^^ BTW was the song Michael referenced way back in like 83 called Buffalo Bill not Buffalo Hill???

I might be wrong. The sceptic in me balances my excitement these days with announcements that are made in forums first.

Swa

Swa said:

^^ BTW was the song Michael referenced way back in like 83 called Buffalo Bill not Buffalo Hill???

I might be wrong. The sceptic in me balances my excitement these days with announcements that are made in forums first.

Swa

I wanna hear that one which Rod Temperton did.

I have to say the names of the songs are quite interesting.

Two questions and folks passed right through them

Thanx alot

suga10 said:

bboy87 said:

http://twitter.com/TeddyRiley1

My first day Wednesday on the MJ project. I couldn't hold back the tears. I also couldn't hold back on what would make him proud of me.
10:30 PM Sep 3rd via HTC Peep

This is my second day and I'm gonna do a hard uptempo to keep my spirits up.
10:31 PM Sep 3rd via HTC Peep

I'm gonna make my visit to MJ next week I need to feel his presents while I'm doing this. Inspiration!!
10:34 PM Sep 3rd via HTC Peep

Then he tweeted this -

@munchkette1 THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERN...THE TRUTH WILL COME TO LIGHT. ITS MUCH BIGGER THAN ALL INVOLVE, MICHAEL IS BIGGER THAN ALL INVOLVE
about 16 hours ago via web in reply to munchkette1

Michael is alive. That is truth that will come to light. What other truths are left in Michael Jackson's world that need to be revealed.

Then you have Riley saying he's going to visit MJ next week.

Tito's Twitter

twitter.com/titojackson5

Randy Jackson

http://twitter.com/randyjackson8

Second, the coordinator is telling fans that my brother is alive & will be there in disguise.... That deeply disturbs me. 8:33 PM May 11th via Twitter for BlackBerry®

[Edited 9/5/10 16:17pm]

[Edited 9/5/10 16:26pm]

suga10 said:

Swa said:

I wonder if any of the conspiracy fans out there ever stop for a moment and look at what they are doing to Michael's legacy, and his children.

They're accusations, incriminations, fabrications and hallucinations are doing the very same thing that the tabloid media Michael so very hated did. In a sad way some fans have become Michael's worst enemy.

Let the man Rest In Peace.

And now onto the music...

Wasn't Michael the one who told the world not to trust everything the media says, so how would 1% of the population being doing him injustice whatsoever.

There's a reason why clues are being leaked out. Even the FBI posted this on the same day of Michael's funeral anniversary! Why this day of all days in the year???

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/september10/fraud_090310.html

And I think 99% of the population believes Michael is dead and they believe the bullshit the media has been feeding us this past year :rolleyes: People really need to open their eyes up.

Anyways, you will be regretting your words big time!

And I'm not being delusional. You may think I'm nuts and you can say whatever the hell you want, cause I really don't give a flying f*** if you call me conspiracy theorist, nuts, delusional, or whatever. I know I'm right, and you guys are wrong. I can say that with 100% confidence.

Anyways I'm done with this particular discussion over this subject.

[Edited 9/5/10 18:27pm]

Suga.

Look if you want to believe whatever you want no one is stopping you. But don't be bringing it into the forum and not expect those who disagree with you not to point out where you are factually incorrect.

You say not to trust the media, yet this is all you are basing things on - hearsay and doublespeak and misquotes in media twisted to try to prove something that isn't factually correct.

So I assume from reading your latest post you believe Michael is alive - and that he faked his own death.

You must believe then that Michael willingly inflicted pain on thousands of people worldwide. Willingly committed unspeakable pain on his family and more importantly on his beloved children.

Commit fraud and profit from the hoax.

So if you believe all this - then perhaps you can answer me this... why now? Why would Michael fake his death now of all times?

Why not do it back in the midst of all the pain of 93?

Why not do it post the fallout of 2005?

If Michael was trying to escape anything - why not do it in this period?

Why would he wait to do it when he had everything to gain from a successful tour? When he had the chance to reclaim in the world's eyes the title of King of Pop and for the first time in over a decade get the world's focus off the bs of the tabloids and back on his amazing talent?

Why now?

Oh and if he did fake his death, and is alive and well (as you seem to claim) then how could have been murdered by AEG and Sony and the boggieman? Oh - and when he Michael going to make his comeback? Would love to know the date.

You know, like millions of other fans, we would want Michael here with us to enjoy his art and music again. But sadly that isn't going to happen.

He died tragically, and unexpectedly, and senselessly. There is no greater meaning.

Harlepolis said:

Jay(or anybody else)..

Do you know ANY interesting podcasts about MJ's music? Sort of like the equavilant to the Peach & Black series?

Afronerd did a couple of episodes about him(the tribute was really interesting, and the other was the usual "Prince Vs MJ" charade and him being a Prince stan, you know what the verdict was ).

Anyway, let me know.

Not aware of any good podcasts on MJ besides the series that was produced during the Thriller 25 release - featuring various artists talking about the album.

Harlepolis said:

Two questions and folks passed right through them

Thanx alot

What was your question?

suga10 said:

[img:$uid]http://ipowerrichmond.com/files/2010/06/TheFuture.jpg[/img:$uid]

That would be a great cover.

Swa said:

suga10 said:

[img:$uid]http://ipowerrichmond.com/files/2010/06/TheFuture.jpg[/img:$uid]

That would be a great cover.

It is nice

Swa said:

suga10 said:

Wasn't Michael the one who told the world not to trust everything the media says, so how would 1% of the population being doing him injustice whatsoever.

There's a reason why clues are being leaked out. Even the FBI posted this on the same day of Michael's funeral anniversary! Why this day of all days in the year???

http://www.fbi.gov/page2/september10/fraud_090310.html

And I think 99% of the population believes Michael is dead and they believe the bullshit the media has been feeding us this past year :rolleyes: People really need to open their eyes up.

Anyways, you will be regretting your words big time!

And I'm not being delusional. You may think I'm nuts and you can say whatever the hell you want, cause I really don't give a flying f*** if you call me conspiracy theorist, nuts, delusional, or whatever. I know I'm right, and you guys are wrong. I can say that with 100% confidence.

Anyways I'm done with this particular discussion over this subject.

[Edited 9/5/10 18:27pm]

Suga.

Look if you want to believe whatever you want no one is stopping you. But don't be bringing it into the forum and not expect those who disagree with you not to point out where you are factually incorrect.

You say not to trust the media, yet this is all you are basing things on - hearsay and doublespeak and misquotes in media twisted to try to prove something that isn't factually correct.

So I assume from reading your latest post you believe Michael is alive - and that he faked his own death.

You must believe then that Michael willingly inflicted pain on thousands of people worldwide. Willingly committed unspeakable pain on his family and more importantly on his beloved children.

Commit fraud and profit from the hoax.

So if you believe all this - then perhaps you can answer me this... why now? Why would Michael fake his death now of all times?

Why not do it back in the midst of all the pain of 93?

Why not do it post the fallout of 2005?

If Michael was trying to escape anything - why not do it in this period?

Why would he wait to do it when he had everything to gain from a successful tour? When he had the chance to reclaim in the world's eyes the title of King of Pop and for the first time in over a decade get the world's focus off the bs of the tabloids and back on his amazing talent?

Why now?

Oh and if he did fake his death, and is alive and well (as you seem to claim) then how could have been murdered by AEG and Sony and the boggieman? Oh - and when he Michael going to make his comeback? Would love to know the date.

You know, like millions of other fans, we would want Michael here with us to enjoy his art and music again. But sadly that isn't going to happen.

He died tragically, and unexpectedly, and senselessly. There is no greater meaning.

Okay Swa, you are entitled to whatever opinion you desire, however, you still don't think about the possibility that he could be alive.

[Edited 9/6/10 16:00pm]

MyLuv229 said:

Regarding Invincible...

I was really looking forward to this album and was sort of getting sick of the whole teengage pop craze at the time. I was really hoping Michael's return would be a whole "show them who's boss" situation. I was initially disappointed because he seemed to have gone along with the over-synthetic styles of pop music and it just wasn't as pleasant to listen to in totality. After History, I had faith that Michael would explore more depths of his artistry - be it dark, haunting, happy, etc. I just wanted to see another layer of who he was and what he was up to during his hiatus. I think I ultimately enjoyed and appreciated the album now, in retrospect, rather than at the time of its release and in the context of where the music industry was.

Yes, Hearbreaker has its moment with the chorus, but it's only a part of the song that I enjoy - everything else is too chaotic. Same with Threatened, Invincible, Unbreakable (although, I like the bass here better than the others)

You Rock My World, while still an enjoyable song, seemed to fit the R&B period of the late 90s rather than 2001.

A song's quality is measured in its totality, and therefore, Break of Dawn, Butterflies, Whatever Happens, Heaven Can Wait, Don't Walk Away delivers in full package.

And while the musical quality of Lost Children, Speechless and You Are My Life is there, it's too Disney for my taste.

2000 Watts, while I appreciate Michael giving us a glimpse of another layer of his vocals, this should've been replaced by Shout.

In summary, Rodney Jerkins was an epic fail, in my eyes, for this album. The album was all over the place and I'd rather Michael release a 21st century version of Off the Wall or have another consistent theme with the album. However, I will say, I really think this album showed the maturity of Michael's vocals. I think out of all his albums, I really liked his vocals on this album.

[Edited 9/5/10 18:51pm]

I still contest, reduce Invincible down to a 9 or 10 track CD and it would be a different album.

Invincilbe (alternate version)

1. Unbreakable 6:26

2. Heartbreaker 5:10 3.

3. Butterflies 4:41

4. Shout 4:18

5. You Rock My World 5:39

6. Heaven Can Wait 4.50

7. Invincible 4:46

8. Break of Dawn 5.33

9. Whatever Happens 4:57

Load it onto your itunes, give it a spin and see what you think.

I think invincible has some underrated songs on there it's not a fave album of mines but I think it's a little unfair to compare that album to his old material since it was a different time.

suga10 said:

Swa said:

Suga.

Look if you want to believe whatever you want no one is stopping you. But don't be bringing it into the forum and not expect those who disagree with you not to point out where you are factually incorrect.

You say not to trust the media, yet this is all you are basing things on - hearsay and doublespeak and misquotes in media twisted to try to prove something that isn't factually correct.

So I assume from reading your latest post you believe Michael is alive - and that he faked his own death.

You must believe then that Michael willingly inflicted pain on thousands of people worldwide. Willingly committed unspeakable pain on his family and more importantly on his beloved children.

Commit fraud and profit from the hoax.

So if you believe all this - then perhaps you can answer me this... why now? Why would Michael fake his death now of all times?

Why not do it back in the midst of all the pain of 93?

Why not do it post the fallout of 2005?

If Michael was trying to escape anything - why not do it in this period?

Why would he wait to do it when he had everything to gain from a successful tour? When he had the chance to reclaim in the world's eyes the title of King of Pop and for the first time in over a decade get the world's focus off the bs of the tabloids and back on his amazing talent?

Why now?

Oh and if he did fake his death, and is alive and well (as you seem to claim) then how could have been murdered by AEG and Sony and the boggieman? Oh - and when he Michael going to make his comeback? Would love to know the date.

You know, like millions of other fans, we would want Michael here with us to enjoy his art and music again. But sadly that isn't going to happen.

He died tragically, and unexpectedly, and senselessly. There is no greater meaning.

Okay Swa, you are entitled to whatever opinion you desire, however, you still don't think about the possibility that there might been a big conspiracy surrounding Michael and maybe he was in fear of his life- which even Jermaine makes reference to here. FBI might be protecting Michael if you think about it, that's why he won't get into trouble.

Be a little open minded.

And Jermaine said Michael was not with us way before he arrived to the airport.

And then he makes this big face expression here like he was trying to tell people something about what really happened.

Then he goes back to his usual self again telling the same old story we've heard.

I'm sorry, but when Jermaine made that slipup, that's what convinced me that Michael was alive, otherwise I was not ready to believe that he was alive beforehand.

[Edited 9/5/10 20:24pm]

First of all if there was a conspiracy involved in getting Michael don't you think there would have been a sting by the FBI not a faked death that lasts over a year. How long will the FBI protect Michael yet not go after those out to get him??? Makes no sense whatsoever.

Second - Jermaine says Michael was healthy (you argue he wasn't). So do you believe Jermaine here or not.

Third - Jermaine made a slip of the tongue and said the wrong thing, that's why he quickly corrects himself.

Remember also Jermaine said that Jordy had withdrawn his claims of abuse online - which was again found out to be incorrect and made up and that Evan Chandler killed himself over the guilt (which has never been proven, but is just conjecture).

If you are basis your whole argument that Michael is alive solely on Jermaine making a slip of the tongue, and then quickly correcting it then it really is a house of cards.

babybugz said:

I think invincible has some underrated songs on there it's not a fave album of mines but I think it's a little unfair to compare that album to his old material since it was a different time.

The disappointment in Invincible is that it was overly long and lost focus. I agree there are some great tracks on it, but for the most part there wasn't anything particularly fresh sounding about it. Michael sounded like a contemporary rather than a pioneer.

Swa said:

babybugz said:

I think invincible has some underrated songs on there it's not a fave album of mines but I think it's a little unfair to compare that album to his old material since it was a different time.

The disappointment in Invincible is that it was overly long and lost focus. I agree there are some great tracks on it, but for the most part there wasn't anything particularly fresh sounding about it. Michael sounded like a contemporary rather than a pioneer.

Well like I said it's not a fave of mines and rare for me to listen to it. But to think it was going to live up to past albums is kind of far fetched , not saying he couldn't put out a good album just it's unfair to compare imo. Plus the sound had changed he was I guess trying to appeal to what people were listening to at that time.

[Edited 9/5/10 20:42pm]

Swa said:

suga10 said:

Okay Swa, you are entitled to whatever opinion you desire, however, you still don't think about the possibility that there might been a big conspiracy surrounding Michael and maybe he was in fear of his life- which even Jermaine makes reference to here. FBI might be protecting Michael if you think about it, that's why he won't get into trouble.

Be a little open minded.

And Jermaine said Michael was not with us way before he arrived to the airport.

And then he makes this big face expression here like he was trying to tell people something about what really happened.

Then he goes back to his usual self again telling the same old story we've heard.

I'm sorry, but when Jermaine made that slipup, that's what convinced me that Michael was alive, otherwise I was not ready to believe that he was alive beforehand.

[Edited 9/5/10 20:24pm]

First of all if there was a conspiracy involved in getting Michael don't you think there would have been a sting by the FBI not a faked death that lasts over a year. How long will the FBI protect Michael yet not go after those out to get him??? Makes no sense whatsoever.

.

Its already been more than a year since he's been dead, Swa.

How do you know things are not happening right now ?

Do you realize that the media is not talking about Murray anymore for a reason? There's a media blackout over that case.

[Edited 9/6/10 16:01pm]

The only media I see that focus on it is tmz . Most just moved on to other things because there's other things happpening. I hope you didn't think it was going to be MichaelMania this year like it was last year not surprise at all.

suga10 said:

Swa said:

^^ BTW was the song Michael referenced way back in like 83 called Buffalo Bill not Buffalo Hill???

I might be wrong. The sceptic in me balances my excitement these days with announcements that are made in forums first.

Swa

I wanna hear that one which Rod Temperton did.

I have to say the names of the songs are quite interesting.

It's called "Buffalo Bill". It was supposed to be on Victory, then recorded again for Bad

The record with Rod Temperton (Rolling The Dice) was one of the first demos Rod presented for Thriller, but Quincy felt it wasn't strong enough

suga10 said:

[img:$uid]http://ipowerrichmond.com/files/2010/06/TheFuture.jpg[/img:$uid]

Did u do that cover? If so, I say you submit that shit to Sony!

ViintageJunkiie said:

suga10 said:

[img:$uid]http://ipowerrichmond.com/files/2010/06/TheFuture.jpg[/img:$uid]

Did u do that cover? If so, I say you submit that shit to Sony!

No

I found that from another website.

I thought it was sorta cool.

I wonder if that is the cover though, maybe it got leaked

[Edited 9/5/10 21:11pm]

suga10 said:

angel345 said:

I've been hearing about these rumors, since he died. If he's alive, then it would be the biggest practical joke of the century.

I would not be surprised if he was alive, considering Michael was probably trying to get out of this 50 concert series in London. He might have had no way out excepting resorting to these measures.

I mean come on, dude just dies right after the last day of rehearsal- its ridiculous. He could have just about died any other day during the rehearsal schedule, while Murray was around.

Murray is not even arrested at all right now. We're talking about the same doctor that is living in the same neighborhood right now in Las Vegas as Elvis's doctor, Dr. Nick Is this really a coincidence folks???

Oh yeah, and Michael lived right across Elvis's first home which is on Carolwood Drive.

[Edited 9/5/10 17:17pm]

interesting

Ok, well first off the FBI files you link to about fake deaths is about how they are prosecuting people who are conducting fraud over life insurance claims. So this doesn't prove they helped MJ. In fact, it would suggest the contrary. That if Michael was alive, the FBI would be looking to prosecute him over fraud.

As for the Murray case, there is no media on it at present as there are no new developments. Wait til January and you'll have the media frenzy you desire.

As for Oxam (a man who has constantly misrepresented his association with Michael). The report you linked shows that the FBI were investigating Michael as a result of the child abuse allegations. This wouldn't be unusual if local police felt there were children of interest in different states that needed to be interviewed. And as stated by the report, its not uncommon for the FBI to have files on celebrities.

Now, I have answered your questions, but you still avoid the simple ones I asked you a few posts back.

Would like for you to answer them now.

Swa said:

Suga.

Look if you want to believe whatever you want no one is stopping you. But don't be bringing it into the forum and not expect those who disagree with you not to point out where you are factually incorrect.

You say not to trust the media, yet this is all you are basing things on - hearsay and doublespeak and misquotes in media twisted to try to prove something that isn't factually correct.

So I assume from reading your latest post you believe Michael is alive - and that he faked his own death.

You must believe then that Michael willingly inflicted pain on thousands of people worldwide.

Willingly committed unspeakable pain on his family and more importantly on his beloved children.

Committed fraud and profit from the hoax.

So if you believe all this - then perhaps you can answer me this... why now? Why would Michael fake his death now of all times?

Why not do it back in the midst of all the pain of 93?

Why not do it post the fallout of 2005?

If Michael was trying to escape anything - why not do it in this period?

Why would he wait to do it when he had everything to gain from a successful tour? When he had the chance to reclaim in the world's eyes the title of King of Pop and for the first time in over a decade get the world's focus off the bs of the tabloids and back on his amazing talent?

Why now?

Oh and if he did fake his death, and is alive and well (as you seem to claim) then how could have been murdered by AEG and Sony and the boggieman? Oh - and when is Michael going to make his comeback? Would love to know the date.

You know, like millions of other fans, we would want Michael here with us to enjoy his art and music again. But sadly that isn't going to happen.

He died tragically, and unexpectedly, and senselessly. There is no greater meaning.

Of course, if you prefer to just talk about the music and stop posting ridiculous claims, then I would also love to hear your thoughts on the Invincible album. Feel free to comment on my review of the album a page back.

Swa said:

Kicking the album off with Unbreakable, the groove stutters and struts along with sounds and structures that matched the current crop of hit makers. Michael’s voice is in fine form, especially in the falsetto lead in to the chorus. Here also for the first time was an exploration of digital cutting of effects on the vocals in smatterings here and there. Though at 6 minutes, the song seems to go along the same trajectory and doesn’t really offer anything new for the listener. Lyrically it feels as though Michael was trying overly hard to prove his worth – something he no longer needed to do.

I don't know about that. He was still getting some pretty low blows back at that time. I mean...obviously if you are a fan and you're going to buy his album you know that he was already worth a lot, but the aftermath of 1993 wasn't so good for him image and the damage had been done, well considering that 2003-2005 made it 200x worse though. I do agree with the italicized part though. I do like the song though. It's not on my must listen to songs, but I will listen to it.

Swa said:

Heartbreaker at least offered a bit of excitement. The manipulation of the beat has a sense of energy to it that is infectious. If you just listen to the beat, there are little surprises laid all through it, one moment MJ is beat boxing, the next snare drums are being sliced and diced, the next filters are being used to twist and turn it. Maybe a bit of a nod to the grooves Jam and Lewis would lay out for Janet, Heartbreaker really comes into it’s own with the choruses and sublime bridge where Michael’s backing vocals float and weave with ease. Hard hitting, jiggered and abrupt, this was one of the highpoints for the album in terms of the dance-oriented tracks.

Every time I hear this I am, immediately, taken back to Ginuwine's Pony and the sound effects that Timbaland used to use for his own productions. When I found out that Michael had reached out to the man and was turned down it made that much more sense to me. The first three are really super similar even if they are covering different subgenres of r&b, I heard once, but I could have done without one of them and this would be the one that could have been omitted. If it had no love would have been lost.

Swa said:

Sadly Invincible comes off sounding like more of the same, and almost a brother track to Unbreakable, though with more melodic hooks. Maybe it’s the overly electronic instrumentation on the track, or the sparseness in the arrangement but it ends up being a dance song by the numbers and perhaps suffers from playing too much to the current pop playbook than pushing new territory.

As I said earlier, I prefer this one over Heartbreaker any day of the week. It kinda annoys me that I can never figure out which one is coming on though. They both sound so similar I don't know why he let both of them go through, especially, one right after the other. Sometimes I listen to both of them trying to find the answer, but I don't think I'll truly it.

Swa said:

Whilst the album would be criticised for having too many slo-jams on it (especially in the way it was sequenced) it’s often these songs that provide the high points on Invincible. Break of Dawn is a prime example of this. With Michael in more of a laid back mood the song floats out of the speakers and easily seduces the listener. A perfect balance of lead and backing vocals, there’s a depth here to Michael’s vocals that were lacking in the lead up tracks. The musical arrangement also feels more organic and natural. It just goes to show that when Michael wants to get his groove on and drift more into a soul territory few can come close.

I dislike this song a lot also, but it's the lyrics. They bother me. I don't know why. In some way I can't get it out of my head that this is some weird love song to Lisa Marie Presley and then it makes me sick to my stomach. When I close my eyes all I see him holding hands with Elvis in drag. I have gotten used to it now, but I still get a slight chill up my spine every so often. The one thing I have to say about the lyrics though is that even though Michael is talking about breaking some girl off into the break of down he's still like "We're gonna go to the park, holding hands, and the stars are shining in the sky..." I was like "Daww..."

Swa said:

Heaven Can Wait is classic r’n’b and Michael delivers like only MJ can. Lush production doesn’t swamp the song but allows Michael’s vocals to come to the fore and be carried by the track. Immediately catchy, the chorus now holds a bittersweet lyric that in today’s world features greater tragedy. One of the stand out tracks it’s no wonder Teddy Riley has plans of re-recording the track for Backstreet.

This was an awesome track and I felt that he tore it up. But yeah this song has become quite ironic now. (So is the album title, but yeah...)

Swa said:

With it’s one moment comical the next annoying intro with Chris Tucker, You Rock My World see’s Michael hit with a modern MJ classic. Annoyed that Michael fell into the “darkchild” callout at the start of the song, this soon passes as the song’s groove and melody kick in. Sadly what could have been even more blissful arrangement with the use of real strings (and a nice nod back to Don’t Stop) the song relies a little too heavily on synths as its base. But there is no denying that out of all the dance tracks on here, this is the one that has you wanting to the get up the most. Although it doesn’t really offer anything new to his catalogue of hits, it does have a sense of joy in the vocals that are hard to resist.

This remains one of my most favorite tracks on the album. I saw someone do an acapella and sang out all of the parts of the song and it made me appreciate it more.

Swa said:

Taking on Neo-Soul with Butterflies, Michael makes this song soar. With a groove that strolls, the musical arrangement feels more authentic, with horns and percussion punctuating the chorus. Michael’s vocals are amongst some of his best work, especially in the second verse when he goes into the falsetto that has been missing from a lot of his work. Rich and luscious backing vocals keep the choruses warm and just surround the listener. When you compare Michael’s final version with the Floetry demo you see how Michael matches note for note the little runs and adlibs to perfection yet still puts his own little stamp on it.

Normally, I can't stand Neo-Soul save for a few songs, but this song makes me realize MJ's ability to take something that I usually wouldn't like and make it tolerable. Also, his vocals are really amazing on it. I will never forget when they played this song nonstop on the radio, all day everyday. Even though they did, I'm still not annoyed with the song as I am with You Are Not Alone. I will, literally, run out of any vicinity that song is being played in. This one though? Not at all.

Swa said:

Sadly post Butterflies is where the album loses its focus and direction.

Couldn't that have been said for his albums from Thriller - Dangerous?

Swa said:

Speechless, with its pure a Capella intro is captivating to begin with then falls into an overblown Disney-esque arrangement that seems to rob the song of the very heart it longs to convey. If it had kept just to a short a Capella song it would have been more captivating – take the first 30 seconds and last 30 seconds, and you have something truly special.

lol Really? I really disliked the first and last 30 seconds, at first, and prefer the middle part. I remember skipping this song constantly, because I couldn't stand how it started. I like the Disney-esque sound of the song. I know that's not really popular with everyone, but I'm kind of sucker for it.

Swa said:

2,000 Watts ends up sounding like a generic cast off from Dangerous era recordings and too gimmicky to be taken seriously with lines such as “you may now apply your 3D glasses”. The mis-step here though is that this song replaced Shout – which was at least more inventive.

I like 2,000 Watts also. I do wish that the lyrics were more like Daft Punk's Technologic, but I really like the sound of the music itself. I can't remember what I felt about Shout. If I was out I would rather jam to 2,000 Watts rather than Shout that's for sure.

Swa said:

You Are My Life is ironically lifeless. With the classic hallmarks of a Babyface song it feels like it is 5 years late in it’s delivery and ends up sounding dated and redundant.

I wasn't too big of a fan of this song in the beginning, but I do like how he gets into the song into the end. I guess I really like his vocals on it. I prefer it that other travesty...

Swa said:

Continuing the media victim theme, Jackson presents Privacy and although edgier than songs such as Tabloid Junkie again it feels like Michael is treading old ground here.

He is treading old ground, but as someone said before the vocals sound grittier and angrier. Though, I'm not gonna' lie. When it comes on I turn it. Every time I try to listen to it...I can't.

Swa said:

Don’t Walk Away was one of the slow growers of the album. Reminiscent of a Janet ballad (Someday is Tonight springs to mind) Michael shows that he can still sing the heart of out a ballad and give it depth.

Imo, this song doesn't even exist to me.

Swa said:

One of the increasing problems with Michael’s albums was there was a sense that he was trying to repeat previous success, and Cry is this album’s attempt to reimagine Man In The Mirror. Sadly it doesn’t come close and whilst not a bad song at all, it does make you think too much of MITM and therefore suffers in the comparison.

This is another song that doesn't exist to me. I remember hearing it and wondering why do I abhor this song so much, then I found out who wrote it...

Swa said:

With his heart on his sleeve, and maybe still trying to sway public opinion, The Lost Children feels even more out of place here than some of the other mis-steps. Again it feels like Michael we have already heard in Heal The World and suffers from the same sappy production.

Ok, I effin' love this song. Before, this song was worse than Cry to me, but then as I listened to it more I realized how much I just loved it. Save for the annoying kids at the end of the song, it really just gets to me. Then again, I love Heal The World too.

Swa said:

Thankfully when you are feeling less and less enthused with the album, Whatever Happens comes on. With a duet between vocals and Santana guitar, it is one of the freshest tracks on the album. Sure its in blueprint of “get a great guitarist on the track”, but instead of trying to repeat Beat It, Michael explores new territory with this Latin fused track and comes out the winner.

I like this song, but...I'm not crazy about it. I could be still suffering trauma from that Smooth song that came out in the late 90s though. This one is not annoying like that track. Don't get me wrong though, it's a really good song. I usually recommend it to many as it does show a much different side to MJ, musically.

Swa said:

Sadly, the freshness of Whatever Happens doesn’t carry across into Threatened – Michael’s latest take on a Thriller style song. Although not the wisest choice lyrically as Michael paints himself as a threatening beast who preys on sleeping victims, the groove of Threatened is what makes it captivating, and since getting a live airing in This Is It, the song has become more appealing, but part of me wishes the groove had different lyrics, but as it is it feels like Michael is treating old ground.

This is my favorite track on the album. As you said, the groove in it is so awesome. When I heard it on This Is It, it just made me so disappointed to realize that I will never hear this song live. Yet, I know that Michael loved doing scary/horror songs and, lyrically, I totally prefer it to Ghosts.

Swa said:

As his last studio album, Invincible ends up suffering from the weight of it’s own ambition. Overly long, this mixed bag of tricks really fails to continue with the momentum that the first half of the album was building. If it was trimmed down to 9 or 10 songs, then I think the feeling the album leaves you with would be different, and maybe would have been the “come back” album many critics claimed it wasn’t. Sadly this is the last studio album Michael left us, and you can’t help but think if he knew that, this wouldn’t be the note he would have wanted to leave on.

I had no real problem with the album. I mean, he did release it so he had to have some kind faith in it. Also, I remember this album getting pretty good reviews until the whole thing with Sony happened, but critics are kind of full of it anyway, because they've been crapping on his albums since post-Thriller really tbqh. It's one of the few r&b works I liked from the decade and this was a time I fully abandoned American music altogether, because I couldn't stand the material coming out anymore.

Swa said:

Ok, well first off the FBI files you link to about fake deaths is about how they are prosecuting people who are conducting fraud over life insurance claims. So this doesn't prove they helped MJ. In fact, it would suggest the contrary. That if Michael was alive, the FBI would be looking to prosecute him over fraud.

As for the Murray case, there is no media on it at present as there are no new developments. Wait til January and you'll have the media frenzy you desire.

As for Oxam (a man who has constantly misrepresented his association with Michael). The report you linked shows that the FBI were investigating Michael as a result of the child abuse allegations. This wouldn't be unusual if local police felt there were children of interest in different states that needed to be interviewed. And as stated by the report, its not uncommon for the FBI to have files on celebrities.

Now, I have answered your questions, but you still avoid the simple ones I asked you a few posts back.

Would like for you to answer them now.

Swa said:

Suga.

Look if you want to believe whatever you want no one is stopping you. But don't be bringing it into the forum and not expect those who disagree with you not to point out where you are factually incorrect.

You say not to trust the media, yet this is all you are basing things on - hearsay and doublespeak and misquotes in media twisted to try to prove something that isn't factually correct.

So I assume from reading your latest post you believe Michael is alive - and that he faked his own death.

You must believe then that Michael willingly inflicted pain on thousands of people worldwide.

Willingly committed unspeakable pain on his family and more importantly on his beloved children.

Committed fraud and profit from the hoax.

So if you believe all this - then perhaps you can answer me this... why now? Why would Michael fake his death now of all times?

Why not do it back in the midst of all the pain of 93?

Why not do it post the fallout of 2005?

If Michael was trying to escape anything - why not do it in this period?

Why would he wait to do it when he had everything to gain from a successful tour? When he had the chance to reclaim in the world's eyes the title of King of Pop and for the first time in over a decade get the world's focus off the bs of the tabloids and back on his amazing talent?

Why now?

Oh and if he did fake his death, and is alive and well (as you seem to claim) then how could have been murdered by AEG and Sony and the boggieman? Oh - and when is Michael going to make his comeback? Would love to know the date.

You know, like millions of other fans, we would want Michael here with us to enjoy his art and music again. But sadly that isn't going to happen.

He died tragically, and unexpectedly, and senselessly. There is no greater meaning.

Why?

Well you how much Michael ranted about Sony and their actions towards him.

Anyways, I don't really want to talk anymore about this over here because I think people are getting pissed at me for talking about the hoax theories. If you want talk through PM, you're more than welcome too.

[Edited 9/5/10 23:13pm]

[Edited 9/6/10 16:03pm]

I have yet to listen to the entire album, unfortunately. I listen to what i'm caught by and most of that album just doesn't get me. Threatened however is funky as hell, i love the lyrics, I love the intro, I think it's one of his very best. of course the snippet in This is It was what turned me on to it. That is one funky bassline. The kind that Prince can't come up with anymore.

suga10 said:

This information is from the website below:

http://hubpages.com/hub/mijacnewalbum

Michael Jackson`s New Album Details

Michael Jackson`s New Album Details with Track List: First Exclusive Inside Info

The new album of late legendary King Of Pop will have a likely release on November , but this is possible only if the promotional work for the album begins from the middle of next month .

But there are also reports that Sony Music is planning to release a couple of singles in November and the album will be released only during the Christmas week.

The deadline set by Sony Music to Jackson’s estate for the submission of the material is on the second week of September.

The album will likely feature the following tracks

Another Day (Michael Jackson and Lenny Kravitz )

Bassouille (Michael Jackson and Lenny Kravitz)

Belong 2 ( Jackson and Riley)

Buffalo Hill (Jackson )

Face (Jackson)

Fear (Jackson)

Get Around (Jackson )

Hold My Hand (Claudia Kelly and Akon )

The Future (Jackson and will.i.am)

Rolling The Dice (Temperton )

Seven Digits (Jackson and Loren )

This Is Our Time (Jackson )

I repeat these are the possible tracks and the strongest contenders for the album .

In addition to this ,there are four untitled tracks written and composed by R Kelly, which are likely to be considered for the final list of the tracks.

Teddy Riley , R Kelly, and Rodney Jerkins, have all confirmed that they are working for Jackson’s new album.

The album will be produced by John McClain and John Branca.

The album will be released world wide by Sony Music .

[Edited 9/5/10 20:05pm]

Fake.

babybugz said:

I think invincible has some underrated songs on there it's not a fave album of mines but I think it's a little unfair to compare that album to his old material since it was a different time.

Yeah by itself Invincible holds up very fine.

"Butterflies" didn't bring the tempo of the album down, to me that was when "Speechless" came on. But I've grown to accept that song.

Whatever Happens and Don't Walk Away are the best tracks from Invincible