Timmy84 said:

MyLuv229 said:

In my opinion, I wouldn't say it's better than Off the Wall. By the way, apart from Billie Jean, Lady in my Life, PYT, and Human Nature - I'm not too crazy about Thriller. If I'm in the mood to listen to Michael, honestly, the Thriller songs are the last ones I go to. All his albums have great, distinct characters about them and some things that can be replaced with something better. That's what being an artist is about. Not releasing an album that's better than the last, but releasing one that reflects your creative, artistic vision at the time.

I'm crazy about most of them.

As for mozfonky hey that's you. Let's move on shall we? Agree to disagree? Good? Good.

Timmy84 said:

And "Liberian Girl" is FAR from weak.

You have to be on drugs and bad drugs at that to think that song is weak.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

And "Liberian Girl" is FAR from weak.

You have to be on drugs and bad drugs at that to think that song is weak.

sorry, but no artist exists who didn't put out some duds, not even the great MJ.

mozfonky said:

babybugz said:

You have to be on drugs and bad drugs at that to think that song is weak.

sorry, but no artist exists who didn't put out some duds, not even the great MJ.

Never said he didn't but that song is far from a dud my friend

seeingvoices12 said:

I call for an anarchy of the ORG.

As far as the Jermaine Tribute concert - this is just his thing right? From the clip posted it doesn't feature the brothers, or any other artists. It just seems to be a Jermaine show.

Now the cynic in me might suggest this is Jermaine trying to claim his place as the lead in all Jackson songs, and even have the height of fame he thought he deserved by vicarioulsy living it through Michael's hits. But I have to balance that with his right to do so.

Jermaine was a big part of the Jackson 5 and to me he has a right to perform those songs, as does every other member. Where it all gets icky for me is if he plays any Jackson tracks (which he had no part of) and when he is suited up in military style jackets doing Michael songs. Now I preface all this in saying it may be no different to Diana Ross performing You Are Not Alone, and if he performs a few of Michael's songs such as Smile (a la the memorial) or Man in the Mirror in tribute, then I am ok with that. It's just thinking of him doing Wanna Be Startin' Somethin', or Billie Jean, or Scream that I have to take issue with.

Be interesting to see how he puts the show together. I always thought a Jackson style reunion show with all the remaining brothers could work, and then as a tribute to Michael each could do their fave MJ song. That way it feels more like a tribute and less like a grab for quick cash and fame.

Time will tell.

mimi07 said:

Timmy84 said:

I call for an anarchy of the ORG.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I call for an anarchy of the ORG.

LOL I'm just watching from the sidelines.

Timmy84 said:

I call for an anarchy of the ORG.

seeingvoices12 said:

Timmy84 said:

I call for an anarchy of the ORG.

I love the org ,and i love both of you timmy and babybugz

!!! I love you too.

mozfonky said:

Vanilli said:

If I remember correctly, MJ went back to Neverland in 2005/2006 post trial,

because there was a Rolling Stone photo shoot done there. The pics were

on the cover of the issue that came out after he passed away. Here was

the cover of it:

He looked pretty sad and hurt in all the pictures, and the article

was very sad. At any rate, I can imagine his heart was literally

beyond broken at the end of the trial. I saw him in the court-room

back in 2005 several days in person, and to his credit, Michael would

always smile at his fans and look at them the longest between breaks.

In a lot of the photos towards the later days of Michael's trial he looked

weak, but in person, he looked and acted really strong. It's the difference

between IN person and IN photos. It makes me wonder about how Michael

TRULY looked in person in his final days, because photos don't tell the WHOLE

story...

that was one of the most impressive of photos of Michael to me. I assumed that it was taken not long before his death but I don't know. The picture tells a whole history in his face and eyes. Hope and Ruin makes me think that Michaels thinking of how and where can he go from here and just like my first thoughts on Michaels death, america is unforgiving of black genius.

Jermaine. The ultimate lazy waster. Who exactly was he performing to in that annnoying promo clip? Nobody likes him at all beyond the fact he's Michael's brother. I sympathised with him so much when Michael died and he gave that horrible announcement at the hospital, but really beyond that, what a leeching bastard he was/is.

People forget, Victory aside, he's been irrelevant to Mike and even The Jacksons since what? 1975. Cunt.

maybe he was but i liked some of his songs, he wasn't in mike's league as a star or hitmaker but how many people are. Mike's brothers, leaching bastards they are, still had talent. I don't know exactly who played or wrote what but some of the post motown singles were collaberative and you could hear that mean jam of "Shake your body" on piano by one of the brothers in an interview with them. They all had talent and i'm sure it influenced Michael just like his motown roots did. Probably Motown was his biggest influence songwriting wise. I don't want to see my man being leeched off of either but it's just how people are where we live.

mimi07 said:

mozfonky said:

that was one of the most impressive of photos of Michael to me. I assumed that it was taken not long before his death but I don't know. The picture tells a whole history in his face and eyes. Hope and Ruin makes me think that Michaels thinking of how and where can he go from here and just like my first thoughts on Michaels death, america is unforgiving of black genius.

the photo is from a shoot he did at neverland early in 2005.

either way the photo is epic, I think it will go down in history that way, the way certain Elvis photos are cultural touchstones, this one I think will live on. If I had to choose a word to describe it, it would be loneliness.

Vanilli said:

If I remember correctly, MJ went back to Neverland in 2005/2006 post trial,

because there was a Rolling Stone photo shoot done there. The pics were

on the cover of the issue that came out after he passed away. Here was

the cover of it:

I don't think he did a Rolling Stone shoot post-trial. No way would he allow anyone into his life after going through an ordeal like that. Karen Faye was at that shoot and she stopped working with him after the trial so it had to have been before. I think this picture is from the same day he took these other pics on Neverland. I wish MJJ Pictures isn't on haitus otherwise I'd post all of them from that day.

MyLuv229 said:

Vanilli said:

If I remember correctly, MJ went back to Neverland in 2005/2006 post trial,

because there was a Rolling Stone photo shoot done there. The pics were

on the cover of the issue that came out after he passed away. Here was

the cover of it:

I don't think he did a Rolling Stone shoot post-trial. No way would he allow anyone into his life after going through an ordeal like that. Karen Faye was at that shoot and she stopped working with him after the trial so it had to have been before. I think this picture is from the same day he took these other pics on Neverland. I wish MJJ Pictures isn't on haitus otherwise I'd post all of them from that day.

exactly why did faye stop working for him? Most of you guys know a lot more about that stuff than I do.

mozfonky said:

maybe he was but i liked some of his songs, he wasn't in mike's league as a star or hitmaker but how many people are. Mike's brothers, leaching bastards they are, still had talent. I don't know exactly who played or wrote what but some of the post motown singles were collaberative and you could hear that mean jam of "Shake your body" on piano by one of the brothers in an interview with them. They all had talent and i'm sure it influenced Michael just like his motown roots did. Probably Motown was his biggest influence songwriting wise. I don't want to see my man being leeched off of either but it's just how people are where we live.

Apart from Randy who on occasion annoys me, I've nothing against the other brothers, Just Jermaine, he riles me. He's been bitter all his life about Michael.

On another note...

I have to say, he looked really hot as a 50 year old

[Edited 9/11/10 17:46pm]

mozfonky said:

MyLuv229 said:

I don't think he did a Rolling Stone shoot post-trial. No way would he allow anyone into his life after going through an ordeal like that. Karen Faye was at that shoot and she stopped working with him after the trial so it had to have been before. I think this picture is from the same day he took these other pics on Neverland. I wish MJJ Pictures isn't on haitus otherwise I'd post all of them from that day.

exactly why did faye stop working for him? Most of you guys know a lot more about that stuff than I do.

She was taking photos at the TII rehearsals. She was still around in some capacity i'm sure.

mozfonky said:

exactly why did faye stop working for him? Most of you guys know a lot more about that stuff than I do.

Because he stopped working. Everyone stopped working for him including his staff, guards, etc. There was another issue with Faye organizing a fan club/website and fans paying their membership and then the site closed. Maybe other fans have more details on that. Anyway, he left the US and went to the Bahrain. Faye only worked with him when he was working (tours, shows, appearances, shoots, etc.) Although I have to say, he did start looking better after not working with her. The way Michael looked post-trial to his recent days are when he looked his best in the 2000s, in my opinion.

Marrk said:

mozfonky said:

maybe he was but i liked some of his songs, he wasn't in mike's league as a star or hitmaker but how many people are. Mike's brothers, leaching bastards they are, still had talent. I don't know exactly who played or wrote what but some of the post motown singles were collaberative and you could hear that mean jam of "Shake your body" on piano by one of the brothers in an interview with them. They all had talent and i'm sure it influenced Michael just like his motown roots did. Probably Motown was his biggest influence songwriting wise. I don't want to see my man being leeched off of either but it's just how people are where we live.

Apart from Randy who on occasion annoys me, I've nothing against the other brothers, Just Jermaine, he riles me. He's been bitter all his life about Michael.

Same here. I remember during the MSG shows - there was some press about how he was the single brother holding out for agreeing to the Jackson 5 reunion portion of the show.

Couldn't just make Michael's life easy. And now for him to perform some "tribute" and wear

a jacket that looks like he stole it from Michael's closet, while he sings a medley of "Dynamite" "Let's Get Serious" and "Billie Jean." Ick!

I remember a joke that was on the org last year, that was, Jermaine accepted

some award and took it home and scratched off Michael's name, adding his own.

Some things never change..even as the years go by. To Jermaine's credit, at least

he was this greedy/phony during Michael's life, and it wasn't a sudden change when

Michael passed.

I hate sounding so "anti Jermaine" but I take issue with him. Ever since "Word To

The Badd" -- ugh. Who does that to their own brother, no matter if it was for

the sake of fame, or anger over MJ working with a producer he wanted to work with,

how stupid. Jermaine needed to grow up then and grow up now, but no. He'd rather

be the bratty fame whore he is. Michael called it right ten years ago, when he said

that the problem with his brothers were that they would take any ounce of fame

they were given. There is no interview or anything they would turn down.

[Edited 9/11/10 17:48pm]

Marrk said:

mozfonky said:

exactly why did faye stop working for him? Most of you guys know a lot more about that stuff than I do.

She was taking photos at the TII rehearsals. She was still around in some capacity i'm sure.

No, she was re-hired in 2009 for the TII project. She hadn't seen Michael from post-trial up to the begining of 2009. They hadn't seen each during that time in between.

Marrk said:

mozfonky said:

maybe he was but i liked some of his songs, he wasn't in mike's league as a star or hitmaker but how many people are. Mike's brothers, leaching bastards they are, still had talent. I don't know exactly who played or wrote what but some of the post motown singles were collaberative and you could hear that mean jam of "Shake your body" on piano by one of the brothers in an interview with them. They all had talent and i'm sure it influenced Michael just like his motown roots did. Probably Motown was his biggest influence songwriting wise. I don't want to see my man being leeched off of either but it's just how people are where we live.

Apart from Randy who on occasion annoys me, I've nothing against the other brothers, Just Jermaine, he riles me. He's been bitter all his life about Michael.

sadly you guys, out of all the people i've studied, be it a Bruce Lee, a Malcolm X, an Ali, they all had people selling them down the river who were close to them. I'm sure they loved them, but that celebrity and money do strange things. You know, I worked on a movie set recently, I was a mere flunky, but just the fact that I worked on a real Hollywood set made people treat me differently, just sadly how shallow people are. I'm glad and hope I don't have people like that around me, in fact, i took one of my lady friends to the wrap party, she felt uncomfortable and asked to leave before it even got started, that was nice.

Marrk said:

mozfonky said:

maybe he was but i liked some of his songs, he wasn't in mike's league as a star or hitmaker but how many people are. Mike's brothers, leaching bastards they are, still had talent. I don't know exactly who played or wrote what but some of the post motown singles were collaberative and you could hear that mean jam of "Shake your body" on piano by one of the brothers in an interview with them. They all had talent and i'm sure it influenced Michael just like his motown roots did. Probably Motown was his biggest influence songwriting wise. I don't want to see my man being leeched off of either but it's just how people are where we live.

Apart from Randy who on occasion annoys me, I've nothing against the other brothers, Just Jermaine, he riles me. He's been bitter all his life about Michael.

I wasn't really privy to the whole Michael-Jermaine rivalry and don't doubt it but it was Jermaine who stood up the fastest and loudest when his bro was attacked, that counts for something. And speaking of the MSG thing, I remember Tito sing OPP during one of the songs and mike trying to shut him up, it looks like mike was the only one with his head on straight enough to be in the big leagues. The others thought talented were not disciplined or sensible enough. Say what you will about Mike, at one point he knew how to say and do all the right things, even if they were not entirely true, he knew what to do to get where he wanted and he did it.

MyLuv229 said:

mozfonky said:

exactly why did faye stop working for him? Most of you guys know a lot more about that stuff than I do.

Because he stopped working. Everyone stopped working for him including his staff, guards, etc. There was another issue with Faye organizing a fan club/website and fans paying their membership and then the site closed. Maybe other fans have more details on that. Anyway, he left the US and went to the Bahrain. Faye only worked with him when he was working (tours, shows, appearances, shoots, etc.) Although I have to say, he did start looking better after not working with her. The way Michael looked post-trial to his recent days are when he looked his best in the 2000s, in my opinion.

I knew he went to bahrain and felt that he should never come back, some reason he couldn't resist. He could have been an expatriate like many black figures before him who'd been hounded out of the country.

mozfonky said:

MyLuv229 said:

Because he stopped working. Everyone stopped working for him including his staff, guards, etc. There was another issue with Faye organizing a fan club/website and fans paying their membership and then the site closed. Maybe other fans have more details on that. Anyway, he left the US and went to the Bahrain. Faye only worked with him when he was working (tours, shows, appearances, shoots, etc.) Although I have to say, he did start looking better after not working with her. The way Michael looked post-trial to his recent days are when he looked his best in the 2000s, in my opinion.

I knew he went to bahrain and felt that he should never come back, some reason he couldn't resist. He could have been an expatriate like many black figures before him who'd been hounded out of the country.

Well, he couldn't be in hiding forever. I think he should've made Ireland his home and should travel back and forth to the US when business required it. At least he could spare himself media torment. But you have to remind yourself that he died due to what the "doctor" adminstered to him.. and that could've happened anywhere he was living

mozfonky said:

Marrk said:

Apart from Randy who on occasion annoys me, I've nothing against the other brothers, Just Jermaine, he riles me. He's been bitter all his life about Michael.

I wasn't really privy to the whole Michael-Jermaine rivalry and don't doubt it but it was Jermaine who stood up the fastest and loudest when his bro was attacked, that counts for something. And speaking of the MSG thing, I remember Tito sing OPP during one of the songs and mike trying to shut him up, it looks like mike was the only one with his head on straight enough to be in the big leagues. The others thought talented were not disciplined or sensible enough. Say what you will about Mike, at one point he knew how to say and do all the right things, even if they were not entirely true, he knew what to do to get where he wanted and he did it.

Randy was singing OPP and Mike look pissed wasn't sure if they was playing around at first but clearly he wasn't lol.