Dr. Murray Targets Arnie Klein in MJ Death

Reply #661 posted 09/15/10 1:52pm

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xlad said:
On Sunday I was thinking about Michael and my iPod, which was resting on my bedside cabinet came on playing "I'll be there". The weird thing is the song was being played through a radio station on an iPod that needs a pin code to turn it on! Half an hour ago the same thing happened, but this time the song was "you are not alone". Has anyone else had what they describe as 'signs'?

xlad - Thank you SO much for posting this topic. I hope it stays alive and we

can all discuss it a bit. First of all your signs were fascinating. It's weird that

both songs were MJ songs, but also that, both were slower/personal songs.

As for me, I've had a few "MJ Signs." I made a tribute short-film for him

(bboy helped write it too) and the night before it was filmed, I had the script

on my sofa. Anyway, this was in my house and there weren't any open windows

or anything that could have caused a rainbow, yet all of the sudden, out of the blue,

a rainbow appeared on the script. It stayed on the script the rest of the night, and when

I would take away the script, the rainbow wouldn't be on the sofa, but only when

the script was there would it show. I caught a quick picture of it.

Another MJ sign I had was during editing it, everything that would normally have

taken alooooong time to do, just process wise, was super fast. It was as if my computer

drank like 10 rockstars before I started editing it. I've never had a smoother video edit.

Anyway, both of these things made me really feel MJ's presence and feel strongly, he

was still "around" in some form. I know bboy had a MJ dream, along with some other

fans too.

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Reply #662 posted 09/15/10 1:58pm

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Taj on Twitter : “I was there when MTV was on the phone begging my uncle Michael to make an appearance cause their ratings were down.”

Michael’s nephew Taj Jackson, son of Michael’s brother Tito, discussed some memories about MTV on Twitter. While tweeting about how MTV removed Michael’s name from the lifetime award and how they begged him to make an appearance, MTV responded immediately. This is the full transcript:

It’s hard to watch the VMAs because every time I watch it, I think about 3T being there.

No one rocked the VMA’s like my uncle Michael did. I am still upset at them for not mentioning his name on the Video Vanguard awards anymore. The lifetime award, they removed his name”

“I was there when MTV was on the phone begging my uncle Michael to make an appearance cause their ratings were down. Funny how easy they forget.” “They didn’t mention his name the last 2x they gave it out. My comments were about MTV America.

I think the MTVs overseas are way better, are they?”

MTV responded immediately at the discussion that arose on Twitter between Taj and Jackson fans. Via @MTV they tweeded: “Hey MJ fans, we hear you loud & clear. I’m hearing we don’t do it every year, just when ppl deserve the recognition. Will look into it.”

There is more on this music channel and the "Artist of the Millenium" Award debacle on MJ's b'day in 2002 . See second paragraph.

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Reply #663 posted 09/15/10 2:01pm

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Vanilli said:

xlad said:
On Sunday I was thinking about Michael and my iPod, which was resting on my bedside cabinet came on playing "I'll be there". The weird thing is the song was being played through a radio station on an iPod that needs a pin code to turn it on! Half an hour ago the same thing happened, but this time the song was "you are not alone". Has anyone else had what they describe as 'signs'?

xlad - Thank you SO much for posting this topic. I hope it stays alive and we

can all discuss it a bit. First of all your signs were fascinating. It's weird that

both songs were MJ songs, but also that, both were slower/personal songs.

As for me, I've had a few "MJ Signs." I made a tribute short-film for him

(bboy helped write it too) and the night before it was filmed, I had the script

on my sofa. Anyway, this was in my house and there weren't any open windows

or anything that could have caused a rainbow, yet all of the sudden, out of the blue,

a rainbow appeared on the script. It stayed on the script the rest of the night, and when

I would take away the script, the rainbow wouldn't be on the sofa, but only when

the script was there would it show. I caught a quick picture of it.

Another MJ sign I had was during editing it, everything that would normally have

taken alooooong time to do, just process wise, was super fast. It was as if my computer

drank like 10 rockstars before I started editing it. I've never had a smoother video edit.

Anyway, both of these things made me really feel MJ's presence and feel strongly, he

was still "around" in some form. I know bboy had a MJ dream, along with some other

fans too.
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Reply #664 posted 09/15/10 2:02pm

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Bboy - post your MJ dream if you can. biggrin

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Reply #665 posted 09/15/10 2:22pm

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A Conversation With David Nordahl: A Look At Michael As Artist, Subject, Intellectual, Daddy, Friend-And Survivor

Raven, 9/11/2010

The above may seem like a long subtitle. But what I learned from my time with David Nordahl is that his 20-year friendship with Michael Jackson encompassed all of the above.

He was in a unique position to get to know Michael on several levels, as a subject of his own paintings, as an artist in his own right (though David explained why he did not believe Michael could have ever really made a go of it as an artist), and as a business partner and creative co-designer (including many of the rides at Neverland and future plans for Neverland).

But he also got to spend a lot of quality personal time with Michael and his children. He was there during Michael's first marriage to Lisa Marie, and witnessed the nature of their relationship first-hand. After twenty years, he probably knew Michael as well as anyone.

Check it out.

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Reply #666 posted 09/15/10 4:32pm

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Reply #667 posted 09/15/10 5:20pm

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Jackson's mother sues concert promoter AEG Live

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LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson's mother has sued the promoter of what were intended to be the pop star's comeback concerts for fraud and other claims related to the singer's death.

The complaint filed in Los Angeles on Wednesday accused AEG Live of failing to honor its agreement to provide the doctor charged in the singer's death with lifesaving equipment.

The suit says AEG Live is liable for the actions of Dr. Conrad Murray, who has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's death at age 50.

Katherine Jackson, who is the guardian of the singer's three children, also sued on their behalf.

AEG spokesman Michael Roth says the company has not seen the lawsuit and had no immediate comment.

Katherine Jackson filed her lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court and is seeking unspecified damages.

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Reply #668 posted 09/15/10 5:44pm

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I haven't been this excited about playing a video game since

I first saw Moonwalker and bought it.

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Reply #669 posted 09/15/10 5:56pm

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dag said:

ali23 said:

Damn,so you mean to tell me nobody thought to clone him while they had a chance?

You know when youre taking a picture of something really great,and you take "Another one just for safety"?

No one thought to try that with Mike?

Obviously not. Well, at least we´ve got Blanket.

i don't get the whole blanket clone thing. He looks like his father but not moreso than most parent and children, he resembles michael as a child and unless he has surgey he won't look much like adult michael. Poor blanket already has groupies waiting for him and probably his own fan base confused

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Reply #670 posted 09/15/10 6:03pm

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mimi07 said:

dag said:

Obviously not. Well, at least we´ve got Blanket.

i don't get the whole blanket clone thing. He looks like his father but not moreso than most parent and children, he resembles michael as a child and unless he has surgey he won't look much like adult michael. Poor blanket already has groupies waiting for him and probably his own fan base

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Blanket may not even wanna be in music... I just hope his family ain't gonna force him into it like his grandfather forced some of the younger siblings into show business (Latoya, Janet, etc.)

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Reply #671 posted 09/15/10 6:06pm

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mimi07 said:

dag said:

Obviously not. Well, at least we´ve got Blanket.

i don't get the whole blanket clone thing. He looks like his father but not moreso than most parent and children, he resembles michael as a child and unless he has surgey he won't look much like adult michael. Poor blanket already has groupies waiting for him and probably his own fan base

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^^ One could argue MJ was cloned with Marlon and Randy, lol.

Sometimes I just don't get this kind of nonsense.

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Reply #672 posted 09/15/10 6:07pm

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Swa said:

mimi07 said:

i don't get the whole blanket clone thing. He looks like his father but not moreso than most parent and children, he resembles michael as a child and unless he has surgey he won't look much like adult michael. Poor blanket already has groupies waiting for him and probably his own fan base

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^^ One could argue MJ was cloned with Marlon and Randy, lol.

Sometimes I just don't get this kind of nonsense.

There was no clone. lol I don't get why they would say that. I agree, I don't get it either.

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Reply #673 posted 09/15/10 6:11pm

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My pleasure, Vanilly. Here´s another one.

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Wow, the vitiligo on his left hand is pretty apparent. No wonder he's tucking it in his pocket. Funny how people didn't notice it at the time either.

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Reply #674 posted 09/15/10 6:12pm

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Blanket sure is a precious kid. If you ask me looks like a little mini-MJ with his hair

and Ed Hardy clothes. lol I love that video of him playing. It is too cute.

I really hope him and his brother and sister get to have a normal childhood

and teenage experience, and don't have to grow up in a fishbowl because of

the insane heartless media.

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Reply #675 posted 09/15/10 6:13pm

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Timmy84 said:

Swa said:

^^ One could argue MJ was cloned with Marlon and Randy, lol.

Sometimes I just don't get this kind of nonsense.

There was no clone. I don't get why they would say that. I agree, I don't get it either.

Saying Blanket is the clone of Michael Jackson is like saying Lisa Marie Presley is the clone of Elvis Presley. That just made me laugh out loud for some reason.

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Reply #676 posted 09/15/10 6:14pm

Timmy84	MyLuv229 said: dag said: My pleasure, Vanilly. Here´s another one. [img:$uid]http://img651.i.../img:$uid] Wow, the vitiligo on his left hand is pretty apparent. No wonder he's tucking it in his pocket. Funny how people didn't notice it at the time either. Shit, I just noticed it too!
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Reply #677 posted 09/15/10 6:25pm

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Timmy84 said:

MyLuv229 said:

Wow, the vitiligo on his left hand is pretty apparent. No wonder he's tucking it in his pocket. Funny how people didn't notice it at the time either.

Shit, I just noticed it too!

There are several pics during the Bad era where I noticed his vitiligo.. photoshoots, stage performances, etc. Guess you take notice when you know he has it.

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Reply #678 posted 09/15/10 6:32pm

Timmy84	MyLuv229 said: Timmy84 said: Shit, I just noticed it too! There are several pics during the Bad era where I noticed his vitiligo.. photoshoots, stage performances, etc. Guess you take notice when you know he has it. True.
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Reply #679 posted 09/15/10 6:54pm

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Want a 20% discount? All you have to do is moonwalk biggrin

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Reply #680 posted 09/15/10 6:58pm

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Reply #681 posted 09/15/10 7:00pm

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Conrad Murray Seeks Dismissal of Michael Jackson's Death Lawsuit

(CNS) Posted Wednesday September 15, 2010 - 6:17pm

The doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death filed court papers today asking a Los Angeles federal judge to dismiss the wrongful death lawsuit filed by the singer's father.

Joe Jackson filed the lawsuit in June against Dr. Conrad Murray, who admitted giving the entertainer the powerful sedative propofol, which was determined to have caused his death.

The complaint, filed in U.S. District Court in downtown Los Angeles, alleges that Murray gave false information to paramedics and doctors and withheld details about the "polypharmacy' of drugs the pop star had been given.

The singer's father, who is seeking $75,000 in damages, also contends Murray hindered efforts to revive Jackson in an ambulance and at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, where he was pronounced dead.

In court papers filed today, Murray's attorneys argue that Joe Jackson's suit should be dismissed because it is needlessly complex and distorts "information originally obtained in a criminal investigation.'

Murray's lawyers also contend the suit is essentially "a press release that is intended to prejudice and inflame the jury pool and the public against' the defendant.

Brian Oxman, Joe Jackson's attorney, responded that Murray's filing represents "normal wrangling between parties in a lawsuit -- it's what the courts are full of.'

The new filing further questions why Michael Jackson's longtime dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein, is not named in the wrongful death lawsuit.

"If and when there's evidence involving Klein, we will take a look at it,' Oxman said.

The new motion is expected to be discussed during an Oct. 18 hearing.

Joe Jackson's court papers allege Murray "began a course of medication treatments for Michael Jackson which was below the standard of care and ultimately resulted in Jackson's over-medication and death on June 25, 2009.'

The complaint was filed in federal court because Murray and his medical company, Acres Home Heart & Vascular Institute, also known as Acres Home, operated at the time in multiple states, including Texas, California and Nevada.

According to the suit, Murray and Acres Home contracted with entities involved in the production and management of Jackson's then-forthcoming world tour "to provide diagnosis, care, treatment, and medications' to him.

As part of the agreement, it was understood that Murray would use his registration with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration "to prescribe medications to Michael Jackson in each state where the tour might visit,' the lawsuit says.

Murray, according to the complaint, had agreed to treat Jackson throughout the world "and to transport such prescription medications through interstate commerce' utilizing his DEA registration.

Murray had been acting as Jackson's personal physician while the singer prepared for the series of 50 concerts in London. The doctor found the singer unresponsive at his rented Holmby Hills mansion.

The lawsuit alleges Murray withheld information from paramedics that may have helped them revive the unconscious 50-year-old singer, who used propofol to help him sleep.

The singer's father also alleges Murray tried to clean up or hide evidence relevant to the death.

The doctor's conduct "was an extreme departure from the standard of care' expected, the lawsuit alleges.

Police found about 20 prescriptions for drugs, including methadone, fentanyl and dilaudid, in Jackson's rented mansion, according to the lawsuit.

Murray is charged with involuntary manslaughter in state court and is awaiting trial.

Murray's criminal defense attorney, Ed Chernoff, has said that his client "took the necessary precautions' in treating the entertainer, "and then something happened that is unexplained.'

AEG, the entertainment company behind the singer's comeback tour, is not named in Joe Jackson's lawsuit, but the matriarch of the Jackson clan filed a lawsuit of her own today in a bid to hold the firm liable for her son's death because it was paying Murray to attend to the singer.

Oxman said if evidence suggests AEG was somehow liable for the singer's death, "we will take a look' at that evidence.

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Reply #683 posted 09/15/10 10:46pm

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L4OATheOriginal said:

bboy87 said:

He during the Victory Tour and some of the 1987 Bad tour shows

thank u

was the victory tour that much different from the triumph tour?

yeah and no lol It was slight progression

The typical setlist for the Triumph Tour

Can You Feel It film intro

Can You Feel It

Things I Do For You

Off The Wall

Ben

Heartbreak Hotel

She's Out Of My Life

Movie skit

I Want You Back
ABC

The Love You Save

I'll Be There

Rock With You

Lovely One

Working Day And Night

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Shake Your Body Down To The Ground

Victory Tour

Kremlin intro

Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'

Things I Do For You

Off The Wall

Ben/Human Nature

Heartbreak Hotel

She's Out Of My Life

Let's Get Serious

You Like Me Don't You (or Dynamite)

Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'

I Want You Back

The Love You Save

I'll Be There

Rock With You

Lovely One

Workin' Day And Night

Beat It

Billie Jean

Shake Your Body Down To The Ground

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I'm wondering why Klein isn't named either. He's a slimeball just like Murray imo

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Reply #685 posted 09/15/10 10:57pm

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I'm wondering why Klein isn't named either. He's a slimeball just like Murray imo

TMZ talked about Klein today

Dr. Murray Targets Arnie Klein in MJ Death

9/15/2010 2:12 PM PDT by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad Murray is going after Michael Jackson's longtime physician and friend, Dr. Arnold Klein, claiming Klein is at least partly to blame for the singer's death and should be a defendant in Joe Jackson's wrongful death lawsuit.

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In legal papers filed today and obtained by TMZ ... Dr. Murray challenges Joe Jackson's decision not to name Dr. Klein as one of the physicians allegedly responsible for his son's death.

In the new docs, Murray quotes from Joe's lawsuit, "Dr. Klein may have been medicating Michael Jackson up until or even beyond June 18, 2009, less than one week before Michael Jackson's death."

And Murray continues quoting from Joe's lawsuit that Dr. Klein "prescribed or may have over medicated Michael Jackson including to such point that AEG Live, LLC had to hire Dr. Murray in order to separate Michael Jackson from Arnold Klein."

And Murray goes on to quote Joe's lawsuit which claims "AEG Live, LLC read Michael Jackson the proverbial 'riot act' to get him to stop subjecting himself to overmedication by Dr. Arnold Klein."

So with all that, Dr. Murray concludes, "The plaintiff [Joe Jackson] does not explain why, given these allegations, Dr. Arnold Klein is not a required party to be added to accord proper relief."

In other words ... why didn't Joe sue Arnie?

As TMZ first reported, Dr. Klein shot Michael full of Demerol -- 51 injections in a 3-month span, right up until the week of his death.

Dr. Murray also points the finger at other doctors who treated Michael Jackson, citing TMZ stories revealing that 7 doctors other than Murray were fueling MJ with meds at or near the time of his death.

Murray's team also asked the court to dismiss Joe's wrongful death lawsuit -- claiming Jackson doesn't have the right to file because he's not a beneficiary of MJ's estate.

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Reply #686 posted 09/15/10 11:04pm

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bboy87 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

thank u

was the victory tour that much different from the triumph tour?

yeah and no It was slight progression

The typical setlist for the Triumph Tour

Can You Feel It film intro

Can You Feel It

Things I Do For You

Off The Wall

Ben

Heartbreak Hotel

She's Out Of My Life

Movie skit

I Want You Back
ABC

The Love You Save

I'll Be There

Rock With You

Lovely One

Working Day And Night

Don't Stop Til You Get Enough

Shake Your Body Down To The Ground

Victory Tour

Kremlin intro

Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'

Things I Do For You

Off The Wall

Ben/Human Nature

Heartbreak Hotel

She's Out Of My Life

Let's Get Serious

You Like Me Don't You (or Dynamite)

Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'

I Want You Back

The Love You Save

I'll Be There

Rock With You

Lovely One

Workin' Day And Night

Beat It

Billie Jean

Shake Your Body Down To The Ground

One of the downsides of Michael's success, is that I feel he was trapped inside the hits formula when it came to live performance. When you look at the evolution of sets from Triumph through to This Is It, there are set formula's he stuck to.

I guess when it ain't broke don't fix it, but as a fan across several tours, there were a few moments of delight when an unexpected "non-single" song was played - eg D.S. or Come Together in the HiStory shows.

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suga10 said:

bboy87 said:

I'm wondering why Klein isn't named either. He's a slimeball just like Murray imo

TMZ talked about Klein today

Dr. Murray Targets Arnie Klein in MJ Death

9/15/2010 2:12 PM PDT by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad Murray is going after Michael Jackson's longtime physician and friend, Dr. Arnold Klein, claiming Klein is at least partly to blame for the singer's death and should be a defendant in Joe Jackson's wrongful death lawsuit.

In legal papers filed today and obtained by TMZ ... Dr. Murray challenges Joe Jackson's decision not to name Dr. Klein as one of the physicians allegedly responsible for his son's death.

In the new docs, Murray quotes from Joe's lawsuit, "Dr. Klein may have been medicating Michael Jackson up until or even beyond June 18, 2009, less than one week before Michael Jackson's death."

And Murray continues quoting from Joe's lawsuit that Dr. Klein "prescribed or may have over medicated Michael Jackson including to such point that AEG Live, LLC had to hire Dr. Murray in order to separate Michael Jackson from Arnold Klein."

And Murray goes on to quote Joe's lawsuit which claims "AEG Live, LLC read Michael Jackson the proverbial 'riot act' to get him to stop subjecting himself to overmedication by Dr. Arnold Klein."

So with all that, Dr. Murray concludes, "The plaintiff [Joe Jackson] does not explain why, given these allegations, Dr. Arnold Klein is not a required party to be added to accord proper relief."

In other words ... why didn't Joe sue Arnie?

As TMZ first reported, Dr. Klein shot Michael full of Demerol -- 51 injections in a 3-month span, right up until the week of his death.

Dr. Murray also points the finger at other doctors who treated Michael Jackson, citing TMZ stories revealing that 7 doctors other than Murray were fueling MJ with meds at or near the time of his death.

Murray's team also asked the court to dismiss Joe's wrongful death lawsuit -- claiming Jackson doesn't have the right to file because he's not a beneficiary of MJ's estate.

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He was running to TMZ every week with a new BS story, claiming to be Michael's best friend. Something about him......

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