What about Today (She tried pop music but it flopped)

Barbra Streisands Greatest Hits Volume 1

On a Clear Day 1970

The Owl and the Pussy Cat

All of these albums were at least gold and several were number one, there was no platinum award then. The 2nd and 3rd BS albums and a happening must have sold 5 million each at least, the rest except the first, Jem Apelle and the last two have probably shipped at least a million each

The 70s she had several more blockbusters (There were many other compilations, movie soundtracks and others I haven't mentioned )

Stoney End 1970 (Her first successful attempt at contemporary pop music) The single "Stoney End" written by Laura Nyro was a #5 hit

Barbra Joan Streisand 1971

Barbra Streisand and other Musical Instruments 1973

The Way we were 1973

Butterfly 1974

Funny Lady 1975

Classical Barbra 1976 (This one was a colossal flop)

Streisand Superman 1977 (A true return to form, including "My heart belongs to me")

A Star is Born (A real smash) 1977 Mega Platinum

The Eyes of Laura Mars Soundtrack

You don't bring me flowers 1978 (The late 70s was a real renaissance for her)

Wet (1979) which was also a hit and had the disco smash " No More Tears Enough is enough" with Donna Summer

The Main Event (Was incredibly successful, unlike the movie, the disco themed "Fight" got to #3)

The 1980s - now Icon Status

Guilty 1980 (Her biggest seller 15 million copies, including the megahit "Woman in Love" 3 other big hits inclusing Guilty, What Kind of Fool and The Love Inside). The Album had songs written by Barry Gibb, the Bee Gees lead singer.

Memories a Collection 1981 (Greatest Hits complimation that sold millions, along with another hit single - Coming in and out of your life) The songs were all from 1973 onwards.

Emotion and Yentl Soundtrack 1983/84 (Also quite big sellers)

The Broadway Album 1985 Was a #1 smash and was truly brilliant including her version of Somewhere

Since then she hasn't been as big, but released many good albums and songs and was even Number One in teh album charts this year. Some outstanding singles since 1990 include

"I've found someone" and "Tell Him" a Duet with Celine Dion"

Barbra is also an amazing actress from her roles in Funny Girl right up to Mrs Fokker

She deserves her Number One status.

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VoicesCarry said:

sosgemini said:

That and she had a good couple decades head start. Plus, she's crossed soo many genres, unlike artist of today, she's bee able to tap into lot of markets.

singles sell tons of copies and albums struggle. Lady GaGa has sold about 12 million copies of The Fame worldwide, but her singles sales are more than 50 million units.

Holy crap! is that true?

Marrk said:

VoicesCarry said:

singles sell tons of copies and albums struggle. Lady GaGa has sold about 12 million copies of The Fame worldwide, but her singles sales are more than 50 million units.

Holy crap! is that true?

Yes. She's now sold over 26 million singles and tracks in the US alone (numbers below were for earlier this year):

Single Sales By Album:
The Fame Monster Deluxe: 25,054,000
The Fame: 16,584,000
The Fame Monster EP: 8,470,000

Top songs:
"Just Dance" (featuring Colby O'Donis) (5,583,000)
"Poker Face" (5,409,000)
"Bad Romance" (4,111,000)
"Paparazzi" (2,616,000)
"Telephone" (featuring Beyonce) (2,384,000)
"Lovegame" (2,199,000)

"Alejandro" (1,556,000)

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^Yes, that is true. It's even more shocking if you remember The Fame Monster and The Fame deluxe edition are all combined with the original album. And that's one of the only 2 albums to cross 10 million worldwide in the last 5 years (Amy Winehouse being the other), that's how tragic albums are doing. I don't recall Madonna's US singles total but I'm sure Gaga already reached at least a third of that with several 3-4 million sellers (while Madonna only has like 6 one-million seller singles).

About Barbra, while it's true albums weren't as big then as the 80s or 90s, at the end of the day it's still more than 60 different albums under her belt and a lot of them sold 500k at least. Plus she's in fact the template of being an album artist, she only had like 10-12 proper hits in 50 years, but her albums have been selling consistently, in the 90s she was practically selling as many albums as Madonna!

I believe Guilty is her best seller and it "only" reached 5x Platinum, while in fact Madonna was the first female artist who scored a 5x Platinum with Like A Virgin (that got overshadowed by Whitney Houston's debut the year after). So yeah, quite an outdated comparison, the albums list will never change, but a lot of current acts have the potential to outsell older females' singles totals due to the changed industry.

LiveToTell86 said:

^Yes, that is true. It's even more shocking if you remember The Fame Monster and The Fame deluxe edition are all combined with the original album. And that's one of the only 2 albums to cross 10 million worldwide in the last 5 years (Amy Winehouse being the other), that's how tragic albums are doing. I don't recall Madonna's US singles total but I'm sure Gaga already reached at least a third of that with several 3-4 million sellers (while Madonna only has like 6 one-million seller singles).

About Barbra, while it's true albums weren't as big then as the 80s or 90s, at the end of the day it's still more than 60 different albums under her belt and a lot of them sold 500k at least. Plus she's in fact the template of being an album artist, she only had like 10-12 proper hits in 50 years, but her albums have been selling consistently, in the 90s she was practically selling as many albums as Madonna!

I believe Guilty is her best seller and it "only" reached 5x Platinum, while in fact Madonna was the first female artist who scored a 5x Platinum with Like A Virgin (that got overshadowed by Whitney Houston's debut the year after). So yeah, quite an outdated comparison, the albums list will never change, but a lot of current acts have the potential to outsell older females' singles totals due to the changed industry.

Gaga is still selling nearly 100,000 albums per week worldwide. With Grammy nominations and continued touring and promotion, she could wind up at 15 million copies of The Fame sold, plus an additional 2 million copies of The Fame Monster (I did not include The Fame Monster in that 12 million figure). Which, even in the heyday of album sales was a pretty popular album.

VoicesCarry said:

LiveToTell86 said:

^Yes, that is true. It's even more shocking if you remember The Fame Monster and The Fame deluxe edition are all combined with the original album. And that's one of the only 2 albums to cross 10 million worldwide in the last 5 years (Amy Winehouse being the other), that's how tragic albums are doing. I don't recall Madonna's US singles total but I'm sure Gaga already reached at least a third of that with several 3-4 million sellers (while Madonna only has like 6 one-million seller singles).

About Barbra, while it's true albums weren't as big then as the 80s or 90s, at the end of the day it's still more than 60 different albums under her belt and a lot of them sold 500k at least. Plus she's in fact the template of being an album artist, she only had like 10-12 proper hits in 50 years, but her albums have been selling consistently, in the 90s she was practically selling as many albums as Madonna!

I believe Guilty is her best seller and it "only" reached 5x Platinum, while in fact Madonna was the first female artist who scored a 5x Platinum with Like A Virgin (that got overshadowed by Whitney Houston's debut the year after). So yeah, quite an outdated comparison, the albums list will never change, but a lot of current acts have the potential to outsell older females' singles totals due to the changed industry.

Gaga is still selling nearly 100,000 albums per week worldwide. With Grammy nominations and continued touring and promotion, she could wind up at 15 million copies of The Fame sold, plus an additional 2 million copies of The Fame Monster (I did not include The Fame Monster in that 12 million figure). Which, even in the heyday of album sales was a pretty popular album.

wow that quite an accomplishment to sell that many copies considering how album sales have been in decline this decade, I remember when Beyonce's was first coming out with I am Sasha Fierce Lots of her Stans was estimating she would sell somewhere between 15 to 20 million with this album with the whole singles ladies thing but it only sold over 6 million world wide

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HAPPYPERSON said:

VoicesCarry said:

Gaga is still selling nearly 100,000 albums per week worldwide. With Grammy nominations and continued touring and promotion, she could wind up at 15 million copies of The Fame sold, plus an additional 2 million copies of The Fame Monster (I did not include The Fame Monster in that 12 million figure). Which, even in the heyday of album sales was a pretty popular album.

wow that quite an accomplishment to sell that many copies considering how album sales have been in decline this decade, I remeber when Beyonce's was frist coming out with I am Sasha Fierce Lots of her Stans was estimating she would sell somewhere between 15 to 20 million with this album with the whole singles ladies thing but it only solve over 6 million world wide

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That might be cause she is truly fucking shit though.

Outside of her fanbase, nobody cares enough to take a chance on a Beyonce album.

Gotta admit those are impressive album numbers by Lady Gaga in this day and age. I presume nobody else is even close to selling that amount off a new release these days?

midiscover said:

alphastreet said:

I mean, fuck!! She beat janet!

That's because she actually gets her stuff certified. Janet doesn't.

Even with certification Britney eclipses Janet both in the U.S. and worldwide.

musicjunky318 said:

midiscover said:

That's because she actually gets her stuff certified. Janet doesn't.

Even with certification Britney eclipses Janet both in the U.S. and worldwide.

No, she doesn't.

Janet sold 130 mil. worldwide.

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midiscover said:

musicjunky318 said:

Even with certification Britney eclipses Janet both in the U.S. and worldwide.

No, she doesn't.

Janet sold 130 mil. worldwide.

Nope. Britney has been way bigger and more consistent worldwide. Even 75 million albums for Janet is already generous (doubling the US figures)...

Britney is at around 100 mill worldwide btw.

LiveToTell86 said:

midiscover said:

No, she doesn't.

Janet sold 130 mil. worldwide.

Nope. Britney has been way bigger and more consistent worldwide. Even 75 million albums for Janet is already generous (doubling the US figures)...

Eh yes and Janet sold more than 75 million albums. Fuck out of my face with your hate

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lol...what's with all these arguments about record sales?

On a previous thread,folks were arguing about the Beatles' record sales vs.Michael Jackson's sales.And now y'all are comparing Britney Spears' sales to Janets'...lol

midiscover said:

LiveToTell86 said:

Nope. Britney has been way bigger and more consistent worldwide. Even 75 million albums for Janet is already generous (doubling the US figures)...

Eh yes and Janet sold more than 75 million albums. Fuck out of my face with your hate

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I bet you can't break down those sales. The first 2 studio albums and the last 3, plus Number Ones are like 6-7 million in total at most.

So basically you're saying her 5 albums between 1986 to 2001 and Design of a Decade sold *at least* 70 million in total, even though their adjusted RIAA certifications would be just around 30 million. It's highly unlikely she sold more of ANY of her albums outside the US than in the US, so as you can see, even 75 million albums is too high.

LiveToTell86 said:

midiscover said:

Eh yes and Janet sold more than 75 million albums. Fuck out of my face with your hate

[Edited 9/14/10 6:26am]

I bet you can't break down those sales. The first 2 studio albums and the last 3, plus Number Ones are like 6-7 million in total at most.

So basically you're saying her 5 albums between 1986 to 2001 and Design of a Decade sold *at least* 70 million in total, even though their adjusted RIAA certifications would be just around 30 million. It's highly unlikely she sold more of ANY of her albums outside the US than in the US, so as you can see, even 75 million albums is too high.

Are you retarded? RIAA = US sales, hun. I'm not here for your assumptions. Control, RN, janet. and TVR combined equate to 60-65 million WW and that doesn't even include her remix albums and compilations.

The FACT remains that Janet sold between 130-135 million records if not more in her career.

midiscover said:

LiveToTell86 said:

I bet you can't break down those sales. The first 2 studio albums and the last 3, plus Number Ones are like 6-7 million in total at most.

So basically you're saying her 5 albums between 1986 to 2001 and Design of a Decade sold *at least* 70 million in total, even though their adjusted RIAA certifications would be just around 30 million. It's highly unlikely she sold more of ANY of her albums outside the US than in the US, so as you can see, even 75 million albums is too high.

Are you retarded? RIAA = US sales, hun. I'm not here for your assumptions. Control, RN, janet. and TVR combined equate to 60-65 million WW and that doesn't even include her remix albums and compilations.

The FACT remains that Janet sold between 130-135 million records if not more in her career.

I know RIAA is US, I meant even if you DOUBLE the 30 million they sold in the US (considering IF those albums sold as much in the rest of the world as in the US), you're still FAR from 75 million. 60 million album is the highest total (it's not like RN1814 was as big WW as in the US for example). She had a lot less worldwide hits than in the US, so no way she's even remotely close to your assumed 130 million.

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LiveToTell86 said:

midiscover said:

Are you retarded? RIAA = US sales, hun. I'm not here for your assumptions. Control, RN, janet. and TVR combined equate to 60-65 million WW and that doesn't even include her remix albums and compilations.

The FACT remains that Janet sold between 130-135 million records if not more in her career.

I know RIAA is US, I meant even if you DOUBLE the 30 million they sold in the US (considering IF those albums sold as much in the rest of the world as in the US), you're still FAR from 75 million. 60 million album is the highest total (it's not like RN1814 was as big WW as in the US for example). She had a lot less worldwide hits than in the US, so no way she's even remotely close to your assumed 130 million.

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Once again, I'm not here for ASSumptions and Janet sold more than 30 million in the states. She IS above 130 million records (albums, singles, DVDs, etc.) and you will deal.

midiscover said:

LiveToTell86 said:

I know RIAA is US, I meant even if you DOUBLE the 30 million they sold in the US (considering IF those albums sold as much in the rest of the world as in the US), you're still FAR from 75 million. 60 million album is the highest total (it's not like RN1814 was as big WW as in the US for example). She had a lot less worldwide hits than in the US, so no way she's even remotely close to your assumed 130 million.

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Once again, I'm not here for ASSumptions and Janet sold more than 30 million in the states. She IS above 130 million records (albums, singles, DVDs, etc.) and you will deal.

On the previous page VoicesCarry broke down her US sales and it's just above 30 million. How much did her singles sell in the US? Around 20 million?

You're not able to give any proof to back up your statement about 75 million albums, let alone 130 million records, so it's you who's doing assumptions and you can't deal with the fact that Janet was never as big worldwide as Britney was for example.

I just don't see how she would have been able to sell that much records worldwide when her last hit was 9 years ago and her first 2 and last 3 studio albums sold next to nothing outside the US.

LiveToTell86 said:

midiscover said:

Once again, I'm not here for ASSumptions and Janet sold more than 30 million in the states. She IS above 130 million records (albums, singles, DVDs, etc.) and you will deal.

On the previous page VoicesCarry broke down her US sales and it's just above 30 million. How much did her singles sell in the US? Around 20 million?

You're not able to give any proof to back up your statement about 75 million albums, let alone 130 million records, so it's you who's doing assumptions and you can't deal with the fact that Janet was never as big worldwide as Britney was for example.

I just don't see how she would have been able to sell that much records worldwide when her last hit was 9 years ago and her first 2 and last 3 studio albums sold next to nothing outside the US.

Then why did you say it was just 30 milllion, [Name calling snip - luv4u]

LMFAO! I just told you that Control, RN, janet and TVR. sold between 60-65 million. That's just 4 of her studio albums. Her total single sales are between 40- 50 million ww. You do the math. Records = singles + albums + DVDs. Save the reverse psychology, dear. You're the one that's bothered with your assumptions.

Of course, YOU don't see because YOU don't want to see it. This has nothing to do with the Billboard Hot 100. LMAO!

midiscover said:

LiveToTell86 said:

On the previous page VoicesCarry broke down her US sales and it's just above 30 million. How much did her singles sell in the US? Around 20 million?

You're not able to give any proof to back up your statement about 75 million albums, let alone 130 million records, so it's you who's doing assumptions and you can't deal with the fact that Janet was never as big worldwide as Britney was for example.

I just don't see how she would have been able to sell that much records worldwide when her last hit was 9 years ago and her first 2 and last 3 studio albums sold next to nothing outside the US.

Then why did you say it was just 30 milllion, [Name calling snip - luv4u]

LMFAO! I just told you that Control, RN, janet and TVR. sold between 60-65 million. That's just 4 of her studio albums. Her total single sales are between 40- 50 million ww. You do the math. Records = singles + albums + DVDs. Save the reverse psychology, dear. You're the one that's bothered with your assumptions.

Of course, YOU don't see because YOU don't want to see it. This has nothing to do with the Billboard Hot 100. LMAO!

Excuse me? "Just above" 30 million because he listed 30.5 million, not because it's a LOT more like what you suggested.

In what countries did Control, RN, janet. and TVR sell 60 million? Only janet. reached 15 million, TVR sold less than 10 and Control might just broke 10. Even 50 million seems to be inflated for these.

Like I said, the rest of her albums add 6-7 million at most, so even if I go with your 65 million, then it's still not "more than 75 million" in terms of album sales, don't you get it?

Her total singles between 40-50 million? How exactly? She only had a couple of big worldwide hits, like "That's The Way Love Goes", "Together Again", "Whoops Now" or "All For You", it's not like every Janet single reached a million worldwide, the Rhythm Nation singles didn't even crack the UK top 10. DVD and remix sales surely don't add up to millions either.

According to you: 60-65 million of the 4 big albums + 40-50 million singles , which means + 25-30 million of "everything else", including her first 2 and last 5 albums that sold peanuts and DVD sales? I'm not even convinced you believe that yourself!

LiveToTell86 said:

midiscover said:

Then why did you say it was just 30 milllion, [Name calling snip - luv4u]

LMFAO! I just told you that Control, RN, janet and TVR. sold between 60-65 million. That's just 4 of her studio albums. Her total single sales are between 40- 50 million ww. You do the math. Records = singles + albums + DVDs. Save the reverse psychology, dear. You're the one that's bothered with your assumptions.

Of course, YOU don't see because YOU don't want to see it. This has nothing to do with the Billboard Hot 100. LMAO!

Excuse me? "Just above" 30 million because he listed 30.5 million, not because it's a LOT more like what you suggested.

In what countries did Control, RN, janet. and TVR sell 60 million? Only janet. reached 15 million, TVR sold less than 10 and Control might just broke 10. Even 50 million seems to be inflated for these.

Like I said, the rest of her albums add 6-7 million at most, so even if I go with your 65 million, then it's still not "more than 75 million" in terms of album sales, don't you get it?

Her total singles between 40-50 million? How exactly? She only had a couple of big worldwide hits, like "That's The Way Love Goes", "Together Again", "Whoops Now" or "All For You", it's not like every Janet single reached a million worldwide, the Rhythm Nation singles didn't even crack the UK top 10. DVD and remix sales surely don't add up to millions either.

According to you: 60-65 million of the 4 big albums + 40-50 million singles , which means + 25-30 million of "everything else", including her first 2 and last 5 albums that sold peanuts and DVD sales? I'm not even convinced you believe that yourself!

LMFAO!! You're so pressed! I love how you're decreasing her album sales. Correction - janet. sold 20 million ww. Control sold more than 14 million and TVR sold 10 million.

How exactly? because it did and you will deal.

"DVD and remix sales surely don't add up to millions either" Assumptions. It does equate to a million and more.

Poor Vadge fan still pressed over Janet.

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Here are my non-assumptions. This is from a website of a guy who spent years on researching sales.

First, here are Janet's WW albums total until 2008:

http://fanofmusic.free.fr...orldAlbums

Looks like 15 million for janet. was too generous.

And here's Janet position on the best selling album acts list:

http://fanofmusic.free.fr...sWorldActs

Discipline & Number Ones adds a grand total of 1 million to that.

So I guess it's you who has to "deal" now?

Hilarious when people try to downplay Janet's achievements Her DVD/Video compilations sold 5.5 million in the states and that doesn't include her last two compilations. Her two tour DVDS each sold 1+ million in the states. I mean, let's not be delayed and blinded by her mediocore success of the past few years. She has accomplished a lot and sold wayyyy more than 100 million records worldwide.

and LMAO @ that failed source. You would look up and down and in every corner for a source that deflated her sales.

midiscover said:

and LMAO @ that failed source. You would look up and down and in every corner for a source that deflated her sales.

How is it a failed source? You saying stuff like "20 million for janet." out of the blue is a better source? Worldwide sales are never officially measured, so someone spending years on research is the best source.

I'm sorry but that's that, and you saying "because it did and you will deal" won't change that you're ridiculously inflating Janet's sales.

LiveToTell86 said:

midiscover said:

and LMAO @ that failed source. You would look up and down and in every corner for a source that deflated her sales.

How is it a failed source? You saying stuff like "20 million for janet." out of the blue is a better source? Worldwide sales are never officially measured, so someone spending years on research is the best source.

I'm sorry but that's that, and you saying "because it did and you will deal" won't change that you're ridiculously inflating Janet's sales.

Out of the blue? Eh so you're saying all those press releases, many chart/sales sites, Janet fans that actually search on her sales are false because someone said otherwise? You're the definition of a hater. janet. sold 20 million WW and that's a fact. All the press releases stating it sold 20 million worldwide > one failed site that's probably getting at most 10 hits a week. HA!

I'm not inflating a thing just stating facts and you're steaming over the fact that sold more than 100 million records. You will get over it.

Now why don't you breakdown this 300+ million Vadge and her camp is claiming?

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I'll post the SEVERAL sources stating that janet. sold 20 million later today or tomorrow. Funny how you went from bitching about Janet not selling 70 million albums to bitching about her biggest selling album not selling 20 million. You're BOTHERED.

LMAO! It's crazy how people will STAUNCHLY try to deflate Janet's sales and/or status as an icon. It gets to be sickening after a while. It's obvious that Britney is clearly influenced by Janet, moreso than Madonna, because everything from BritBrit's videos, choreography, photos, stage shows etc SCREAMS Janet wannabe. In fact, Janet's stamp is on most of these younger chicks out today. As far as her record sales go, most of Janet's albums have not even been recertified. If they were, her sales tally would be WAY higher. Janet was also never one to put out an album of new material EVERY year like some of her contemporaries did, often taking three to four years to release in between albums, thus the lower sales. Hell, the RN album alone was the biggest pop album of 1990.

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