Swa said:

bboy87 said:

yeah and no It was slight progression

The typical setlist for the Triumph Tour

Can You Feel It film intro

Can You Feel It

Things I Do For You

Off The Wall

Ben

Heartbreak Hotel

She's Out Of My Life

Movie skit

I Want You Back
ABC

The Love You Save

I'll Be There

Rock With You

Lovely One

Working Day And Night

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Shake Your Body Down To The Ground

Victory Tour

Kremlin intro

Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'

Things I Do For You

Off The Wall

Ben/Human Nature

Heartbreak Hotel

She's Out Of My Life

Let's Get Serious

You Like Me Don't You (or Dynamite)

Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'

I Want You Back

The Love You Save

I'll Be There

Rock With You

Lovely One

Workin' Day And Night

Beat It

Billie Jean

Shake Your Body Down To The Ground

One of the downsides of Michael's success, is that I feel he was trapped inside the hits formula when it came to live performance. When you look at the evolution of sets from Triumph through to This Is It, there are set formula's he stuck to.

I guess when it ain't broke don't fix it, but as a fan across several tours, there were a few moments of delight when an unexpected "non-single" song was played - eg D.S. or Come Together in the HiStory shows.

and it's even more alarming that he had hits with other songs like remember the time but chose 2 not perform songs like this in concert. the whole concept of being trapped in a set of just hits and not hardcore fan style ..hmmmm sounds like someone else currently:)

dag said:

MyLuv229 said:

Saying Blanket is the clone of Michael Jackson is like saying Lisa Marie Presley is the clone of Elvis Presley. That just made me laugh out loud for some reason.

So you think that Lisa doesn´t resemble Elvis? I think she does. Sometimes, she is just a spitting image of her dad.

When I see Lisa Marie Presley, I immediately think of Elvis in drag. That's what she looks like to me.

Vanilli said:

Usher:

"I've been doing this 18 years now and my icon is well on its way. Michael was doing it for 50 years and that's something I'd like to grow towards. At the same time, I am one of a kind, a worldwide pop icon," he said.

http://movies.ndtv.com/mo...737&cp

This fool has sure got his ego in check.

Well,uh.........uh...okay then!

Unholyalliance said:

dag said:

So you think that Lisa doesn´t resemble Elvis? I think she does. Sometimes, she is just a spitting image of her dad.

When I see Lisa Marie Presley, I immediately think of Elvis in drag. That's what she looks like to me.

I know what you mean!

sag10 said:

MOL said:

Because Klein did not kill Michael and had no involvement whatsoever in his death.

Klein's name isn't mentioned and rightfully so. The investigation should focus on Michael's death and waht led to it. So, why put Klein in the equation?

Unless you actually believe Michael died due to taking too many prescription drugs from too many doctors. That way, Klein can be mentioned. Still, every piece of evidence contradicts this. In fact, investigators, responsible for this case, have refused such theory.

Mr. Knowitall.... Maybe he didn't have anything to do with the death of Michael but he was giving Michael intramuscular injections like they were candy.. Reported to be Demerol.

So what?

What relevancy does that have in the case?

No, Swa. Latoya, Randy and Joe claimed Prince had been called upstairs to "watch his father die". The Chef, who was in the house, claimed that Prince was NOT called to see anything and that he stayed downstairs. In who do you believe more?

Let's start making sense, Swa: it's clear this whole "Prince watched his father dying" is nothing more than an excuse to ask for money due to "emotional distress" supposedly caused to Michael's oldest son. The family, as most people predicted, is using the kids to have an argument against AEG. As was confirmed by the chef, Prince did NOT see anything. Yet, the family has tried to convey the image that the child saw his father dying. And, now, we know why!

Second thing: AEG did not hire Conrad Murray. So why would they provid equipment to someone with whom they had no connection? The family is just desperate to sue AEG and get a payday.

Murray must be laughing his ass off. The family have been his biggest supporters.

mj's doctors were all investigated and none of them have been charged with overprescribing drugs for mj.

klein is clearly unstable or something, but the facts on the table are that mj's autopsy did not show evidence of a plethora of drugs prescribed by anyone other than murray. murray keeps pointing the finger at these other doctors, but there is no evidence that what these other doctors gave him, if anything, were the cause of his death. if i am prescribed cortizone by one doctor, but i go to another doctor to further treat my ailment and he injects me with an overdose of a drug that kills me, how does anyone point the finger at the first doctor?

as posters on another board have pointed out, katherine jackson has made contradictory statements now which will come back to haunt her if she ever takes the stand. she is on tape saying that she never saw her son under the influence of drugs and she never believed any allegations about him being an addict.

re: prince, i've said it before and i'll say it again, i feel so sorry for these kids. i hope for prince's sake that he did witness his father's death. why? b/c if he didn't, this "family" is putting him in an awful, awful, awful position. he'll be called upon to lie under oath. how ironic, given the problem his father had with young chandler and arviso.

kibbles said:

mj's doctors were all investigated and none of them have been charged with overprescribing drugs for mj.

klein is clearly unstable or something, but the facts on the table are that mj's autopsy did not show evidence of a plethora of drugs prescribed by anyone other than murray. murray keeps pointing the finger at these other doctors, but there is no evidence that what these other doctors gave him, if anything, were the cause of his death. if i am prescribed cortizone by one doctor, but i go to another doctor to further treat my ailment and he injects me with an overdose of a drug that kills me, how does anyone point the finger at the first doctor?

as posters on another board have pointed out, katherine jackson has made contradictory statements now which will come back to haunt her if she ever takes the stand. she is on tape saying that she never saw her son under the influence of drugs and she never believed any allegations about him being an addict.

re: prince, i've said it before and i'll say it again, i feel so sorry for these kids. i hope for prince's sake that he did witness his father's death. why? b/c if he didn't, this "family" is putting him in an awful, awful, awful position. he'll be called upon to lie under oath. how ironic, given the problem his father had with young chandler and arviso.

Exactly.

Yes, Katherine made contradictory claims...but we all know who is really behind this. The Jacksons have contradicted themselves more times than Janet Arvizo ever could. It's clear they are throwing crap at all costs and expenses to see if something sticks.

Just one more thing: the Chef has already confirmed that Prince did NOT watch his father dying. The family is using him just like they did with Paris by putting words in her mouth.

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bboy87 said:

greatpink said:

How much does she want for emotional distress? Or is it all about justice, finally?

And: who is going to pay legal fees?

if it's true that Michael Jr. saw his father dead, that could be a clue....

I am sure that the boy was emotionally distressed in any case - whether he saw his father dead or otherwise. All MJ's kids were.

But is Mrs. Jackson sure that making him a part of this lawsuit (and eventually dragging him in the witness stand) will help him to overcome his distress? A profound therapeutic effect of the cross-examination?

And a fat check from AEG will make it for all? (Does he need money???)

Now, I am sorry guys, I know that the most of you have deeeeep respect for Madam Jackson, but this woman shouldn't be MJ's kids' guardian.

Just shouldn't.

ali23 said:

A Conversation With David Nordahl: A Look At Michael As Artist, Subject, Intellectual, Daddy, Friend-And Survivor

Raven, 9/11/2010

The above may seem like a long subtitle. But what I learned from my time with David Nordahl is that his 20-year friendship with Michael Jackson encompassed all of the above.

He was in a unique position to get to know Michael on several levels, as a subject of his own paintings, as an artist in his own right (though David explained why he did not believe Michael could have ever really made a go of it as an artist), and as a business partner and creative co-designer (including many of the rides at Neverland and future plans for Neverland).

But he also got to spend a lot of quality personal time with Michael and his children. He was there during Michael's first marriage to Lisa Marie, and witnessed the nature of their relationship first-hand. After twenty years, he probably knew Michael as well as anyone.

Check it out.

http://allforloveblog.com/?p=3826

Has anyone noticed the comment to this sketch that Mike did?

It says he did it when he was only 9 yearsl old? wow

Have it on auto-replay since a week

"Let Michael Jackson stir your senses,like never before"

"Too dangerous to be sold in stores"

dag said:

ali23 said:

A Conversation With David Nordahl: A Look At Michael As Artist, Subject, Intellectual, Daddy, Friend-And Survivor

Raven, 9/11/2010

The above may seem like a long subtitle. But what I learned from my time with David Nordahl is that his 20-year friendship with Michael Jackson encompassed all of the above.

He was in a unique position to get to know Michael on several levels, as a subject of his own paintings, as an artist in his own right (though David explained why he did not believe Michael could have ever really made a go of it as an artist), and as a business partner and creative co-designer (including many of the rides at Neverland and future plans for Neverland).

But he also got to spend a lot of quality personal time with Michael and his children. He was there during Michael's first marriage to Lisa Marie, and witnessed the nature of their relationship first-hand. After twenty years, he probably knew Michael as well as anyone.

Check it out.

http://allforloveblog.com/?p=3826

Has anyone noticed the comment to this sketch that Mike did?

It says he did it when he was only 9 yearsl old? wow

Whoa. REALLY?! Damn. This shows you how far his imagination was at that age. Wow.

Thanks to Timmy84, bboy and Dag for always bringing it back to what is relevant.

ali23 said:

Vanilli said:

Usher:

"I've been doing this 18 years now and my icon is well on its way. Michael was doing it for 50 years and that's something I'd like to grow towards. At the same time, I am one of a kind, a worldwide pop icon," he said.

http://movies.ndtv.com/mo...737&cp

This fool has sure got his ego in check.

Well,uh.........uh...okay then!

so Michael wasn't one of a kind,and a worldwide pop icon?

you keep telling yourself that Usher.

sag10 said:

Thanks to Timmy84, bboy and Dag for always bringing it back to what is relevant.

No problem.

sag10 said:

Thanks to Timmy84, bboy and Dag for always bringing it back to what is relevant.

It's too early, yet

Not enough time passed.

There are still too many apocrypha out in circulations - among the mean folks. There are even some who still believe that MJ was a child molester.

But don't you give up. Remain firm. Shut down every discussion that doesn't fit in the canon. Mob every user – even fans - who allows himself even slightest blasphemy (like you did it with Reel and a couple of others).

You'll see: in a couple of years we will all witness The Birth Of Venus

Katherine: MJ Feared People 'Wanted Him Dead'

9/17/2010 12:25 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

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Katherine Jackson says her son, Michael Jackson, told her "several times" that he felt like people "wanted him dead" ... and she believes his paranoia was a product of the molestation allegations. In an interview for Michael Jackson Secret Vault, Katherine said, "One of the reasons I think that [Michael] knew people didn't want him around any longer" was due to the "vicious rumors about him molesting children." Katherine goes on to say that "mean, evil, vicious people didn't want him around for some reason" ... then adamantly states she believes those people were "greedy."

http://www.tmz.com/videos?autoplay=true&mediaKey=90b4a077-c323-467f-a117-782f728cca80

[Edited 9/17/10 20:01pm]

[Edited 9/17/10 20:02pm]

Now we have a confirmation on the Vision DVD set, I hope they use the original film prints. They used the original print of Thriller for the retrospective clip in Moonwalker and that looks awesome

Let's see....Michael's complete videography

1977

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Dreamer

Even Though You're Gone

Goin' Places

1978

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Blame It On The Boogie

1979

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Shake Your Body Down To The Ground

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Rock With You

1980

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She's Out Of My Life

Off The Wall (the live clip from the 1979 US leg of the Destiny Tour)

1981

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The Triumph

1983

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Billie Jean

Beat It

Say Say Say

Thriller

1984

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Billie Jean '84

1985

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We Are The World

1986

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Captain EO

1987

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Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

1988

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Man In The Mirror

Dirty Diana

Another Part Of Me

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Speed Demon

Come Together

1989

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Liberian Girl

2300 Jackson Street

1991

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Black Or White

1992

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Remember The Time

In The Closet

Who Is It

Jam

Heal The World

1993

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Give In To Me

Will You Be There

Who Is It (US version)

Gone Too Soon

Gone Too Soon (Alternate Version)

Whatzupwithu

1995

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Scream

You Are Not Alone

Childhood

Earth Song

1996

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Stranger In Moscow

Why

They Don't Care About Us (Prison Version)

They Don't Care About Us (Brazil Version)

Ghosts

1997

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HIStory

Blood On The Dancefloor

2001

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You Rock My World

Cry

What More Can I Give

2003

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One More Chance

2009

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This Is It

http://www.amazon.com/Mic...dpt_sa_bio

Anyone going to preorder MJ's new album? It's so weird...I was thinking..."Oh man. I can't wait to buy it." But then I thought to myself, oh man when was the last time I went to the store to buy a new release? Will there be a huge line to get it? Many of the places where you would go buy music are closed down now save for huge chain bookstores, Walmart, Target, K-mart, Best Buy, and etc. In the end, unless it sells like Thriller, they're going to still call it a flop and that everyone forgot about him.

I bet you that, even in death, he will never be able to escape that album. Never. It's both a blessing and curse.

Never Can Say Goodbye

Unholyalliance said:

http://www.amazon.com/Mic...dpt_sa_bio

Anyone going to preorder MJ's new album? It's so weird...I was thinking..."Oh man. I can't wait to buy it." But then I thought to myself, oh man when was the last time I went to the store to buy a new release? Will there be a huge line to get it? Many of the places where you would go buy music are closed down now save for huge chain bookstores, Walmart, Target, K-mart, Best Buy, and etc. In the end, unless it sells like Thriller, they're going to still call it a flop and that everyone forgot about him.

I bet you that, even in death, he will never be able to escape that album. Never. It's both a blessing and curse.

I don't care what the critics say, I'll get it regardless.

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Tonight they are gonna air HIStory tour live in TUNIS here:

http://www.nessma.tv/

Could anyone save it?

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You can also watch the concert here NOW!

http://www.justin.tv/vt004#/w/398017472/2

dag said:

You can also watch the concert here NOW!

http://www.justin.tv/vt004#/w/398017472/2

I love watching this concert live on the Internet. It takes me back to being

a kid..being memorized watching the HIStory tour. Honestly, it's more fun

enjoying it knowing my org friends are watching it too.

BTW...dag do you have Facebook? Orgnote me if you do.

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dag said:

Claire73 said:

Michael Jackson's Opus is now officially sold out.

http://www.krakenopus.com/family/michaeljackson/

And we never got the special features.

Finally sold out, hunh? And how many copies did they sell that were cheaper editions of the original "limited" series? I wonder if mine is actually worth that much. As much as I love the pictures the book is so huge I have no place to put it except the box it came in.

And what about the MJ interactive library?! They sent code numbers to people instead of cards; since then I haven't heard a word from Krakenopus! Did that go the way of the Prince' opus?

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I love this one.